What religions actually state about vaccines

©New York Times, 2010.
©New York Times, 2010.

Yesterday, I wrote an article about a father who is suing the New York Department of Education to force a school to allow his unvaccinated son into school. The basis of his lawsuit is that vaccination is against his religious beliefs. He is a Roman Catholic, and as far as I could find, the Catholic Church strongly supports vaccination, even making it a moral and ethical issue by clearly stating that “there would seem to be no proper grounds for refusing immunization against dangerous contagious diseases…” In other words, not only is the Catholic Church not opposed to vaccination, it seems to indicate that it would immoral to not vaccinate.

In a comment on Facebook to my blog post, someone pointed me to a fascinating systematic review of the dogma of several religions with respect to vaccines and specific components of vaccines. The article was published in the highly respected and peer-reviewed medical journal, Vaccine, one of the top journals for vaccine research. The piece was penned by John D Grabenstein, a religious expert on vaccines who happens to be employed by Merck, a major manufacturer of vaccines. I don’t usually point out these potential conflicts of interest, because I firmly reject the Big Pharma Shill Gambit, which is a form of poisoning the well, that is discrediting someone by making a nefarious link between a researcher and a pharmaceutical company. Moreover, Grabenstein’s article is a review about religious beliefs, peer reviewed by others, and not making some claims that vaccines stop cancer. Of course, Gardasil, made by Merck, does stop cancer, but that has nothing to do with Grabenstein or this article.*

Since the article sits behind a pay-wall (complaint #47 about these scientific article pay-walls–how are we to intelligently discuss real science, if the articles cost us $25 or more to access). Well, I got access to the article, so I thought I would summarize religious beliefs about vaccination. If you run across someone claiming that their religion is against vaccinations, you can check here, although, admittedly, the article only covers mainstream religions.

  • Hinduism. Hindus advocate for a respect for life, and thus, support technology that allows people to live longer and healthier. None of the four major sects of Hinduism have ever stated a concern with vaccination. Moreover, Hindus venerate cows, and thus do not eat beef, but no Hindu sect has opposed vaccines that are manufactured from bovine components. According to Grabenstein, “vaccination is widely accepted in predominantly Hindu countries.”
  • Buddhism. Around 1022-1063 CE, a written account described how a Buddhist nun used the process called variolation, which is a form of inoculation. In this case, she ground up smallpox scabs then put it in the nose of non-immune individuals, an early form of nasal vaccines I suppose. The 14th Dalai Lama, the current incumbent, was involved in a polio vaccination program. There are no religious texts or doctrine that oppose vaccines, and predominantly Buddhist countries are rather pro-vaccination.
  • Jainism. A small religion with just a small number (around 5-6 million) of adherents in a few countries. The author probably included them because of their strong belief in non-violence, which even makes it difficult for them to take antibiotics, which kill microorganisms. However, they have a strong tradition of allowing violent self-defense to allow humans to survive (like killing animals for food, or vaccines causing the immune system to kill microorganisms), so vaccinations have never been prohibited by the religion.
  • Judaism. Jews traditionally expect certain actions of its believers to maintain health and that would include vaccination. In addition, Judaism emphasizes the community over the individual in disease prevention, on of the more critical aspects of community wide vaccinations. In fact, Jewish scholars encouraged smallpox variolation in the era before the availability of vaccines. In the 1850s, distinguished Rabbi Yisroel Lipshutz described Edward Jenner as a “righteous gentile,” for his efforts in developing smallpox vaccination. (If I were a distinguished rabbi, I would add Jonas Salk and Paul Offit to righteous gentiles. Well, Salk was Jewish and I am unfamiliar with Offit’s religion, so “righteous gentiles” might not work.) Orthodox Rabbis have set aside Shabbat restrictions on observant Jews to get vaccinate in the not-too-distant past when vaccines were only intermittently available. One myth, debunked many time, is that because vaccines are often made of pork, and consumption of pork is restricted by Jewish dietary law. However, this prohibition of non-Kosher food, like pork, is usually agreed to mean oral consumption only, not when delivered by injection. Grabenstein concludes that, “Based on this review, contemporary Jewish vaccine decliners are more likely to cite concerns about vaccine safety than to invoke a specific religious doctrine that has not been considered by acknowledged Jewish scholars.”
  • Christians. According to Grabenstein, most Christian churches have no specific scriptural or canonical objection to the use of vaccines. He included the following Christian churches in the list: Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox Churches, Amish, Anglican, Baptist, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS), Congregational, Episcopalian, Lutheran, Methodist (including African Methodist Episcopal), Pentecostal, Presbyterian, and Seventh-Day Adventist Church. Roman Catholics and some other denominations have expressed concerns about the aborted fetal tissues used in manufacturing some vaccines, although this concern has never included a formal restriction, by doctrine, of vaccination.
  • Amish. One of the enduring myths of the vaccine deniers is that Amish communities do not get vaccinated. However, there is no prohibition against vaccines by the Amish church, and vaccination rates vary between different communities. And leaders of communities that get hit by a vaccine preventable disease outbreak are more often accepting of immunization.
  • Christian Scientists (or more formally, Church of Christ, Scientist). Christian Scientists fundamentally believe that diseases are not real, and can be healed with focused prayer from one of their “practitioners.” Ironically, Christian Scientists do not have rules against vaccination, but it’s often recommended that they pray to be rid of any bad effects of the vaccine. Because Christian Scientist “medical practitioners” lack knowledge of many rare vaccine preventable diseases, it can spread through one of their communities fairly quickly. In those cases, traditionally, the church accepts vaccination of their adherents.
  • Dutch Reformed Church. Members of this church have had a tradition of refusing vaccines going as far back as the early vaccinations for smallpox in the early 1800’s. Most of this early vaccine refusal was because of the observed adverse events with the vaccines of that era (yeah, it’s an ongoing issue for vaccine deniers), although it has evolved into formal belief that vaccines interfere with the relationship with their god. Because of this vaccine refusal, there have been paralytic poliomyelitis, measles, congenital rubella syndrome, and mumps outbreaks. In 2013, a major outbreak of measles hit a Dutch Reformed community in the Netherlands, with 1226 reported cases. Of the 1,226 cases, 176 (14.4%) had complications including encephalitis (1 case), pneumonia (90 cases) and otitis media (66 cases) and 82 (6.7%) were admitted to hospital, which should debunk that belief that measles isn’t a serious disease.
  • Jehovah’s Witnesses. This church has instructed its adherents to refuse transfusions of whole blood and the use of certain blood components, such as red blood cells, plasma, and other components–they consider the use of blood to be a violation of the law of their god. During the 1920’s through 40’s, the church was opposed to vaccination based on their doctrine about human blood. However, by the early 1950’s, the church took a neutral stance about vaccinations until the 1990’s when began to acknowledge the clinical value of vaccinations. They seem to strongly endorse the importance of hepatitis vaccinations.
  • Islam. Muslims are prohibited from consuming pork, much like Jews. And much like Jewish authorities making broad exceptions to their dietary laws for vaccinations because of their lifesaving value. It is based on the “law of necessity” in Islamic jurisprudence: “That which is necessary makes the forbidden permissible” in exceptional circumstances. Numerous Islamic authorities and medical scholars agree that many immunizations are obligatory, when the disease risk is high, far outweighing any risk from the vaccine. As opposed to many churches, Islam seems to endorse vaccines rather than just not be opposed to them.

This covers almost all of the mainstream religions. And aside from the Dutch Reformed Church, there does not appear to be a formal antivaccine doctrine in any of the major religions around the world. When someone makes a claim that their religion is opposed to vaccines, I become suspicious that it is just a smokescreen for a personal refusal of vaccinations, irrespective of actual religious doctrine.

Grabenstein’s meta-review of religious beliefs about vaccines uncover a major problem in the whole “religious exemption” to vaccines scam. If you cherry-picked information about any religion, you could probably make a convincing argument that the religion is opposed to vaccinations. An ultra-orthodox sect of Judaism is very opposed to vaccines, but it is so far out of the mainstream Judaism, that I sincerely doubt any children in the sect would be going to a regular public school. What if a parent makes a claim that they are Jewish, and one rabbi says that vaccines are bad? Are we expecting a school administrator to ascertain the validity of their religion, or whether they actually adhere to that ultra-orthodox sect? Or to spend time investigating whether a parent is representing a “real” religion (in my world view, all religions are equally bogus) or some made-up version of some unknown religion?

One could argue that we don’t let a school administrator make that decision, and that they should just accept the claims of the parent. But that breaks down the system of protecting children through vaccination. If I were making the decision, all exemptions, personal or religious, would be immediately placed in abeyance. Either vaccinate your children (unless there is a very strong case of the necessity of a medical exemption) or find a private school that doesn’t demand vaccinations (if you can find one). The whole idea that antivaccination gangsters are abusing religious exemptions to put their children at harm is repugnant to me on so many levels.

* If you’re going to make some nonsense personal attack on Grabenstein’s character in the comments here based on his employment at Merck, it better be supported by legal documents or some other evidence, or I will mock you mercilessly. And I will enjoy every minute of the mockery.

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  • John

    What’s sad to me is not that Pharma is lying to us, buying our government officials to FORCE us to pay for chemicals to be stuck into our bodies: nor that they found a way to not even be responsible for the damages that they cause (we, the people pay for it through the Vaccine Victim Fund)…they are a business looking to increase their profits…what saddens me the most is that 95% of Americans are brainwashed to believe they are doing this for us…Not saying that all Medicine and Science is bad, but we have to think and use our reasoning to decide which is good and which is bad. Blindly spewing their own propaganda, without thinking for ourselves, is exactly what they are counting on…think for yourselves America…we are going to destroy the human race if we don’t question at least a little bit? Maybe SOME vaccines are indeed useful, but we have to ask some simple questions and use our intelligence to determine which ones are and which ones aren’t…it is OUR bodies and our health we are talking about…it is worth considering some facts!

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  • Rebecca

    My children are 3rd generation non-vaxers. I was raised as a Christian Scientist and your claims about that religion are false. We don’t go to doctors, take medicine of any kind, or get vaccines. I had Measles at age 1.5 and Chicken Pox around age 7.

    I/we attended a school that was (at the time) strictly CS families, and if/when a chicken pox outbreak happened, the school simply shut down for 2 weeks. My siblings and I also attended public schools and exemption was accepted. (I did go to the library during health class).

    I realize I am not in the “norm” of non-vaxers, it’s simply what I know. I understand the importance of vaccines, but it’s alarming to me, that in 1950 a child under age 6 got 7 vaccines. Now, they get 36 by the age of 6. That’s NUTS!!!!

    I don’t understand why parents of vaccinated children see un-vaccinated children as threats. If vaccines work, then, logically, what is the problem? For example, live vaccines shed and can spread the disease. If anything, the non-vaxers are the “susceptible” ones…… Thanks for this outlet.
    P.S. You spelled “discuss” wrong. ;)

    • Concubine

      How is that nuts? You really think that as humans we would have been incapable of creating more vaccines for ourselves in the last 50-60 some odd years? If it’s available, why not take advantage if it? Also, real brilliant of a school to “simply shut down for two weeks.”. It doesn’t even sound like there were any make up days otherwise you would know that vaccines are hardly “live” nor actually pose the risk you are speaking of.

  • Anna

    Religions are basically man made.. Latin Kings are a gang but they state thats their religion. Come on. Wake up. I dont follow a religion. I follow God. To me there is only one God creator of man. You have to go by the bible. If you ever read it you can learn something.

    This atrocity called Vaccines, man made for dishonest gain… IS A SIN!
    Who are you or anybody to tell us.. Oh.. Wait! im sorry, i mean, to obligate us to put garbage into our bodies and poison ourselves and our kids?
    These are false prophets telling us yea this garbage is gonna save you.. God is going to save you. Diseases are evil.. So you put evil into your body to save yourself? At the end you are not saving yourself because your soul is not longer pure.
    All you need is faith and be a true believer of god not of man.

    1 Corinthians 3:16

    Do you not know that you are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in you?

    Acts 15:29

    That you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you keep yourselves from these, you will do well. Farewell.”

    Colossians 2:8

    See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ.

    1 Timothy 6:20-21

    O Timothy, guard the deposit entrusted to you. Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called “knowledge,” for by professing it some have swerved from the faith. Grace be with you.

    1 Thessalonians 5:23

    Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    Proverbs 14:12

    There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.

    2 Peter 1:1

    Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ:

    1 Thessalonians 4:17

    Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

    Philippians 4:6

    Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God.

    Luke 17:2

    It would be better for him if a millstone were hung around his neck and he were cast into the sea than that he should cause one of these little ones to sin.

    Revelation 20:4-5

    Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection.

    Revelation 3:19

    Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent.

    Revelation 1:8

    “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

    Jude 1:9

    But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.”

    Jude 1:7

    Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

    Jude 1:4

    For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

    Jude 1:3

    Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints.

    3 John 1:2

    Beloved, I pray that all may go well with you and that you may be in good health, as it goes well with your soul.

    1 John 5:6-8

    This is he who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not by the water only but by the water and the blood. And the Spirit is the one who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth. For there are three that testify: the Spirit and the water and the blood; and these three agree.

    1 John 5:2

    By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and obey his commandments.

    1 John 5:1

    Everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ has been born of God, and everyone who loves the Father loves whoever has been born of him.

    1 John 4:15

    Whoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him, and he in God.

    1 John 4:12

    No one has ever seen God; if we love one another, God abides in us and his love is perfected in us.

    1 John 4:7

    Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves has been born of God and knows God.

    1 John 3:24

    Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

    1 John 3:15

    Everyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

    1 John 3:6

    No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.

    1 John 3:5

    You know that he appeared to take away sins, and in him there is no sin.

    1 John 2:28

    And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming.

    1 John 2:15

    Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

    1 John 1:5

    This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

    2 Peter 3:10-13

    But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved, and the earth and the works that are done on it will be exposed. Since all these things are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

    2 Peter 2:20

    For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first.

    2 Peter 2:1

    But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you, who will secretly bring in destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing upon themselves swift destruction.

    1 Peter 4:5-6

    But they will give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead. For this is why the gospel was preached even to those who are dead, that though judged in the flesh the way people are, they might live in the spirit the way God does.

    1 Peter 3:20

    Because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

    1 Peter 3:19

    In which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,

    1 Peter 3:18-20

    For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison, because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.

    1 Peter 3:18

    For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,

    1 Peter 2:24

    He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.

    James 1:27

    Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.

    Hebrews 13:20

    Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant,

    Hebrews 13:10

    We have an altar from which those who serve the tent have no right to eat.

    Hebrews 13:8

    Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever.

    Hebrews 12:22

    But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,

    Hebrews 11:16

    But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared for them a city.

    Hebrews 10:38

    But my righteous one shall live by faith, and if he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.”

    Hebrews 10:29

    How much worse punishment, do you think, will be deserved by the one who has spurned the Son of God, and has profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and has outraged the Spirit of grace?

    Hebrews 10:15-17

    And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

    Hebrews 9:28

    So Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

    Hebrews 6:18

    So that by two unchangeable things, in which it is impossible for God to lie, we who have fled for refuge might have strong encouragement to hold fast to the hope set before us.

    Hebrews 6:2

    And of instruction about washings, the laying on of hands, the resurrection of the dead, and eternal judgment.

    Hebrews 3:1

    Therefore, holy brothers, you who share in a heavenly calling, consider Jesus, the apostle and high priest of our confession,

    Hebrews 1:13

    And to which of the angels has he ever said, “Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a footstool for your feet”?

    Hebrews 1:12

    Like a robe you will roll them up, like a garment they will be changed. But you are the same, and your years will have no end.”

    Hebrews 1:10-11

    And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands; they will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment,

    Hebrews 1:10

    And, “You, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of your hands;

    Hebrews 1:6

    And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, “Let all God’s angels worship him.”

    Hebrews 1:3

    He is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature, and he upholds the universe by the word of his power. After making purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,

    Titus 2:13

    Waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

    Titus 1:1

    Paul, a servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the sake of the faith of God’s elect and their knowledge of the truth, which accords with godliness,

    2 Timothy 4:22

    The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you.

    2 Timothy 4:1

    I charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:

    2 Timothy 2:22

    So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.

    2 Timothy 2:2

    And what you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses entrust to faithful men who will be able to teach others also.

    2 Timothy 1:6

    For this reason I remind you to fan into flame the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands,

    1 Timothy 5:23

    (No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.)

    1 Timothy 4:1

    Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons,

    1 Timothy 3:8

    Deacons likewise must be dignified, not double-tongued, not addicted to much wine, not greedy for dishonest gain.

    1 Timothy 2:5

    For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

    1 Timothy 1:1

    Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by command of God our Savior and of Christ Jesus our hope,

    2 Thessalonians 3:6

    Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.

    2 Thessalonians 2:15

    So then, brothers, stand firm and hold to the traditions that you were taught by us, either by our spoken word or by our letter.

    2 Thessalonians 1:12

    So that the name of our Lord Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in him, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

    1 Thessalonians 3:13

    So that he may establish your hearts blameless in holiness before our God and Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus with all his saints.

    1 Thessalonians 2:13

    And we also thank God constantly for this, that when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as the word of men but as what it really is, the word of God, which is at work in you believers.

    Colossians 2:11

    In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ,

    Colossians 2:10

    And you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.

    Colossians 2:9

    For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

    Colossians 2:2

    That their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God’s mystery, which is Christ,

    Colossians 1:27

    To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

    Colossians 1:26

    The mystery hidden for ages and generations but now revealed to his saints.

    Colossians 1:19

    For in him all the fullness of God was pleased to dwell,

    Philippians 3:9

    And be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—

    Philippians 2:10-11

    So that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    Ephesians 4:30

    And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

    Ephesians 1:4

    Even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love

    Galatians 4:9

    But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

    Galatians 4:6

    And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!”

    2 Corinthians 13:5

    Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!

    2 Corinthians 5:21

    For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

    2 Corinthians 5:8

    Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

    2 Corinthians 1:22

    And who has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.

    2 Corinthians 1:20

    For all the promises of God find their Yes in him. That is why it is through him that we utter our Amen to God for his glory.

    2 Corinthians 1:19

    For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, whom we proclaimed among you, Silvanus and Timothy and I, was not Yes and No, but in him it is always Yes.

    1 Corinthians 16:22-23

    If anyone has no love for the Lord, let him be accursed. Our Lord, come! The grace of the Lord Jesus be with you.

    1 Corinthians 16:8

    But I will stay in Ephesus until Pentecost,

    1 Corinthians 15:3

    For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,

    1 Corinthians 12:13

    For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body—Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit.

    1 Corinthians 12:11

    All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.

    • Concubine

      There’s that cherry-picking bullshit he was just talking about…

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  • Anna

    i hope you all know what vaccines are made of… aborted fetuses, chemicals, poison put into our body… that all is against God. and against ourselves.. Nobody understands that they are mandatory not because it protects us.. but because its a business to them.

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      There are no “gods.” Thus, that’s an irrelevant argument.

      However, vaccines save lives. Unless you have scientific evidence that doesn’t rely upon a mythical magical being in the sky which shows anything in a vaccine is dangerous in a clinical trial, you really should be quiet.

      • Anna

        Well somebody is going to end up with their foot in their mouth and I really hope that somebody you love doesnt end up in a wheel chair or maybe dead because of this vaccines. You would regret everything you trying to get people to believe vaccines are good for you. Do you even know the components of them? Not even doctors.. maybe a few of them if they really care for why they do and their patients.. Most just order them because the law says so. Who says is right or good for is to put human dead fetuses and animal dead fetuses, chemichals, poison, mercury and so much more thats just nasty.

        The Hepatitis-A vaccine containing MRC-5 is obtained from human babies that were electively aborted. WI-38 was created from the tissue of an aborted fetus and is used for the rubella portion of the MMR-II vaccine. RA 273 was created from the tissue of an aborted fetus, and is used for MMR-II vaccine. A conflict arises because my religious convictions are predicated on the belief that all life is sacred. God’s commandment “Thou Shall Not Kill” applies to the practice of abortion. The acceptance of this/these vaccine(s) promotes/promote abortion and violates the Sixth Commandment of “Thou Shall Not Kill”.

        The Chickenpox (Varivax) vaccine containing MRC-5 and RA 273, is obtained from human babies that were electively aborted. The acceptance of this vaccine promotes abortion and violates the Sixth Commandment of “Thou Shall Not Kill”.

        The Hepatitis-B vaccine susposedly protects against a disease that is only transmitted through multiple sexual partners or street IV drug users. The acceptance of this vaccine promotes sexual promiscuity and immoral behavior in direct contradiction to the teachings of my faith.

        For a child under age 18, where parent has to make the statement, concerning Hep B vaccine…
        The Hepatitis-B vaccine susposedly protects against a disease that is only transmitted through multiple sexual partners or street IV drug users and therefore usurps my parental authority to condemn such activity in my child. The acceptance of this vaccine promotes sexual promiscuity and immoral behavior in direct contradiction to the teachings of our faith.

        With this I only have left to say good luck..
        And if the pro vaccines side have indeed been vaccinated then why worry so much about the ones that havent.. Arent they saved already???

        • Concubine

          Ugh, it’s becoming more and more apparent that Anna is just a troll. Do not feed the trolls.

          • Rebecca

            His/This blog clearly encourages people to express thoughts and ideas. That’s what I gathered by reading his “About Me and This Blog” section.
            There are so many opinions about this issue, and I will continue to scroll to see what more you have contributed.
            This is a nice platform for sharing and discussing ideas. (I think).

      • John

        Save lives? or Kill lives? Find the truth…don’t just follow blindly…it’s all about money…they sell us the vaccines…when something goes wrong, we pay for it (Vaccine Victim fund comes from the tax payer’s money…3 billion dollars…not the pharma)…how can they force us to put something in our bodies that can actually cause damages worth 3 billion and MAKE US pay for it…why do we have to put a Hepatitis B vaccine in our newborns? It can only be caught through sex and syringe use!

        • Spencer James Smith

          even if it is not about money, its part of the UN agenda 21. they will find a way to make pharmacies give vaccines even if the pharmacies dont make that much money off of it. think how much money is spent by the NWO proponents in furthering their cause. and these are the richest people on earth anyway, they can afford it. they dont need to make money off of vaccines. most people associated with the pharmaceutical industry are probably doing it because most of them think its helpful which i am sure that is the case (its saving millions of lives, we dont need to make a big buck off of this). or the heads of big pharma are told to be higher ups to just do it.

      • Spencer James Smith

        you will feel differently about this when you see Him for judgment. and there is scientific evidence that has no link whatsoever to religion that goes against vaccines and agendas behind it. which goes back to my points in your other vaccine article. minority opinion vs. majority opinion. both contain scientists. one side states the studies on the other side have some flaw or misrepresentation, things being hidden, results being lied about, and the other side says the same thing about anti vax studies. and of course since the majority opinion is where all the funding is at, and political support, its very easy for them to make the other side look discredited. such as firing people, threatening people and “debunking” studies they did. as soon as a scientist for CDC becomes a whistle blower, all of the sudden they are crazy, and not a scientist anymore and a liar for saying things were covered up in the CDC. what would their motive be? o i would like be thought openly as a fool to the majority of the world and lose my job today, so i would like to make up some crap about the CDC covering up test results.

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  • Lizz

    We don’t necessarily have doctrine about it in the LDS church but vaccination does come up quite a bit in emergency preparedness literature and we’re strongly counseled to be vaccinated and the church has had a campaign in a few countries to vaccinate children against if I’m remembering right mumps. It actually comes up in general conference every now and again but mostly on the counsel to prepare every needful thing including your own health. So we may not have doctrine in the classical sense it is highly encouraged.

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      As someone who lived a big part of their life in Utah, I was well aware of the importance of vaccines to the people there.

      My company’s health department, who prepared those of us who travelled with proper vaccinations and medications, borrowed a couple of vaccines from the clinic that got missionaries ready for their 2 year trip.

      • Lizz

        We’ve been having a bit of a slip in Utah county that I’m not proud of among some of the more “interesting” Mormons. I actually wish we pushed in more in Church but we actually have a thing about not officially commenting on science unless ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY.

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  • Amanda Ross-White

    The paywall complaint is also a bit false. Have you people never heard of libraries?

    • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

      I personally don’t have an issue with paywalls, since I have access to all academic science and medical journals.

      Most libraries, even smaller colleges, do not have stacks of journals. A medical school might, but most researchers get journals online.

      Paywalls suck.

      • hyperzombie

        Paywalls suck.

        The thing I don’t get is if the public pays for the study, why can’t we look at it for free? If X company pays for a study I don’t care if it is behind a paywall, but if it is publically funded we should be able to view it for free.

        • Amanda Ross-White

          Most government funding agencies have Open Access policies, so you do get to see it, although not necessarily by publishing in an OA journal. And at least here in Canada, where universities are also publicly funded, you are more than welcome to come on in, use our computers to view these academic journals we pay for online. Even small public libraries will often buy copies if you make a special request (at no charge to you). The bigger barrier is not being able to see the study, but having the education and literacy skills to understand what you’re reading. I’ve taught plenty of medical students who when given an academic journal article still can’t answer basic statistical questions about it. And check out Beall’s List (http://scholarlyoa.com/) for an introduction into why OA sucks too.

          • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

            I’ll agree with that. Some open access stuff are junk, predatory journals. And because they’re more easily read, people give them so much credibility because of that.

        • http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php Skeptical Raptor

          No scientific article should be behind a paywall, but that’s probably a socialist belief. LOL.

          I think science should be open to everyone, so that people like me don’t have to go to another website, enter my credential, download the article. And even then, there are some journals that participate in a separate system, requiring different credentials. And then there are times, I just beg the author for a pdf.


          • chriss747

            Most journals are supported by professional society members and subscriptions. In order to be financially viable, they need to put their content behind paywalls.

            Is there a better way to publish research? Perhaps, but it must be financially sustainable. A “science should be open to everyone” quip isn’t the solution.

  • Roger Price

    Let’s make the point stronger. Approved vaccines, when taken non-orally, are not only safe and effective, but kosher too. See http://www.judaismandscience.com/a-nice-jewish-shot-why-vaccinations-are-kosher-and-required/

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    • Concubine

      I find that hard to believe seeing that you work at a hospital of all places..