Antivaccine cult resorts to ad hominem attacks

I get a lot of email about this blog. Most of it is nice, many asking questions or recommending future topics. I do enjoy the recommendations, because it sometimes leads to some interesting areas of research.

Occasionally, I get critical emails, some civil, and some not quite as civil. And I got one of those emails, with interesting and not very creative ad hominem attacks – really could some of you do better than this?

Today’s email comes from one Marc Goertz of the Netherlands. Now I used to live in the Netherlands, and in my time there, I never once met someone as rude as this. Especially after a jenever or two.

So here we go:

Hey Monsanto vaccine asshole,

Good start. Although I’m almost certain that Monsanto has nothing to do with vaccines, and vaccines are not placed inside of the rectum, it’s always important to begin a rant with the old Monsanto/Big Pharma Shill Gambit. Nevertheless, it’s always fun to see this kind of logical fallacy. Amusing, but really, where do we go next?

look at the pictures boy

Radio interview

Anecdotes and non-peer reviewed random commentary that really has nothing to do with anything. Why is it that the antivaccine cult doesn’t understand that evidence, high quality evidence, matters? Not some photos and some people ranting on YouTube.

Biology from a top US research university, and a graduate degree in Biochemistry/Endocrinology from a major US research university. I did my post-graduate work in a multi-national pharmaceutical company???????????

And your point is?

thats the way you are brainwashed you mean….

hahahahahahahah so there you are ; thats why you can t think anymore ;;

pharmaceutical puppet!!

Oh yes. My moral and ethical backbone is so weak and tenuous that I can’t think logically and scientifically any more.

Oh wait. I know what this is. Transference. Mr. Goertz’s lack of moral fortitude, that he can be bribed for $10.00, is transferred to me. It’s sad really.

Melanie’s Marvelous Measles Is A Book For Children……great book !!!!!!!

Ah yes, the book that wants to actually cause healthy children to catch measles, a relatively dangerous and deadly disease. If we stop vaccinating children against measles, my Big Pharma and Monsanto (well, probably not Monsanto) overlords will be ecstatic, since all those hundreds of thousands of children who end up in hospitals will require all those Big Pharma drugs and Big Pharma devices to save their lives. The overlords will be rolling in the gold bars shipped to the overlord castle in the mountains.

Oh yes, one more thing. I review a lot of books on Amazon, and I’ve never seen so many negative reviews of that dangerous book. Never.

Maybe Mr. Goertz was bored. Or just needed to vent. Or maybe he’s a really good Poe. But ad hominem attacks really just show that he lacks any evidence for his ignorance, so resorting to that logical fallacy just reinforces the finding that he lacks that evidence.

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16 Replies to “Antivaccine cult resorts to ad hominem attacks”

  1. Razwell is a famous/infamous troll. There are quite a few articles about him, which I am sure give him a monster erection. I think he needs to get a job.

    http://anthonycolpo.com/the-adventures-of-chris-“razzi”-razwell-and-other-assorted-internet-psychos/

    https://www.paleohacks.com/calpo/did-you-buy-a-anthony-calpo-book-thanks-to-razwell-s-nonsense-posts-18046

    http://paleodrama.tumblr.com/post/29628247144/razwell-virus-coined-originally-by-carbsane-to

    Raptor, don’t feel obligated to preserve all his rants. One is really enough!

    1. Are you a fan of the Skeptical Raptor?

      I’m still waiting on receipt of his autographed 8X10, myself.

      Mind you, I did get the ‘Skeptical Raptor Online Discussion Decoder Ring’. Quite useful, too, I must say.

      1. He is really an interesting mental case. What is your guess? 18 to 23, Alex Jones fan, took one basic science course in high school, alcohol issues, lives with his mom?

  2. MERE INSULTS, EVEN GRATUITOUS ABUSE, IS NOT IN ANY WAY AN EXAMPLE OF THE AD HOMINEM FALLACY, ASSHOLE. WHY DON’T YOU FOCKING LEARN WHAT IT ACTUALLY MEANS, OK. DIPSHIT? YOU ARE THE ONE COMMITTING THE FALLACY HERE. The ad hominem fallacy FALACY. YOUR GROSS MISUSE OF LOGICA FALLACIES IS ADDRESSED BY THIS GUY:

    EVEN IF SOMEBODY DID AUTHENTICALLY COMMIT A LOGICAL FALLACY ( and, no, none was committed in your example) THAT DOES NOT AT ALL MEAN THAT THEIR ARGUMENT IS WRONG OR Cannot be wright . TO SUGGEST THAT IS A FALLACY ITSELF.

    YOU ARE A FUCKING DUMBASS. YOU LACK THE INTELLECTUAL CAPACITY TO REALIZE THIS. YOU ARE UNEDUCATED.

      1. (*looks at the pot of tea and plate of cookies he had set out while reading Messenger’s tome about naturopathy*)

        Well.. might have spoiled the ending for me, Jack.. but.. I can hardly let the tea and cookies go to waste, now can I?

        Shall I pour you a cup, too?

        Word to the wise, though.. I licked all of the cookies beforehand.

        Merely a preemptive and reflexive cautionary note on my part.. as I find it difficult to share my cookies.

        😉

  3. Oh Boy! They are simply despicable and dumb! I really like your blog. One of my other favourite “medical” and science writers is Ben Goldacre from badscience.net. The whole idea of all this pseudo science as applied to to so many areas is dangerous and must be countered at all times.

  4. I’d add that if Mr. Goetz thinks it’s a great book, I would also not take literary recommendations from him. I read the book. Aside from the misleading information about diseases and vaccines, it’s not a good book. The plot is flat, the dialogues boring. I think it would appeal only to believers.

      1. The reviews are priceless, so take a look. The following is copied from one of them – delete it if this is illegal:

        If you enjoyed this book…

        ByMichael J. Gogulski “nostate.com”on January 29, 2015

        Format: Paperback

        If you enjoyed this book, check out these other fine titles from the same author:

        Abby’s Absolutely Abundant Abscess
        Addie’s Adorable Adenoma
        Adelia’s Addled Alzheimer’s
        Andys Amazing AIDS
        Anne’s Incandescent Anorexia
        Annette’s Astonishing Aneurysm
        Annie’s Awesome Asthma
        Arnie’s Artful Addiction
        Barack’s Baroque Barbiturate Overdose
        Barry’s Bitchin Beri Beri
        Beatrice’s Bawdy Bronchitis
        Bella’s Beloved Bell’s Palsy
        Bennett’s Breathtaking Boil
        Bertha’s Blossoming Bulimia
        Billy’s Bodacious Botulism
        Bobby’s Bitchin Bubonic Plague
        Bobby’s Bubbling Buboes
        Bob’s Bodacious Bone Break
        Boris’s Big Blister
        Bradley’s Brilliant Bradycardia
        Candy’s Candid Candida
        Carl’s Chewy Cancer
        Carl’s Cool Cauliflower Ear
        Carol’s Calm Coma
        Carol’s Colorful Chlamydia
        Carol’s Copacetic Chlamydia
        Carrie’s Cavernous Caries
        Carrie’s Cordial Complications
        Christian’s Crazy Creutzfeldt-Jakob Syndrome
        Chuck’s Champion Chickenpox
        Clarissa’s Classy Klippel-Trénaunay Syndrome
        Cole Herb’s Heavenly Herpes
        Colin’s Copacetic Common Cold
        Connie’s Conquering Conjunctivitis
        Cyril’s Crunchy Celiac
        Danielle’s Dainty Dahlberg Borer Newcomer Syndrome
        Dan’s Dandy Dandy-Walker Malformation with Mental Retardation, Macrocephaly, Myopia, and Brachytelephalangy
        Daphne’s delicate distention
        Dave’s Darling Deformity
        Diana’s Diaphanous Diaphragm Disorder
        Dolly’s Desirable Death
        Dominic’s Domineering Dementia
        Dorothy’s Dominating Discharge
        Doug’s Daring Dengue
        Doug’s Delightful Dysentery
        Edward’s Excellent Eczema
        Ellen’s Elegant Alopecia
        Emma’s Exalted Emphysema
        Ephraim’s Ebullient Ebola
        Ferdinand’s Fabulous Fractured Femur
        Flo’s Favorite Flu
        Freddie’s Fantastic Fibromyalgia
        Fred’s Fabulous Fracture
        Freya’s Fabulous Fainting
        Freya’s Far-out Farber’s Lipogranulomatosis
        Gary’s Gallant Gangrene
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        George’s Gorgeous Gonorrhea
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        Greg’s Glorious Gout
        Hank’s Hearty Hemophilia
        Hannah’s Hysterical Hantavirus
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        Harry’s Handsome Halitosis
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        Hilary’s Heavenly Hashimoto’s Hypothyroidism
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        Hillary’s Hilarious HIV
        Homer’s Humdinger Homicidal Ideation
        Ida’s Inscrutable Idiopathy
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        Imogene’s Inimitable Immunodeficiency
        Inga’s Incredible Ingrowth
        Irene’s Incredible Ichthyoallyeinotoxism
        Iris’s Irrestiable Itch
        Isabel’s Interesting Infarction
        Jane’s Genial Genetic Anomalies
        Jayoh’s Jumpin’ Jaundice
        Johnny’s Jocular Jock Itch
        Kyle’s Copacetic Keratoacanthoma
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        Larry’s Lordly Laryngitis
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        Mal’s Mad Malaria
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        Margie’s Memorable Mononucleosis
        Marie’s Miraculous Marburg
        Melanie’s Mellifluous Malaria
        Michael’s Mighty Migraine
        Mike’s Magnificent Mumps
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        Polly’s Polychromatic Polyuria
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        Presley’s Precious Presbyopia
        Priscilla’s Precocious Preeclampsia
        Prunella’s Practically Preventable Prion
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        Randy’s Roaring Ringworm
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        Robbie’s Rad Ass Rabies
        Rocco’s Raging Rash
        Rosie’s Rotating Rosacea
        Ruth’s Radical Rubella
        Sally’s Serendipitous Sarcoidosis
        Sam’s Saintly Schizophrenia
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        Sandra’s Superb Sickle Cell
        Sandy’s Salient Sclerosis
        Sandy’s sensational syphilis
        Sarah’s Sentient Sarcoma
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        Scott’s Scrumptious Scabies
        Sir Sergio’s Serene Cirrhosis
        Spencer’s Splendid Sprain
        Stanley’s Strapping Strongyloidiasis
        Susan’s Superlative Supraumbilical Midabdominal Raphe and Facial Cavernous Hemangiomas
        Tarzan’s Transcendant Transitional Cell Carcinoma
        Terence’s Terrific Teratoma
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        Tuco’s Torrid Toxoplasmosis
        Tyrone’s Titillating Typhus
        Tyrone’s Trippindicular Trichotillomania
        Vera’s Varicolored Varicella
        Veronica’s Voluminous Vericose Veins
        Vivians Voluminous Vaginitis
        Waldo’s Whooping Warts
        Wally’s Wicked-Awesome Wart
        Wendy’s Wonderful War Wound
        Whoopie’s Whooping Whooping Cough
        Willy’s Whimsical Weight Gain
        Winnie’s Wondrous Wandering Spleen
        Xavier’s Exemplary Exencephaly
        Yolanda’s Yummy Yersenia

        (Thank you to all who have left praise in the comments. This was a team effort of several people including me that played out over several hours on a Facebook comment thread. I’ve altered my original, fanciful five-star rating to the appropriate one star.)

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      2. I must add that both the “positive” and negative reviews are excellent. Lots of pure snark! Surely better reading than the original book!

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