Robert De Niro talks vaccines – misinformation and ignorance

I guess this story won’t die. After the huge kerfuffle with respect to the fraudumentary, Vaxxed, you’d think that I wouldn’t have to read anything where Robert De Niro talks vaccines – but alas, he is still pontificating on vaccine issues where he clearly is clueless.

In case you were on a trip to Ceti Alpha V, missing the whole Vaxxed/Tribeca Film Festival/Robert De Niro story, here’s a quick review:

So that should be the end of the story, right? Those of you who follow the anti-vaccination world understand that a story never really dies. It just becomes a zombie meme.

Robert De Niro talks vaccines

 

De Niro has decided to double down (I think this is the third time of doubling down, so he’s really into this) on the antivaccine trope. In an interview with Vulture, during the Cannes Film Festival, De Niro made it abundantly clear what he thought about vaccines and Vaxxed:

[infobox icon=”quote-left”]The movie is not hurting anybody. It says something. It said something to me that was valid. Maybe some things were inaccurate, but if the movie was 20 percent accurate, it was worth seeing. And they were saying it’s because of the filmmaker and he was discredited, but how was he discredited? By the medical establishment?[/infobox]

No, Mr. De Niro. It is harming people, by possibly convincing parents to not vaccinate their children against vaccine preventable diseases, like measles.

Some things were inaccurate? If it were 20% accurate – it wasn’t, the whole CDC issue has been convincingly refuted, and vaccines don’t cause autism – the 80% that’s inaccurate is based on lies, fraud, and basically unethical behavior on the part of Wakefield. You can read all about Wakefield’s fraud in articles by the investigative journalist, Brian Deerherehere, and here.

And yes Wakefield was discredited by the medical establishment. Is that supposed to be a criticism of who investigated Wakefield’s fraud? No, it means that Wakefield’s actions were, from a completely unbiased investigation, unethical, illegal and fraudulent.

But let’s continue with De Niro’s rant:

[infobox icon=”quote-left”]There’s a lot going on that I still don’t understand, but it makes me question the whole thing, and the whole vaccine issue is a real one. It’s big money. So it did get attention. I was happy about that. And I talked about another movie called Trace Amounts that I saw and spoke about it a lot, that people should see it, and it’s there. Something is there with vaccines, because they’re not tested in some ways the way other medicines are, and they’re just taken for granted and mandated in some states. And people do get sick from it. Not everybody, but certain people are sensitive, like anything, penicillin.[/infobox]

Well, Robert De Niro finally says something accurate – he doesn’t understand the issue. De Niro is taking the bully pulpit because he’s one of those wealthy privileged white males and has a lot of power in the movie industry.

But is he an epidemiologist? Nope. Immunologist? Nope. Physician? Nope. Respected scientist and biomedical researcher? Nope. He doesn’t have a college education in film let alone any science.

He’s wrong on other points. Are vaccines big money for pharmaceutical companies? Maybe, but if Big Pharma were motivated strictly by greed, they’d get rid of vaccines.

The other fraudumentary he mentions, Trace Amounts, lacks any scientific basis and is basically a propaganda piece for the anti-vaccine crowd.

And vaccines are very well tested, usually with large-scale (sometimes with n greater than 1 million) epidemiological case-control studies. The studies are so large, so well controlled, that any significant event related to vaccines would appear above the background level in a population. We haven’t seen this, especially with respect to vaccines and autism.

Then he brings up the strawman argument of “penicillin.” The antibiotic has a very specific reason why it causes allergic reactions in people. It is known. It is physiologically plausible. And it has nothing to do with vaccines.

Then the alarming part of this interview:

[infobox icon=”quote-left”]I’m working on something else. Harvey Weinstein and I are working on doing a documentary, but I don’t want to talk much about it, because when I talk about it, something happens. But that’s what we plan to try to do.[/infobox]

So Robert De Niro wants to push his anti-vaccine tropes in his own documentary? If he’s working with Harvey Weinstein, a wealthy and powerful film producer, who also co-owns, with his brother, a large film studio, then you know this anti-vaccine “documentary” will have Big Hollywood production values and marketing push.

This scares me, because De Niro can package Wakefield’s lies into a beautiful documentary with anecdotes and heart-tugging stories that will convince thousands or millions of people to not vaccinate their children. He’ll try to convince people that the CDC is a tool of vaccine manufactures, something to which he alluded in his interview.

De Niro likes to claim that he his not anti-vaccine, it’s just that he wants safer vaccines. But this is just a feint by those who are anti-science – the sum total of his statements show that he buys into the anti-vaccine tropes and has no clue that vaccines are not related to autism.

When Robert De Niro talks vaccines – we should all be scared for the health of all of our children.

The Original Skeptical Raptor
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