Gardasil safety and efficacy

Gardasil safety and efficacy – debunking the HPV vaccine myths

Recently, I read an article published in Pediatrics that described how educating either teenagers or their parents about HPV vaccinations had little effect on the overall vaccination rate for the vaccine. Essentially, the researchers found that it was a 50:50 probability that any teen would get the vaccine, regardless of their knowledge of HPV and the vaccine itself. Some of the reasons why the HPV vaccine uptake is so low is a result of several myths about Gardasil safety and efficacy.

So I thought about why that Pediatrics study found that education about HPV and Gardasil didn’t move the needle on vaccination uptake. It’s possible that the benefits of the vaccine is overwhelmed by two factors–first, that there’s a disconnect between personal activities today vs. a disease that may or may not show up 20-30 years from now; and second, that the invented concerns about the HPV quadrivalent vaccine, promulgated by the usual suspects in the antivaccination world, makes people think that there is a clear risk from the vaccine which is not balanced by preventing cancer decades from now. It’s frustrating.

What is HPV?

 

Genital human papillomavirus (HPV) is the most common sexually transmitted infection (STI) in the USA. There are more than 40 HPV sub-types that can infect the genital areas of males and females. Additionally, some HPV types can also infect the mouth and throat. HPV is generally transmitted from personal contact during vaginal, anal or oral sex.

HPV is linked to cancers in men and women, and because there are so many subtypes, research has established which HPV types are linked to certain cancers.

  • Cervicalvulvarvaginal, and anal cancers can be caused by HPV types 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58.
  • Genital warts are caused by HPV types 6 and 11. Although genital warts are generally benign (though unsightly), there is a small chance they develop into cancers.
  • Various precancerous lesions of the cervix, vulva, vagina, and anus can be caused by HPV types 6, 11, 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58
  • Oropharyngeal and penile cancers are caused by subtypes 16 and 18.

HPV is believed to cause nearly 5% of all new cancers across the world, making it almost as dangerous with regards to cancer as tobacco. According to the CDC, roughly 79 million Americans are infected with HPV–approximately 14 million Americans contract HPV every year. Most individuals don’t even know they have the infection until the onset of cancer. About 27,000 HPV-related cancers are diagnosed in the USA every year.

What is Gardasil?

 

The original HPV quadrivalent vaccine, known as Gardasil (or Silgard in Europe), can prevent infection by human papillomavirus, substantially reducing the risk of these types of cancers. An HPV bivalent vaccine, known as Cervarix, is used in some countries, but only provides protection again two of the subtypes most associated with cervical cancer.

The new version of Gardasil, recently cleared by the US Food and Drug Administration, protects teens and young adults from 9 subtypes of HPV, helping prevent more cancers.

According to the package insert, Gardasil 9 is indicated in females aged 9-26 years for the prevention of cervical, vulvar, vaginal, and anal cancer caused by HPV types 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58; genital warts caused by types 6 and 11; and various precancerous or dysplastic lesions of the cervix, vulva, vagina, and anus caused by types 6, 11, 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58. The vaccine is also indicated in males aged nine through 15 years for the prevention of anal cancer caused by types 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58; genital warts caused by types 6 and 11; and anal intraepithelial neoplasia grades 1, 2, and 3 caused by types 6, 11, 16, 18, 31, 33, 45, 52, and 58.

Currently in the United States, the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) recommends that preteen girls and boys aged 11 or 12 are vaccinated against HPV. The immunization is also recommended for teenage girls and young women up to the age of 26 who did not receive it when they were younger, and teenage boys and young men up to the age of 21.

A few weeks ago, I posted an article about how to actually prevent cancers. There are no magical panaceas that prevent any of the 250 or so cancers. There’s no magical supplement or pill. There are just a few ways to prevent cancers–stop smoking, stay out of the sun, lose weight, avoid radiation, and get the HPV vaccine.

Gardasil prevents at least 6 types of cancer, and that’s better than all the “natural” supplements that you could consume.

I’ve written nearly 50 articles about the HPV vaccine, mostly debunking myths, but also reviewing some of the best literature published today. I thought I’d bring them together in one place, so that it can work as a link of links for HPV vaccine information and myth debunking. I’ll just link to my articles that deal with the subject, and within those articles will be links and citations for the peer-reviewed articles, which hopefully will help the reader, if you are concerned about Gardasil safety and efficacy, or maybe you’ll pass it to someone else, if they are on the fence.

Gardasil is safe

 

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Gardasil is effective

 

Japan

 

The Japanese Health Ministry seems to love myths, so there has been a big kerfuffle in that country regarding HPV cancer preventing vaccine. Here are my articles that focus on that country’s activities with the HPV vaccine.

More about Gardasil safety and efficacy

 

As I’ve said a thousands times, there are no debates about vaccines, and certainly none about Gardasil safety and efficacy. The real science, published in real medical journals, and reviewed by experts in epidemiology, virology, infectious diseases, cancer, and other biomedical researchers, is all that matters. If the other “side” wants to be taken seriously, they need to get a Ph.D., get into real research, and publish real papers. I’m going to guess that if they did that, they would realize that vaccines are safe and effective, and they’d become as loud an advocate as I am.

Let’s be clear. Gardasil prevents cancer. And it’s about as safe a vaccine that’s ever been made. Every teenager in the USA, where the vaccine is essentially free (drop a comment if you can’t get it for free, and I’ll point you in the right direction), should get the vaccine.

Editor’s note: This article was originally published in December 2014. It will be constantly updated to include more comprehensive information, to improve readability and to add current research.

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  • VikingAPRNCNP

    And complete the hepatitis B series as a cancer prevention strategy…..

    • Off topic, but props to you for keeping your sanity while drowning in the ignorance that is Jeremy Hammond’s moronic echo chamber! It’s the only time I’ve ever considered creating another account to get around a ban!

      • VikingAPRNCNP

        I just keep putting reasoned arguments forward. I’ve noticed that it is impossible to ever make a point that is nuanced with that crowd…

      • Katia

        Me, too!

        • Wait, Katia, aren’t you banned from that dbag’s page too?

          • Katia

            Oh, yes, I am. I meant I was thinking of creating another account. Knowing my luck, though, I wouldn’t get as lenient of treatment as our bud suz has with her shenanigans.

            • Even if I made another account, I’d be banned within 5 posts. I don’t have the patience or ability to ignore ignorance that Viking has. Must be that mythical MN-Nice I’ve been hearing about the last 11 years I’ve lived there!

      • kfunk937

        ZOMG. Y’all have waaaaay more fortitude than I (actually, that’s not a big ask, right now, but that’s a ‘nother story). OTOH, keep it up, please. When I (finally) recharge, or when anybody in the wings (lurkers, especially) gets it up to do the same, you’ve done something even more. Keep it up . . .

        • My fortitude, as well as my patience, is waning. I may need a break in order to maintain my mental health.

          • kfunk937

            You. Are. So. Not. Teh. Poster. Child. for Fortitude (waning or otherwise). So. Shutup. (But, you’r e still my hero, somathetime . . .).

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  • Bill Chaffee

    The promoters of Gardisil regard everybody as either a slut or a rapist or a rape victim. By the way I don’t want want to come across as unsympathetic to rape victims. However I understand that stranger rapes are rare. The problem is filthy rich non strangers that afford high priced legal help. There is too much money involved to admit that there is any such thing as not having sexual contact with others.

    • andrea

      Npt sure of your point, but here’s my take: I had HPV-associated cervical changes that required preventative surgery. So have a lot of people. It only takes contact with one sexual partner carrying HPV, which is hugely prevalent in the population, and an unfortunate inability to clear the virus.

      • Bill Chaffee

        I don’t attribute any of the disabilities that I have to vaccinations that I have received. However I am inclined to believe disabled people (or their parents) who say that their disabilities were caused by vaccines. Based on what I have read I think that Gardisil will continue to cause more deaths and injuries than it will prevent. Society regards people with disabilities as subhuman scum. When I junior high school bullies would follow me into the boys restroom and try to pick a fight with me by spitting on me while I was trying to urinate. On June 6, 1978 I voted yes on California’s proposition 13 because I was a victim of school violence and I wanted to get back at the public schools. It had nothing to do with a desire to reduce taxes. Regarding my sexual history, I have turned down sexual advances by men and every woman that I have had a crush on has rejected me.

  • MaureenMom

    Do you know if there have been any studies about long term reproductive health of the vaccine recipients? We’ve seen other drugs have disasterous results for the children of the women who took them – how would we know if this could or would not happen here?

    • We have to establish plausibility. There is simply no plausible or scientifically rational reason to think that the HPV antigen can have some effect on the reproductive health of a woman. The antigen induces an immune memory of the virus, attacking it if it shows up again. Let me remind you of something–catching HPV and then having cervical cancer is a guaranteed effect on the reproductive health.

      When you speak of other drugs, yes, some do have issues. But that is so rare as to be impossible to see. Some drugs are tested for their effect on reproductive health, because there is some biological plausibility that the drug may have an effect. One of the big tragedies in drugs and reproduction was DES, which had an effect years after the birth of a child. But that was in a different era of research, when plausibility wasn’t considered.

      We know that, with a high degree of certainty, that the HPV vaccine would not cause an issue, because it’s biological implausible, if not impossible. I think you’re conflating a feeling that because HPV, the virus, causes harm to sexual organs that the vaccine might do the same. It can’t, because the HPV vaccine has really nothing to do with reproduction, only with the immune system.

      Moreover, in studies that included millions of young men and women, years after the vaccine, we observe nothing at all with regards to reproductive health. This should not be your worry. Cancer should be.

      • MaureenMom

        Thanks for the description of how the vaccine is impacting the immune system. Helpful. Also good point about the known chances of reproductive health issue with cervical cancer. I’m just wondering if we can really compare those known percentages with something that is unknown. And I don’t think it’s enough to say that because the drug wouldn’t affect reproductive health: we know some drugs impact fertility, why not this one? The studies probably don’t go far enough to do much more than possibly intimate about reproductive health, right? Because if we’re giving to 13-17 year olds, and the studies only go out 8-9 years, then I would think we’re on the young side of those girls actually being at the point of having their own children (hopefully). Or maybe there ARE lots of girls who got to that stage… and studies of those girls’ fertility, and in pregnancy and delivery? OR… perhaps there are studies on impacts to menstrual cycles? (maybe we can intimate from that?) Glad to know inf on those studies. Thanks again for the information.

        • PF

          Look at it this way – Gardasil isn’t materially different than many other vaccines. Vaccines work on the immune system, they don’t affect the reproductive system at all. Gardasil wouldn’t be any more likely to affect reproductive health than say, the Hep B vax, or the inactivated flu vax, or the inactivated polio vax, other vaccines that use killed/inactivated viruses. The other ingredients are not exactly the same, but similar enough. And the long term studies look at ALL medical events in the lives of the subjects, not just at particular events.

        • If you’re inventing a possibility that happens in year 10, when we only study until year 9, you are stretching the biological plausibility to breaking point. We cannot invent a possibility, without any logic to it, just because one imagines it could happen. That’s the logical fallacy of Argument from Ignorance, which in this form, means if you haven’t proven it doesn’t happen, the only logical possibility is that it happens. No, that’s not how it works.

          Once again, tell me why you think a vaccine would have an effect on this organs? A vaccine only induces an immune response, and then antigens are all destroyed by the immune system and flushed away after a few hours or maybe a couple of days.

          You cannot just invent a possible reaction when you cannot explain to us how it “might” happen. It hasn’t been observed in huge studies.

          And one more thing. Let’s say something happens at year 10. But that will be on average. We would see a bell curve of effects such as you believe could happen that started at year 2 or 3, increase up to year 10. At that time, we would notice the increase in rates, and look at it more carefully.

          Science is not magic. It is pure logic with evidence. One cannot say “Gardasil causes an impact on menstrual cycle 10 years from now. We don’t know how, but you need to look.” We’d never have one drug at that point, because we would have to look at ever conceivable and inconceivable issue in some random number of years in the future.

          You’re beating on this point MaureenMom….and it’s simply not logical. It has never been observed. There’s no simple nor complex chain of biological activities that could lead to your concerns. And if you’re refusing the vaccine for your kids, which we actually know prevent many types of cancer, because of an illogical non-evidence-based fear…that’s a bad choice.

  • nicmart

    My biggest concern is the slightness of evidence regarding the duration of effectiveness.

  • disqus_WF0m1NYhZM

    Dear Skeptical Raptor, you’re my last hope at finding an answer to two questions around HPV and Gardasil! I have scoured the internet and can’t find any information to help me and I figured that there is no one better informed than you so basically, if you don’t know, then I doubt anyone does! So firstly, I have HPV (strain 18). It’s been recurring for a few years now and my gynae has prescribed the course of Gardisil, even though it is persistent and I am 40 years old. He said there may be some residual benefit. I’m not sure if it is age related but I did not react well to the first injection (the fatigue and headaches which have fortunately passed) and it was really expensive and I’m just wondering if the “residual benefits” warrant the expense and side effects, albeit temporary?

    My second query relates to the chances of my husband contracting it from me and whether there is anyway of knowing if he has e.g. a blood test? My doctor says no. He has never had genital warts but what really scares us is the risk of throat cancer a la Michael Douglas. Just how common is this and is there really no way of predetermining the risk until throat cancer has developed??? Should we basically never engage in oral sex again just in case? Sorry for the TMI but as I said, if you haven’t come across this in all its gory detail in your research yet then it makes me wonder about the validity of both.

    Thank you!!

    • OK, the side effects are minor and not frequent. Please don’t read the garbage on the internet, it’ll drive you crazy. Yes, I’m on the internet, I know. Irony abounds.

      I’ll try to go through your points:

      1. HPV vaccines will not “cure” a current infection. But I think you realized that. However, the current vaccine protects against 9 different sub-strains, I might be worth it, but it’s up to your physician, you and your insurance company (if you don’t want to pay for it).
      2. Remember cancer is not an on/off switch. It’s a risk. Yes, there is some risk that he could get HPV from you. Yes, there is some risk that the HPV could cause an oropharyngeal cancer. And one must remember that oropharyngeal cancer can be caused by other things like chewing tobacco, or cigarette or cigar smoking. Or, not to be accusatory, but he could have gotten one of the HPV subtypes from another partner.
      3. The HPV that causes genital warts is not generally associated with HPV-causing cancer.
      4. There are no known blood tests for HPV infections, but I might have forgotten about one or two.

      I don’t know what to suggest. The risk is small (about 72% of throat cancer is related to HPV, but the incidence is only about 30,000 cases per year), especially if your partner doesn’t smoke or chew tobacco, which may enhance the risk from HPV. But there’s also risk of getting cancer from eating red meat. Or sitting in the sun.

      If this story applied to me. I’d get the Gardasil 9 to protect me against the virus that might cause oropharyngeal cancer. Because, it’s almost an on/off issue. He might be already infected, so it’s too late but to monitor closely. Or it’s not too late, get the vaccine, and have fun. I’d rather have fun, I’d get Gardasil.

      But don’t take any of this as medical advice. Ask your doc. He will give you a path to take.

      • disqus_WF0m1NYhZM

        Thank you so much for taking the time to send such a thorough response! You’ve really allayed my neuroses. And given me perspective. If I look at the numbers – the percentage of women that have strain 18 like me (high) vs the percentage of men that get oropharyngeal cancer (relatively low and exacerbated by other risk factors like smoking which my husband doesn’t do) – even if the chances are that by having the vaccine now we’re shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted, I think it’s ok to still “have fun”.

        For me the main take-away from this discussion is that as you point out, cancer is a risk we all face anyway, in some form or another. And it’s rife. But that’s another discussion…

        Thanks again for this excellent and balanced response and for a fantastic blog in general. One thing’s for sure, I will be giving my kids Gardasil as soon as they’re old enough!

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  • Melpub

    Why is a pap smear not enough for a girl who is not sexually active? Even if I underestimate my daughter’s sexual activity–but at the moment she does not even have her period–how can I ignore claims from so many young women that they felt very ill after their vaccine? Please explain.
    http://www.thecriticalmom.blogspot.com

    • nicmart

      A pap smear discovers cells that are already abnormal, preferably before they have become cancerous. It does not confer any protection against infection. It is entirely your option to leave your child unprotected from HPV infection, but I have made sure that mine is vaccinated, and she had no problem aside from the usual pain at injection site.

      • Melpub

        Thanks, but are there not also other tests? Cytology, etc? I have no medical background but I do have a sense that something about the HPV vaccines smells. My kids have all the other vaccines–and I never heard of many people having problems; I did hear of the occasional extreme reaction, but that’s to be expected. So many young women claim that their health collapsed after the HPV vaccine. I don’t know why they’d complain if there were no problem–people don’t complain in the same way about other vaccines. I don’t think this is all hysteria about young girls having sex (the reply I’ve been given in answer to my query). What if this vaccine has an unpredictable impact on a significant number of girls? Most do fine, but so many seem not to.
        http://www.thecriticalmom.blogspot.com

        • nicmart

          Yes, there are other tests, but they also detect infected cells. Of course the point is to prevent infection. You need to look at credible scientific sources for data about harm. I haven’t studied the matter, but here is one that is several years old.

          http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/SafetyAvailability/VaccineSafety/ucm179549.htm

        • In peer reviewed case-controlled studies, there is no “smell.” You cannot use anecdotes and confirmation bias to avoid protecting your children from CANCER. There are only maybe 10 legitimate ways to prevent cancers, and this is one.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Human Papillomavirus Vaccination Coverage Among Adolescent Girls, 2007–2012, and Postlicensure Vaccine Safety Monitoring, 2006–2013—United States
          AU
          SO
          MMWR Recomm Rep. 2013;62(29):591.
          And

          http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafe… (Accessed on November 15, 2011).

          no abstract available
          You are placing your children at risk for cervical, anal and penile cancers. All of which are disabling and/or potentially lethal.

          Vaers is not a particularly reliable tool to assess risk.

          See up to date
          Between June 2006 and March 2013, approximately 57 million doses of quadrivalent HPV vaccines were distributed in the United States. Reports of adverse events to VAERS have been consistent with the pre-licensure data:

          ●From 2006 to 2013, VAERS received 21,194 reports of adverse events following HPV immunization among females [93]. The vast majority (92 percent) were considered mild. The proportion of events reported as serious peaked in 2008.

          Through 2011, 72 post-vaccination deaths had been reported, of which 34 were confirmed. There was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine.

          About 1 death reported per 2 MILLION vaccination events. There is no evidence that the vaccination led to death.

          There are real linkages between hpv infection and deaths from cancer. It boggles my mind that anyone would refuse to take steps to reduce the risk for cancer later in life.

        • Katia

          1. Quit reading that blog for starts! I’m serious! This statement from it is an outright lie: “Dr. Harper: Yes, the adolescent pediatricians promoting the vaccine see only the segment of the adolescent population who indeed are having sex at Nin’s frequency. The vaccine may not have helped her as HPV infections causing vaginal cancer are not necessarily covered by HPV4 or HPV9.​” Most pediatricians who ‘promote’ Gardasil see girls with sexual activity across the continuum from abstinent on up. Few teenage girls are having sex at the frequency of the patient in the story (4 times a day with four different partners for a number of months). It is also important that the girls be protected when they have sex for the first time; in other words, get the vaccine before becoming sexually active if possible.

          Here’s another statement that is both true and false at the same time: “While only 1% of women infected with HPV will develop cervical
          cancer, more than half of all sexually active woman (even those in a
          monogamous relationship with only one partner ever) will become infected
          with a cancer causing HPV virus.” ‘More than half’ in this case means about 80%. https://www.womenshealth.gov/publications/our-publications/fact-sheet/human-papillomavirus.html

          2. As I said above, my office gave thousands of HPV shots from the time the vax came out until I retired in August, and is still giving them. We didn’t see that sh*t. Ever. Talk about hysteria, the hysteria is in the over-emphasis on rare side effects. We had (have) a fairly affluent, kind of b*tchy clientele who call us constantly, so if this stuff were happening with any frequency whatsoever, we’d hear about it. Heck, we have parents whose kids see the doctor in the morning call back in the afternoon to say the kid is still sick! We’d hear about this stuff for sure!

    • Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Just because something follows another, that indicates nothing scientifically.

      Moreover, you are using confirmation bias (that’s OK, we all do), choosing the “so many young women” to form your fears. However, you can’t possibly check all 80 million doses given in the USA, to find out if there really is something going on. And the best research continues to support the rather rare, very rare, reactions that you describe. Reactions that are actually lower than what we observe in the general population.

    • andrea

      I felt ill after receiving the news that I had HPV-associated CIN2/3 cervical abnormalities that required preventative surgery, but YMMV.

    • Katia

      1. Pap smears are not preventive, they are early detection.
      2. You can ignore those claims by reading literature from reliable sites, and by talking to your doctor. Most pediatricians have been giving this vax since it came out and have seen few if any problems from it. In other words, they’ve been giving it for almost 10 years to thousands of kids (both boys and girls now) and haven’t seen these problems that, if you read woo websites, are extremely common. I’ve never seen anything other than what is called “simple fainting” in all those years of giving gardasil. Fainting can be prevented by having the child eat something right before the shot to get the blood sugar up, and having them wait in the office 10-15 minutes after the shot.

  • FaintCryofFreedom

    I notice that this telling article has been omitted from your blog here: http://ahrp.org/gardasil-vaccine-researcher-drops-bombshell/
    Why?

    • 1. I see you’re not capable of reading. I’ve debunked the Diane Harper stories 50 times at least.
      2. Your link is not a peer-reviewed article. Case closed.
      3. The list of articles is what I wrote. But then again, your comprehension skills are those of a hyperactive 3 year old.

      • nicmart

        Which is worse: poor reading skills or bad manners? Poor reading can be excused, but being a jerk cannot.

        • Manners? I treat all anti-vaccination twits in the same way. I’m quite fair about it.

          Come on get real. This is my website, and bashing trolls is so much fun.

  • FaintCryofFreedom

    I would like to see a study which provides statistics as to how many doses of Gardasil have been administered, either domestically or worldwide, to how many girls & boys, men & women, and how many reported adverse effects, mild to severe, documented. As in, the subject was fine, administered the vaccine (first dose? Second or stopped? Third then stopped?) Until this information is provided, don’t just assume we will all “take your word for it”.

    • There has been in case-controlled studies.

      Your “idea” indicates your complete lack of reading skills, since I wrote about case-controlled studies of millions of patients.

      Your ignorance makes it appear that you have no purpose here but trolling. Au revoir.

    • VikingAPRNCNP

      I hate to repeat myself but……

      Human Papillomavirus Vaccination Coverage Among Adolescent Girls, 2007–2012, and Postlicensure Vaccine Safety Monitoring, 2006–2013—United States
      AU
      SO
      MMWR Recomm Rep. 2013;62(29):591.
      And

      http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafe… (Accessed on November 15, 2011).

      no abstract available
      You are placing your children at risk for cervical, anal and penile cancers. All of which are disabling and/or potentially lethal.

      Vaers is not a particularly reliable tool to assess risk.

      See up to date
      Between June 2006 and March 2013, approximately 57 million doses of quadrivalent HPV vaccines were distributed in the United States. Reports of adverse events to VAERS have been consistent with the pre-licensure data:

      ●From 2006 to 2013, VAERS received 21,194 reports of adverse events following HPV immunization among females [93]. The vast majority (92 percent) were considered mild. The proportion of events reported as serious peaked in 2008.

      Through 2011, 72 post-vaccination deaths had been reported, of which 34 were confirmed. There was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine.

      About 1 death reported per 2 MILLION vaccination events. There is no evidence that the vaccination led to death.

      There are real linkages between hpv infection and deaths from cancer. It boggles my mind that anyone would refuse to take steps to reduce the risk for cancer later in life.

  • Yoza

    My sister had all three shots and had to get pre-cancerous cells removed because of the vaccine. Lol.

    • Lawrence McNamara

      Not possible.

    • Thanks for the lie.

    • andrea

      Wow, she must be the subject of a pretty compelling case study! Where can I read about it?

  • g_money_stud

    This article is full of shit. Don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining!

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  • Jax Hardy

    Going back to the Middle Ages when people had A STICK SOAKED IN WINE to help them infections, (I simplify. But its not far off) I for one am glad we have these scientific miracles to keep us safer. Wanna go back to Game of Thrones days? Go ahead. For my kids, I’ll get vaccines. How shall I say this? Americans are so goddamned paranoid about everyone being against YOU. As if the world has nothing better to do but run around and make you even more mentally ill than you already are. Europeans vaccinate…yet somehow…they dont seem to suffer the same problems. Grow the fuck up America. Not everyone is out to get you…except yourselves of course!

    • Katia

      I was with your right to here: “Europeans vaccinate…yet somehow…they dont seem to suffer the same
      problems. Grow the fuck up America. Not everyone is out to get
      you…except yourselves of course!” Do be aware the anti-vax movement is much stronger in your beloved Europe than here in the US.
      http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/measles-outbreak/vaccinate-against-measles-who-tells-europe-russia-n312611
      Now there is polio in Ukraine, due to low vaccination levels.

      • FaintCryofFreedom

        And what of the woman who is suing the Irish govt and their healthcare system because her daughter suffered immediate & adverse reactions to dose 1, followed by dose 2, declined dose 3, and is now permanently disabled & in need of round the clock care? What would you say to her & others who have banded together & formed the group REGRET? Stick to one vaccine at a time. We are discussing HPV vaccine here.

        • Katia

          What of this woman? Got any documentation?

        • Post hoc ergo procter hoc. Meh.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          See my previous comment……

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  • Diddly doo

    ” Essentially, the researchers found that it was a 50:50 probability that
    any teen would get the vaccine, regardless of their knowledge of HPV
    and the vaccine itself.” I see no critique

    You are missing one vital piece of evidence, people just don’t trust or believe that vaccination evidence sources are credible. The swine flu scam is a good example of bullshit being fanned into market shares and unfounded changes in the law.

    http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2013/10/japan-halts-hpv-shot-for-girls-over-safety-issues/

    If Japan thinks there are safety issues and has suspended its use pending investigations why don’t you have this in your blog? Merck, the manufacturer of Gardasil, right now, is involved in legal action in the US by 5 of its ex scientists over fiddling data to give false impressions about MMR efficacy. During the swine flu scam Roche the main manufacturer of the antiviral Tamiflu, managed to get immunity from prosecution over making it available to everyone and have it paid for by the tax payer too. Months after the flu scam was supposed to have ended the BMJ wrote to them to ask for the data for an audit of efficacy. The response was that ‘We have lost it’.

    The Nobel committee that awarded Gardasil a prize was investigated by the Finns as most of the committee that made the decision were on paybacks from the manufacturers.

    The CDC even knows there is no causal pathway between HPV and cervical cancer. This blog is a swiss cheese of fantasy, it isn’t a conspiracy – it’s happening.

    The biggest concern with the whole Septic community is the lack of scientific inquiry, it is all about debunking strongly held beliefs – what is scientific about that.

    • 1. Citations please. Your personal attacks have zero merit, given your utter lack of any evidence that would contradict the scientific consensus.
      2. I’ve posted 50 articles (at least) on Gardasil that are supported by over a hundred peer-reviewed high quality articles. You are incapable of bringing one.
      3. Strawman argument about the flu. On the other hand, the flu article you are providing was written by paid shills of the antivaccination cult. Of which you are a full member.
      3. Nobel committee? LMFAO. You just lie.
      4. Pathway between HPV and cervical cancer isn’t known? You’re full of shit.
      5. You have no clue what constitutes skepticism. You think it’s being openminded to lies and logical fallacies. But you’d be wrong there.

      • Diddly doo

        Put the septic manual down and engage in an exchange – it’s like trying to talk to a scientologist. There is no ‘high quality medical peer review’ we all know it is industry funded PR. We all know that the HPV vaccine paid its way to a NOBEL prize and once the contracts had been signed no politician wanted to unpack it in public.

        You post like a junior umpire in a senior hockey match, if you left research to do this, what the hell was the quality of your research! Up to NOBBLED standard or just couldn’t hack it.

        • andrea

          “the HPV vaccine paid its way to a NOBEL prize”

          They didn’t exactly get their money’s worth, then.

      • pat heaney

        I’m not anti VAX, but please follow the money if you think you are truly skeptical. Who is funding the research? The companies that will make money by selling this. Unfortunately I have first hand knowledge of a girl that got her Gardasil injection 3 weeks ago and is now intubated and in ICU. The best they’ve been able to figure out it’s labeled as “autoimmune encephalitis” so far (and they still aren’t sure). Doesn’t seem like a unique situation based upon my reading.

        Gardasil was pushed hard by my kids pediatrician too. It was being pitched hard to us (my own daughter got it)… hard enough to make me suspicious that the practice was looking at this as an upsell revenue stream vs. a preventative for some dire public health threat.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Vaccinations are not money makers for primary care.

          Do you think it might just be that your doctor didn’t want your daughter to develop cervical cancer?

        • kfunk937

          To quote one of my friend’s eponymous Rules, “Everything before the “but” is bullshit.”

          Works equally well with “after,” in this case. Handy, that.

          Edited for rubbish spellnig ;7) and b0rking the quote.

      • FaintCryofFreedom

        You are ignoring the cases reported of teens who have had immediate & adverse reactions. Why? These cases are being documented. Why are they ignored here.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          They are vanishing lyrics rare. 1600 serious adverse reactions out of 57 million vaccination events translates to about 3 per 1000000 cases.

          Put that in context with the “HPV is believed to cause nearly 5% of all new cancers across the world, making it almost as dangerous with regards to cancer as tobacco. ”

          “In developed countries in 2012, cervical cancer was the eleventh most common type of cancer in women (9.9 per 100,000 women) and the ninth most common cause of cancer mortality (3.3 per 100,000)”

          Global cancer statistics, 2012.
          AU
          Torre LA, Bray F, Siegel RL, Ferlay J, Lortet-Tieulent J, Jemal A
          SO
          CA Cancer J Clin. 2015;65(2):87.
          The vaccination is safer than the risk for contracting cancer. In other words you are MUCH more likely to contract cancer than have an adverse event from gardasil.

      • nicmart

        God, your treatment of people is disgusting. I’ve worked with plenty of scientists, and not one has degraded people as you do.

    • kellymbray

      “he Nobel committee that awarded Gardasil a prize was investigated by the Finns”

      The Nobel Prize in physiology or medicine is a Swedish award. Two different countries.

      • andrea

        Not to mention Gardasil researchers have not been awarded a Nobel Prize to date.

    • kellymbray

      “The CDC even knows there is no causal pathway between HPV and cervical cancer.”

      How about a specific citation for that?

    • andrea

      “The Nobel committee that awarded Gardasil a prize”

      Which year was that, m8

  • Lisa Donovan

    I’m doing research on whether to give my kids the Gardasil vaccine and came across this blog post. The post is well-researched and well-written, so thank you for that. However, the tone of the people commenting in favor of the vaccine is offensive. The comments presume that people who are not advocating for the vaccine are unintelligent. Really? My husband and I both have advanced technical degrees. We value sound data and sound analysis; and yet we are keenly aware that results may be manipulated in many ways. If we were researching something trivial such as the type of tomato plants I want to plant this year, the consequence of a “bad” decision would be minimal. But since we are talking about the long-term health effects on our children (both positive and negative), it is a serious decision and one we are trying to make the most informed decision that we can. Again, thank you for your post. I encourage the commenters (including the author) to not jump to conclusions about people asking questions.

    • Ahmed

      Please don’t give your kids this poison…. I almost died from this vaccine and this person had no clue of the true effect of this vaccine. If you are still not sure I can put you in contacts with true victims and hear their stories.

      • Provide evidence, or we’re going to have to say you’re badly misinformed or an outright liar.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Option b…….

      • My daughter got this vaccine as part of her sports physical a few weeks ago. She’s 14. I’m watching her closely, and wondering when her autism (or whatever you pro-disease loons are blaming on vaccines today) is going to kick in.

        • Mike Stevens

          Give it time.
          Should she be in a car crash in 5 years time…blame the vax
          Should she have hyperemesis during a future pregnancy…blame the vax.
          Should she get a hairy chin when she is 85…blame the vax.

          • Is it just me, or are these pro-disease nutsacks getting bolder with their lies and fabricated “data” interpretation?

            • FaintCryofFreedom

              Tell it to a mother and/or father who’ve watched their child receive this vaccination & become ill immediately afterward. As with most vaccines, the makers know full well before unleashing on an unsuspecting public that there is a certain percentage who will have reactions. From mild to severe. But divulging this information tends to make everyone nervous, so the makers keep it on the DL. Collateral damage. They are prepared to deal with -and compensate- any who may be adversely effected by their vaccine. They build it into their projected profit models.

            • caughtinthemiddle

              Psychosomatic addict insane

            • Anecdotes. Doesn’t equal data however.

            • VikingAPRNCNP

              Please see the real data not just anecdotes…..
              CONCLUSIONS: Most of the AEFI rates were not greater than the background rates compared with other vaccines, but there was disproportional reporting of syncope and venous thromboembolic events. The significance of these findings must be tempered with the limitations (possible underreporting) of a passive reporting system.

              Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine.
              AU
              Slade BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua W, Sutherland A, Izurieta HS, Ball R, Miller N, Braun MM, Markowitz LE, Iskander JAD
              Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1600 Clifton Rd NE, Mailstop D-26, Atlanta, GA 30333, USA. bfs9@cdc.gov

            • It’s because science has crushed them. And intelligent legislatures, at least in the USA, are favoring science over bullshit, so their disease ridden children are banned from schools.

              They’re whining because they are liars and losers.

              Simple really. 🙂

          • Katia

            My kids got it around 2006-07. Since then one has graduated from college, both have received advanced degrees, one a doctorate and one a master’s. Both have become engaged, one married. I’d say from that, Gardasil enhances one’s chances of obtaining higher ed and marriage. Makes as much sense as most of this woo you read.

            Lisa, don’t overanalyze.

          • FaintCryofFreedom

            Don’t be an ass. Anti-vaxers, or those who deign to question the safety of some vaccines, are stupid according to your tone. How dare you label people whose children are suffering immediate & sustained reactions to this vaccine? Grow up. If it were your child, you would want answers, not condescending one-eyed blinks.

            • caughtinthemiddle

              Because they’re not….where’s the proof it’s from the vaccine. Where? You keep spouting about all these kids but offer no actual proof (pro-tip: there is none). Anecdotal BS. It’s like the people who claim religious miracles-didn’t happen, all in their head.

      • caughtinthemiddle

        You are full of baloney. It did not almost kill you unless you had an unknown allergic reaction to contents of the vaccine, which is no one’s fault and could happen with any vaccine. I call massive shenanigans.

        • FaintCryofFreedom

          NO ONE’S fault? Are you kidding? Allergic reaction or not, whatever you want to call it, you are shilling when you’re not getting paid. Or maybe you are getting paid to shill. Gardasil has not been tested thoroughly enough to warrant mass administering to an unsuspecting public. Remember, those receiving the vaccine aren’t anti-vaxers. They are trusting the makers of the vaccine that’s it’s been tested enough & proven to be completely safe. So studies need to be done on those experiencing mild to severe reactions to discover WHY. What in their personal physical makeup would cause them to experience reactions, but not others? Don’t behave as if we’re asking stupid questions. There are only stupid, condescending answers, or non-answers.

          • caughtinthemiddle

            Not shilling, how can an unknown allergy be anyone’s fault? It has been tested enough. Canada waited a long, long time after the US and tested the vaccine way more stringently than the US before introducing it. Show me the documented evidence that any reaction was due to the mumbo-jumbo anti-vaxers say. Psychosomatic reactions yes, but no provable case of autism. Just stop.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            57 million administration events aren’t enough?

            The adverse effects don’t appear to be particularly dangerous in context (fainting or syncope is increasing in frequency in general…..)

            Among serious events, headache, nausea, vomiting, fatigue, dizziness, syncope, and generalized weakness were the most frequently reported. There is no increased risk of Guillain-Barré Syndrome compared with other vaccines in similar age groups [87].

            “CONCLUSIONS: Most of the AEFI rates were not greater than the background rates compared with other vaccines, but there was disproportional reporting of syncope and venous thromboembolic events. The significance of these findings must be tempered with the limitations (possible underreporting) of a passive reporting system.
            AD
            Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, 1600 Clifton Rd NE, Mailstop D-26, Atlanta, GA 30333, USA. bfs9@cdc.gov

            Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine.
            AU
            Slade BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua W, Sutherland A, Izurieta HS, Ball R, Miller N, Braun MM, Markowitz LE, Iskander J
            SO
            JAMA. 2009;302(7):750.

            Syncope with injury d/t falls is essentially preventable if patients remain seated for 15 minutes following vaccination. (This is a common safety practice following all vaccination events.)

    • Diddly doo

      But it is not well written, unless you want to bias in favor of Gardasil. It is a cherry picked PR website

    • Thank you for your positive comments. I’m sorry I’m late to replying, but the I must get 100 comments per day, and keeping up is impossible. I try though.

      Yes, I agree. There are serious issues with children’s health that should be carefully discussed. But honestly, I hope that my blog post wasn’t the one that pushed you to one side or another. It should be a conversation with your physician, and I know, sometimes you have to compress it into 5 minutes.

      On the other hand, I have a goal–I present what appears to be the scientific consensus, which is based on overwhelming data published in high quality journals. Most of the negative evidence is not. I’m just trying to bring all the evidence together in an easy-to-read format.

      So thanks for reading this. I’m overjoyed that it helped you in your quest for information. And I hope that your kids grow up, like mine, to be wonderful children, vaccinated against all pathogens. I had to throw that in. Because my daughters read these comments. 🙂

    • Andrew Lazarus

      Most antivaxers have at least some education. There are exceptions, but generally, you have to be middle-class or better to overestimate your ability to crush polio and measles all by yourself. Poor people from places where public health is dismal have more first hand experience with sickness.

      Unfortunately, it can be somewhat difficult to keep calm facing the same distorted data from the same antivax web site for the 10th time. Most of what you find there is simply out of context, but some of it is lies (e.g., anything by Andrew Wakefield, who was a charlatan in it for the money from Day One).

      • FaintCryofFreedom

        You are ignoring reported cases of subjects receiving this vaccine & sustaining immediate & lasting adverse effects. WHY? Because it doesn’t figure into your equation of “don’t ask too many questions”?

        • Andrew Lazarus

          Because sometimes things happen by coincidence. Human beings have a strong need to find patterns. Taken over a large sample, though, we see a small number of permanent adverse reactions that can be related to vaccines, and autism is not one of them.

    • caughtinthemiddle

      It’s bunk and you shouldn’t believe in bunk. If you are sceptical of the recognized medical institutions saying it is safe, then are you leary of all medicine? It’s silly. Yes, there have been shams in the best, but garadsil has been thoroughly tested. Most claims to the contrary are anecdotals done by wing nuts or unofficial agencies with agendas. The best one is, is that people died of anaphylaxis from the vaccine. They probably had an unknown allergy to contents of the vaccine, which could happen with any vaccine if someone had an unknown allergy. Anti-vaxxers are like conspiracy theorists-they think they are of a superior intellect because they know something the rest of us don’t, and it makes them feel special.

      • FaintCryofFreedom

        You, like others here, are ignoring the cases being documented of subjects who’ve received this vaccine sustaining immediate & lasting adverse effects. WHY?

  • adaokiebird

    How can people get this vaccine “essentially free”? Please address the multiple articles I have read concerning Bartonella and Lyme Disease and HPV vaccination. Thanks, fb Robin Linker

    • Insurance covers it. Obamacare covers it. Vaccines for Children program covers it. Unless you lack access to health insurance, Medicaid, Medicare, a big bank account, you can get the vaccine. And even then, most county health departments will vaccinate children under 18 for free.

      As for your other points? Lyme Disease is caused by a bacteria from a tick. It’s cured with antibiotics.

      • Curious George

        They make it so easy don’t they.

        • I don’t know if that was sarcasm or not, but I might have made it seem complicated, but it is very easy.

          On the other hand, if you were just stating the fact that it is easy. Yes.

      • -.-

        Lyme disease isn’t always curable. Try again. -.-

      • FaintCryofFreedom

        If caught & diagnosed in the early stages. Qualify your answers.

        • caughtinthemiddle

          Yes, but not caused by a vaccine. That was the point he was making.

    • Diddly doo

      Why would you want it at all?

  • I just took my 14-yo daughter to the doc for a sports physical today, and she got her meningococcal conjugate vaccine (MCV4), and her first dose of Gardasil-9. It’s been almost 7 hours, and still no Autism. Fingers crossed!

    • Watch out for excessive texting, ignoring parents, and thinking that anyone over the age 20 is pretty lame. Well known adverse events after Gardasil.

    • Diddly doo

      Your sense of humor is rather sick. It is a shame that you have the scientific inquiry of a believer.

      • Thank you for the first part. But, believer in what?

        • Diddly doo

          The myth of medical peer review as fact, leading onto belief in all vaccination, you are also a Pastafarian – belief in the bullshit of belief itself, you probably believe that this site is scientific, the list goes on and on……………………

          • As a participant from both sides of the process, I can tell you that while it might not be perfect, it’s pretty damn good. It is also self-correcting, which is why that fraud Wakefield was caught. As a pastafarian, you should know that’s a good sign that I am a free thinker and do not suffer bullshlt lightly. Sounds like you’re a little confused about who to believe. Maybe a little paranoid. Is there a multinational conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands of scientists, none of whom has ever told the secret? Yeah, I didn’t think so.

            • Diddly doo

              “As a participant from both sides of the process, I can tell you that
              while it might not be perfect, it’s pretty damn good. It is also
              self-correcting,” pastabowl

              Well that’s a fantasy, it only ‘self corrects’ when market share plummets. There is no conspiracy either, it’s happening. I mean look at the total crap spouted about flu vaccine. This year it’s only 3% effective, if that was snake oil you’d say it’s bull. Placebo is 20%.

            • Bullshlt on the 3% number. What’s your source for that? Flu vaccine this past year was estimated at 23% effectiveness. That’s between 1 in 4 to 1 in 5 recipients, and is a far cry better than nothing. Do you have any idea how many people die from influenza each year? From CDC:
              CDC estimates that from the 1976-1977 season to the 2006-2007 flu season, flu-associated deaths ranged from a low of about 3,000 to a high of about 49,000 people. Death certificate data and weekly influenza virus surveillance information was used to estimate how many flu-related deaths occurred among people whose underlying cause of death was listed as respiratory or circulatory disease on their death certificate. So let’s see, 23% of 49,000…

              As for science being self-correcting, it has nothing to do with the market. In general, the people actually doing the science don’t give a fck about the market. From where exactly do you get your delusions?

            • Diddly doo

              http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-31155332

              Flu vaccine only 3% effective, usual weasel words about mismatch, but oddly they don’t use the classic ‘it’s not the vaccine that failed it is the process or blame it on the patient’.

              CDC is in the numbers game Pasta boy. In the UK the Cochraine collaboration looked at the top 10 claims by the NHS for flu jab. The top one was that the flu jab halves winter deaths. Cochraine found that only 10% of winter deaths were caused by flu like illnesses, that isn’t confirmed flu only flu like. Cochraine concluded that to halve winter deaths the flu jab would have to have an impact on road traffic accidents!!

              http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1967306,00.html

              You can cherry pick as a passive observer to fit your belief system Pasta boy or you can look at the study done by proper researchers who definitely upset market share with that one.

              “As for science being self-correcting, it has nothing to do with the
              market. In general, the people actually doing the science don’t give a fck about the market.” Linguini boy

              This has to be the LOL sentence you have written to date. I can only presume it is one of your longer sentences.

            • Mike Stevens

              “Flu vaccine only 3% effective”
              It was a particularly bad year for serotype matching, sure.
              Why don’t you cite the figures for other years, I wonder?

              “The top one was that the flu jab halves winter deaths. Cochraine found that only 10% of winter deaths were caused by flu like illnesses”
              I didn’t know the vaccine was one for “Winter Death” disease.
              And I guess you didn’t get the memo about how flu vaccine has a non-specific effect in averting deaths from other comorbid illnesses like IHD, did you?

              Oh, and it’s “Cochrane”. At least get the name right. It will make your misrepresentations more believable.

            • Diddly doo

              Hey Mikey, good to see you’ve woken up. It is never a ‘good’ year for flu vaccine unless you count conning world governments into paying for a swine flu vaccine that was useless and underwriting against side effects – that was a result.

              The NHS in the UK had 10 claims for flu jab. The top one was that the flu jab halves winter deaths. I am sorry that you missed the piss take in the Cochrane review on its efficacy – ie the flu vaccine would have to reduce car accidents to make a 50% reduction in mortality.

              I know it’s hard to believe but when medical researchers are starting to take the piss out of flu vaccine – the initiated septic just can’t see or hear it. The rest of the world is laughing at you. hhhhhhhhhhhh

            • caughtinthemiddle

              Maybe it’s the lizard people living at the centre of the earth controlling everyone…or aliens…or perhaps the effects of windmills are causing people to want to believe in the vaccinations. I prefer to believe it’s the illuminati controlling all of it. I’m glad you’re on to them. Keep fighting the good fight.

            • VikingAPRNCNP

              Hmm since I started getting the flu shot I haven’t has a case of flu over the past 8 years. I am a nurse so I get plenty of exposure to influenza carriers…..

            • andrea

              That same news article reports that the flu vaccine is on average 50% effective. Cherry-picking indeed.

      • caughtinthemiddle

        Please. I’ve read so much garbage by you anti-vaxxers. Some clown said they could see the autism develop in their baby 24 hours after it got the vaccination. Firstly, what did they see? And secondly, it’s funny how they don’t diagnose autism in babies…..so much baloney.

      • VikingAPRNCNP

        He was demonstrating just how unlikely a true ae is……

    • Katia

      Usually it happens in the car on the way home. Seriously, I’ve read of that happening. That’s why nurses and doctors never see it. The reaction is potentiated by getting in the car. They leave the office fine, and never call back.

    • disqus_DCw6xczUI5

      Gee, I hope her ovaries aren’t affected.

    • FaintCryofFreedom

      I have not read that Gardasil causes Autism. However, I have read of other more horrendous & debilitating reactions immediately after receiving this vaccine. Talk to the parents over in Ireland who formed REGRET for more information.

      • Ya know, when you do a search for something and the only hits that are returned are from anti-science propaganda sites like healthimopactnews, one has to question the credibility of the claim.

  • Winter Hope

    Here’s just ONE story for you guys. Educate before you vaccinate!!!!

    http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/i-want-my-daughters-life-back-the-way-it-was-before-gardasil/

    • Ah a random, lying, non-evidence-based website should be your “education.” How about those of us with advanced educations, who spent a lifetime in research? I guess you’re too lazy to actually go to a real college, a real graduate school, and get a real science education. Are you embarrassed by your level of ignorance and hate? Sigh.

      • Winter Hope

        Well, I see by your level of “education” that not even a true story can get through to your liberal brain! That’s sad! What I’m embarrassed about is people like you .. whom by your repetitious disinformation is ruining others’ lives! If parents want to continue to put this crap into their children without the benefit of research, their children’s blood is on their heads! Now, skeptical raptor, (which your user name explains alot) if you wish to be heard by all on here, then reply to my comment. Just know I will not be back to read or reply to yours. Some people love the sound of their own voice … so, rant on, be heard, to your own enjoyment!!!!!

        • My political affiliation has no relevance to my understanding of scientific evidence. None. In fact, I regularly piss off dumbass liberals who hate vaccines or GMOs. So, you lose that bit of ad hominem silliness.

          Once again, when are you going to get off your lazy dumb ass and show me the level of education and intellect that is common to every single scientist in the world. You might have spent 10 hours Googling bullshit websites with not one nanogram of critical thinking. I have spent 30 years studying endocrinology, cardiology, cell biology, immunology, genetics, virology, pharmacology and many other fields of science in both 10 years of formal education PLUS 20 years of research.

          Malcolm Gladwell wrote that it takes 10,000 hours of work to be an expert. Hmmmmm. I have 10,000 hours of work in endocrinology alone.

          Give me a break. Your arrogance is so profound, you think you know more than one thousand scientists who have studied every aspect of vaccines–10,000 hours each at least. No, you deserve to be treated with disdain and disgust. You want to harm and kill children based on ignorance. How do you live with yourself?

          • fish1552

            You know, I stopped by this site thinking I was going to get some great information. Which I did get. But then I get to the bottom and read the comments. You essentially took your post above and ruined your credibility here in the comments by resorting to name calling and acting like a child. Why would you stoop to that level when you claim to be highly educated? I agree 100% with Lisa Donovan comment about your actions here in this section. I would suggest you delete and re-word your responses.

            • Sandy Perlmutter

              Bear in mind that our poor Raptor puts up with endless amounts of unscientific nonsense every time he publishes his solidly researched notes. There are repeater trolls on here, and what appear to be professional anti-vaxxers. I have no idea why they go through all this to promulgate garbage, but it must be very trying to have to look at it.

              So once in a while, the Raptor calls one of them out. Generally for not being smart, or being pretentious, or just plain lying. Frequently these people refer to discredited sources and those are also called out. Then there are the paranoids: “the whole damn system is corrupt”.

              Kudos to the Skeptical Raptor for just keeping on, adding to his older essays and assembling new ones.

            • Diddly doo

              “Bear in mind that our poor Raptor puts up with endless amounts of
              unscientific nonsense every time he publishes his solidly researched
              notes” Whining

              Well he should know, he writes most of it, all on his own apparently?

            • Diddly doo

              You know in Ceausescu’s Romania they used to take orphans from orphanages and give them a house, car wife etc. in allegiance to the crown. You know, pick a system failure and promote them.

              Medical researchers are like that, they are trained to ignore evidence and spot share potential.

          • Diddly doo

            “My political affiliation has no relevance to my understanding of scientific evidence.” LOL

            ” I have spent 30 years studying endocrinology, cardiology, cell biology, immunology, genetics, virology, pharmacology and many other fields of science in both 10 years of formal education PLUS 20 years of research. LOL

            So you had to keep repeating the exams to pass or what. How come with all that training you still think you can ‘catch’ flu or that cancer can be prevented by an injection!

            “Malcolm Gladwell wrote that it takes 10,000 hours of work to be an
            expert. Hmmmmm. I have 10,000 hours of work in endocrinology alone.” LOL

            My god, this guy has spent decades in college, what is his pinnacle achievement? Cherry picking bullshit in a septic tank!

            Way to go Septic Rantor, way to go…………..

      • Ahmed

        Listen disagreeing is one thing and manner is another. Have some manners in your discussion and research what the lady is saying. How many victims you want before releasing how deadly is this vaccine!!!!!

        • This is my blog. How I treat science deniers, pseudoscience pushers and liars is up to me. My manners are fucking perfect, you just don’t like that I mock ignorance and lying.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Please refer to my previous posts for sources as to actual serious adverse effects following vaccination.

        • Katia

          Why should anyone take these woo websites seriously?

      • Diddly doo

        There is nothing ‘educated’ about medical researcher status – any dick can tick boxes and lick ass. By advanced do you mean you get to pork the boss or does the boss pork you?

    • caughtinthemiddle

      Ah yes, such a one-sided reputable website. Good research, next read up about non-white races on the KKK site.

      • Winter Hope

        You’re definitely”caught in the middle” of something. Go ahead, see if I care. Vaccinate your children. They’re blood is on your hands! Say goodnight gracie! Hasta!

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Postlicensure safety surveillance for quadrivalent human papillomavirus recombinant vaccine.
          AU
          Slade BA, Leidel L, Vellozzi C, Woo EJ, Hua W, Sutherland A, Izurieta HS, Ball R, Miller N, Braun MM, Markowitz LE, Iskander J

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  • Kerry Kolsch

    The problem with yo debunking the danger of Gardasil is that the whole damn system is corrupt. You studies about safety are from interested parties or those with a conflict of interest. All I have to know is that the CDC pushed this drug through and the US government is part owner of the patient to know that the vaccine is a dangerous money making scam. Julie Gerberding who was in charge of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) from 2002 to 2009, which includes the years the FDA approved the Merck Gardasil vaccine. When Gerberding took over the CDC she replaced much of the staff with those who had ties to drug manufacturers. Gerberding resigned from the CDC on January 20, 2009, and took over as the president of Merck’s Vaccine division, a 5 billion dollar a year operation, and the supplier of the largest number of vaccines the CDC recommends. Gerberding, now the executive vice president of pharmaceutical giant Merck, sold 38,368 of her shares in Merck stock for $2,340,064.32. She still holds 31,985 shares of the company’s stock, valued at about $2 million. What do you think about government employees selling out the American public for big bucks?

    • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

      The market cap for Merck is $164 Billion (that’s billion). So, if anything you say is true, she owns approximately .01% of the company. Yeah, she controls it. You must have flunked simple math and corporate finance.

      I know your Burger King job makes it appear that 2.3 million is a big deal. It’s kind of sad that you aren’t as smart or ambitious or educated as Dr. Gerberding. I’m sorry for you. Can I give you a couple of shares of stock so that you can feed your lazy intellect? I’m serious, I’m here to help.

      • Diddly doo

        “I’m sorry for you. Can I give you a couple of shares of stock so that
        you can feed your lazy intellect? I’m serious, I’m here to help.” Septic shares

        There you go, you shut up and Septic Rantor will buy you off with shares in the vaccine. You see it’s instinctive, he just can’t help it.

  • Heather Sunshine Rivera

    I am a skeptical parent. I am not part of the anti-vaccine movement, I truly believe many vaccines save lives. However with Gardasil, I am skeptical. I am equally uninformed. If I search the internet, I will find an article to support whatever I want to believe so I truly don’t know what to believe about Gardasil. I have friends who are convinced Gardasil is a major contributing factor to autoimmune diseases that would otherwise lay dormant. I have heard that Gardasil contains aluminum which is found to cause cancer. I have heard lots of terrible things. I have also heard good things and your particular article is very well written and has definitely swayed my thinking. It is hard to know what is the right thing to do for your child. Every parent wants only the best life for their kids and I think many of the non-vaccinators are concerned about long term effects versus effectiveness of the vaccines. Gardasil scares me because I don’t know enough truth about it. And I really have lost a lot of trust in our government run healthcare agencies, or in BIG pharm studies for that matter. I wish there were more non-biased, scientifically based studies that gave details on effectiveness and adverse reactions to Gardasil. Like I said before, I have looked and I can find articles supporting all difference sides of this issue. I particularly liked yours and all the back up you provided (not just hearsay).

    • Diddly doo

      “I truly believe many vaccines save lives. However with Gardasil, I am skeptical.”

      You have to get past the ‘belief’ and really read up on this Heather, we used to believe butter healed burns and that the earth was the center of the universe. Seriously this site is not a place for facts and science, it is a brawling patch for failed gamers.

    • Katia

      Snort! “I’m not anti-vax but. . . “

    • Mike Stevens

      Perhaps reading the information on this site will make you better informed then.
      Happy reading, hope you learn something from your time here.

    • Baby Blues

      I survived cervical cancer, a cancer that I would have avoided had this vaccine been available. There are as many as 13 types of HPV linked to cervical cancer.. Mine was linked to 70% of cervical cancers. I hope you can find the answers you need. My child and all of her friends have been vaccinated, no ill affects beyond site of injection soreness. I hope you find the answers you need.

    • VikingAPRNCNP

      See my previous post.

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  • Carlie Adams

    Hi. I just wanted to say thank you for writing this and including so many links. This post has really helped me. I was a preteen when Gardasil came out and my mother refused to allow me to get it because she didn’t trust its safety and “you shouldn’t be thinking about sex yet anyway,” but I recently turned eighteen and can now make the decision for myself. I’ve had a ton of trouble making this decision because I’ve heard so many frightening things about Gardasil and there’s so much information out there that it just gets overwhelming trying to separate fact from fiction. I came very close to letting the misinformation and uncertainty about Gardasil scare me into not getting it before I found this post (and your blog in general). But after reading this and all of the linked sources I’ve decided that I will definitely be getting it ASAP and am confident in that decision. I’m actually kind of ashamed that I let those myths scare me because I like to think I’m generally a science-minded person…but anyway, thank you so much for helping me make the choice to protect myself. I’ll be sharing this post with all of my friends as many of them weren’t allowed to get the shots when they were younger either.

    • Diddly doo

      I’m actually kind of ashamed that I let those myths scare me because I like to think I’m generally a science-minded person…” unreal

      Are you one of those people SR calls in to support his flagging market share, how can you read this thread and make any kind of decision?

      Oh well, natural selection and all that………….

      • Carlie Adams

        Lol I just saw this. What’s unreal about it? I read this article and then made a decision because it cited its sources and linked to reputable info that allowed me to make an informed decision for myself. I wasn’t hired by anyone or whatever you’re trying to imply. I’m an 18 year old girl who typed “gardasil” into google. By the way, I’ve since gotten the first shot in the series and seen no ill effects besides a mildly sore arm for one day.

        So you’re one of those people who randomly decided you’re smarter than all doctors and therefore don’t need to protect yourself (or anyone around you) from preventable, deadly diseases, right? Natural selection, indeed.

        • Diddly doo

          Hi Carlie. If this is the site you came to and made a decision I guess that’s what being 18 is all about. The reputable info you seem to have found! Maybe that is how the youth of today think they are making decisions – google it and pick. You are unfortunately one of those teenagers who thinks just because they can google they are somehow on the pulse and informed. You are the kind of girly who probably think a big Mac is food.

          NIce appeal to emotion Carlie.

          • Carlie Adams

            Hi Condescending Geezer. Listen, I know the mindset that millennials are mindless idiots is really important to some people but the “youth of today” have had the internet since we were toddlers. I’ve been seeking out information and identifying which sources are credible and which ones are bullshit since kindergarten and yes, google is one tool that can be used for that if you know how to analyze the results. For example, I can tell that an anecdotal article titled “Gardasil: The Decision We Will Always Regret” posted only on a site called “healthimpactnews” and citing no sources is not credible. I can also tell that this blog, being a blog, wouldn’t be credible either if it didn’t provide links to actual studies and sources, but it does so I know it’s a good resource to help with decision making. Did I lose you? I imagine that trolling a comments section for months on top of trying to balance feeling superior to all doctors and scientists, all young people and people who use google, AND all people who eat fast food probably leaves your mind a bit jumbled. I’m trying not to use too many big words.

            Thank you for informing me what kind of teenager I am. To answer your question, a Big Mac is indeed food – very unhealthy food that tastes gross, but food nonetheless and food some people don’t have a choice about eating because it’s cheap and not everyone can afford that superior-judgmental-organic-hippy-vegan vibe that all anti-vax internet trolls seem to give off.

            And don’t call me a “girly” you creep.

      • VikingAPRNCNP

        Raptor please ban him….he is trolling ….

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  • mikeh

    Raptor, excellent blog post. Didn’t immediately spot this in the post above, and really can’t be bothered to wade through the 265 comments to see, but this is another recent review about safety of HPV, which states exactly what you’d expect

    http://journals.lww.com/pidj/Abstract/publishahead/An_Overview_of_Quadrivalent_Human_Papillomavirus.97694.aspx

    I’ve had a read through the full paper, all interesting stuff. Here is the results section from the abstract

    “We present a summary of the published, post-licensure safety data from active and passive surveillance. Only syncope, and possibly skin infections were associated with vaccination in the post-licensure setting. Serious adverse events such as adverse pregnancy outcomes, autoimmune diseases (including Guillain-Barre Syndrome and multiple sclerosis), anaphylaxis, venous thromboembolism, and stroke, were extensively studied, and no increase in the incidence of these events was found compared with background rates.”

    • Coincidentally, I just wrote an article about it. 🙂 But thanks!

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  • TellItAsIs99

    State(SB277) and a Federal bill out of Florida are now being introduced to coerce parents into given dangerous vaccines to their kids or be denied school access. These coerced vaccination bills will be legally challenged all the way to the Supreme Court if necessary.
    Some vaccines shots contain toxic mercury and many vaccines contain toxic adjuvants such as aluminum to stimulate immune reaction. Vaccine supporters also fail to mention that because of better nutrition, sanitation, hygiene and hospital care that deaths from infectious diseases all but disappeared before the first measles vaccine was given in 1963. Supporters also do not mention that vaccines rates were well under 90%, the so called herd immunity minimum rate, in many parts of the country in the 1960s to 80s without any major outbreaks of diseases that the vaccines are claimed to protect against.
    Big pharma funded test trials and financing to politicians, the FDA and medical advisory committees have created just another marketing group. Vaccines are not guaranteed to be either safe or effective and vaccine companies are protected from law suits by the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act. They know their vaccines cause harm and even death but don’t know which children are at risk; see the HRSA vaccine injury table list.
    A well nourished child with a healthy immune system will fight off most infectious diseases and in the rare case of measles the child will have life-time immunity after recovery without taking the risk of toxic vaccines some of which require later booster shots. Vaccines are a decision that must remain with the parents.
    Corporate interests have also lead to other controversial deadly treatments drugs. The highly deadly mandatory clot-buster TPA drug given in the ER for a non-life threatening moderate ischemic stroke has a history of deadly failed test trials and controversial if any benefit modest benefit. This stealth euthanasia drug is now starting to be delievered to home’s after the 911 call. Search: AAEM TPA position, The NNT TPA stroke, or in ER emergency blogs or http://www.stroketreatmentrisktpa.co.nf for the stroke TPA drug controversy.

    • States don’t create “Federal Bills.” At that point, it’s obvious that you’re cutting and pasting crap from a website, and you really have no clue about what you write.

    • MKE gal

      “Some vaccines shots {sic} contain toxic mercury and many vaccines contain
      toxic adjuvants such as aluminum to stimulate immune reaction”
      .
      First off, very very few vaccines still contain thimerosol. The ones for children don’t, and haven’t for years. Also, any single-dose vaccine doesn’t need preservatives.
      Secondly, thimerosol isn’t the bad mercury you think of coming from tuna, it’s a form that’s quickly excreted by the body, does not build up.
      Third, adjuvants allow using _LESS_ of a virus while still getting a strong immune response.

      .
      “A well nourished child with a healthy immune system will fight off most
      infectious diseases and in the rare case of measles the child will have
      life-time immunity after recovery without taking the risk of toxic
      vaccines some of which require later booster shots.”
      .
      WHY would you want a child to suffer through measles, mumps, diptheria, chickenpox, tetanus, etc. when there are safe, effective vaccines available and all they’d have to suffer is the momentary pain from an injection?
      Chickenpox can also resurface decades later (yes, even if a child lives through it) as shingles, which is very painful. Why would you put a person through that just because of your mistaken understanding of science?
      It’s cruel to put anyone through the pain, discomfort, and potential lifelong problems (or death) which come with vaccine-preventable diseases.
      (As a personal example, I’m old enough that I was vaccinated for smallpox. I would be again, given the choice. Yes, I have a small scar on my arm, but it’s nothing compared to dying, or the full-body scars that could result from infection, or blindness, etc.)
      .
      The reason all children should be vaccinated is for public health.
      Not having your child vaccinated should be prosecuted as child abuse (unless there’s a documented allergy to one of the components, or you’re going to keep the child out of society its whole life, which is also cruel).

    • Sandy Perlmutter

      Go ahead, don’t give your kid all the vaccinations that would prevent serious illnesses, because of your “sincere belief” about every damn thing you read on the internet. Keep being paranoid about “big pharma”. Just don’t let your kid come in contact with our immune-suppressed kids or with us. You can abuse your own “property” all you want until Protective Services comes for you. Good luck with your kid fighting off polio, whooping cough, and chicken pox. And don’t forget the shingles vaccination for post-chicken-pox — oh, you don’t “believe” in those either. Jesus is gonna save you.

      • marusya

        Did you get all the vaccinations they are giving kids today? I can tell you from personal experience that I had confirmed pertussus post vaccination and confirmed measles post vaccination. I also had chicken pox not having been vaccinated for it and it was the mildest of my childhood illnesses. I have a close relative with partial paralysis in one arm from polio, her being the only one of 5 siblings that got polio with symptoms. And on the other hand my mother went to medical school with someone who had the same partial paralysis in one arm after a polio vaccine. So don’t make vaccines the holy grail. There are many unanswered questions. Read Dr. Hadwen. The anti-vaccine movement did not appear out of thin air. Many parents in this movement used to be pro vaccine. There is no smoke without fire.

        • Sandy Perlmutter

          Anecdotes are not data. The parents in the anti-vax movement are just “Believers” – not scientifically oriented. Nobody is interested in the holy grail, which is, of course, a religious reference. The world is full of unanswered questions, but many of the questions are nonsense. Each person’s immune system is a little different or we wouldn’t be here, but I for one am deeply grateful for the Salk vaccine I got back in the Fifties. We didn’t have any of the other vaccinations. I got chicken pox and measles and was very ill. I recently got the shingles vaccination, because I can; one of my friend was unable to have it because he has a kidney transplant, and he has horrible shingles. These are also anecdotes. I vote for data because I live in science.

          • marusya

            And yet your life in science did not prevent you from presenting anecdotal evidence from your life as well as your friend’s…

            • Sandy Perlmutter

              As I said, these are anecdotes. I never said they take the place of science. I was merely pointing out that we all have anecdotes. We are still obligated to use our brains. “Belief” is not using our brains. We are able to draw inferences from statistics now that we have access to them; there were thousands of years when all we had were anecdotes. It is natural to go with our most primitive feelings — but it isn’t intelligent.

    • Concerned

      I invite you to get close to some wild reserves of polio, unvaccinated, and tell us how you happily fought it off after, to prove your point. Ok? No? Then go away with your bullcrap.

  • worrierking

    I know a few people, vehemently against vaccines. Each one is as dumb as a stump and usually believes every report of miracle cures, weeping and/or bleeding statues and “Alternative cures” for cancer and other horrible diseases. I’m not saying that this is anything other than anecdotal but it does make me wonder.

    • There is an overlap in the Venn diagrams of anti-science beliefs. So, your anecdotes approach scientific evidence in quality.

      • MKE gal

        Sadly, a link to this post (“gardisil is safe” info) was posted in a facebook thread on a Mensa members-only page… because someone had posted a shock/schlock piece from “healthimpactnews.com” about a piece “TV2 Denmark” supposedly did outing the ‘facts’ about a 2.5% serious complication rate from gardisil, which was being covered up by several governments.

        So while scientific illiteracy (and strong belief in religion) may tend to go with a low IQ, it’s not exclusive to the lower-bell-curve set.

  • JerseyFresh

    I found your blog recently when a friend suggested there “needed to be more research” on Gardisil. I googled “is Gardisil safe” and your site came up. Thanks for compiling so much great information. What you’re doing is very important.

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  • alicja1977

    Got a new one for you…

    Danish documentary about the HPV vaccine: http://healthimpactnews.com/2015/tv2-denmark-documentary-on-hpv-vaccine-shows-lives-of-young-women-ruined/

    What’s going on with this sh**?

  • TellItAsIs99

    Some vaccines shots contain toxic mercury and many vaccines contain toxic adjuvants such as aluminum to stimulate immune reaction. Vaccine supporters also fail to mention that because of better sanitation, hygiene and hospital care that deaths from infectious diseases all but disappeared before the first vaccine was given in 1963. Supporters also do not mention that vaccines rates were well under 90%, the so called herd immunity minimum rate, in many parts of the country in the 1960s to 80s without any major outbreaks of diseases that the vaccines are claimed to protect against.
    Big pharma funded test trials and financing to politicians, the FDA and medical advisory committees have created just another marketing group. Vaccines are not guaranteed to be either safe or effective and vaccine companies are protected from law suits by the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act. They know their vaccines cause harm and even death but don’t know which children are at risk; see the HRSA vaccine injury table list.
    A well nourished child with a healthy immune system will fight off most infectious diseases and in the rare case of measles the child will have life-time immunity after recovery without taking the risk of toxic vaccines some of which require later booster shots. Vaccines are
    a decision that must remain with the parents.
    Big pharma interests have also lead to other controversial deadly treatments drugs. The highly deadly mandatory clot-buster TPA drug given in the ER for a non-life threatening moderate ischemic stroke has a history of deadly failed test trials and controversial if any benefit modest benefit. This stealth euthanasia drug is now starting to be delievered to home’s after the 911 call. Search: AAEM TPA position, The NNT TPA stroke, or in ER emergency blogs or http://www.stroketreatmentrisktpa.co.nf for the stroke TPA drug controversy.

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  • JMS

    Two studies I’ve read indicate possibilities of long term genotype replacement, with vaccinated girls coming out at increased risk of infection. Worrying. Considering Gardasil 9 – but clinical trials done with no real control group, only compared with Gardasil HPV4. Don’t understand why. Comments/info appreciated, thankyou.

    • JMS

      Actually, having read Mr/Ms Raptor’s scathing responses to anyone who isn’t in the vaccination ‘just do it’ camp I withdraw my enquiry. (Despite my concerns being based on published scientific evidence). I’d like impartial information, but I now see I’m just in real danger of being called a ‘dumbass’ because I’ve asked a perfectly valid question.

      • MKE gal

        No, but you can answer your own question by reading the mass of studies linked at the end of the blog post… all of which show that your concern is without merit.
        Most are large studies, some went for many years with large cohorts.

        • JMS

          I’ve read quite enough studies to be legitimately concerned thank you.

          • Please provide us with photos of that Nobel Prize you have. Cause it’s funny how brilliant you think you are.

            See Dunning Kruger. Done.

            • JMS

              The response of a child. Are you accusing me of arrogance ? You, a self styled, self promoting, self appointed guru of medicine who makes it his/her business to tell others what to think? Seriously? And if the pharma companies are beyond reproach why do you feel the need to defend them?

            • Mike Stevens

              Tell us why genotype replacement is felt to be a problem here then.
              If someone said you must climb into a cage with a tabby cat, because they had no tigers left, would you be worried?

            • JMS

              If someone was selling you a car and told you it would work somewhere between 50 and 70% of the time would you buy it?

        • JMS

          Ps do you do patronizing for a living or do you perhaps naively think industry sponsored studies are really telling you the whole story and that anyone who is capable of independent thought and asking questions is an idiot?

          • Here’s how it works JMS. Bring evidence in the form of well researched, peer-reviewed papers with large study populations. If you don’t, and make dumbass statements, then we get to mock you. It’s that simple. Let me repeat, if you don’t have evidence, then man-up and accept that you will not be treated with respect.

  • TellItAsIs99

    Some vaccines shots contain toxic mercury and many vaccines contain toxic adjuvants such as aluminum to stimulate immune reaction. Vaccine supporters also fail to mention that because of better sanitation, hygiene and hospital care that deaths from infectious diseases all but disappeared before the first vaccine was given in 1963. Supporters also do not mention that vaccines rates were well under 90%, the so called herd immunity minimum rate, in many parts of the country in the 1960s to 80s without any major outbreaks of diseases that the vaccines are claimed to protect against.
    Big pharma funded test trials and financing to politicians, the FDA and medical advisory committees have created just another marketing group. Vaccines are not guaranteed to be either safe or effective and vaccine companies are protected from law suits by the 1986 Vaccine Injury Act. They know their vaccines cause harm and even death but don’t know which children are at risk; see the HRSA vaccine injury table list.
    A well nourished child with a healthy immune system will fight off most infectious diseases and in the rare case of measles the child will have life-time immunity after recovery without taking the risk of toxic vaccines some of which require later booster shots. Vaccines are
    a decision that must remain with the parents.
    Big pharma interests have also lead to other controversial deadly treatments drugs. The highly deadly mandatory clot-buster TPA drug given in the ER for a non-life threatening moderate ischemic stroke has a history of deadly failed test trials and controversial if any benefit modest benefit. Search: AAEM TPA position, The NNT TPA stroke, or in ER emergency blogs or http://www.stroketreatmentrisktpa.co.nf for the stroke TPA drug controversy.

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  • wzrd1

    Those who have read my comments elsewhere know that I’m vehemently pro-vaccination. But, in the case of Gardasil, I’m positively militant.
    I lost my favorite aunt to cervical cancer, contracted via cervical warts. Her husband was a merchant marine, who lived the stereotype of the sailor. Hard drinking in port and some marital fidelity issues as well. So, it’s well understood where she contracted the cervical warts from.
    So, when I read of a 38% reduction in neoplasms in women infected with HPV, I was shocked to consider the number of women who will avoid cervical cancer!
    Further, efficacy was around 16/18, which is unbelievable in a first generation vaccine!

  • Jeliwobble

    Thank you for the quality information about Gardisil. I had heard a lot of unsubstantiated rubbish from the pro-disease lobby and I wanted to read some *actual* research before I let my high schooler get it. I am happy that the genuine scientific research has shown that it is safe and she will be getting it in her next physical. I wish that you wouldn’t let the disgraceful pro-disease shills post comment on your blog though. I am lucky that I have a high level of science education to be able to weed out the wheat from the chaff, but there are plenty of worried mothers out there who haven’t and might be swayed by the continual posting of fear-mongering pro-disease misinformation.

    • wzrd1

      I like that moniker, “pro-disease lobby”, I’m going to shamelessly steal it. 😉

      BTW, Wikipedia has quite a good article on Gardasil. I know the work of the editors, who are medical professionals and the citations are worthy of reading alongside of the article.
      But then, my preferred usage of Wikipedia is to find good citations, remove lousy ones, tack on “citation needed” when required and remove unsourced nonsense in a New York minute. 😉

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  • Rudeforthought

    Not everybody in the regulatory industry is as enamored with these vaccinations as you appear to be. A vaccine slotted for universal application requires the most strident attention as the scale of administration is absolutely enormous. A clinical study with fewer than 1,500 participants in its target demographic prior to market simply cannot determine the safety or efficacy of a drug slotted for larger, especially ubiquitous application, and it’s folly to pretend it can. A 1/1,000,000 SAE/Death per dose ratio leaves 170 people dead in the US. That’s not small potatoes and Hippocrates would have a problem with putting these lives on the line to secure marginal immunity against a sexually transmitted illness (considering the CDC doesn’t even have good causal links between HPV and a lot of cancers, using words like probably), especially when we have other ways of combatting it.

    The reason HPV vaccines are treated as an inevitability and their critics lampooned has far more to do with the political implications of opposing women’s lib than anything else. When a species needs to devote this much time and energy into insulating itself from the natural spread of disease that results from promiscuity rather than addressing the root of the problem is hysterical. And no, I’m not excited about GSK’s crack at the problem either. We’ll see if they’re standing tall when they come out of post-marketing.

    Additionally, I find it quite telling that you don’t think distributors count as “inside information” despite the fact they are audited in the CMC portion of a drug submission (and failure could jeopardize the results of the study) and use this poison-the-well fallacy to dismiss the accusations related to that point out of hat coupled with your decision to ignore court-findings you don’t like because they contradict your beliefs and instead defaulting to a wall of copypasta. If anybody in the comments is medicinally illiterate, I’d like to confirm, yes the person who runs this blog appears to let his/her politics lead his/her conclusions. No, don’t take his/her credentials on authority. There are people in the drug industry (like me, for one) who think he/she is dangerously wrong, at least with regards to HPV vaccines. I’d encourage you all to brush up on the broad structure of the medical industry in the US such as blinded or randomized studies, eCTDs (electronic common technical documents) and their modules, and study phases. All of this and more is on fda.gov. You don’t have to be an industry veteran to be able to understand the results.

    • You failed mathematics, didn’t you? It would be impossible to distinguish a 1 in 1 million change in mortality rate from any treatment without looking at 100 million people, and even then it would be impossible to statistically distinguish it from all other mortality causes. You could not possibly show causality you ignorant dumbass.

      Furthermore, HPV is solidly linked with cancers you dumbass. Just because you don’t understand the nuance of science, doesn’t give you the right to come here and show us your stupidity, ignorance, and outright lies.

      I haven’t read so much lying since the Republicans took over Congress.

      • Rudeforthought

        it would be impossible to statistically distinguish it from all other mortality causes

        Do you even work in the drug industry? Serious Adverse Events are all exhaustively studied and classified as to whether the drug had an exacerbatory role in the event. And a lack of information as to the safety of the drug is not an argument for its implementation. It’s an argument against it. The drug’s safety and efficacy must be positively established.

        Furthermore, HPV is solidly linked with cancers you dumbass

        Solidly? When the CDC uses words like “probably” it means they don’t have very firm causal evidence. We don’t have concrete means of tying the vaccine to saving lives. End of story.

        Just because you don’t understand the nuance of science, doesn’t give you the right to come here and show us your stupidity, ignorance, and outright lies.

        I haven’t read so much lying since the Republicans took over Congress.

        You’re a charlatan, and I doubt you’ve ever had any actual experience in the drug industry, except maybe marketing (which is thoroughly outside qualifications to comment as an “industry insider”). Your desperation (displayed by your slipping into ad hominems) shows you have no idea what you’re talking about. You’re purely a political shill.

        • Diws

          Devastating.

          • Yeah. In it’s shear stupidity.

            • Diws

              Don’t get me wrong – I do think that debunking pseudoscience is a valuable public service, but your above reaction to his well-reasoned critique of your stance is unworthy of you if indeed you are committed to exposing pseudoscience in an impartial manner. But the tone and substance of your retorts are partisan in the extreme, which leads me to question your credibility.

              Where Gardasil is concerned, it is undeniable that the public push to encourage, and even mandate its use is at least in part politically motivated. We are living in an era of unusual distrust of people towards the government, and also of unusual individual entitlement, which does often lead to the ‘If I feel it then it must be true’ fallacy, to be sure. This drives much of the general anti-vaccination mindset.

              I am on the fence about the efficiacy of Gardasil, and would welcome a robust debate here. But you and your supporters here seem to just want to shout down any dissenters. Rude’s 1st argument above seems pretty credible to me, and deserves a serious treatment without the ad hominems.

            • You and I differ on what “well-reasoned” is. Dumbass is trying to invent a seriously weak mathematical argument that is based on the logical fallacy of the Argument from Ignorance. A well named logical fallacy, the debater’s ignorance, that if I can’t prove it is perfectly safe then it must be unsafe, is what religions and liars use.

              There is no “debate” about Gardasil. That’s using a false balance approach that I find to be a farce. We have thousands of researchers over on this side, who speak to the safety and effectiveness of Gardasil. And we have a couple of lunatic voices over there. That’s not a debate.

              There is only evidence. If you reject the evidence, then tell me why? Did you get off your fat lazy ass and get a Ph.D. in one of the key fields of vaccine research? Like epidemiology, virology, microbiology, immunology, biochemistry? Something? And after you got off your fat ass did you publish? Are you an authority that thinks a debate actually exists?

              You’re like the global warming and evolution deniers. Pretend there’s a debate, and pretend to be all scientific. But you’re just a pseudoscience lazy fat ass who never has done a stitch of real science, but thinks he’s smarter than everyone else.

              You bore me. Go away, find someplace else to troll with your lies and pretend to be all science-y. You’ll find no interest here.

            • wzrd1

              Sorry, sir, but you screwed the pooch.
              I noticed the “seriously weak mathematical argument” and I’m infamously mathematically challenged. My approximation skills are far from challenged.

              You detonated, upon a finest hair trigger than I’ve detonated upon on the net and once, at a greater cost in personal contact in a war zone.
              The results were not and are not pretty by far.
              There is no *real* debate upon the vaccine, the numbers prove it.
              Your premature detonation, rather than sweep aside the idiocy via facts, which is what attracted me to your site, was absent.
              I know of pride, I know of stubbornness and I know of he refusal to let go a decision. Some of those events cost lives or bodily usage.

              Because, I’ve largely removed emotional triggers from interaction.
              Do you want to know what *I* want to do, after interacting with these defects of intellect of humanity?
              I *honestly* want to drive one of my fighting knives down through the mid-shoulder-neck region into their subclavian and twist to let air in.
              Yes, I’ve done that and worse.
              I’ve done even worse, in military service to my nation.
              I’m far from proud of it, but it is what it is, when I’ve lost my temper and refused to lift and adjust fire.
              Frankly, you caught me at a hair trigger, so you’re getting one out of two barrels. That is due to loss of rest and sleep, courtesy of my wife’s current dire medical condition.
              I will suggest one thing, *every* one of my commanders said one thing of me, “Dude, I’m *glad* you’re on *our* side. What angered me was my failing to communicate as I’ve done every other time before. I lost it, people died unnecessarily. That can be true for you as well, as you turn them away by you diatribe, rather than factual weapons of mass education.
              Currently, I feel embarrassed for you.

              I’d hammer the nail more home, but it’s insanely “late” for me, as I’m third shift in a government security operations center. A shift I accepted, but still do not enjoy. But then, I’m getting older.

            • Sandy Perlmutter

              You are evidently an ex-military bully who is out of control and in need of medication. See if you can find some help at the VA.

            • Dealing with this guy takes too much energy. He epitomizes the Dunning-Kruger effect. This in and of itself wouldn’t be so bad if it weren’t for the fact that his ego makes up for his lack of knowledge. If you disagree with him, he’ll just revert to 4th grader mode and come up with a “witty” insult.

              One thing with Rude’s argument is that it’s true that safety needs to be taken into account, and believe me, I advocate far more research into the safety of vaccines. But the risk-reward factor does have to be taken into account as well. Unfortunately that’s kind of a philosophical debate. Do we risk one adverse reaction even if it means saving a lot of lives from the disease itself?

            • wzrd1

              For a good example of early risk-reward that would still be accepted today, review the morbidity and mortality rates for the smallpox vaccine and the morbidity and mortality rate of smallpox and realize that smallpox was ubiquitous.
              The note when the vaccine was withdrawn from public usage.

            • It will take some time to compile information on smallpox. I’ve focused most of my research on pertussis and measles.

            • wzrd1

              I will conditionally agree. However, I’m also intimately familiar with “loosing my cool”.
              On the internet, it’s a gaffe or loss of a fuse. In the military, it did indeed cost lives.
              My men had a far lower loss in numbers, but due to my losing my cool, far too many that might have remained peaceful died.
              My second worse recurrent nightmare.

        • I’m a janitor in Big Pharma. I look at the stats thrown in the garbage, then I use it to wipe my nose. I think I’ve learned a lot.

          But at least I’m not a close-minded ignorant little dumbass who really has no clue what he’s saying. There is boatloads of evidence that shows NO serious adverse events, unless you count girls fainting when they see the needle (apparently a major issue).

          Science uses nuanced words, which actually require an IQ above my cat’s to understand. You don’t. Why bother discussing nuance with a close-minded Republican like yourself.

          Quit trolling here. Go get a kiss from mercola and wakefield, true murderers who think like you.

          • wzrd1

            For morons like the above, I suggest discussing NSAIDs that are no longer available, due to their being removed from the pharmacopeia for cause.

            Meanwhile, vaccines, which are administered nearly as cheaply and less often, remain, while the near similar in price NSAIDs were removed from the market, despite thousands of times more profit available.

            Or as a conspiracy theorist would say, “They kept the small potatoes to throw away the gold bars”.

          • adaokiebird

            Skeptical Raptor: I DO appreciate your writings except for the name calling. It really detracts from your legitimacy and makes you come off as a political shill.

            • It’s my style. It’s what I do. There are nice nice nice websites for teaching about vaccines. That’s not me.

              This website is in like the top 30 of skeptics websites. Why? Because my audience really are the ones who find science deniers to be worthy of mocking.

              There are nice people who are put off. But there are others who communicate to them better.

              Think of it another way. Who would read me or anyone, if we all wrote the same way on the same topics?

      • wzrd1

        As much as I hate to unwillingly provide ammunition for idiots, I do know of one vaccine that did indeed negatively impact a bit above the one in one million number.
        The smallpox vaccine.
        Considering the mortality and morbidity rate from that scourge of humanity, that is still good public health mathematics.
        We still see deleterious effects from that vaccine, largely in the military. Fortunately, the military spearheaded two rather highly effective treatment regimes for the several typically mortal unintended results of exposure to the vaccine.
        And of course, it was withdrawn quickly once the disease was extinct in the wild.

        Still, if smallpox wasn’t a rare lab curiosity and still edemic, I’d still line up my wife, myself, my children and our grandchildren for the vaccine. The risk still would be unacceptable.

        • MKE gal

          I was vaccinated for smallpox as a child, and would be re-vaccinated tomorrow if it were offered to me, no hesitation at all.
          Most of the people who survived (up to 30% died) were scarred for life, some ‘only’ with whole-body skin scars, some went blind, some deaf.
          I’d rather have a small scar on the back of one arm.

          • wzrd1

            I’ve been vaccinated for smallpox three times in my life, once as a child, twice in the military.
            I’m leery of using that vaccine without a decent reason for it, such as deploying to regions where various other related pox viruses are endemic, due to the much, much higher risk of deleterious effects. Service members have been known to die from those effects, although there is now an experimental treatment that has shown great efficacy for those service members or their families who contracted vaccinia and had effects that were formerly a death sentence.
            That vaccine was indeed one of the most dangerous vaccines to ever exist and remains so, it was found acceptable because smallpox had a 35% morbidity and mortality rate.
            I much prefer our current vaccines, with their vanishingly low deleterious effects rate.

      • Science NEEDS GOOD EXPLANATIONS. UNDERLYING PHYSICAL PRINCIPLES WHICH EXPLIAN CORRELATIONS. THE SHEER AMOUNT OF STUDIES MEANS FUCK ALL IF THEY ONLY MEASURE EFFECTS AND DESCRIBE.

  • Boris Ogon

    Hey, @lowellhubbs:disqus, just one question: How does it feel to have v’JJ basically declare that you’re too incompetent to defend yourself?

    • kellymbray

      Wait…what? Elaborate please, I need a laugh.

      • Boris Ogon

        JeffyJon Mustumhide* banned me from VacTwoof for noting Lodwill’s prisoner number after Mr. Sudds had declared (in internal speech phraseology) that it had never happened, because, said Memories of Hair Gel, “TOS.”

        This of course contradicts the fundamental claim, and I Twattered the screen shots regarding the imaginary rules back to him, but the fact of the matter is that Jeffy is a dishonest chickenshit and in such pathetic straits as to be protecting Mr. Sudds from himself.

        I get the impression that the truly incompetent are more and more reduced to weird mutual exchanges of indignation over there in lieu of yet again trotting their shit out in anything resembling a public forum.

        * To wit.

  • First Officer

    A lot of people opposing this vaccine do so because it takes some of the physical danger out of sex, particularly casual sex. In effect, they want sex to have dangers so they can keep saying there are dangers, even if it this cancer kills 250,000 people a year.

    • I’d need to see some research about that. I know that some people play Russian Roulette with HIV or guns, but I don’t think it’s a huge number of people.

    • wzrd1

      While our daughters are now adult, *we*, based upon results would anoint them with the oils of vaccination.

      But then, I’m a pedantic asshole and enforces health in the family, in case one diverges into the land of glandular stupidome.
      One remains entirely in that land, but she suffers from .
      Does *any* want to play this game? I was an SF medic, with interest in OB/GYN. Do you *honestly* want to play this delicate game?

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  • notation

    You don’t see much, do you? Too bad you don’t see how many down-votes you’ve gotten, twerp.

  • Trolls down vote or report the content. Thank you troll.

    • Marrena

      You’re welcome

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  • In have worked with cancer patients for 4 decades. Having seen first hand the misery and disfigurement in hundreds of
    patients affected by viral induced cancers; cancer of cervix, anus and head and neck
    cancers; it is unbelievable that there is such resistance to this
    vaccination. The many hundreds refers to those who were positively diagnosed with HPV – there are likely thousands that were never tested as the testing was not done in past years and research into the viral causes of cancer received little attention until recently.Treatments to prolong life for those affected by virally induced cancers are drastic – far worse than a vaccination to prevent these types of cancers. If we don’t want to change sexual practices and we don’t want to educate to vaccinate – to prevent horrendous cancers in the future – then what is the suggestion. Ignore it? Drink more noni juice? I thought we were supposed be an evolving society!

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  • Landscutz
    • kfunk937

      Em, pretty anything on the interwebz with “truth” in the title is, well, not true. Also I’m shocked, shocked I tell you, that the comment section is closed at that link. Are they afraid of questions, incompetent, or just lazy?

      Countering your link with http://www.cdc.gov/hpv/vaccine.html

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  • Mike Stevens

    “Gardasil – the only cervical cancer vaccine” (not you, but the backdrop advert)
    Untrue. Over this side of the pond we use Cervarix.

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  • Johann Bruwer

    Wow you people are good sheep. Lambs to the slaughter house go take you little injection and don’t question the amount of people it kills. Bahhhh

    • Lawrence McNamara

      You know that a real intelligent person would ask the question & go find the evidence, but in this case, the evidence is clear – the vaccine is safe, effective and isn’t linked to what you “think” it is.

      • Johann Bruwer

        Okay then… only a couple of hundred people have died from it so far. And lots of people have become paralysed. And a whole list of other pretty serious adverse effects. I guess that makes it safe. Go for it!

        • Boris Ogon

          Okay then… only a couple of hundred people have died from it so far.

          ORLY? Here you go, Peaches. Now let’s see if you can figure out certain obvious patterns or whether your little sherson brain is too crammed with the moronic propaganda that you like to graze on to accomplish that task.

          • Johann Bruwer

            Why thank you for that. Several “obvious” patterns do emerge from those VAERS reporting results, 2 of which I found particularly interesting: 1. The report makes a very good case for the distinct possibility of death by blood clot following a Gardasil vaccination. 2. Every effort seems to have been made to not use wording of the original reports and to make the reports sound as implausible as possible by means of the report being written as the opinion of the person entering the report into the system and not the person reporting it. Bottom line is in no way can you say that those reports do not show a possibility of adverse effects from the vaccination. So why do you get so mad when people choose not to risk it in their bodies? It is clearly not entirely safe. I definitely believe that you could be full of shit.

            • Mike Stevens

              You do know that blood clots are not exactly rare in the population, and that there is a natural background mortality associated with them?
              You do know that there is this thing called “coincidence”, right?
              And you do know that if you see reports that people read the New York Times in the week before getting a blood clot, you can work out whether this coincidence or whether it is a significant risk by using this wonderful concept called mathematics?

            • Johann Bruwer

              Absolutely. But at some point even the maths will show that there are just too many coincidences. At a certain point you need to combine the math with common sense in order to derive a conclusion. And keep in mind that we both have to assume that not all cases across the world are being reported. I cannot really say it’s a killer BUT you cannot really tell me that it is safe either. So now I will use my common sense and you yours. Some will choose to take it and some will not.

            • Boris Ogon

              But at some point even the maths will show that there are just too many coincidences.

              Is that a psychic prediction, or are you going to show “the maths”?

            • Johann Bruwer

              Why don’t you show me the math by which you dismiss all of those 100 odd complaints as BS.

            • Lawrence McNamara

              Actually, given that several hundred thousand women (and men) were involved in the testing of the safety profile of the vaccine & during that time, no serious reactions were reported that were associated with the vaccine, I’d say you’re full of anti-vax crap.

            • Johann Bruwer

              yep, watch out I am a conspiracy theorist.

            • kellymbray

              We know.

            • km

              Several hundred thousand out 4 billion is a very small sample and the duration is way to short to see long term effects. This could have long term effect that may not show up for decades.maybe it will be safe bit get the long term days before you start pushing otbdown peoples throats.

            • wzrd1

              Funny, quite a few NSAID medications were withdrawn from the market after several hundred thousand patients used them. Didn’t even need a billion people.
              So much for “a very small sample”.

            • Boris Ogon

              What part of friend-of-a-friend-heard-something entries, hangings, preexisting heart disease, undiagnosed Type I diabetes, viral sepsis, and massive polysubstance abuse did you not understand?

            • Boris Ogon

              But, hey, who am I kidding? You’re obviously too dense or too much of lazy slob to do anything more than talk out of your ass, so here’s some “maths” on a silver platter.

            • Sandy Perlmutter

              This (“maths” link) is a very good article and only 15 pages. Here is some of the conclusion: “The goal of this review was to investigate the published scientific/medical literature to determine whether the oft repeated queries about HPV vaccination safety and efficacy have been examined. The rapidly growing body of research, including immunology, virology, public health, epidemiology and a number of other fields, can allow the whole community including doctors, medical researchers, parents and other interest groups to be more confident that the benefits of HPV vaccination far outweigh the risks and that mechanisms are in place to continue monitoring possible adverse events into the future.”

            • Mike Stevens

              What nonsense are you talking about. The math already demonstrates that the link represents nothing more than background noise; ie coincidence.
              You want we should wait longer, because “at some point the maths will show there are just too many coincidences”? On what basis do you make that claim? Your crystal ball?
              And when we wait another 10 years to show yet again that this is just coincidence (and another 240,000 people have developed HPV related cancer in the US while you have been twiddling your thumbs) are you going to say: “Well, let’s just wait a bit longer. I am sure the maths will show something, some time…”?

            • Johann Bruwer

              Nope all I am saying is stop spreading BS that the vaccine is totally safe as this article suggests and properly inform people of the risks – something that is not at all practiced. You are simply told by your physician that it is a good idea and 123 inject. I believe people should be told and even given the list of possible side effects and complaints and some time to decide for themselves. Most people don’t think about it because they are not being informed properly about what they are about to be given. I can find lots of articles talking about the dangers and you can site as many peer reviewed crap as you want. The bottom line is sometimes it does damage and people have the right to know that.

            • Mike Stevens

              I don’t know anything that is totally, 100% safe. Not vaccines, nothing.
              Do you?

              Do you place big warning signs posted on your front door, telling people how it isn’t safe to enter your house?
              Do you have hazard warnings plastered over your car, telling friends and family that it isn’t safe to take a ride with you?

              …Just wondering where your “safety” obsession stops…

            • notation

              He should. He’s a contagion in and of himself. Ignorance and stupidity are contagious.

            • Do you ever contribute anything regarding the actual issues of the debate, and/or are you ever capable of anything put forth but a juvenile level of personal attacks and distractions? How impressive.

            • km

              The math has sample is to small. Until it has more testing and longer exams after exposure we will not know just how safe it is. The sample size and duration are the determing factors. This is not something that can De rushed.

            • Mike Stevens

              As of 2012 there had been 35 million doses of Gardasil given in the US. The number is probably double that now.

              Is that a big enough sample size for you?
              If you like we can start adding in other countries too…

            • km

              Still a very small number out of 4 billion. That aside the duration of the testing is far too short. We need to see what happens 2-3 generations to know if there are any side effects passed on or possibly cancer causing in other areas. Science is not a process to be rushed. Anyone who claims this is safe after such a short stint is bougt and paid for . People like you need to go back to Dom and do as y I u are told without risking other people’s health.

            • Mike Stevens

              4 billion what?

              You suggest that before any drug is declared safe, it has to be tested on 4 billion people? And testing for 10 years is “too short”?
              Seriously?

              Ahhh…”Science is not to be rushed”, I understand. You are still seeking treatments like bleeding and cupping, while the alchemists complete their trials on another few million peasants or so.

            • But you have no actual data on in how many of those Gardasil doses did a young woman in the prime of her life become disabled due to an unrecovered from Gardasil vaccine injury. Nor do you have any data on the number of actual deaths due to Gardasil there have been. You simply deny there has been any harm done at all. To you it is all so proven benefit; when actually that benefit has been majorly over-hyped; the risks denied; and again all for large profits.

              Gardasil: A Deadly Vaccine
              http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/gardasil-a-deadly-vaccine-gary-null-phd/#.VGcEqvnF_bY

            • lilady R.N.

              Another crank website.

            • Someone tell the Raptor his patient has escaped his padded cell and gotten ahold of another asylum computer.

            • lilady R.N.

              You have to learn to ignore the old drunk, bicycle thief, conspiracist and convicted felon,who suffers from delusions of his own awesomeness about understanding science:

              http://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.com/2012/05/review-revisit-recap.html#comment-form

              You’ll notice that all the claims for Gardisal deaths turn out to be from other causes, such as drownings, gunshot wounds to the head, motor vehicle accidents or accidental/intentional drug overdoses…and none of the crank websites which the old drunk gets his information from, ever issue retractions:

              http://justthevax.blogspot.com/2014/10/hpv-jab-not-responsible-for-wisconsin.html

            • Oh, I know. Gardasil (like every other vaccine) is very safe. Dolts like Lowell make me laugh, but idjits like Jenny McCarthy piss me off.

            • lilady R.N.

              Why bother with Jenny Mc…when Count Korsakoff provides such great material/

            • I’m almost afraid to ask, but who?

            • lilady R.N.

              Count Lowell Hubbs Korsakoff, of course….complete with his wet brain:

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol-related_dementia

            • ROFLMAO. Brilliant. And, I learned something new this evening. Thank you, milady.

            • lilady R.N.

              I shouldn’t take credit for that. It was, IIRC, Boris Ogon who first referred to Hubbs as Count Korsakoff.

            • I was referring to the link… 😀

            • HPV Vaccine Maker’s Study Proves Natural HPV Infection Beneficial, Not Deadly

              Behind every vaccine is an assumption. That HPV causes cervical cancer, that cervical cancer causes death, and that a vaccine can effectively interfere with this linear relationship is the assumption to be examined in this article. Cervarix is a vaccine recommended to girls beginning as early as 9 years old, intended to protect against HPV strains 16 and 18 upon completion of a 3 dose series. It is an aluminum-containing product, with notable “immunogenicity”.

              A new GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) funded study published in the Journal of Infectious Diseases has revealed that HPV infection, resulting in naturally acquired human papilloma virus (HPV) antibodies, reduces the risk for new infection and cervical abnormalities linked to cancer in non-HPV vaccinated subjects.

              In addition to this startling finding – additional GSK-funded research from this year revealed that the HPV vaccine may not protect women against high-grade squamous intraepithelial lesions, dysplasias.

              If, in fact, the HPV vaccines do not work as widely advertised, and natural HPV infectious exposures actually protect against the progression of HPV linked cervical changes to cancer, then taken together, both these findings challenge the most fundamental assumptions within vaccine science (aka vaccinology), and render highly dubious the oft repeated rhetoric that natural HPV infection is juggernaut –like deadly force the best defense against which are universal immunization campaigns.

              HPV Infection Protects Against New Infection and Cervical ‘Premalignancies’

              The groundbreaking new study titled, Risk of newly detected infections and cervical abnormalities in women seropositive for naturally-acquired HPV-16/18 antibodies: analysis of the control arm of PATRICIA, analyzed data from the non-vaccinated control arm of the Papilloma Trial against Cancer in Young Adults (PATRICIA), to ascertain whether natural HPV16 and HPV18 antibodies reduced the risk for new HPV infection and/or cervical abnormalities over a 300 day period. A total of 16,656 women were included in the study’s control arm (8,193 women in the HPV16 analysis and 8,463 women in the HPV18 analysis), with none of the women being administered the HPV vaccine.

              Read more:
              http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hpv-vaccine-maker-s-study-shows-natural-hpv-infection-beneficial-not-deadly

            • “Greenmed”? Seriously? You’re not even trying anymore, are you?

            • wzrd1

              “HPV Vaccine Maker’s Study Proves Natural HPV Infection Beneficial, Not Deadly”

              Please tell that to my aunt, who died of cervical cancer, linked to cervical warts.

              Meanwhile, still no respected journals with peer reviewed papers, only weird assed sites that are anything but respected journals of science.

            • wzrd1

              The fallacy is in this sentence: “At a certain point you need to combine the math with common sense in order to derive a conclusion.”

              In other words, toss out the math and stick with opinion as fact.

            • lilady R.N.

              You just claimed Gardasil is a killer of hundreds.

              How about the deaths from gun shot wounds to the head, drownings and motor vehicle accident injuries…months after receiving the vaccine?

            • km

              Apples and oranges. One is a a still a short stint of safety tests. The others you mention except for shootings are done out of either necessity or with a proven acceptable risk. For example drowning, I would not allow my children to a water park until they were teenagers because I wanted to minimize the risks and make sure they were very strong swimmers. I minimized the exposure of danger. Guns well sometimes bad people get them and you have no control over that situation. The rest of gun owners it is there own stupidity.

            • lilady R.N.

              When are you going to pony up any proof that Gardasil vaccine has ever been linked to serious adverse reactions or deaths, following the administration of 26 million doses of the vaccine

              http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Vaccines/HPV/jama.html

              Of the 12,424 reports of adverse events, 772 (6% of all reports) described serious adverse events, including 32 reports of deaths.

              The 32 death reports were reviewed and there was no
              common pattern to the deaths that would suggest they were caused by the vaccine. In cases where there was an autopsy, death certificate, or medical records, the cause of death could be explained by factors other
              than the vaccine. Some causes of death determined to date include diabetes, viral illness, illicit drug use, and heart failure.

              There were two reports of unusual neurological illness (per autopsy, probable variants of Amytrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS) often referred to as “Lou Gehrig’s Disease”) that resulted in the death
              of two young females. There is no current evidence suggesting that the HPV vaccine caused these illnesses, but researchers from several highly regarded academic centers are studying the cases.

              There was increased reporting of syncope and pulmonary emboli (blood clots of the lungs) compared with what has been found for other vaccines given to females of the same age. Of the people who had
              blood clots 90% had a known risk factor for blood clots, such as taking oral contraceptives (birth control pills). VAERS reports cannot prove the vaccine caused the adverse event in women with these risk factors.
              However, this finding needs further investigation.

            • Look at all the personal accounts here of Gardasil vaccine injury. And Lilady would still risk that for her son or daughter, simply because the to much to lose the truth be known CDC, is still lying to the public about Gardasil’s wonderful safety and effectiveness. She thinks that all those accounts of vaccine harm and unrecovered from neurologically based outcomes, are all misinformation from mislead, incorrect, and clueless people and tin foil hat conspiracy theorists. Which type of mentality would you chooose for yourself? That of lilady, or those obviously putting forth the real Gardasil truth. Just take one for the herd she thinks; and its all for the better good. The better good for what and who? The unethical profitability of the top dogs at Merck, and its shareholders?

              HPV VACCINE VAERS REPORTS UP TO SEPT 2014

              Description Total

              Disabled 1,212
              Deaths 176
              Did Not Recover 7,364
              Abnormal Pap Smear 582
              Cervical Dysplasia 254
              Cervical Cancer 96
              Life Threatening 656
              Emergency Room 12,019
              Hospitalized 3,809
              Extended Hospital Stay 258
              Serious 5,097

              Adverse Events 36,710

              http://sanevax.org/

              Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety

              http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

            • lilady R.N.

              Two crank anti-vaccine websites?

              That’s your proof?

              You must be kidding.

            • wzrd1

              I can as easily produce reports of virgins riding unicorns. That does not mean that unicorns actually exist.
              You consistently fail to produce peer reviewed studies from respected scientific journals and instead resort to known crank sites that serve up word salad or testimonials, rather than peer reviewed studies.
              Indeed, the site you present proclaim loudly about a vast conspiracy between vaccine manufacturers and the government. That is fascinating as the US government is infamous for never managing to keep a secret.

            • Boris Ogon

              HPV VACCINE VAERS REPORTS UP TO SEPT 2014

              Hey, Sudds, remember how you were posturing about how much time you had spend scouring VAERS? Let’s have a little fun.

              You know how the CDC WONDER interface has a little “query criteria” link at the top of the search results? Show me the exact criteria needed to extract one of the figures that you barfed up. No cheating, on your own.

              I will give you one hint, though: You can’t do it with Gardasil.

            • Sandy Perlmutter

              Personal accounts aren’t evidence. They aren’t even accounts. They are stories.

            • Not science, just anecdotes. And no, more anecdotes mean nothing.

            • Boris Ogon

              You do know that blood clots are not exactly rare in the population

              Such as the population using oral contraceptives?

            • Andrew Lazarus

              Gardasil, oral contraceptives, blood clots: just God clearing away the sluts.

              The opposition to Gardasil is even more telling than to polio vaccine.

            • I like sluts. They’re a lot of fun.

            • In review clearly none of them in the cases I have read about were ever known as sluts. But nice to see that you are so evil that you will even personally disrespect those young women in the prime of their life, who were cut down and died due to this nasty vaccine, which clearly the FDA never should have approved. There already existed clearly enough clinical trial issues and evidence standing against its immediate approval, in 2006.

              http://sanevax.org/

              http://truthaboutgardasil.org/

              The Past and Continued Failure of the Polio Vaccine.
              http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

            • lilady R.N.

              Three crank anti-vaccine websites…that’s your proof?

            • Well, Lowell is a huge crank, so I’d expect him to use nothing else but crank websites as “proof.” Hahahaha.

            • You think he might be Edgar Allan in disguise?

            • Boris Ogon

              The Past and Continued Failure of the Polio Vaccine.

              When was the last case of WPV2, Lodwill? How’s WPV3 holding up?

            • Boris Ogon

              1. The report makes a very good case for the distinct possibility of death by blood clot following a Gardasil vaccination.

              “The report”? Cite by VAERS ID.

              Bottom line is in no way can you say that those reports do not show a possibility of adverse effects from the vaccination.

              Such as the friend-of-a-friend-heard-something entries? Hangings? Preexisting heart disease? Undiagnosed preexisting Type I diabetes? Viral sepsis? Massive polysubstance abuse? Remember your original assertion: “a couple of hundred people have died from it so far.”

            • Sounds like a bad case of denial there Boris, (no evidence and no proof exists ever) and in your always having a full bag of excuses for your denial of any and all vaccine injuries, ever. Those said findings clearly exist in VAERS; and as well in the accounts of it all written by mothers of the young women now deceased after Gardasil. As well in regard to those said VAERS death reports, why in so many of those cases was there never found any conclusive cause of death? Just like the infant SIDS deaths. How much time have you ever spent searching VAERS? Or do you just listen to the denial made by the FDA/CDC that anything significant is found there in VAERS and for common findings and links, in regard to Gardasil?

            • As Boris said, “Cite by VAERS ID.”

            • Boris Ogon

              How much time have you ever spent searching VAERS?

              I’m going with “a fuckload more than you have,” Lodwill.

            • wzrd1

              Boris, you forgot automobile accidents and drug related shootings.
              OK, I’ve yet to hear that last one entered into VAERS, but it’s only a matter of time.

            • Boris Ogon

              Oh, and be sure to explain how the fuck you came to this “conclusion”:

              Every effort seems to have been made to not use wording of the original reports and to make the reports sound as implausible as possible by means of the report being written as the opinion of the person entering the report into the system and not the person reporting it.

            • Johann Bruwer

              It’s fucking obvious thats how

            • Boris Ogon

              It’s fucking obvious thats how

              I see, you can’t defend your assertion.

          • km

            Actually I would say it is the minority mind you that have just bought into Merck’s marketing. They have dine a great job with it and making a fortune. I find it ODs that the percentage of people using the drug is below 51% since those same small minds are the same ones that elecected our idiot leader. In would have thought that all those simpletons would have been more easily influenced. Guess some of them have some ability to think for themselves .

      • km

        Anyone who looks to such a short amount of time. Side effects might not be seen for 100 years and a couple of generations. I am not saying it is not safe. I am saying I am not going to believe such a short study and neither will my family. Only morons think such a short testing period could provide a stable result.

        • Lawrence McNamara

          Then perhaps you could posit a plausible biological explanation for taking 100 years & a couple of generations to see side effects? You really don’t have a grasp of basic biology, do you?

          • Plausible biological pathways are outside of the knowledge of the anti-science brigade. They think they can say anything they want and someone has to disprove it. That’s, of course, not how science works. They don’t understand that.

          • km

            Your correct my major is not biology, however it was required for masters. In a rudamentry explanation, as we continue to manipulate and add outside influence dawinism speculates our biology or the biology of the virus will change to adapt. Will it be positive or negative who knows. Will the long term effects of the drug cause other failures within our bodies? It will take a much larger amount of the populus with different immunoglobulins to make such a determination.

            • Boris Ogon

              Your correct my major is not biology, however it was required for masters.

              In quantum thermodynamics?

            • km

              Yes, this way of topic. Apparently more people see it through the quick rush to market as the number of people getting the shots are not increasing. Fortunately my daughter when done with med school wishes to work with children and will definetly be recommend a wait and see approach. She will discourage the use at this time. Its good to see more people thinking before they just accept the quick tests. And yes 30 years is quick in this kind of testing. We have no idea what will happen int he older years.

            • Boris Ogon

              Yes, this way of topic.

              Oh, I don’t think anybody will really mind. Could you do me a quick favor and give an example of how to extract work from coherence in a two-state system?

            • wzrd1

              “Could you do me a quick favor and give an example of how to extract work from coherence in a two-state system?”

              Reading about that nearly gave me a headache. If it weren’t for my generalized understanding of lasers, I’d have a true migraine. 😉

              Whenever someone boasts about our level of advanced technology, I remind them that much of our energy production systems involve new and novel ways to do that which we’ve been doing for thousands of years; boiling water. Deflated egos then abound.

            • lilady R.N.

              Why don’t you have your daughter, the medical school student, post a comment here about Gardasil vaccine?

              Does your daughter know that you are on the computer posting about vaccines?

            • km

              That is up to her. She is a med student across the country from. In sent her a link to the article. This is not a forum that will change anything. She knows these are go nowhere forums. They will change nothing. So if she has the time which is in very short supply. Anyone who has been through med school knows this. It is her choice to chime in or not. Probably not a huge priority at this point in her life

            • Andrew Lazarus

              What you are really trying to say is that your daughter, presumably in her 20s, doesn’t need Gardasil because she is a virgin. There’s a lot you don’t know…

            • km

              Yes and yes. That however is not the reason. Neither of us buy into the it is 100% not going to cause other problems. Until it has been around a long time I presume my grand children will not receive it either. This about risk assessment and benefits.

            • Boris Ogon

              This about risk assessment and benefits.

              Or your lower-than-average ability to carry it out.

            • Obviously you have no actual comprehension of and nor the necessity of risk assessment, and that verses the actually proven benefits. In your vaccine promoting world it is automatically all benefit, (no independent investigation ever needed) and to even question that there are any serious risks; simply is not within the scope of your mental capacity, honesty, and nor willingness to evaluate the situation as well independently and accurately.

            • Question: Were you born this stupid, or did you take lessons?

            • kellymbray

              “Were you born this stupid, or did you take lessons?”

              I think he took an online course.

            • Is he bright enough?

            • Boris Ogon

              Fortunately my daughter when done with med school wishes to work with children and will definetly be recommend a wait and see approach.

              You know what, Kevin? When somebody says, “My specialty is in quantum mechanics. Specifically thermodynamics” (not to mention “MF” instead of B-field), I immediately smell horseshit because of the narrowness of the specialization. Now, I gave you a chance. I almost gave you hints on the basis (heh) that you might be an ESL/EFL academic.

              But you know what else? There’s something about this that says you ain’t got no daughter in no med school. Thanks for wasting my fucking time.

            • I think what you need, Boris, is for you yourself to take all three shots of Gardasil? Be sure you video tape it with close ups of the product bottle, and/or the Gardasil product form you are injecting. You can easily upload that to youtube, and notify us when you have completed that. I am sure with your obviously notorious shill promoting status Paul Offit would even be more than willing to allow you to do that at his CHOP facility; and post it on the CHOP website.

            • The words are English, but they are not put together in a way that makes sense.

            • Mike Stevens

              If your daughter (if she is a med student) actually graduates, let’s hope she doesn’t insist on waiting 50 years before prescribing any newly released/tested meds, or else she will be retired before she gets pen to paper.

              I can see it now….
              “Please doctor, can you save my child’s life by treating his meningitis with an antibiotic?”

              “Hmmm…let’s not be too hasty. Drugs can have side effects you know. Let’s just wait and see on that one, and you can bring him back to me in 50 years or so.”

            • Lawrence McNamara

              You realize that the HPV vaccines went through the exact same rigorous and extensive clinical trials, safety testing and post-release surveillance as every single other vaccine, right? There was no “rush to market,” no matter what you may claim.

            • Well, if we think on the geologic scale, 20 years ,em.is a rush. 😉

            • The FDA allowed fast track approval of Gardasil. Whereas most vaccines and drugs undergo several years of clinical testing, including human trials, prior to FDA approval, Gardasil was on FDA fast track approval and underwent a mere six months of trial research. This is not even a debatable issue; it is simple fact. No rush to market? Really? Is there no end to your false claims and nor to your dishonesty?

              Gardasil: A Deadly Vaccine
              http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/gardasil-a-deadly-vaccine-gary-null-phd/#.VGcEqvnF_bY

              VRBPAC Background Document
              Gardasil™ HPV Quadrivalent Vaccine
              May 18, 2006 VRBPAC Meeting

              2002 CBER granted fast track designation to Merck’s development program for the HPV quadrivalent vaccine for prevention of cervical cancer. Merck initiated
              phase 3 clinical trials of the HPV quadrivalent vaccine.

              http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/ac/06/briefing/2006-4222B3.pdf

              About CBER

              The Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research (CBER) is one Center within the Food and Drug Administration, an Agency within the United States Government’s Department of Health and Human Services (HHS).

              http://www.fda.gov/AboutFDA/CentersOffices/OfficeofMedicalProductsandTobacco/CBER/ucm123340.htm

              There as well was absolutely no true saline placebo used in the Gardasil clinical trials in regard to comparison of systemic reactions. One so called placebo contained the aluminum, and the other one contained HPV virus like particles in a carrier solution. And now look at the adverse effects on health disaster, Gardasil has become.

              Clinical Review of Biologics License Application for Human Papillomavirus
              6, 11, 16, 18 L1 Virus Like Particle Vaccine (S. cerevisiae)
              (STN 125126 GARDASIL), manufactured by Merck, Inc.
              http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM111287.pdf

            • Holy shit, you’re a better fiction writer than Mark, John, Paul, and Timothy.

            • Boris Ogon

              There as well was absolutely no true saline placebo used in the Gardasil clinical trials in regard to comparison of systemic reactions. One so called placebo contained the aluminum, and the other one contained HPV virus like particles in a carrier solution. And now look at the adverse effects on health disaster, Gardasil has become.

              Clinical Review of Biologics License Application for Human Papillomavirus
              6, 11, 16, 18 L1 Virus Like Particle Vaccine (S. cerevisiae)
              (STN 125126 GARDASIL), manufactured by Merck, Inc.

              Lodwill, you might avoid howlers like this if you actually read (or could read) the material that you are trying to pass off as supporting your semiliterate assertions. Go look at Table 2, and keep going from there.

              I eagerly await your “analysis.”

            • Sandy Perlmutter

              According to other statements you have made elsewhere, your daughter is pursuing “research” connecting birth control to autism. Now THAT is a stupid dumbass research topic. I bet she doesn’t even exist, much less engage in fundamentalist garbage research. If she does indeed exist, she must be terribly embarrassed having you as a parent.

            • kellymbray

              Gender studies.

            • Boris Ogon

              It will take a much larger amount of the populus with different immunoglobulins to make such a determination.

              What the fuck do you imagine that “different immunoglobulins” is even supposed to mean here?

            • He doesn’t know shit.

            • Laughable. I love when people throw up their fake knowledge of evolutionary biology, and get it so wrong, that it indicates they really have no background worthy of mentioning here.

              You’re using one of the most hysterical logical fallacies. You jump on the Appeal to Nature, that somehow Darwinism is some magical process. Well, it isn’t.

              Evolution has no goals, it has no direction, it has no emotion. It is simply random. A mutation might spread through a population because it provides higher fitness or it provides no advantages whatsoever, and it just moves through the population.

              The flu virus randomly mutates. Sometimes it’s innocuous. Sometimes it kills 100 million people like it did in 1918.

              Whether we change the genome (and who’s to say that our actions are not a product of natural selection) or it happens because of a random burst of cosmic radiation, it is irrelevant.

              Oh, because I bought that someone like you is in a Masters program for anything but basketweaving, do you know what a cosmic ray is? Just wondering.

            • km

              Nature adheres to what makes it stronger. That is the point. It does not follow any form of chaos theory I studied. It is more of action and reaction if anything. Ayne you need a little more refresher or something.

            • No it doesn’t. Where do you get that idea? It is purely random, with environmental pressures causing some genes to be advantageous.

              You’re full of shit. You flunked basic biology. Or you’re a creationist. Yup, you write just like a fucking creationist. Troll someplace else, please.

            • km

              See here you go again. You make assumptions with our knowing anything. Itbok the world is full of sheeplebidiots who couldn’t afford a good school and follow the anything your told . that’s how we ended up with the idiot in the whitehouse but that is a whole other story. I am not a creationist. First off darwinism and creationist do not get along, second we had churches protesting my classes findings regarding the god particle(vacumm particle) or whatever you would like to refer to it as. Everything I studied was not very church friendly. Now back to rudamentery science for those of you who went to community college or received your degrees online. It is either chaos or defined purpose . it cannot be both. . Either it is random or it is controlled . by the way if you would be kind enough to at least let us know your state. I want to make sure and never see a Dr there. Very scary.

            • Boris Ogon

              second we had churches protesting my classes findings regarding the god particle(vacumm particle) or whatever you would like to refer to it as

              It seems as likely as not that these could be churches with enough scientific literacy to recognize your being full of shit after about two minutes.

              Now back to rudamentery science for those of you who went to community college or received your degrees online.

              This should be good, coming as it does from someone who can’t competently put together an English sentence. Here’s a hint, Kevin: you should always consider the possibility that you might run into someone with an actual physics degree from a way better school than you went to before trying to pull this sort of pathetic crap.

              It is either chaos or defined purpose . it cannot be both. . Either it is random or it is controlled .

              Again, define “it.” Also note again that chaos theory is deterministic, fuckwit. You know what’s random? Radioactive decay. Yet, amazingly, it is not “chaos.” So maybe you could sort that the fuck out for me in the framework of one of your two incompatible dichotomies when you get a chance.

            • km

              See you can tell just by your vocabulary you did not find yourself a good school and are limited in knowledge. I spent 4 years at MIT to learn how to design better fuel cells . Hence the additions of thermodynamics. You are might want to try a better educati I need facility . I will however leave you with this because even community college usually gets this one right. I have not and am not stating the drug is unsafe. I am stating that it has had insufficient time to state it is 100% safe. Ino science there are no absolutes just hypothesis . It is a lie to tell people this is 100% safe. So my advice take a look at the scientific principles and get a life.

            • Lawrence McNamara

              And we’ve said any vaccine is 100% safe, where exactly?

              Please quit it with the Nirvana Fallacy….

            • Thats right they are not safe. Look at all these parental accounts statijng that directly. The chances of an adverse vaccine reaction leading to vaccine injury are however clearly far greater than the CDC claim of it being only in the odds of 1 in 1 million doses. Check out how long this list of videos is.

              Hear This Well Parents Speak Out

              Parents Voice: Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccination
              http://www.followingvaccinations.com

              Vaccines: A Century of Lies and Deceit
              http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/11/08/vaccines-a-century-of-lies-and-deceit/

            • Yes, because story time means something to scientists. Tell me something, did someone read you a story about dragons, and you’ve been gone because you’ve been hunting them, but getting caught by windmills?

            • wzrd1

              More like unicorns, seeking the cure for everything mythical.

            • wzrd1

              But strangely absent are peer reviewed papers in respectable journals of science.
              Oh, I forgot, it’s all part of The Grand Conspiracy of the Space Aliens.*

              *My trademarked name for bullshit conspiracy theories that involve a phenomenal number of conspirators that includes the US government, which is infamous for being incapable of keeping any secret.

            • Boris Ogon

              See you can tell just by your vocabulary you did not find yourself a good school and are limited in knowledge.

              Please be more specific with your lexical analysis of my speech productions, Kevin. Was it “incompatible dichotomies”? That can’t be right, because you do have two that are incompatible. Was it “give an example of how to extract work from coherence in a two-state system”? Please answer me, Kevin, I’m desperately insecure over this observation, particularly given your own magisterial prose.

              I spent 4 years at MIT to learn how to design better fuel cells . Hence the additions of thermodynamics.

              Oh, so you majored in fuel-cell design at MIT and minored in quantum thermodynamics? It all makes sense now.

              No, wait, it doesn’t. You purport that your daughter is in her 20s, despite her academic status otherwise, which you describe contradictorily and which has no ascertainable correlate in fact, which would put your undergraduate years at MIT around a quarter of a century ago.

              What sort of fuel cells were being designed back then, Kevin? And what exactly is the specialization on your sheepskin? See, mine says “physics.” I’m not aware of MIT having a degree program in “fuel cell design.”

            • wzrd1

              I do believe that the space shuttle had fuel cells, the Apollo mission had fuel cells as well.
              But, those fuel cells weren’t designed or built at MIT. I’m also unaware of any degree program in fuel cell design.

              Still, I see one poster with a number of letters, regrettably, they’re B U L L S H I T.

            • notation

              Name anything that is 100% safe, nimrod. Can you prove that fuel cells are 100% safe?

              Now look at this sentence and try to grasp the meaning: the issue is not whether any medical intervention, whether vaccine, medication, or surgery, is 100% safe. It is whether the risk of the disease is greater than the risk of the treatment or preventative. What part of that is so hard for you to get?

              You have yet to show any evidence that Gardasil is not safe. The risk of getting cervical cancer, as 12,000 women did last year is greater than the possible risks of the vaccine. Prove otherwise.

            • km

              Four Year Analysis of Adverse Reactions to the Gardasil HPV Vaccine
              Updated February 11, 2014
              by Lloyd W. Phillips
              Copyright ©2014 Lloyd W. Phillips
              The children and adults who received the Gardasil HPV vaccine have given a voice to Autism. There was no doubt that these cheerleaders, football players, swim-team members, volleyball players, etc were in good health prior to receiving their Gardasil HPV vaccine, which killed some, brain damaged others, and caused 10s of thousands to become disabled.

            • notation

              Nope. Wont’ do. Sorry for your ineptitude.

            • Those are Gardasil facts, notation; as a fact. You can deny it all you want. Oh yes, and there is more than enough evidence to support it. Again, nothing would ever be enough; and you must deny it all.

            • “Facts as a fact?” What the blue hell are you attempting to write about, Monkey?

            • wzrd1

              An infinite number of monkeys hammering away on an infinite number of typewriters will still produce an astonishing amount of bullshit, much of it along the same lines as the monkey you questioned.

            • Andrew Lazarus

              I have a general rule that I never believe anonymous posters’ claims about their education.

            • Sandy Perlmutter

              “idiot in the whitehouse”? Aha, a TeaBagger! With scientific claims. They let you in a classroom? No wonder our kids are growing up ignorant.

            • Boris Ogon

              Nature adheres to what makes it stronger.

              Define “it.”

              That is the point. It does not follow any form of chaos theory I studied.

              You’ve already tried this with pretending that your “specialization” is “quantum mechanics,” remember?

              It is more of action and reaction if anything.

              Did your “study” of “chaos theory” hip you to the fact that strange attractors have closed forms, Perfesser? You know, like CHAOS THEORY IS DETERMINISTIC?

              Ayne you need a little more refresher or something.

              Like on thermodynamics, you posturing fraud?

            • squirrelelite

              Minor technical correction.
              Most of the writing I’ve seen on this would state that mutation is random, but that evolution has a direction in favor of fitness or increased probability of surviving and reproducing in the environment.
              But, I agree, this whole argument of worrying about genetic changes 100 years in the future is laughable.

            • No no no no. Evolution does not have a “direction.” In fact, there are two major accepted mechanisms of evolution. Natural selection is most certainly what you state, that individuals with genes that confer higher “fitness” (fitness meaning producing more offspring that carry that gene) will eventually change the population of an organism to carry that gene.

              However, there is another mechanism called “genetic drift.” In this case, there is a neutral gene, that has no particular advantage, just spreads through a population randomly.

              But more than anything, evolution has no particular direction. A sudden environmental change could wipe out a population that had a particular genetic advantage, or make it genetically disadvantageous. You presume that evolution has some goal. It does not. It is simply random events that appear, when looking backwards, as if it were planned out, but it’s just random recombination of genes, random mutations in genes, and random environmental catastrophes.

            • squirrelelite

              I should go back and re-read Donald R Prothero’s book then.
              And, perhaps some other books as well.
              I didn’t mean to imply that it had a goal. I was just trying to repeat a reasoning that I have seen explained in response to people who don’t want to accept that evolution can lead to a more complex being, for instance.

            • Boris Ogon

              The flu virus randomly mutates. Sometimes it’s innocuous. Sometimes it kills 100 million people like it did in 1918.

              It is also subject to positive selection pressure in addition to antigenic drift.

            • Sorry to tell you Boris, but the real history recorded at the time, by people who lived at that time; tells us precisely what really happened.

              The 1918 Spanish Influenza Epidemic Was Caused By Vaccinations!
              http://socioecohistory.wordpress.com/2009/09/03/the-1918-spanish-influenza-epidemic-was-caused-by-vaccinations/

              https://sites.google.com/site/religionsciencevsfaith/1918-flu-pandemic-caused-by-first-large-vaccine-experiments

            • Boris Ogon

              Sorry to tell you Boris

              Lodwill, you’re just going to have to get over the fact that nobody gives a flying fuck about your desperate, tediously repetitive auditioning for the play. If you were actively encouraged by the principals, they have long since left you behind.

            • So what Boris is saying is that in his twisted mind he believes that no one cares about the truth. Here are some parents concerned with the vaccine truth. Of course as a paid off vaccine shill, for Boris there is nothing that can not be not ignored, and there is nothing that would ever be enough. He must deny it all.

              Parents Speak Out – Hear This Well, (the list of the parental account videos regarding vaccine injury of their children just keeps growing in number).

              This list as well.

              Parents Voice: Children’s Adverse Outcomes Following Vaccination
              http://www.followingvaccinations.com/

              MEDICAL NUREMBERG FOR CDC NOW

              9/6/2014

              Modern medicine and the world community currently find themselves at a moral, ethical, and legal crossroads. The recent public admittance of Dr. William Thompson as well as other information being forced to the surface has brought to light very ugly truths that will never go away or be ignored. Communities have now been mobilized. Nurses and doctors are now free to come forward and speak of the vaccine induced damage they witnessed. It is unwritten protocol to fire or relieve such dissenters of their positions for showing a soul and voicing disagreement among the medical community. The flood gates have opened as mothers and fathers across the world are pouring endless videos of heartbreaking protests directly against the vaccine industry and the CDC for damage to their children. The silence of the vaccine damaged children has erupted into one solitary voice for justice that is not to be silenced until trials are underway.

              Read more:
              http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/medical-nuremberg-for-cdc-now

              DOCTORS & NURSES YOU ARE THE VACCINE FRAUD TIPPING POINT
              http://www.jeffereyjaxen.com/blog/doctors-nurses-you-are-the-vaccine-fraud-tipping-point

            • Boris Ogon

              So what Boris is saying is that in his twisted mind he believes that no one cares about the truth.

              No, Lodwill, I am making the straightforward observation that no one cares about you. You’re a complete fucking nobody in antivax circles.

            • Andrew Lazarus

              Gee, last week it was caused by overdosing the victims with aspirin. I don’t suppose you have any evidence linking vaccination campaigns with the outbreaks geographically, do you? Or is it more woo, that vaccinations disturb the Natural Order so retribution is inevitable?

            • Nothing was ever stated nor said about aspirin, here, Lazarus. The article clearly outlines the geographical area outlines of the illness that was created. Do you actually view it as and relate to vaccine induced illness, as an outbreak? Wow. Obviously you did not even bother to read the historical account of it all written in the article.

            • Andrew Lazarus

              I won’t link to Antivax Clown Mercola, but if you go to his site, you’ll find a couple articles on aspirin overdose and the 1918 flu pandemic. (In fact, you’ll find mainstream articles, too, that don’t draw the same antivax conclusion.)

            • Boris Ogon

              The 1918 Spanish Influenza Epidemic Was Caused By Vaccinations!

              Mr. Sudds, it would be simpler if you linked directly to the source, in which one learns that smallpox vaccination causes both leprosy and syphilis.

              Now, perhaps you could scour your own source and identify where the plural “vaccinations” are. Because all I’ve got is a wholly imaginary 1918 yellow-fever vaccine.

              Try to get your shit together sooner rather than later.

            • wzrd1

              Gotta love the word salad on the google hosted site, where paratyphoid (has a hyphen for no reason) is typhoid, despite being different bacteria of the same general species. I guess that in that author’s world, plain old fashioned salmonella food poisoning is also typhoid. The additional conflating virus caused disease and bacterial disease is fascinating as well, displaying sheer and willful ignorance of pathogens in general and infectious disease in particular.
              The most amusing is the hyphenated paratyphiod fever is actually more benign than typhoid, which the author instead puts the cart before the horse by getting them 180 degrees around.

            • lilady R.N.

              Did Lowell Hubbs actual linked to a Google site which contains the research of Dr. Rebecca Carley?

              https://sites.google.com/site/religionsciencevsfaith/1918-flu-pandemic-caused-by-first-large-vaccine-experiments

              Dr. Carley?

              Really?

              Hubbs must be kidding.

              As many of you who follow my posts on multiple science blogs, I’ve actually spoken with Carley on the telephone. (I got lucky and Dr. Carley located my direct line at the County health department where I was employed). She would call me every few works to rant on about vaccines-the “True Weapons of Mass Destruction”.

              There I was captive at my desk and after 10 minutes of her nonsensical chatter, my eyes would glazed over, I’d slump down in my chair and had to catch myself before I slid down to the floor. After about 20 minutes of wasted time, I’d shut her down, with the excuse of being late to an important meeting or a telephone conference call.

              Dr. Carley used to tell her patients that she left the practice of medicine to become a naturopath. She lied.

              She was booted out because she refused to get professional help for her major multiple psychiatric disorders:

              http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/carley.html

            • Sandy Perlmutter

              Carley is, of course, barking mad. Here is a nifty little article about her:

              http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles/comment/carley.htm

              She still has a website, with all the medical integrity of a rutabaga.

            • siklopz

              correction, mutation is random, but evolution is anything but random.

            • wzrd1

              Evolution does indeed have a direction, that of superior survival rates permitting propagating those traits over the “previous model”.
              Evolution is also an incredibly harsh taskmaster, for undesirable traits are not accepted in nature. Far harsher than human breeding animals for desirable traits, as we might keep an odd breed because it’s cute.

            • kellymbray

              Nice word salad. I prefer mine seasoned with croutons instead of BS.

            • wzrd1

              So, darwinism will cause our biology or the virus to change.
              Like smallpox did when we eliminated it, right?
              Like type 3 polio changed when we eliminated it, right?
              Oh wait, they didn’t change, they’re extinct in the wild (though WHO is maintaining a watch for type 3 polio, they’ve not found it for several years).

            • Mike Stevens

              And they have also eliminated Type 2 Polio as well, so now type 3 has gone, leaving just one to go …

      • kellymbray

        You know that a real intelligent person would not use the word sheeple.

        • Why? But that is clearly what you are? If that is not the proper decription, then what would you suggest?

          • What brought you back out of the cesspit, you nutter?

            • kellymbray

              Probably cheap beer.

          • wzrd1

            Intelligent is a word that comes to mind, as opposed to moronic for those who are utterly incapable of accepting facts.

      • Really? It looks like you have missed a little of the real fact and truth information. Corrupt studies paid for by Merck, and done by an equally as corrupt, Kaiser Permanente; simply do not cut it for being anything more than junk science. It is not even science; it is an outright cover-up and fraud. Go ask the mothers of all the young women who are now left with unrecovered from neurologically based outcomes; what they think of this in denial of all article? Ask the mothers of the young women who lost their lives due to the corruption and greed of Merck and the FDA fast tracked Gardasil; what they think of this cold hearted and in complete denial, article? No vaccine has ever done as much harm to human health; with the exception of the original DPT vaccine.

        Gardasil: I am not a coincidence. Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
        http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

        Gardasil-The Real Truth
        http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil—the-real-truth.html

        • The goof writers at vac”truth” wouldn’t know Truth if it walked up and slapped them with a flounder.

  • Elaine McAlister

    Gardasil is free in Australia. It is part of the school vaccination program, though you can also take your child to your family doctor if you prefer.
    Blogs like this are more interesting when they aren’t too US-centric.

    • Well, except for the fact that I actually wrote recently about the free Gardasil in Australia, and how because of that “price” the HPV infection rate has dropped around 60%. 🙂

      I try to not be too US-centric, especially since Australia has one of the most vile anti-vax creeps on the planet. And since you sent us Ken Ham, but that’s another story.

      http://wp.me/p26wxX-1BG

  • km

    It’s evolutionary. As we mess wiTh things nature will counter it. I didn’t specifically say it would genetically alter human’s but could effect it over time. But the virus itself could genetically become worse by use attacking it when we really do not know what we are dping. If we completely understood how viruses worked and how to stop them HIV and all other viruses would be irradicated. My specialty is in quantum mechanics. Specifically thermodynamics. So I may not understand viruses but I definitely understand science such as this require decades of testing before the full ramifications known.

    So stop telling people something is 100% safe when 50 or more years down the road we may find it causes some other complication. How many drugs have been approved and then the company sued decades later because it had unforseen side effects. If you know anything about science you know there are no absolutes.

    • Boris Ogon

      So I may not understand viruses but I definitely understand science such as this require decades of testing before the full ramifications known.

      Like how the LHC was going to create an Earth-gobbling black hole? You should have stopped after “viruses.”

      • km

        Do you not agree creating a gravity well of that size along with release of such a great am out of energy could have caused an artificial well? It was a possibility and still could be if the field is continually weakening the MF. It is also not a matter of if but how big of a well would start the cascade. If do not believe it possible you need to study up more on thermodynamic principles.

        • Boris Ogon

          Do you not agree creating a gravity well of that size along with release of such a great am out of energy could have caused an artificial well?

          What “gravity well”? That’s not even the mechanism that was speculated, which was pp collisions at center-of-mass energies above the Planck scale with extra dimensions at an impact parameter below the Schwarzschild radius. Protip: Relying upon “M theory” is a bad idea.

          It was a possibility and still could be if the field is continually weakening the MF. It is also not a matter of if but how big of a well would start the cascade. If do not believe it possible you need to study up more on thermodynamic principles.

          No, if you don’t understand Hawking radiation, I’d say that it’s you who needs to “study up more on thermodynamic principles.”

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            He has a B.S. in BS and loves talking out of his arse. Impresses the heck out of the bartender.

            • Wow, was that ever impressive. And that was the best you could do?

          • wzrd1

            Quite correct. Hawking radiation would make any singularity created with technology far beyond ours to evaporate in a burst of gamma radiation.
            As it stands, to create such a thing that would toss particles about with greater energy than already strikes our atmosphere would likely involve an accelerator orbiting Jupiter.

    • Boris Ogon

      It’s evolutionary. As we mess wiTh things nature will counter it.

      By the way, when is measles going to get around to doing this? Why do you suppose the L1 capsid protein is targeted by HPV vaccination? It has highly conserved regions that it really can’t screw with. You know what HPV has evolved the ability to do? Evade the immune system, which, when you get right down to it, is a mess.

      • That is a load off crap Boris. HPV has not evolved with the ability to evade the immune system, and your study does not actually show that to be fact. There are a small minority of individuals that their immune system does not clear HPV from their body as well and thus HPV can develop into a latent and ongoing unresolved HPV so called infection. That does not mean that HPV in itself has developed nor evolved any ability to evade the immune system; because the majority of individuals clearly it in time without any adverse effect. The problem is with the persons immune system not responding adequately enough. Injecting a toxic and now known HPV/DNA known attached to the aluminum adjuvant, contaminated Gardasil vaccine, full of aluminum adjuvant; is certainly not the answer for those said individuals. Clearly it is not an answer in regard to those said persons immune dysfunction, in clearing the strain/s of HPV that are apparently recurrent.

        • Boris Ogon

          That is a load off crap Boris. HPV has not evolved with the ability to evade the immune system, and your study does not actually show that to be fact.

          Lodwill, what strategies do you suppose that viruses have for successful propagation in hosts other than evading the immune system?

          Wait. You’re an imbecile, so fuck that. Cough up an actual criticism, all by your fucking lonesome, of Fausch et al., Lodwill.

        • Boris Ogon

          HPV has not evolved with the ability to evade the immune system, and your study does not actually show that to be fact.

          It’s open-access, dipshit, so spare me your failed jailhouse-lawyer attempts at shucking and jiving and get the fuck down to brass tacks.

  • KM

    Hi! Since you stated that the vaccine is essentially free in the US, would you happen to know if that is the case in Puerto Rico as well? PR being a US territory and all…

    • I wouldn’t know 100%. The Vaccines for Children Program is meant for all US states and territories, so PR should have it. And Puerto Rico has a more progressive medical system than the USA (ironic).

      The one thing about which I’m not sure is your health department. Here in the USA, most states provide vaccinations almost with no questions asked about income. Also, with Obamacare, which I don’t believe applies to PR (but if I’m wrong, please mention it), provides free vaccinations for anyone on Medicaid and, of course, Medicare.

      So, with all of those programs (or if you have private insurance) I’m sure you can find something by calling. If not, just drop a message here, and me or some other person will help out. I’ll do some more digging and reply later.

    • lilady R.N.

      Gardasil is covered under the VFC (Vaccines for Children) program for children ages 0-18 and covers children in Puerto Rico

      The VFC program is in place for children who are on Medicaid, who are part of the Indian Health Service and whose parents are uninsured or underinsured.

      The manufacturer of Gardasil also has a patient assistance program:

      http://www.gardasil.com/how-to-get-gardasil/assistance-programs/

      • Do you have any children of your own who have been vaccinated with Gardasil? And you are highly recommending it for everyone else’s, correct? Because the CDC says.

        • lilady R.N.

          Both of my children are ineligible for Gardasil.

          My daughter is 44 years old.

          My son died 10 years ago.

          And you Hubbs?

  • km

    I hope this vaccination is truly safe. However I would jot allow my children to get it . Although you have researched you have missed a basic principle. These kind of medications may have dangerous side effects later or genetic effects on the next generation. My daughter who is going for her PHD at John Hopkins and UC Davis grad is very skeptical. She is currently working to how Birth control is a contributing factor to Autism. Over the generations we have altered hormones and girls are using them earlier than ever which means longer exposure. For science to truley prove long term safety we will have to give it 2-3 generations. You should jot be so quick to ram this down people’s throats before long term effects are proven.

    • You’re inventing a belief. How can a vaccine influence the genetic code? HOW? By magic? By an appeal to special pleading, that you know something the rest of the world doesn’t?

      Vaccines work by providing an antigen that stimulates and boosts the immune system. It does not incorporate itself into the genetic code.

      I don’t care where you daughter went to school. While I was at at top research university, I knew of grad students who were brilliant, and others who were dumber than the rats that they dissected. All that matters in the world is evidence. You show me papers published by your daughter that support ANYTHING you write, and I’ll write about it here. But your daughter would be an embarrassment to any Ph.D. program, because she’s denying basic science.

      And birth control is NOT a contributor to autism. That’s just a lie.

      • Johann Bruwer

        There is enough evidence of bad side effects and even death as a result of this vaccination. You don’t need to publish a paper on it to question how safe it is. There is a risk and people have the right to choose not to take that risk.

        • There is? Where? Dumpster diving in VAERS? Or in Natural News? Where is there a single tiny bit of real scientific evidence that Gardasil has done anything but save lives.

          I’ll sit here with a bowl of buttered GMO popcorn, an Aspartame filled Coke Zero, and my Bluetooth headphones awaiting a real peer reviewed source supporting your lies and allegations.

          • Johann Bruwer

            The peer reviewed material you so eagerly await are usually written aligned with the agenda of those who will benefit from it financially, not medically. I choose not to look at only the scientific evidence paid for by the company who is trying to get their drug approved. It’s like taking a politician’s word for it. Please tell me who keeps them honest? And don’t tell me the CDC or the FDA who has their pockets lined as a result of the same.

            Once you contract cancer from your FDA approved chemical diet and are forced to take chemotherapy till it kills you, you should blame it on your genetics. Because what else could have possibly gotten you so ill… it couldn’t possibly be all those healthy science approved non biological things you ate. After all, the scientists said it “could” be safe.

            • Lawrence McNamara

              They could come up with a vaccine that protects against all types of Cancer & this dimwad will still be complaining about “genetics.”

            • Johann Bruwer

              I never complained about genetics but are you retarded as well as stupid? Cancer is not a virus you can vacinate against.

            • Lawrence McNamara

              You really don’t know what the “V” stands for in HPV, do you?

              Wow…..

            • Johann Bruwer

              They could come up with a vaccine that protects against all types of Cancer & this dimwad will still be complaining about “genetics.” – your comment…

              All cancers are not caused by a “V”irus… quite a lot of cancers are blamed on man made chemicals incompatible with the body actually… Like the crap in your vaccine.

            • Lawrence McNamara

              @Johann – so, you missed the whole “hypothetical” there, didn’t you? And vaccines protect from more that just viruses, but I’m sure you didn’t know that either…..

            • The vaccine for polio did not protect from any polio virus; they just changed the diagnosis for polio so you no longer have polio; and so now you have something else. Vaccine switch the diagnosis voodoo magic.

              http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

            • wzrd1

              Still posting citations from sites that are as much opinion as disinformation, rather than peer reviewed scientific journals.

              Here is a hint, polio diagnosis hasn’t changed, save for now we require a couple of additional tests, if available.
              Type 3 polio is extinct in the wild, not having been found for several years.
              The US has had how many polio cases in the past decade?
              Try to bullshit people over on the antivaccination blogs, those people are ignorant enough to drink the urine you’re claiming to be koolaid.

            • Thats right develop a cancer vaccine that has never been adequately studied for its toxic and contaminated ability to cause cancer.

              Merck Dr. Exposes Gardasil Scandal: Ineffective, Deadly, Very Profitable
              http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2014/04/merck-dr-exposes-gardasil-scandal-ineffective-deadly-profitable/

              New Evidence Demolishes Claims of Safety and Effectiveness of HPV Vaccine. Review of HPV Trials Conclude Effectiveness is Still Completely Unproven
              http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/10/16/unproven-hpv-vaccine-safety.aspx

              Does Gardasil Actually Increase Your Risk of Cervical Cancer?
              http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/07/20/does-gardasil-actually-increase-your-risk-of-cervical-cancer.aspx

              Preventing Gardasil Vaccine Injuries & Deaths
              http://www.nvic.org/nvic-vaccine-news/july-2009/preventing-gardasil-vaccine-injuries-deaths.aspx

            • Boris Ogon

              The peer reviewed material you so eagerly await are usually written aligned with the agenda of those who will benefit from it financially, not medically.

              Congratulations, you’ve just demonstrated that you know nothing about the scientific literature.

            • The only thing quite obviously about scientific literature that you know and accept Boris, is that which it the study must come from a big pharma connected journal, and it must support your pro-vaccine agenda.

              You Can’t Find the Truth About Vaccines by Burying Your Head in (Vested Interests in Vaccines) Peer-Reviewed Studies

              http://freedom-articles.toolsforfreedom.com/truth-about-vaccines-beyond-peer-review/

              NEJM editor: “No longer possible to believe much of clinical research published”

              Harvard Medical School’s Dr. Marcia Angell is the author of The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It. But more to the point, she’s also the former Editor-in-Chief at the New England Journal of Medicine, arguably one of the most respected medical journals on earth. But after reading her article in the New York Review of Books called Drug Companies & Doctors: A Story of Corruption, one wonders if any medical journal on earth is worth anybody’s respect anymore.

              “It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as an editor of The New England Journal of Medicine.”

              Read more:

              http://ethicalnag.org/2009/11/09/nejm-editor/

            • Boris Ogon

              The only thing quite obviously about scientific literature that you know and accept Boris, is that which it the study must come from a big pharma connected journal, and it must support your pro-vaccine agenda.

              Lodwill, you can’t successfully compose an English sentence, and you are apparently so lonely that you are “replying” to two-month-old comments.

              Provide your evidence that “the only thing quite obviously about scientific literature” that I “know and accept” is “that which it the study must come from a big pharma connected journal.”

            • wzrd1

              You got that one right. I’ve never found any paper that peers didn’t do their level best to savage into shreds.

          • km

            Reposted from earlier thread.

            • lilady R.N.

              No…copy pasta from the crank SaneVax website.

            • You do not get to decide what is acceptable; nothing is off the table, period!

            • lilady R.N.

              Why don’t you crawl back in to the hole where you crawled out of Hubbs?

            • wzrd1

              I always find it fascinating when someone who is debunked repeatedly then demands “nothing is off the table, period”.
              First hint, this is not your blog, so you cannot demand anything.
              Second hint, you’ve failed to show a single peer reviewed study that is published in a respected scientific journal.
              I’ll qualify that, published and not retracted due to deficiencies in the study. Examples are the old vitamin C cures/stops colds and a recent debacle on vaccines that even the study author admitted was flawed in methodology and every epidemiologist on the planet poked full of holes five minutes after publication.

              If you can’t manage that, which you cannot do, as such do not exist, kindly sod off.

            • kfunk937

              I especially liked his “Just Google loud Philipps” in the comment above his Lloyd Phillips/SaneVax one. Freudian Slip, or Stopped Clock event?

          • km

            Four Year Analysis of Adverse Reactions to the Gardasil HPV Vaccine
            Updated February 11, 2014
            by Lloyd W. Phillips
            Copyright ©2014 Lloyd W. Phillips
            The children and adults who received the Gardasil HPV vaccine have given a voice to Autism. There was no doubt that these cheerleaders, football players, swim-team members, volleyball players, etc were in good health prior to receiving their Gardasil HPV vaccine, which killed some, brain damaged others, and caused 10s of thousands to become disabled.

          • km

            Just Google loud Philipps. No gain from the studies unlike the Merck. I am not going to go find all of it for you. Its called research. I am not promoting anything. I am only informing people they may want to wait for longer term side effects. These zombies who are promoting the drug cannot think for themselves and trust the gov. That is the first sign of you cant fix stupid.

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            I googled Lloyd W Philips and found deep bullsh!t, including an article on “Phillips-Offit-Wakefield Syndrome” http://autismapocalypse.com/ I see a lot of references to how Wakefield was unjustly accused and delicensed. I see numerous anti-vax articles. It smells like a sewer over there. Feel free to google this but remember that Google remembers what you asked! You may see additional sewage in your adwords or whatever.

            Autism Apocalypse LOL!

            • kfunk937

              You should see his Facebook page. ::headdesk::

          • Advances in Biological Chemistry, 2013, 3, 76-85 ABC
            doi:10.4236/abc.2013.31010 Published Online February 2013 (http://www.scirp.org/journal/abc/)
            Topological conformational changes of human papillomavirus (HPV) DNA bound to an insoluble aluminum salt—A study by low temperature PCR

            ABSTRACT
            A low temperature (LoTemp®) polymerase chain re-action (PCR), conducted at cycling temperatures not to exceed 85˚C and catalyzed by a novel highly pro-cessive HiFi® DNA polymerase with proofreading function, was used to study the topological conforma-tional changes of the human papillomavirus (HPV) L1 gene DNA fragments bound to the insoluble amor-phous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate (AAHS)adjuvant in the quadrivalent HPV vaccine, Gardasil®.

            L1 gene DNA fragments of HPV-11, HPV-18 and HPV-16 were detected in the AAHS particles by nested PCR, but all were lacking a region that was amplifiable by an MY09 degenerate primer. In addi-tion, a pair of degenerate consensus GP6/MY11 primers was able to amplify a target segment of the HPV-11 L1 gene DNA and the HPV-18 L1 gene DNA bound to the AAHS particles as expected for any HPV DNA in the B-conformation. However, there was no co-amplification of the HPV-16 L1 gene DNA known to coexist in the same samples. The lack of co-amplification was verified by direct DNA sequencing of the PCR amplicons. The companion HPV-16 L1 gene DNA in the same sample required repeated PCRs with a pair of modified non-degenerate GP6/MY11 primers for detection. This melting profile of the HPV-16 L1 gene DNA was similar to that of the HPV-16 L1 gene DNA recently discovered in the postmortem blood of a young woman who suffered a sudden unexpected death 6 months after Gardasil® vaccination. The findings suggest that the topological conformational changes in the HPV L1 gene DNA residues bound to the AAHS adjuvant may be geno-type-related. The special non-B-conformation may prevent the HPV-16 L1 gene DNA from being de-graded in the body of the vaccine recipients after in-tramuscular injection.

            http://sanevax.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/ABC-Conformational-Changes-HPV.pdf

            http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S016201341200267X

            Of course here we have the FDA again denying any evidence of harmful effects, when they know better. No proof ever, and no matter what, they must deny it. This same HPV DNA was dexlared as not in the vaccine by Merck, but yet it is clearly in the vaccine, and the FDA wants the public to actual believe that contamination is a normal and expected occurrence in vaccine manufacturing? No cover-up going on at all, right? Never. They are lying.

            FDA Information on Gardasil – Presence of DNA Fragments Expected, No Safety Risk, (The expected FDA DENIAL of any and all risk, claiming that it was yet all considered as a normal finding in a vaccine, and not a contaminant. Really? Obviously that was a lie.)
            http://www.fda.gov/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/ucm276859.htm

          • Detection of human papillomavirus L1 gene DNA fragments in postmortem blood and spleen after Gardasil® vaccination—A case report

            Author(s) Sin Hang Lee

            ABSTRACT
            A same-nested PCR was used to re-amplify the amplicon of a hypervariable region of the HPV-16 L1 gene DNA in the postmortem blood and splenic tissue obtained at autopsy of a formerly healthy teenage girl who suffered a sudden unexpected death in sleep 6 months after 3 intramuscular injections of a quadrivalent HPV vaccine, Gardasil?. A full autopsy analysis revealed no cause of death. The HPV-16 gene DNA detected in the postmortem materials was similar to the HPV-16 gene DNA fragments in Gardasil? in that both were in non-B-conformation, requiring nondegenerate GP6 and MY11 primers to re-amplify the PCR amplicon for detection and to generate a template useful for direct DNA sequencing. A sequence excised from the base-calling DNA sequencing electropherogram was analyzed by Basic Local Alignment Search Tool (BLAST) alignment and a 45 – 60 base sequence fully matched with a standard hypervariable region of the HPV-16 L1 gene retrieved from the National Center for Biotechnology Information database validated the correct genotyping for HPV- 16 L1 gene DNA. These naked non-proliferating HPV- 16 L1 gene DNA fragments appeared to be in the macrophages of the postmortem blood and spleen, and were protected from degradation by binding firmly to the particulate aluminum adjuvant used in vaccine formulation. The significance of these HPV DNA fragments of a vaccine origin found in post-mortem materials is not clear and warrants further investigation.

            http://file.scirp.org/Html/17-7300444_25840.htm

          • SANE Vax to FDA: Recombinant HPV DNA found in multiple samples of Gardasil
            SEPTEMBER 2, 2011 (Referenced)
            http://sanevax.org/sane-vax-to-fda-recombinant-hpv-dna-found-in-multiple-samples-of-gardasil/

            Confirmatory detection of human papillomavirus (HPV) L1 gene DNA sequences in the quadrivalent HPV vaccine Gardasil®

            Our observations confirm independently and extend the previous observations by Lee SH, without using conflicting nested PCR detection possibly subjected to contamination. Persistence in muscle tissue of residual HPV DNA fragments is uncertain after intramuscular injection, and requires further investigation for vaccination safety.

            http://sanevax.org/gardasil-contaminant-confirmed-independent-lab/

            Entropy 2012, 14(8), 1399-1442; doi:10.3390/e14081399
            Review
            The Initial Common Pathway of Inflammation, Disease, and Sudden Death, Robert M. Davidson 1,* and Stephanie Seneff

            Gardasil

            Page 419-420

            2.9. Acute Shock and Role of Endothelial NOS-derived NO in SDS

            Anaphylactic shock is a sudden, life-threatening allergic reaction associated with severe hypotension. Platelet-activating factor (PAF) is implicated in the cardiovascular dysfunctions occurring in various shock syndromes, including anaphylaxis. Anaphylactic shock is especially associated with quadrivalent HPV vaccine, which contains aluminum hydroxide. Based on the number of confirmed cases, the estimated rate of anaphylaxis following quadrivalent HPV vaccine was significantly higher than identified in comparable school-based delivery of other vaccines [282].

            In this review, we have described several of the adverse biophysical properties associated with cationic surfactants, Al3+ salts, and non-ionic surfactants. The U.S. CDC VAERS database provides considerable evidence of life threatening anaphylactic shock and anaphylactoid events associated with HPV vaccine, as well as with all of the aluminum (3+) containing vaccines, some of which resulted in sudden death. The U.S. CDC Vaccine Excipient & Media Summary states, “Excipients are inactive ingredients of a drug product necessary for production of a finished pharmaceutical formulation.” In the February 2012 update, the CDC disclosed that excipients in U.S. HPV vaccine include amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate, polysorbate 80, and sodium borate (from the manufacturer’s package insert of March, 2011). The relevance to SDS is apparent from reports of unexplained deaths of some women attributed to HPV vaccines in the CDC VAERS database, some of which were described variably as death during sleep or while bathing.

            A reasonable question should be raised as to the purported safety and alleged biologic inactivity of the ingredients in the HPV vaccine, particularly aluminum, polysorbate 80, and sodium borate. Moreover, a further reasonable question should be Entropy 2012, 14 1420 raised as to the purported safety and alleged biologic inactivity of all of the aluminum and polysorbate 80 containing vaccines. This question may be further explored by analysis of the CDC VAERS database.

            For example, CDC VAERS report ID: 337242 states “my daughter had her 3rd GARDASIL vaccine in Sept. She was a very healthy young lady, she went to take a shower and died. Autopsy report states undermined [undetermined] death. There was no sign of trauma to the body to indicate a fall. She had pointed the shower head away from her and she got down on her knees and put her head on the edge of the tub and passed away.”

            Sources: http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/8/1399
            http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/Entropy/Entropy1_downloaded.pdf

          • US court pays $6 million to Gardasil victims

            WASHINGTON, April 10, 2013 – Gardasil, the vaccine for HPV (human papillomavirus), may not be as safe as backers claim.

            Judicial Watch announced it has received documents from the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) revealing that its National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) has awarded $5,877,710 dollars to 49 victims in claims made against the highly controversial HPV (human papillomavirus) vaccines. To date 200 claims have been filed with VICP, with barely half adjudicated.

            “This new information from the government shows that the serious safety concerns about the use of Gardasil have been well-founded. Public health officials should stop pushing Gardasil on children.” said Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton.

            Read more:
            http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/stress-and-health-dr-lind/2013/apr/10/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/

          • Breaking Report: HPV Cancers Rising In Spite of Vaccination
            http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/breaking-report-hpv-cancers-rising-spite-vaccination

            HPV vaccines and cancer prevention, science versus activism

            Abstract

            The rationale behind current worldwide human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccination programs starts from two basic premises, 1) that HPV vaccines will prevent cervical cancers and save lives and, 2) have no risk of serious side effects. Therefore, efforts should be made to get as many pre-adolescent girls vaccinated in order to decrease the burden of cervical cancer. Careful analysis of HPV vaccine pre- and post-licensure data shows however that both of these premises are at odds with factual evidence and are largely derived from significant misinterpretation of available data.

            5. Can an accurate estimate of the real frequency of HPV-vaccine related adverse reactions be made if appropriate follow-up and thorough investigation of suspected vaccine related ADRs is not conducted but instead, these cases are a-priori dismissed as being unrelated to the vaccine?

            Indeed, the optimistic assumption that HPV vaccination (even if proven effective against cervical cancer as claimed), will result in 70% reduction of cervical cancers appears to be largely based on premature, exaggerated and invalid surrogate marker-based extrapolations [2,11]. Crucially, these assumptions failed to take into account several important real-world factors such as:

            (1) reliability of surrogate-markers (i.e., whether they can accurately measure what they are purport to measure);

            (2) efficacy against oncogenic HPV strains not covered by the vaccine;

            (3) possibility of increased frequency of infections with these types;

            (4) efficacy in women acquiring multiple HPV types;

            (5) effects in women with pre-existing HPV infections

            6. Why are women not informed of the fact that in some circumstances (i.e., prior exposure to vaccine-targeted and non-targeted HPV types), HPV vaccination may accelerate the progression of cervical abnormalities [4,26-28]?

            7. How can women make a fully informed decision about whether or not to consent to vaccination if crucial information regarding HPV vaccine efficacy and safety is not being disclosed to them?

            8. Should the medical health regulators and authorities rely solely on data provided by the vaccine manufacturers to make vaccine-policy decisions and recommendations [12,29]?

            http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/8/1/6

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23016780

          • HPV Vaccine Maker’s Study Proves Natural HPV Infection Beneficial, Not Deadly

            HPV Infection Protects Against New Infection and Cervical ‘Premalignancies’

            The groundbreaking new study titled, Risk of newly detected infections and cervical abnormalities in women seropositive for naturally-acquired HPV-16/18 antibodies: analysis of the control arm of PATRICIA, analyzed data from the non-vaccinated control arm of the Papilloma Trial against Cancer in Young Adults (PATRICIA), to ascertain whether natural HPV16 and HPV18 antibodies reduced the risk for new HPV infection and/or cervical abnormalities over a 300 day period. A total of 16,656 women were included in the study’s control arm (8,193 women in the HPV16 analysis and 8,463 women in the HPV18 analysis), with none of the women being administered the HPV vaccine.

            Read more:
            http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/hpv-vaccine-maker-s-study-shows-natural-hpv-infection-beneficial-not-deadly

            The HPV Vaccine – The Breakdown
            http://focusautisminc.org/the-hpv-vaccine/​

            Gardasil: Are you paying for your own bullet?

            Dr. Dalbergue stated:

            I predict that Gardasil will become the greatest medical scandal of all times because at some point in time, the evidence will add up to prove that this vaccine has absolutely no effect on cervical cancer and that all the very many adverse effects which destroy lives and even kill, serve no other purpose than to generate profit for the manufacturers

            Read more:
            http://sanevax.org/gardasil-paying-for-your-own-bullet/

            REVIEW ARTICLE
            Human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine policy and evidence-basedmedicine: Are they at odds?
            http://www.scribd.com/doc/127818325/Annals-of-Medicine-HPV-Vaccine

            Vertical Transmission of the Human Papillomavirus: A Systematic Quantitative Review

            According to the American Cancer Society (ACS) there are 150 strains of human papilloma virus (HPV) and 12 of those strains are considered “high risk” for causing cancer. The ACS indicates 2 other strains are considered “low risk” for causing cancer. Both Merck’s Gardasil™ and GlaxoSmithKline’s Cervarix™ have protection from 2 of the 12 “high risk” strains (HPV-16 and HPV-18). Merck’s Gardasil™ further covers 2 other strains which the ACS classifies as “low risk” for causing cancer.

            A myth reported consistently by the media is the HPV vaccine is a “cancer prevention vaccine.” There has never been any scientific data to qualify this statement as the vaccine was never studied long enough to show it indeed prevents cancer.

            Read more:
            http://www.ashotoftruth.org/vaccines/hpv-vaccine

            Gardasil Impact Stories
            Personal Stories of The Impact:
            http://www.ashotoftruth.org/gardasil-impact-stories

            Death after quadrivalent human papillomavirus (qHPV) vaccination: Causal or coincidental?
            October 7, 2012
            By Lucija Tomljenovic, University of British Columbia, Canada

            Presented at the International Conference on Pharmacovigilance and Clinical Trials, 1-3 October 2012

            Herein reported is the case of a 15-year-old female without a relevant medical history, who developed severe headaches, speech problems, dizziness, weakness, inability to walk, depressed consciousness, confusion, amnesia and vomiting, 14 days after receiving her first qHPV vaccine injection. After the second vaccine booster, her symptoms worsened and she expired 15 days later. Autopsy revealed cerebral oedema and cerebellar herniation indicative of a focally disrupted blood-brain barrier.

            There was no evidence of an active brain infection. Immunohistochemistry (IHC) examination of the brainstem, hippocampus and the cerebellum showed prominent infiltration of T-lymphocytes and macrophages in all brain areas examined. Notably, marked activation of the complement membrane attack complex (MAC) was detected in the cerebellar Purkinje cells, hippocampal neurons and portions of the brainstem. This pattern of MAC activation in the absence of an active brain infection indicates an abnormal triggering of the immune response in which the immune attack is directed towards self-tissue. Elevation of the pro-inflammatory IL-1 cytokine and intense micro- and astrogliosis were also evident in the patient’s brain. Altogether these observations strongly indicate that the acute neuronal damage resulting in patient’s death was due to an aberrant/excessive autoimmune and inflammatory response triggered by the vaccinations she received. Both the timing of the onset of symptoms as well as their nature, are consistent with previous case reports where causality between vaccination and the ensuing brain damage and/or death, was either demonstrated or strongly suspected. It thus appears that in some cases vaccination may be the triggering factor of fatal autoimmune/neurological events and physicians should be aware of this association.

            http://www.ahrp.org/cms/content/view/884/52/

      • How can a vaccine influence the genetic code?

        For that answer, read the recent research studies that have been done?

        Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
        http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

        RNA Viruses Are Being Exposed As Man-made And Vaccines Are The Carriers Spreading Disease Without Any Visible Signs
        http://preventdisease.com/news/14/110614_RNA-Viruses-Exposed-Manmade-Vaccines-Spreading-Disease.shtml

        • Boris Ogon

          How can a vaccine influence the genetic code?

          For that answer, read the recent research studies that have been done?

          No, Lodwill, explain it in your own words. Hell, give me the actual paper that your second link invokes. Mihalovic seems to have omitted it. Oh, and “This is not new research” + “Blankenship” only turns up regurgitations of Mihalovic. Where, exactly, is this Morgan Blankenship an “Infectious Disease Specialist” at?

          • wzrd1

            Well, one could use one of two causes to create that change.
            Epigenetics or magic.
            Oh wait, epigenetics doesn’t cause DNA change.
            Magic.

            For other than mutation, the only other cause of DNA change would be a retrovirus.

            • Boris Ogon

              You forgot homologous recombinaltion tiniker.

            • wzrd1

              Fair enough. Was in a bit of a hurry, was getting ready to head out to work. Thanks for the catch!

    • lilady R.N.

      I thought you stated that your daughter is a “med student”, who will dissuade her young patients from receiving the Gardasil vaccine?

      Now you claim your daughter is a PhD student. You do know, don’t you, that PhD’s in any field do not prescribe medicines to anyone?

      I’m beginning to think you an ignorant lying troll and I know you probably dropped out of school before your high school graduation.

      • km

        It scares me you a free e an RN. I said she is going for her PHD. She graduated from UC Davis and is now at John Hopkins. This is the lack of attention that is provided by people trying to push Th eye will regarding things without long hard looks at long term ramifications. .

        • lilady R.N.

          Would you like some dressing for that word salad?

          “….Over the generations we have altered hormones and girls are using them earlier than ever which means longer exposure….”

          You have not provided any plausible reason for your “belief” about Gardasil vaccine.

          • km

            Yes please, I have never claimed it didn’t work or it definetly has ramifications. You and others are claiming it is perfectly safe just as we thought birth control pills were. It took time to realize the effects of blood pressure, ovarian cysts and blood clots even though we the public were told it was tested and perfectly safe. Now we may be able to add autism to the list of the pill. We will have to wait some time for those studies to conclude. You cannot say with 100% certainty it is safe and has no ramifications. So before pushing push science to the limit and get a 98% or better of nonside effects. Don’t speak in such absolutes .

            • Boris Ogon

              Now we may be able to add autism to the list of the pill. We will have to wait some time for those studies to conclude.

              Which studies would those be? This particular stool specimen has been floating for at least seven years.

            • km

              But what if it is true? We are playing with hormones wlthst are vital to pregnancy. When we keep the levels too high the body stops producing them at least at the same levels. It very well could. These are the kind of long term effects that need to be studied before we push drugs on people.

            • wzrd1

              It is fortunate that the body does reduce those hormones, my youngest daughter’s suffering from PCOS would be much greater if that were not the case.
              You do realize, when you cease taking the hormone, the body produces it again, don’t you?
              The claim that blood clots and birth control pills are linked is well known, blood clots and the menstrual cycle were also well known, even back in the 1970’s. By your standard, women didn’t evolve with a uterus and ovaries or something.

        • Boris Ogon

          It scares me you a free e an RN. I said she is going for her PHD.

          “That is up to her. She is a med student across the country from.”

          Oh, but you also said you were a quantum physicist.

      • Boris Ogon

        The only relevant person in the JHU directory is in a terminal master’s program in clinical mental health counseling.

        • lilady R.N.

          Thanks Boris Ogon.

      • How about if you just stick to the debate, with facts? Your preempted and juvenile level of personal attacks serve for only destroying your own credibility; and that is in assuming or providing that you had any to begin with.

        • lilady R.N.

          How about you crawl back into the hole you crawled out of Hubbs?

        • lilady R.N.

          When you or the other trolls present facts…not conspiracies based on crap science…I’ll reply Hubbs.

          In the meantime, why don’t you haunt another blog?

        • Boris Ogon

          Lodwill, what the fuck do you think “preempted” means?

        • lilady R.N.

          Heh. Where’s Dr. Han Sin Lee, the crank HPV researcher who got his butt kicked out of of Medford Hospital, Connecticut for running those bogus HPV and Lyme disease tests, Hubbs?

          In fact where’s mommy “Jess” and her daughter who showed up a at a science blog and who both claim that the daughter had serious reactions from HPV vaccines?

          Jess, was at the time she posted those comments, on that science blog, and who actually was a registered nurse, couldn’t tell the difference between latent varicella vaccine which causes shingles and actual HPV infection.

          I just love it, when trolls come over to science blogs from SaneVax to post comments about severe adverse reactions from a vaccine….without any plausible links and try to “impress” us with their ignorance:

          http://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.com/2012/05/review-revisit-recap.html#comment-form

          And you Hubbs? You’re a high school dropout, a conspiracist with a wet brain, a bicycle thief, a convicted felon and about the most deranged individual who ever posted here.

          Now, back off your computer, take some more drugs, sleep off your latest drunk and stay away from those drugs you score on the street.

        • wzrd1

          How is it a personal attack to call into question the credibility of someone who has a daughter variously young enough to receive HPV vaccine, is in medical school and how is getting her PhD?
          Who makes interesting claims on thermodynamics, yet the claims are just… Wrong. As in uneducated in the field wrong, yet proclaims holding a degree in “fuel cell design”.
          That even gets evolution wrong.
          Who can’t even grasp basic immunology.

  • Jorge H. R.

    Excellent comments! Thank you for sharing (I just shared via my blog, please let me know if that is ok):

    http://chaoticpharmacology.wordpress.com/2014/09/27/your-one-stop-shop-for-real-science-and-myth-debunking-about-gardasil-skeptical-raptor-blog/

    I would like to share with you the analysis of ClinicalTrials.gov registries of human papillomavirus vaccine & an open letter to Colombian news media:

    http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5631/rr/763638

    Cheers

    Jorge

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  • lilady R.N.

    The saddest part of that Fishman, et al, article, is that there is no additional uptake of Gardasil vaccine, no matter what the prior level of knowledge is among the young woman or their parents.

    • Sandy Perlmutter

      It apparently is up to the doctor. If the doctor is very much in favour of the vaccine, the patient will have it.

  • I don’t have many followers, Doctor, but I’m tweeting out the link to this post. Maybe other readers will, too, and we can get #gardasilissafe&effective to trend.

  • Sandy Perlmutter

    Great! What we need is a requirement that every child entering middle school have the vaccine. Lots of luck getting that one passed.

    This one is about CANCER. What so difficult to understand? Forget about STI and emphasize CANCER PREVENTION! Everyone is going to have sex sometime, and it would be better not to be either giving or receiving CANCER in the process.