The antivaccine cult’s Argument by Vaccine Package Inserts

One of the cherished strategies of the antivaccine cult is to quote vaccine package inserts (called a Patient Information Leaflet in EU countries and Instructions for Use in the case of medical devices) to “prove” that vaccines are dangerous. Vaccine deniers consider the package insert to be golden tablets of the Truth™. It’s ironic that these antivaccine groupies rail against Big Pharma, as if they are demon reptilians, but the package insert, written by Big Pharma, is considered gospel. Irony abounds.

Just spend more than a couple of minutes in discussion with an antivaccine cultists, and you’ll get a reference to any of the many vaccine package inserts (PI) as “proof” that it is dangerous, contains dangerous stuff, or is just plain scary.

Orac has recently proclaimed it “Argument by Package Insert”–it’s almost at the level of logical fallacy. (David Gorski has just given it the Latin name, argumentum ad package insert, so it’s officially a logical fallacy.)

Before we start, vaccine package inserts are important documents, but only if the information included therein is properly understood. It is not a document that serves as medical and scientific gospel. But it is a document that can help clinicians use vaccines (or frankly, any medication) properly.

What is a Package Insert?

All of you have probably seen a package insert–it’s a multiple page document that is included with all real medications (as opposed to unregulated alternative medicine), whether prescription or over-the-counter (OTC). Depending on the type of drug, the PI can be 30-40 pages long, although most are printed on one huge sheet of very thin paper, so that it can be folded tightly and placed in each box that over-packages the drugs container (vial, bottle, etc).

Although some people believe it’s written in small fonts on thin paper to make it difficult to read and use, it’s actually done so to save on shipping costs. Yes, if you had to fold up a large font-size package insert and place it in each box that contains a vial or bottle of medication, the shipping weight and volume would make the cost astronomical. And that cost would pass down to consumers.

In general, package inserts are part of what is called the “labeling” of the drug, which means all the verbiage that pharmaceutical company may say about the drug. It is not just the printing on the vial or box, labelling encompasses almost everything said about the drug, including advertising, PI’s, and yes, the box and printing on vial.

You will hear FDA regulators and individuals in pharmaceutical companies refer to “labeling” all of the time. Labeling is strictly regulated, because it establishes the claims made about the drug or device, how it is to be used, and other pertinent information. Even what sales reps say to physicians in a sales call is covered by the drug’s labeling.

In the USA, the Food and Drug Administration has established very strict rules in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) on what can be and cannot be stated in the package insert. There is very little variance in format or quality of information from one PI to another one even for very different classes of drugs. Amusingly, the regulations even state the type and size of font used in the PI.

How is a Package Insert written?

Before we discuss what is actually contained in the vaccine package inserts, it’s important to understand how it is written by the pharmaceutical company’s medical staff, and subsequently reviewed (and hopefully cleared) by the FDA. During the Phase 1, 2 and 3 clinical trials for a new drug, scientific information is collected about the drug–everything from the pharmacology to shelf life to results of the trials.

The Medical or Regulatory Departments (both or individually) of the pharmaceutical company then writes the PI, using the boilerplate language established by the FDA (or other regulatory agencies such as those from Japan or Europe). Note that there is a lot of consistency between all worldwide pharmaceutical regulatory agencies for what is in the PI, so that it is similar across the world. You are not going to find better information in a European PI, though you’ll get to see the Latvian translation of the PI if that thrills you.

In today’s world, part of the purpose of a PI is to protect the pharmaceutical company from legal issues. If the PI says “do not prescribe this drug to someone who abuses alcohol”, and a physician prescribes it to that type of patient, then the company has some protection from a legal action from the patient or physician. The PI is supposed to give a physician or other prescribing healthcare worker the framework to use the medication properly on a patient.

After the Medical and/or Regulatory departments complete the initial draft of the PI, it is usually passed through different departments of the company for further review, correction and approval. For example, the manufacturing department may not agree with a statement about how the drug or device is manufactured, and it is corrected. Spelling errors are commonly found.

Depending on the company up to 10-12 departments may review a single PI, and it could take a few weeks before this process is completed to everyone’s satisfaction. And the approval is not a passive one–an internal document package with the PI, supporting data,  and other information requires a signature from the reviewer before it is passed along.

This signature represents a legal statement that the reviewer agrees with what is written. If a reviewer just signs it without actual review, a future FDA audit or legal issue could place the blame on all reviewers whether they took the time to read it or not.


The draft PI is then included with the New Drug Application (NDA) which is the system in the United States through which drug company formally propose to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that the agency reviews and clears a new pharmaceutical for marketing in the USA. The FDA reviews the whole application, including all labeling (in the parlance of drug regulation, everything written about the drug, from advertising to the PI to vial labels, are considered “labeling”), data, clinical trials, manufacturing, etc. before determining if it will be approved. The FDA often requests changes to all labeling depending if they agree or disagree on statements. Many times a pharmaceutical company will attempt to add indications, that is the valid reason to use a medication, but the FDA will reject it until more data is accumulated.

PI’s are not static documents. Pharmaceutical companies may add more information, warnings, indications (or contraindications, meaning uses that may harm the patient if used in particular situations), and other information that can be supported by evidence from scientific investigations. Of course, the pharmaceutical company must resubmit its labeling (including the PI) to the FDA for approval of the changes. Contrary to popular belief (including from an amazing number of physicians), a pharmaceutical company cannot change an indication unless it has a new approval from the FDA. Even making a change that allows a medication to be used on children (a pediatric indication) can take years of clinical trials and regulatory review before a change can be made

The FDA spends a lot of time reviewing pharmaceutical labeling, because it has the most direct impact on patients’ health–although not a critical issue with vaccines, contraindications and drug interactions are very important to pharmacists and physicians for many drugs.

What does a Package Insert actually say?


Again, the FDA (and other regulatory agencies) have established regulations on what must be written in the PI. The package insert is necessarily complex and wordy, because it needs to cover a lot of information.

To save weight in shipping, and to make it small enough to attach to every individual unit of a product (like a vial, bottle or box), the PI is often printed in tiny fonts on very thin paper. A lot of time is taken by pharmaceutical companies to lay out the document to fit properly.

By regulatory code, every pharmaceutical package insert (there are different regulations for devices and equipment) must include the following:

  • Highlights–summarizes the most important information about benefits and risks.
  • Table of contents–because there’s a lot of information there.
  • Boxed Warning (pdf, page 11)–this is usually a large black box in bold print that describes a serious warning about the drug. For example, a drug that might kill someone if used incorrectly in specific situations. Black box warnings are reserved for serious adverse reactions that are tied to specific uses of a medication. Physicians and other prescribers need to know this one thing before all else prior to prescribing a medication. Sometimes a medication is perfectly safe, but may cause serious allergic reactions in some people. As far as I was able to determine, there are no Boxed Warnings on any vaccine ever. Why? Because there is simply no evidence that there is any dangerous and deadly reaction to vaccines.
  • Date of US approval.
  • Description–this section describes the drug in detail including all of its ingredients.
  • Clinical pharmacology–this section describes how the medicine works in the body, how it is absorbed and eliminated, and what its effects are likely to be at various concentrations, critical dose-response relationships (that is, does more of the drug have more of an effect, a fundamental piece of information about how the drug works). This section may also contain results of various clinical trials (studies), explanations of the medication’s effect on various populations, such as children and pregnant women, and other scientific information.
  • Indications and usage–this section describes the uses and indications for which the drug has been cleared by the FDA. Important note–physicians are legally allowed to prescribe medicines for purposes not listed in this section (so-called “off-label usage“), as long as that use is not specifically contraindicated (see below). However, the pharmaceutical company’s labeling may not discuss this off-label use, even if there is compelling scientific evidence supporting this use, until the FDA approves it. Recently, there have been major fines levied by the US Department of Justice against pharmaceutical companies that push off-label use through subtle advertising or sales rep conversations.
  • Contraindications–this section probably contains the most important information within all of the verbiage of a package insert. It lists situations in which medication should not be used, for example in patients with certain medical conditions, in children, or other situations.  A good example of contraindications for vaccines is that most flu vaccines are contraindicated for patients with egg-protein allergies. For a physician, this section is as important as the Boxed Warning section.
  • Warnings and precautions–this covers possible serious side effects that may occur with use of the drugs. If the warnings are particularly serious (risk of death, for example), they may be placed in the Boxed Warning section. This section also explains how to use the medication safely, for example stating that “Do not drink alcohol while taking this medication” or other common precautions. It also describes any laboratory tests that may be necessary prior to using the drug. Serious side effects with known, evidence-based causal associations are listed in this section. This section is much more important with powerful therapeutic drugs that often have critical side effects.
  • Nonclinical toxicology–this section describes the potential of carcinogenesis (causing cancer), mutagenesis (causing mutation) or impairment of fertility from the drug. This section has little applicability to vaccines, since they have no carcinogenic, mutagenic, or fertility effect, given that the level of the vaccine’s ingredients’ dosage fall far below the lower threshold of the any dose-response test of these issues. The PI may state some innocuous verbiage such as “no known information” meaning that in the 10-15 years of research and study, no evidence that the vaccine is carcinogenic or mutagenic.
  • Use in specific populations–this describes if and how the drug may be used in the following populations of patients: pregnancy, labor and delivery, nursing mothers, pediatrics or geriatrics.
  • Adverse reactions–this sections lists all side effects observed in all studies of the drug (including post-marketing studies), whether or not it has been scientifically established there correlation between the drug and the side effect. Almost all of these side effects are coincidental observations and are rarely of much concern. This section is the favorite of the vaccine denier, because they do not appreciate the utter lack of statistical evidence of correlation between these reactions and the vaccine. These are simply observations, not correlated with vaccines and certainly not established causality.
  • Drug interactions–essentially, this section describes any interaction this drug may have with other drugs. Not relevant to vaccines.
  • Drug abuse and dependence–this section provides information regarding whether prolonged use of the medication can cause physical dependence. Since vaccine addiction is ridiculous, it’s not very crucial information for vaccines.
  • Overdosage–this section, critically important in lifesaving situations, gives the results of an overdose and provides recommended action in such cases. Not very crucial to vaccines.
  • Dosage and administration–this part provides the recommended dosages with detail for different ages, medical conditions, and size of patients. Very important for vaccines.
  • Dosage forms and strengths–this section lists out the various dosages and strengths of the drug.
  • How supplied–this explains in detail the physical characteristics of the medication including color, shape, markings, etc., and storage information (usually with a range of temperatures). This is important information, especially for vaccines, that’s sometimes ignored. Lots of medications, vaccines included, lose potency if they are overheated or frozen.
  • Patient counseling information–this details information useful for patients including who to contact in an emergency and how to report adverse reactions to the company or to the FDA.
  • Clinical studies–this covers the clinical trials that were performed prior to approval. It does not include anything more current, and some PI’s can be over 10 years old, lacking citations for more recent clinical trials. Most published clinical trials were not done for FDA approval, so aren’t included in any PI’s. I used to consider this a defect of the PI, but with easy access to post-marketing clinical trials through PubMed and other sources, it’s not too relevant.
  • References–this includes all of the citations for clinical trials, pharmacology, and other information related to the drug. Again, it is only as current as the date of the package insert (which is listed at the bottom), so it can be way out of date.

So, that’s a lot of information, but is any of it useful? How does one interpret the information in the PI? Especially for vaccines, which are not truly a therapeutic drug (it doesn’t cure a disease state, but prevents it), and which has ingredients in levels that are below the level of detection in a dose response study.

But what can we learn from a package insert?

The information in a package insert can be used in a manner to help treat a patient. Vaccine deniers idolize vaccine PI’s as some biblical statement about the dangers of vaccines. Once again, it’s easy to cherry pick information out of a PI if one does not or refuses to fully comprehend how the information in the PI is included.

To a real evidence-based (or science-based) physician, the only useful information in PI for vaccines are (in no particular order of importance):

  • Clinical pharmacology. Knowing this information helps the scientific minded (not a skill set well known in the antivaccine cult) how the drugs work. By understanding this section, you begin to comprehend how a drug may treat a disease, but also how it probably isn’t related to a mythical adverse event. For example, knowing how immunizations work, you will realize that intramuscular injections are a perfectly scientific method of inducing an immune response, that there is no logical reason to believe an injection would cause a neurological disorder, and other silly myths. But pharmacology is very hard to understand, so most people ignore it. Pharmacology is probably one of the most complex of the biomedical sciences.
  • Contraindications. There are very few contraindications in vaccines. But the ones that do exist are quite serious. For example, the aforementioned sensitivity to egg proteins in flu vaccines. Or yeast sensitivity for Gardasil. Physicians are very aware of these issues, as are most places, like pharmacies, that do vaccinations.
  • Warnings. These are adverse events that have evidence supporting their causal association with the drug or vaccine. As opposed to the adverse reactions section, which tends to be abused by vaccine deniers, this section is where solid, repeatable scientific data is located. The FDA, by regulation, can mandate a change in the PI to include new warnings as evidence arises. Not a single PI for vaccines mentions autism as a “warning.” Not one.

The most misinterpreted misused section of all vaccine package inserts is “Adverse Reactions.” The FDA states that the section should include events “for which there is some basis to believe there is a causal relationship between the drug and the occurrence of the adverse event.” The key word is “believe”, instead of based on evidence.

And frankly, any reaction supported by serious and robust evidence would be in the Warnings section, so the Adverse Reactions section is a laundry list of observed events that probably have nothing to do with the drug (or vaccine) but remain there so that the pharmaceutical company is covered in case of a lawsuit. Yes, pharmaceutical companies are constantly frightened of litigation, and the package insert is often the first line of defense against those frequent lawsuits. But we digress.

Back to simple math for the vaccine deniers.

The Adverse Reactions section, taken by itself, is the pseudoscientific way of reviewing the data. Here’s what is important:



The chance of death from these vaccine preventable diseases is 1000X higher than the possibility of known adverse events that are caused by vaccines. And these adverse events do not cause death (despite the myths of the antivaccine crowd).

This is real science, where the benefit, saving lives, vastly outweighs any risks, even the nonsense “laundry list” risks that may not have anything to do with the vaccine. If you fall for the Nirvana Fallacy, that is if it’s not perfect, then it’s worthless, then sure, vaccines aren’t perfect so they must be useless.

A fellow skeptic, and thorn in the side of vaccine deniers everywhere, wrote a hysterically funny article about a mythical airline package insert. The adverse events are, of course, death, massive body damage, and more death. But the risk of dying on a flight across the country is 10,000X lower than driving across the country.

So if you focus on the adverse events, without understanding the frequency of the risk (let alone the causality), it is absolutely useless. Context matters. Take a single data point out of the context of all other information, and you could “prove” anything. But being a real critical thinker, and using that information along with all other available data, especially data of a higher quality, then you might reach a rational decision.

Conclusions, the TL;DR version

But the fact is that vaccines save lives, and until such time the vaccine deniers can actually spend the time in getting their Ph.D. or MD, then do research in a world-class laboratory and then publish data that shows either the adverse events are all real and are much higher than stated in the PI, and shows that vaccines have no benefit, the antivaccine cult just has no basis for their claims. They are misinforming and misusing information to support their beliefs, rather than using real science and determine whether all of the evidence supports or nullifies their hypothesis.

Getting real evidence takes real hard work. It takes education, time, sweat, sleeping in labs, sitting at a computer, writing documents, getting yelled at by superiors and peers. It’s hitting dead ends, then finding a way around that dead end. One cannot just pull a package insert out of a box and say “here, I win.” If only it were that easy.

Package inserts have excellent and useful information, important for physicians and other healthcare workers in treating patients. However, package inserts must be read fully, without cherry picking data that supports your point of view.

Taking information out of context, without spending the effort to understand it completely, just shows the level of denialism. The anti-vaccinationists are focused on finding any data, no matter the quality, that supports what they want to believe. But if you are truly on the fence about vaccinations, then the adverse events information in a package insert is not the place to start. There is so much information out there, but if you read that information with an open, critical mind, you will find that the scientific consensus strongly supports the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

One young woman did just that, despite initially being antivaccine. Her open mind lead her to eventually vaccinate her two children. Good for her.

Vaccines save lives, and we have evidence that supports it. And package inserts do not dispute those facts.

Editor’s note: This article was originally published in April 2013. It has been completely revised and updated to include more comprehensive information, to improve readability and to add current research.

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  • bev

    There are many doctors and scientist in this “cult.”

    The idea that adults and their children would be forced to submit to being injected with dozens of these organisms and organic fragments is terrifying. No regulatory agency is tracking to see if chronic diseases are rising in the vaccinated, yet we have compelling evidence of a massive rise in all autoimmune diseases, neurodegenerative diseases, and certain cancers since the advent of a dramatic increase in the number of vaccines being mandated.

    Of special concern is the finding that many of the contaminant organisms can pass from generation to generation. For example, new studies have found that SV-40, a major contaminant of the polio vaccine until 1963, not only existed as a latent virus for the lifetime of those exposed to the vaccine but was being passed on to the next generation, primarily by way of sperm, something called vertical transmission. This means that every generation from now on will be infected with this known carcinogenic virus. There is also compelling evidence that some polio vaccines manufactured after 1963 may contain SV-40 virus.

    What makes the SV-40 contamination disaster of such concern is its association with so many cancers – including mesothelioma, medulloblastoma, ependymoma, meningioma, astrocytoma, oligodendroglioma, pituitary adenoma, glioblastoma, osteosarcomas, non-Hodgkins lymphoma, papillary thyroid carcinomas, and anaplastic thyroid carcinomas.

    The Federal government has gone to enormous lengths to cover up this association, despite the powerful scientific evidence that this vaccine infected at least a hundred million people worldwide with this carcinogenic virus. And, it took over 40 years just to get this far. Linking vaccine contaminations and immunoexcitotoxicity to the drastic rise in neurodegenerative diseases will probably take even longer because of the widespread growth of entrenched powers high in government and their control of the media, which is equally extensive. The fact that powerful, enormously wealthy foundations, such as the Ford Foundation, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Rockefeller series of foundations, are supporting forced vaccination greatly enhances the power of governments all over the World.

    These foundations operate in the shadows, influencing legislation and government actions through the World Health Organization and individual governmental bodies. Behind every call for forced vaccinations, mandated quarantines, and home invasions, one can find one of these foundations providing the money as well as experts. Remember, the largest of the pharmaceutical-vaccine manufacturers are also providing much of the money for the foundations and serving on the boards of these foundations. The Rockefellers either owned outright or had controlling interest in all of the major pharmaceutical companies. This has given them absolute and extremely powerful access to the reins of power at all levels. Yet, they can be defeated by the truth.

    Dr. Blaylock is a board-certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU School of Medicine in New Orleans, Louisiana and completed his internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, South Carolina. For the past 24 years he has practiced neurosurgery in addition to having a nutritional practice for 2 years. Retiring from his neurosurgical practice to devote full time to nutritional studies and research, Dr. Blaylock has written and illustrated three books (Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life, and Natural Strategies for The Cancer Patient). In addition, he has written and illustrated three chapters in medical textbooks, written a booklet on nutritional protection against biological terrorism, has an e-booklet on radioprotection (Nuclear Sunrise), written and illustrated a booklet on multiple sclerosis, and written over 30 scientific papers in peer-reviewed journals

    • Skeptical Raptor

      Appeal to Authority, and an authority that has precious little knowledge about science, vaccines, epidemiology, virology or anything else. Boring.

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  • Chris Sky

    This article is absolutely hilarious… so what they are saying is BIG PHARMA says vaccines are safe, and you dont believe them, so why would you believe Big Pharma, when they are legally requited to tell you all the side effects their vaccines.

    Now we call that VACCINE LOGIC 😀

    • Thomas

      what is hilarious is the irony of it all went right over your head, as well as the fact anti-vaxx cult members don’t even understand how to read the inserts.

      Thats was I call idiot conspiracy theory logic

      • Chris Sky

        Funny.. because Glaxo Smith Klein (largest vaccine maker in the world) was sued in Italy and the JUDGE ordered GSK to release it’s own 1271 page IN HOUSE REPORT on the SIDE EFFECTS of GSK’s vaccines….

        on page 626 in black and white, GSK’s own scientists list AUTISM as a “side effect” of their vacccines… along with pages and pages of other debilitating conditions, that are a direct result of vaccination.

        The only “cult” is the religion of the pro poison, vaccine crowd… which make up the dumbest, poorest, most easily manipulated sheep of society.

        Here’s the OFFICIAL GSK REPORT where the multibillion dollar corporation must admit the truth… they just dont’ have to ADMIT it in the USA, because 400 billion dollars a year, buys a lot of phony news stories, and politicians 😉

        but i guess you will say GSK’s own documenation is “irrelevant” because YOU SAY SO 😀 even though the GSK scientists admit it, and the courts in italy paid out tens of millions of dollars 😀

        • Thomas

          So one foreign labor court with a single unreliable expert trumps every single study on this subject that says otherwise? I get the feeling if a garbage collector released a study saying vaccines cause autism you idiots would be trumpeting that as well. Drug manufacturers have been sued many times for many different products as there is always someone who will have an adverse reaction to something. There have been many lawsuits for anti-biotics as well. Are anti-biotics dangerous and part of some giant conspiracy too?

          Yea anybody who’s not a loony anti-vaxx conspiracy theory wackjob willing to accept information from the very least reliable sources as truth are “sheep” right? Speaking of sheep, charletons like Alex Jones are thrilled he’s made an entire career out of idiots like yourself who’ll believe anything as long as it says what you want it to say regardless of the source.

          As has already been explained about package inserts and possible side effects of any drug, every possibility is listed. It doesn’t mean there is a link and it doesn’t mean the issue is widespread. The report also lists epilepsy. Is the rise in epilepsy because of vaccines too? I don’t buy your Young Earth Creationist worldwide conspiracy cop out for why virtually nobody in the scientific community agrees with you. The dangerous misinformation you spew about vaccines being “poison” is pretty much the exact same thing word for word the Taliban says about vaccines. The fact you describe the entire scientific community as well as 95% of the population to be dumb and poor pretty much illustrates how delusional and out of touch with reality you wackjobs are. You are vile TERRORISTS as far as I’m concerned who endanger us all.

          • Chris Sky

            Glaxo Smith Kleins’ 1271 page report was complied by DOZENS of SCIENTISTS with a HUGE SAMPLE GROUPS and was REQUIRED BY LAW TO REPORT these findings that were obviously very damaging.. but lets prtend like the Vaccine Manufacturers OWN STUDIES are “irrelevant” now 😀 simply because they are far too damaging to your religion that’s crumbling before your very eyes….

            and then lets mention WAKEFIELD and pretend like the GSK report had ANYTHING to do with his study.

            then call GSK’s stud “unreliable” a few more times 😀 it’s only 1271 pages long and done by a company with BILLIONS of dollars in Rearch budget…

            as far as the “whole scientific commuity” disagreeing with me… I can find literally THOUSANDS of quotes from doctors who are firmly opposed to vaccinations. 😉 you just watch too much TV, and are low IQ, low iformation moron, who keeps tossing out buzzwords compeltely unrelated to the informatino I presented hoping to discredit it and me.

            as for 95% of the population being dumb as rocks.. it’s closer to 90% of the population being absolute morons in the USA… and even THEY Are starting to wake up to this scam.. already the WEALTHY AND EDUCATED are refusing vaccines, (you wont’ find close the same Vaccine complainace at private school that you do public schools) so why are the smartest and richest people CHOOSING not to vaccinate?!

            and please explain for the world how a 1271 page report complied by the multi billion dollar big paharma company with every reason NOT to show a connection between vaccines and autism, showed a CLEAR connection in a very vast study… costing them tens of millions of dollars (in the short term… and defininitely much more in teh long term.) answer… you can’t explain why they would put this in their report unles they had NO CHOICE 😀

            but it’s “unreliable” because YOU SAID so.

            btw.. i like how you ended off with “Terrorist” just in case anybody had any wonder if you weren’t a paid for shill, talking straight out of your ass. as Karma would have it, if anybody is ever dumb enough to reporduce with you ( i doubt it) your child should deifnitley be of the now 1 in 85 autistic children in the usa. and when it happens 48 hours after one his 46 doses of poison you can go around telling everyboyd how the vaccine had “nothing to do with it”

          • TryToUseYourBrain

            “Thomas” ignores SO MUCH by simply continually focusing on what the Italian court did or didn’t do while IGNORING THE FACTS contained in the 1271 page report complied by the multi billion dollar big pharma company with every reason NOT to show a connection between vaccines and autism, showed a CLEAR connection in a very vast study… costing them tens of millions of dollars and having EVERY REASON to fund researcher’s that by all evidence will use all the means possible to come to a conclusion that their health products are “safe and effective” such as, but not limited to lying about findings, creatively interpreting results, omitting important information and fudging the numbers.

            These are biased and cherry picked results AND THEY STILL TELL YOU HOW DANGEROUS AND POTENTIALLY DEADLY THESE “Magic elixirs” really are.

            If that alone doesn’t get even the pro-“poison yourself & your children because it’s good for us all” zealots doubting the gospels of their religion, then their is no real “thinking” involved in their thought processes, they only regurgitate their programming.

            I am like you, I just don’t understand how so many seemingly smart people can still believe the corporate propaganda after all the easily found evidence that should at least make them AT LEAST start to question it.

          • Chris Sky

            a small lis of Anti Vaccine Doctors in the USA who signed onto a book called “The Truth About Vaccines” you’re right though.. i bet i can’t even find like another 10,000 different doctors who will speak out against vaccines. (meanwhile they are getting paid nothing and evne being threatened and attacked) vs the Docs who will get UNLIMITED funding to do studies which produce pre fabricated results 😀

            Nicola Antonucci, MD Isaac Golden, ND Amber Passini, MD David Ayoub, MD Gary Goldman, PhD Ronald Peters, MD, MPH Nancy Turner Banks, MD Garry Gordon, MD, DO, MD(H) Jean Pilette, MD Timur Baruti, MD Doug Graham, DC Pat Rattigan, ND Danny Beard, DC Boyd Haley, PhD Zoltan Rona, MD, MSc Françoise Berthoud, MD Gayl Hamilton, MD Chaim Rosenthal, MD Russell Blaylock, MD Linda Hegstrand, MD, PhD Robert Rowen, MD Fred Bloem, MD James Howenstine, MD Máximo Sandín, PhD Laura Bridgman, FNP, ND Suzanne Humphries, MD Len Saputo, MD Kelly Brogan, MD Belén Igual Diaz, MD Michael Schachter, MD Sarah Buckley, MD Philip Incao, MD Viera Scheibner, PhD Rashid Buttar, DO Joyce Johnson, ND Penelope Shar, MD Harold Buttram, MD A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM Bruce Shelton, MD, MD(H) Lisa Cantrell, RN Tedd Koren, DC Debbi Silverman, MD Lua Català Ferrer, MD Alexander Kotok, MD, PhD Kenneth “KP” Stoller, MD Jennifer Craig, PhD, BSN, MA Eneko Landaburu, MD Terri Su, MD Robert Davidson, MD, PhD Luc Lemaire, DC Didier Tarte, MD Ana de Leo, MD Janet Levatin, MD Leigh Ann Tatnall, RN Carlos de Quero Kops, MD Thomas Levy, MD, JD Adiel Tel-Oren, MD, DC Carolyn Dean, MD, ND Stephen L’Hommedieu, DC Sherri Tenpenny, DO Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH Paul Maher, MD, MPH Renee Tocco, DC Todd M. Elsner, DC Andrew Maniotis, PhD Demetra Vagias, MD, ND Jorge Esteves, MD Steve Marini, PhD, DC Franco Verzella, MD Edward “Ted” Fogarty, MD Juan Manuel Martínez Méndez, MD Julian Whitaker, MD Jack Forbush, DO Sue McIntosh, MD Ronald Whitmont, MD Milani Gabriele, CRNA, RN Richard Moskowitz, MD Betty Wood, MD Sheila Gibson, MD, BSc Sheri Nakken, RN, MA Eduardo Ángel Yahbes, MD Mike Godfrey, MBBS Christiane Northrup, MD – See more at:

          • Thomas

            And 911 conspiracy theorists have a website with several signatures of “Architects and Engineers for Truth” who claim 911 was a conspiracy. I don’t want to see signatures, I want to see their research. Cite one single reputable study that supports any of your paranoid fantasies. So far you have followed pretty much ever loony conspiracy theory fallacy to a tee. Referring to claims from discredited sources, citing a few doctors while ignoring the VAST majority who say otherwise, drawing conclusions from anecdotes, etc.
            95% of the population is dumb as rocks because they reject your paranoid delusions based on junk science and logical fallacies? Quite the contrary, conspiracy theories appeal to the very most stupid of the population as a defense mechanism. Its easier to think you’ve figured out some puzzle or have some inside information nobody else has rather then admit you’re a fucking imbecile with a keyboard who thinks you’re qualified to give medical advice. Admit it moron: You are willing to accept information from discredited sources as long as it says what you want. Given this fact, what possible reason would anyone have to take seriously anything you have to say?
            I hate to break the news to you there tin foil hatter, but you and the Taliban’s anti-vaxx conspiracy theory nonsense is quickly going the same way as every other goofy conspiracy theory like the 911 inside job nonsense, Young Earth Creationism and the New World Order paranoia. My guess is you also believe in one or more of them like most insane anti-vaxx creeps who in reality are made up of mostly religious wackos, new age hippy alternative medicine dopes and conspiracy theorists.
            And please stop pretending you know how to read or understand medical literature.
            Gee I wonder whats more likely. That virtually every reputable science and medical institution the world over are involved in some giant cover up, or that a bunch of loony anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists on the internet are full of shit. Wow. Thats a hard one. The fact you are repeating the EXACT same propaganda word for word as the freaking Taliban should give you pause. You are a TERRORIST scumbag spreading junk science and endangering people’s lives.

          • Chris Sky

            once again.. can’t talk about 1271 page Glaxo Smith Klein report, so lets mention something compeltely unrelated, that has nothing to do with anything I said, and try to DENY. DEFLECT and make people forget about what’s important…

            as trasnparent as my windows after the maid leaves! you’re a pathetic loser.

            once again plesae DISCREDIT the 1271 page Glaxo Smith Klein report.. sayinng “conspriacy thoery” “debunked” or any other buzzword you were taught, doesn’t change TRUtH, FACTS and REALITY :) no matter how much you attempt to muddy the waters:D


          • Thomas

            The Italian court decision which was overturned was not based on that 1271 page Glaxo Smith Klein report you have misinterpreted because you are an imbecile with a keyboard who doesn’t know how to read medical literature. The court decision was based on the testimony of an “expert” who relied on the fake research of Wakefield. Funny, the court doesn’t seem to consider that document to be the smoking gun you do. The fact you think this is unrelated tells me the only “research” you’ve done on this topic is to visit anti-vaxx conspiracy theory websites while ignoring what actual adults here in the sane world have to say on this subject. Feeling stupid yet?

            Typing in all caps like a raving lunatic does not make something true regardless of how much loony conspiracy theorists and religious wackos think it does. You are a vile piece of shit spreading the exact same junk science based hysteria as the Taliban. Scum like you are guilty of bio-terrorism as far as I’m concerned and deserve your fucking teeth kicked in.

            The Anti-Vaxx Jihad

            Court Rulings Don’t Confirm Autism-Vaccine Link

            Let me guess. Forbes is in on the big cover up too right tin foil hatter terrorist?

          • Chris Sky

            “the Italian court decision which was overturned”


            as anybody with a brain can see.. the Italin Court Decisoin was NOT over turned… and the family was awarded PLENTY OF money! and it had NOTHING to do with Wakefield 😉

            “Presiding Judge Nicola Di Leo considered another piece of damning evidence: a 1271-page confidential GlaxoSmithKline report (now available on the Internet). This industry document provided ample evidence of adverse events from the vaccine, including five known cases of autism resulting from the vaccine’s administration during its clinical trials ”

            citing the 1271 page GSK document.. not some “unknown expert” 😉

            keep it up though.

            by the way.. Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund in the USA has already paid out over 4 BILLION in VACCINE DAMAGES…

  • Ade

    Well according to the FDA’s own website, adverse reactions to pharmaceutical drugs are the 4th leading cause of death, how does that square with those advocating that vaccines are safe

    • Skeptical Raptor

      Yeah, out of the billions of doses of drugs, you’d expect adverse reactions because of dozens of reasons ranging from patient incompetence to physician incompetence to whatever. Typical of the ignorant class, you failed to look deeply into those numbers. How many were from patients who were terminal and physicians were working on “last hope” therapies. How many were errors from the pharmacy? How many were because patients lie about their health?

      This is why good skeptics, like myself, dig into the numbers to understand them, instead of making simplistic and ignorant statements that have the value of used toilet paper.

      • TryToUseYourBrain

        You are not a skeptic, you are a true believer that lies about the facts to confirm what is obviously an idea that you already have your mind made up about before your alleged research and analysis.

        I just wonder if it’s intentional or just confirmation bias.

        I will need to read more of your blog to see which one it is.

    • Brian Black

      Subtract the number of deaths from addictive prescription medication from that number, better yet, count only the number of deaths from vaccination. Sheltering your argument by conflating several relatively unrelated statistics under one umbrella is just obfuscation of the facts.

      And how nice that we live in an age where medicine has advanced enough that it isn’t much lower on the list. Saying that because something is not perfect it is worthless is inherently fallacious and foolhardy. People on average are healthier and fewer fall to disease because of vaccines; Just because a few do not does not mean we should abandon the medicine altogether.

      • pwesley

        Yes, listen to Brian. Vaccines aren’t drugs, you idiot.

        Prescription drugs have to be tailored to each individual – taking into account medical history, previous immune response, all sorts of issues.

        Imagine if some CDC official said, every American has to take the same blood pressure medication – regardless of age, medical history, or whether or not you even have high blood pressure! Yeah, there would be a some fatalities.

        But vaccines are a ~completely~ different story! They come from unicorns. In some cases, vaccine ingredients are plucked directly out of rainbows. There’s no such thing as a bad fit – they work equally for everybody on the planet. Like Charlie & the Chocolate Factory. Just ask pediatrician Paul Offit MD. Every skeptic knows this!

        Only an idiot would deny this common sense. Any scientific evidence otherwise is obviously Taliban and not worthy of consideration (go Thomas, tell it like it is).

        • Brian Black

          And this is the foaming at the mouth, “there is a giant conspiracy and everyone is out to get me” lunacy I expect from anti-vaxxers. You aren’t cool or edgy parading around your ignorance. You are merely the man who knows little of crippling disease and calls for its return for not knowing it. Catch diphtheria, start to feel yourself dying. Then we will see what you think about vaccines.

    • Thomas

      What does that have to do with vaccines moron? Stop spreading dangerous the EXACT same dangerous junk science as the Taliban

  • Alan Hysinger

    Keep your head in the sand. Or read this PDF. You might even want to search for the word “autism”. Remember, the insert also says “Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.”

    • Skeptical Raptor

      So more argument ad package insert. Good for you.

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  • Spencer James Smith . “Published on Dec 12, 2013

    On November 7th, 2013, members of the vaccine injury community held a briefing for congressional staffers to present many of the problems in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in preparation for hearings in the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    Professor Mary Holland, Head of Graduate Legal Studies at NYU, and Rolf Hazelhurst
    Father in one of the test cases In the Omnibus Autism Proceeding, and Assistant District Attorney General, State of Tennessee, present the case against the VICP and call for reform.”

    watch from 5 min – 10 min to show how much of a conflict of interest there is in the whole process of making a claim for vaccine injury.

    • Spencer James Smith

      any takers?

      • Skeptical Raptor

        Most of us ignore Mary Holland. She has no superior knowledge of the science of vaccines. She’s one huge conflict of interest.

  • Spencer James Smith “The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic – Dr. Tent – It’s Not Autoimmune, you have Viruses.” shedding some light on where the conspiracy view on this comes from. and i cant remember if he includes this, but the UN has a depopulation agenda. and that is what is behind the media and government push for vaccines.

    • Spencer James Smith

      Any takers?

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  • jeff_jos72

    WTF am I reading here? The vaccine inserts says the side effects are “Death”, “Pancreatic Illness”, and hundreds more side effects, however this writer spews this nonsense as though people are dummies.

    • Skeptical Raptor

      Well, you said it not me. You’re maybe not a dummy, but you are an ignorant little twit.

      You fail to understand what constitutes a real adverse reaction. But see, I’m educated, you sit at google and pontificate on your ignorance.

      • jeff_jos72

        I personally know a family whose children had an adverse reaction everytime their kids got the shot, the father owns two business and status that the vaccines affected his kids. However you want to be the one who feels that having the same reactions everytime a child gets vaccinated until the child looses their vocabulary does not constitute to adverse reactions. You also resort to Google as an insult, as if you knew how I obtained my information; so I guess you wear your ignorance as a crown of glory. Sorry for your ignorance, I wish you could see it.

        • Brian Black

          Anecdotes? What nonsense.

          On the other hand there is a drug called cisplatin. It is a drug that has many debilitating side effects: permanent damage to the kidneys, permanent mild hearing loss and pernicious and disabling nausea. It is a miraculous drug that when introduced reduced the fatality of many cancers, particularly testicular, which dropped from 90% fatality to 15% fatality if caught late and 5% if caught early. Sometimes benefits outweigh the negatives, and the bodies immune response to vaccines can sometimes be a bit uncomfortable, but much less so than dying from asphyxiation from pertussis coughs or diphtheria traveling to the larynx, or suffering the aftereffects of polio. I had a Biology professor who asserted that people who do not vaccinate their children should be infected and forced to feel what it would be like to die from one of the many diseases we no longer have to suffer from, and the previous sentence is far from exhaustive.

          • jeff_jos72

            It doesn’t surprise me that you think that a parent who’s child has lost their mind to these chemical reaction to vaccines are amusing. Most provaccine people usually dismiss the victims of vaccinated children until it happends to them, then they start to realize how real this is. Also the provaccine supporters always resort to name calling and other delusions to support thier belief on how glorious this witches brew is. Continue in you delusions. Pharma is laughing all the way to the bank. I have a friend who has never vaccinated her child, her brother vaccinates his child, guess which one is sick the most? Perhaps you can run with the unvaccinated child being sick the most if it makes you feel good.

          • Brian Black

            You responded to none of my arguments, put words into my mouth and then proceeded to call me names and say “You’ll be sorry one day” as if that is a valid argument. I don’t even think you read past the first sentence.

            Saying I was “amused” is a blatant strawman, arguing from anecdotes is also a fallacy, and your entire argument is a fallacy called denying the antecedent, which means you assumed that because vaccines for every disease are not perfect, they are completely ineffective (this is also a formal fallacy, which means that it can be proven wrong mathematically, and is therefore always incorrect). I know you don’t care in your emotional fervor, but the other readers should be spared your toxic fear mongering mob populism, so I point out your arguments many failures to them.

            It is people like you who irritate me the most. You are not intelligent and neither is your friend; the ability to open your web browser and get a feed of constant confirmation bias does not give you more evidence than or make you more intelligent than people who have spent their entire lives trying to cure diseases so you do not have to suffer from them. The only reason I respond to people like you rather than just letting you slowly kill yourself through banality is that idiots like you are causing outbreaks of diseases that we have already eliminated.
            Willful arrogance is a cancer, and yours puts other lives in danger.

        • Skeptical Raptor

          Anecdotes have all of the value of say dirty toilet paper. It gets flushed down the toilet.

          The reason anecdotes are simply rejected is because they’re filled with biases, the data isn’t controlled, and the population of said data isn’t statistically valid. Humans think anecdotes have value, because that’s how we evolved. Grunt tells Gerta that eating that purple berry makes stomach hurt. Gerta needs to accept the anecdote because it could mean death. But we don’t know if Grunt is allergic. Or a sociopath trying to monopolize the purple berry trade. Or that Grunt ate something else that had nothing to do with berries.

          This is why science was invented. It is a logical way to discern facts from anecdotes. And that’s why rational people ignore anecdotes.

          Also, if you use ad hominem attacks and lack evidence supporting your position, robust evidence published in top journals? Well, that just makes you a fucking dumbass.

          • jeff_jos72

            Here is another anecdote, vaccines turn people into ass holes. Also, because something has the label of “science” doesn’t make it true. Perhaps you never heard of fraudulent science, or how science is constantly changing, perhaps you never heard of this guy who was put away for stating that hand washing is necessary before surgery, or how patients,used to be given mercury to drink, which was called “science”. Do yourself a favor, keep off the vaccines, then perhaps you won’t be so vile ass hole.

        • Delius

          “the father owns two business and status” — which certainly makes him an expert on vaccines and vaccine reactions! I’m convinced!

  • pwesley

    After reading a few of your posts, I’m thoroughly confused why you call yourself a skeptic. A skeptic is a person who questions conventional wisdom, who applies critical thinking to the mainstream way of doing things. But at every turn, you’re defending the mainstream, basically just repeating the information passed down from mainstream media, Big Pharma press releases, etc.

    This post is a great example: If you heed the information the drug company provides you, you’re being a tin-foil hat club anti-vaccine nut job? It’s their own data. I mean, you’re basically saying not to trust either side of this debate, just shut up & comply or I’m an idiot? That’s not exactly the approach a skeptic would take. Don’t trust ~any~ study that is anti-vaccine (they’re obviously ALL lunatics with no validity whatsoever), and you’re also telling me not to trust ~any~ information the company itself gives me that might negatively influence my decision to go along with the crowd. So…your solution, just let anyone with a white lab coat inject my children with whatever they say, just because they say so? Without even doing a patient history etc? May I ask, are *you* caught up on all *your* vaccines? You’ve actually taken the 60+ shots that most schools are now requiring?

    I’m not criticizing you for going along with the majority (not calling you sheeple or making any jokes about drinking the Koolaid), but you’re not adding anything to any discussion by “parroting” someone else’s talking points. All I’m saying is, this should be called the Apologist’s Blog (opposite of skeptic).

    • Lawrence McNamara

      You really don’t know what a “skeptic” is do you? There is a line (and it isn’t even a fine one) between being a skeptic and being a denier – anti-vax idiots deny any and all evidence that points to the safety and effectiveness of vaccines….skeptics look at the evidence on both sides.

      We’ve done that – and it turns out that there is no “evidence” or “science” on the other side of the vaccine debate – there is only emotional appeals and studies done by individuals with serious ethical issues (and mostly not even basic education into the science they purport to use).

      And if you actually spoke with a pediatrician, you’d know that a lot goes into the conversation about vaccines and scheduling….

    • Skeptical Raptor

      That is not a skeptic. You just think every bit of nonsense ever stated has equal value, a position that is intellectually corrupt and lazy. I’ve written about skepticism. Try reading it.

      • pwesley

        Wow, defensive much? LOL

        And, make assumptions much? Generalize much? LOL OMG …I take in every bit of nonsense ever stated? All this based on one post?

        Nice way of avoiding the question: Are you caught up on your vaccines? If not, you have no moral authority at all. Typical hypocrite.

        Let’s see it – provide a scan of your vax records.

  • Mike7106

    Skeptical Raptor Let me ask you a few questions. Do you know what a neurotoxin is? Do you know snake venom is a neurotoxin? Do you believe the human body has evolved to create an exit process for injected vaccine ingredients such as neurotoxins and other toxins zealously avoided to prevent contact and ingestion?

    Please tell me where all the aluminum adjuvant neurotoxins in injected vaccines end up. By definition NEUROtoxins migrate to the brain and injure it.

    • kellymbray

      Have you ever taken and passed a chemistry or biology class?

      • Mike7106

        As I remember I sat behind you in Biology. Yikes, how scarlet you got when your uncle, Vice-principal Bray, arrived 2 days a week to escort you to your remedial cognitive reading meeting. Bray would bellow “Today hombre.” The reference to your side of the family changing their name to Mbray never failed to disrupt the class for a full 1/2 minute after you slammed the door behind you.

        • kellymbray

          A simple no would have been a sufficient answer. But everyone reading your rambling bullshit already knew that.

        • Lawrence McNamara

          What an ass…..your lack of scientific understanding is a credit to whatever homeschooling you might have received.

  • Mike7106

    Truth be told I doubt pro vaxers even vaccinate or have young children.
    If they were vaccinating they would be experiencing the tragedy that is
    vaccine hysteria. Today’s vaccines and the accelerated schedule likely
    damage every child in some way. There is no way for the body to prevent
    the vaccine’s neurotoxins and other toxic ingredients from meandering
    through the body and causing damage. Much of that damage is to
    potential. As in who knows what she would have accomplished had she not
    been injected many times with neurotoxins.

    • Lawrence McNamara

      There is no “hysteria.” There are stupid & idiotic anti-vax individuals who wouldn’t know science if it came up and bit them….

      • ILoveObama2Death

        What causes autism?

        • Lawrence McNamara

          Well, current evidence points of a variety of genetic conditions / defects – linked to a fair number of genes, which seem to be related to causative factors like the age of the mother, age of the father, and other related issues.

          • ILoveObama2Death

            What are the studies that say that, because the head of the CDC does not know what cause autism. Also why such a drastic increase in the cases over the last 2 decades or so? Are you blaming mothers age? What are the ” other related issues”?

          • Lawrence McNamara

            The diagnostic criteria has changed dramatically over the past 30 years – many children who are now considered autistic would not have been twenty years ago (the largest increase in at the higher end of the spectrum). Surveys done on adult populations show a rate of autism equivalent to what we see in children…thus, no real increase, just better diagnostics.

          • ILoveObama2Death

            I really appreciate your answer, but do forgive me for being a bit skeptical for accepting said answer without source citations. Could you address my other questions/statements?

          • Lawrence McNamara
          • ILoveObama2Death

            I went to the NIH site, and this is what stuck out in my mind: “The lack of evidence from the majority of the world’s population suggests a critical need for further research and capacity building in low- and middle-income countries.” Would you address my other comments?

          • Lawrence McNamara

            I’m not “blaming” anyone – it has been proposed that both maternal and paternal age seems to play a role in the likelihood that a child will be diagnosed with autism.



            If I have missed something, please reiterate the questions.

          • Ade

            How much do you get paid for protecting Big Pharma.

          • Lawrence McNamara

            Sorry, I protect the health of children for free….the mocking of anti-vaxers is just a fringe-benefit.

          • Brian Black

            How is Joseph McCarthy doing over there?

      • Mike7106

        Vaccination is a concept of hope that has morphed to an addictive
        mindset promulgated and nurtured for profit, control, and subjugation of
        society by snakeoil salesmen.

        I wish the anti vaccine
        spokespersons would just bang their opponent with “Why do you think the
        neurotoxins in vaccines are safe for infants or anyone for that matter?”
        That’s all that has to be discussed. There is nothing left since
        neurotoxin is a poison by definition. Neurotoxins are substances that
        are poisonous or destructive to nerve tissue.

        ALL the vaccines
        recommended for children contain aluminum neurotoxins which by
        definition are poisonous. Neurotoxins are substances that are poisonous
        or destructive to nerve tissue.

        Vaccines are an over 200 year old
        medical concept that is essentially throwing water on a grease fire.
        The reason we have skin is to keep foreign substances away from the
        complex processes that maintain and keep the body functioning normally.
        Every drug or vaccine side effect is the body becoming dysfunctional. If
        a child has a seizure after receiving a vaccine the “doctor” will say
        it’s normal and nothing to worry about. Normal? Pretty inane since
        pretty much all vaccine adjuvants are laced with aluminum neurotoxins.

        The human body is highly complex and synchronized wikipedia./Human_body

        maturity, the estimated average number of cells in the body is given as
        37.2 trillion. This number is stated to be of partial data and to be
        used as a starting point for further calculations. The number given is
        arrived at by totalling the cell numbers of all the organs of the body
        and cell types.[2] The composition of the human body shows it to be
        composed of a number of certain elements, such as Ca2+, Na+, K+, C, etc,
        in different proportions.”

        Swallowed/ingested snake venom is of little consequence/danger.
        Swallowed/ingested mercury or aluminum has FDA safety levels.
        Venom injected through the skin is very dangerous.
        Mercury or aluminum injected through the skin are not subject to the aforementioned FDA safety levels.

        likely a billion or more to one that a vaccine of today, intended to
        interfere with your metabolism by overstimulating its immune system,
        will not harm you in any way. Just the presence of foreign matter,
        foreign chemicals, in a body controlled and given life by billions of
        chemical interactions SCREAMS insanity.

        Think of an automobile.
        Your body is much more complex. A billion times more? Many billions? Add
        a few drops of water to the engine or to the oil supply. The car would
        run just fine but the water would make its performance imperceptibly
        less than an identical car without the water. More water, less gas or
        oil and the performance may become discernibly less. Now the reason
        vaccines are so dangerous. Let the water, just a drop or so, somehow
        reach the car’s computer and the car’s performance can/may become
        erratic or just stop.
        Other than virus matter vaccines are chemicals that travel through your circulatory system without purpose.
        and round they go interfering with bodily processes that are the result
        of evolution. When they “arrive” bodily processes may go haywire trying
        to cope with their presence.

        One of the many bottom lines
        against today’s vaccines is that they are a relatively uncomplicated,
        one size fits all mixture of ingredients that never naturally enter the
        body through the skin. These relatively simple concoctions are
        presumptuously tasked to manipulate the complex task/process that is the
        human immune system. And, even more dire, the human immune system must
        contend with the intrusion of the ingredients of those concoctions. From
        formaldehyde to aluminum adjuvants used to overstimulate the immune

  • Mike7106

    Do you see any ingredient you would swallow, handle, let touch your
    eyes. The same for a loved one? Child? Baby? Do you see any ingredient
    you would inject into your child, your baby, or yourself?

  • Kevin Burber

    FYI – I went to the website of a pharmaceutical company that I knew to make vaccines to look at the PI and I got this warning before getting to the there (It’s pretty standard practice) –

    Important Notice

    This site is intended for US Healthcare Professionals. By clicking continue, you are acknowledging that you are a US Healthcare Professional.

    Hmmmm…I wonder why they do that?

    I’m not sure what most anti-vaxers do for a living, but let me give you an example. My spouse works with “big data” and I often mock, saying I know SQL. Of course, I’m joking. I can write a very basic query if I need to…I dunno…get all of the entries that start with the letter “A”. This is not AT ALL what the job entails – using complex queries from a number of sources and then uses statistical programs like SAS and R to fully analyze the data and has on occasion written new code. Formally educated as a mathematician and used to be in R&D for a software company. So that they are aware, what they are doing is akin to me saying I could do the job because I can do a simple SQL query.

    It is one thing to be smart…and another to be knowledgeable. I consider myself pretty darn smart, but I’m not a mathematician, an engineer, not a doc, not a air traffic controller. I could probably do those things if I invested the years, but I can’t obtain the breadth and depth of knowledge required to fully understand all aspects of all fields, so I rely on those who have.

    Another example – a reasonably educated person could understand this:

    But not this:

    Just my two cents…take it for what it’s worth.
    Let me make that four cents – That is the best – most comprehensive and accurate – explanation of a PI I think I’ve seen. Thank you for putting the time in to write it.

    • Mike7106

      How can the garland PDF discuss vaccines without mentioning (aluminum)adjuvants? And that they are neurotoxins? It gets a huge FAIL.

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  • Human

    This article is the biggest crock of shit I have ever wasted time reading. Vaccine inserts do NOT compare to unvaccinated populations. Their so-called souble blind studies are against a different vaccine, NOT no vaccine. And I have NEVER met a doctor who has actually read an insert. Otherwise they would not be recommending certain vaccines to a pregnant woman, or someone undergoing radiation (my grandfather) if they actually did proper research. And they certainly do not like it when you ask to read the insert, they dmeand that you inject yourself with a vaccine and give you a hard time when you even ask a question about it.

    For the record, I am NOT anti vaccine. But I do believe in having ALL the information and that includes reading the information about ANY substance your doctor wants you to take, including vaccines, antibiotics, and medications to name a few.

    • DJEB

      An insert is not a medical paper, so of course it would not be a double-blind study. And regarding double bind studies, they are a red herring. This is an article on what package inserts are and how they are composed.

      Whether you’ve met a doctor who has read a vaccine insert is neither here nor there with respect to what an insert is. Unverifiable anecdotes are perhaps fun to post, but you could show enough introspection as to see if they are relevant or not.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        “And regarding double bind studies, they are a red herring. This is an article on what package inserts are and how they are composed.”

        Actually it’s not, because the whole premise of the article is “Vaccine Inserts are not a Good Source because Statistics from Studies are Better” – If the statistics are not proper double-blind studies, then the entire article is bogus.

        • DJEB

          “Human” is the one raising the issue of double-blind studies.

          It’s a good issue to raise. Here’s why double-blind studies are not done:

          • Gregg Braddoch

            So, what you are saying is – Ethical concerns keep us from doing a proper study – My question then is – Why would we consider these studies to actually be fact, when every other clinical trial needs double-blind studies to demonstrate it’s efficacy?

            If this is the ‘scientific’ standard, then it qualifies acupuncture and astrology as “medical science.”

            Essentially these “scientific researchers” are saying “Vaccines work, but we can’t do a proper study to show they work, because that would be unethical, because they work.” Circular logic FTW?

          • DJEB

            The efficacy of vaccination has long been established (vaccination has a 1000-year history, as a matter of fact). They don’t need to do a double-blind study on every vaccines because they know how immunity is conferred. What the need to study and do study is if the vaccine is effective at providing immunity, and if it is safe. This is not remotely the same animal as developing a new heart drug or anti-depressant where the mechanism of the drug is not known.

          • DJEB

            And I notice the goal posts have shifted away from “vaccine inserts say” to “double blind.”

          • Gregg Braddoch

            None of the reasons you give above support efficacy testing without placebo.

          • DJEB

            If you develop a new heart drug, you need to see if it actually works to help patients. You do that with a double-bind test.

            We know how the immune system responds. If you develop a new vaccine, you see if the patient develops antibodies via blood test. You don’t need a double blind test for that.

    • kellymbray

      Is there a problem with your CAPS lock?

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  • R.w. Foster

    I just discovered this on Dr. Folta’s Facebook page, and thought it would be cool to share with you, Raptor. I’m not sure if you’ve seen it. “There was a poster at the AgCanada14 Conference of good online sources for agriculture information.”

    • Skeptical Raptor

      Yes, I did see it. And I’m so humbled by it. :)

      • R.w. Foster

        I cheered when I saw that so many folks I respect and admired were acknowledged for their hard work. Now, we need to get you guys recognized by the rest of the nation & world.

  • R.w. Foster

    My favorite tactic when someone mentions package inserts is to mention the funny AE I caused to be listed on the Cialis insert.

  • Dorit Reiss

    I can’t start to tell you how valuable this is.

    • Skeptical Raptor

      Thank you Dorit. And that’s why I updated it, because I didn’t realize how many different articles cite it. I try to keep a dozen or so of the most cited articles up-to-date.

    • Spencer James Smith

      so he has explained the inserts, big deal, and i dont care that autism isnt on there. it all depends on what sources you believe. its all second hand information. honestly. only few people really KNOW. i even know someone who researches vaccine development for her job. you would think she would know whats going on right? wrong, not necessarily. a lot of times first someone has to have a really open mind. or have reason to believe there could be a conspiracy or reason why vaccines were purposely not safe. whether for just doing whatever they want to get money, or something bigger like a depopulation agenda. guess what this girl is taught in university about everything she is dealing with? she is given information and results of studies that she didnt do. experiments she didnt do. statistics she did not gather. guess who does this? the CDC, which is a conflict of interest. and most other studies will be biased or manipulated to show or support vaccine safety and effectiveness because anything that doesnt the scientist risks losing their career and sometimes even their pension.

      i choose to be VERY wary of anything the government seems to really want to push by force and is being pushed by most of mainstream news. sites like these just cause me built up stress and cant stand them and the people that make them. the WHO is principally funded by rockefeller. naturally i dont trust the WHO. i choose to believe the doctors that are against vaccines and explain how they got to that conclusion. there are coverups and misleading causes and effects, and information not being told.

      • Delius

        So you choose to believe only those people who say things you already believe. Got it.

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  • Mike7106

    Merck states “Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain
    that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus,
    vaccine, or something else triggers inflammation. The spinal cord may
    also be involved, resulting in a disorder called encephalomyelitis.

    People may have a fever, headache, or seizures, and they may feel sleepy, numb, or confused.

    Magnetic resonance imaging of the head and a spinal tap are usually done.

    Treatment involves relieving symptoms and sometimes using antiviral drugs.

    Encephalitis can occur in the following ways:

    A virus directly infects the brain.

    A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.

    A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).”

    Vaccines cause Encephalitis. Encephalitis causes autism.

    • Skeptical Raptor

      Here’s your stupidity in no particular order:

      1. The mountains of peer-reviewed evidence show us that vaccines are unrelated to autism.

      2. Nothing else matters.

      3. The Merck Manual is incorrect in this matter.

      4. Medline Plus, the official diagnostic guide of the National Institutes of Health does not include vaccines as a cause of encephalitis.

      5. The Diseases DB does not include vaccines as a cause of encephalitis in any form.

      6. Cherry picking one sentence out of an article without actually understanding the point. That is, the virus would have caused the reaction anyways, so the vaccine would not have mattered. If the person had become infected with the virus, it would have lead to the autoimmune disease. That being said, the literature shows no general causal relationship between vaccines of any sort and encephalitis.

      You’re just a cherry picking idiot. Go troll a website that actually tolerates ignorance and stupidity.

      • Mike7106

        You’ve had one too many brain mushing flu shots if you think Merck would posit that in error.

        • Mike7106

          One of the nurses from the Nurses Who Vaccinate FB page said that parents exempting their children from vaccines won’t stop until there is an epidemic. I wonder what she calls a 1 in 70 child autism rate? Or the huge number of asthmatic children. Current Prevalence Age-specific current asthma prevalence trends are shown in Table 7 . Approximately 25.9 million Americans (including 7.1 million children) had asthma in 2011; a rate of 84.8 per 1,000 population. The highest prevalence rate was seen in those 5-17 years of age (105.5 per 1,000 population). Overall, the rate in those under 18 (94.9 per 1,000) was significantly greater than those over 18 (81.6 per 1,000; not shown ). 11

          • Dorit Reiss

            Since the evidence is that the rate of autism has not actually changed across decades – – that vaccines do not cause autism or asthma, that point is really not relevant to this discussion. Not vaccinating would not prevent any of these problems – just add preventable diseases on top.

            I would call an epidemic having 10000 cases of whooping cough in California. Back partly because of a vaccine that’s not effective enough and partly thanks to non-vaccinating. Having tens of thousands of cases of measles in Europe. All preventable, because of anti-vaccine misinformation.

          • Mike7106

            When you have absolutely NOTHING just LIE. That’s what “people” like REISS do and have been doing for ever.

          • Dorit Reiss

            If anything I said is inaccurate, please show that.

          • Mike7106

            “Since the evidence is that the rate of autism has not actually changed across decades – ” That’s not just a lie it shows how little you care about the children who have become autistic.

          • Dorit Reiss

            Have you looked at the article above, that calculated the rate of autism over decades and showed exactly that?

            The rate of autism diagnoses has certainly gone up. But that does not mean there are more children with autism. To remind you, we have a broader diagnosis, better awareness, and more services.

          • kellymbray

            “Scumbag zionists control America.”

            FYI. Mike7106 is a special kind of scumbag

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            Yeah, special. Here is another gem: “Hitler has what to do with Iran? Zionists engineered WWII just as they are engineering terrorist chaos world wide, especially the ME.”

          • Chi

            The rate of autism hasn’t changed. It’s just that now we are better at diagnosing what does and does not fall upon the autism spectrum. Thus enabling people who are autistic to get whatever help they may need.

            Go back 50 years and they would have been thrown in an institution as ‘weird’ or ‘unstable’.

          • Mike7106

            Really? So where are the many millions of autistic seniors?

          • Bridget47

            If they were instiutionalized, they’re dead, Mike. check the life expectancy for the mentally retarded born in the 1960s.

            Dorit gave you a link to the research- are you unable to open the link?

          • Spencer James Smith

            a lot has been. you are just too stubborn to see the real world you live in.

          • Spencer James Smith

            again, “evidence”. the majority right? majority equals evidence?

          • Dorit Reiss

            It’ not a vote. But when different teams of scientists looking independently find the same results, the results reinforce each others. Dismissing them all as wrong becomes harder.

          • Spencer James Smith

            then i believe that whatever is influencing the studies in america that show vaccine safety and effectiveness are the same factors that influence the same results in studies around the world. and thank you for being calm even when i am not, i respect it.

          • Spencer James Smith

            then they are wrong or producing bad studies. OR maybe a lot of them are not as independent as you are led to believe.

          • James M. Barber

            Basically what your telling us is that you don’t have any friends in science or medicine and you think peer review is controlled by the illuminati, or maybe its the rothschilds. Not sure which racist world agenda the conspiracy crowd is leaning toward these days.

          • Spencer James Smith

            and you know for a fact that there are tens of thousands of cases of measles in europe that would have been prevented by vaccines? because you are the one that personally examined each of the cases, and counted all the cases one by one, and diagnosed one by one, and the dates and all of it yourself, so you have evidence. or are you just repeating what side makes sense to you. seems like vaccines are effective, and i dont believe there is a conspiracy, therefore there is EVIDENCE the rate of autism has not changed. because that is the second hand information i have gotten from the sources that i believe.

          • Dorit Reiss

            If we had to get all our information first hand, each of us would know very very little. We need to rely on others – which is why we examine carefully the methodology of the study and look for it to be replicated by different groups.

            The studies that show the rate of autism has not changed are carefully controlled and done. You have pointed to no flaw in them.

          • Spencer James Smith

            yes true. i would just like people to realize that when they think that something is true no matter what just because they heard it from a “trusted source” or majority source doesnt mean they know that it is a fact. it means you agree with the source. you are at the mercy of the sources. as am i. i believe the side that makes the most sense to me. just as others will side with the source that they garner their opinion from.

          • Spencer James Smith

            autism rates have not changed across the decades? bull crap, wow. i love immunity too. it tends to get damaged by the vaccines people are getting.

          • James M. Barber

            Autism rates have changes as the diagnosis has caught up with the realities of the spectrum. You have no idea what your talking about, and your understanding of science is laughable. Naturalistic fallacy, correlation does not always imply causation. Please go back to school.

          • jmcgladr

            There is zero evidence that either autism or asthma are caused by vaccines. Asthma cases skyrocketing likely has a lot to do with dangerous levels of smog/pollutants in the atmosphere.

          • Bridget47

            There’s some interesting research that people who’ve been exposed to tapeworms have lower rates of asthma & allergies.

            If that’s so, the skyrocketing rates of asthma is probably more likely due to the fact that children don’t run barefoot in the fields anymore.

          • jmcgladr

            Eww tapeworms, who wants those? I think I’d rather have asthma.

          • Bridget47

            People die from asthma. Think of tapeworms as a new variation on the Paleo diet. ; )

          • jmcgladr

            Don’t people die from worm infestations as well?
            Just glad I don’t have either!

          • Spencer James Smith

            zero evidence according to what source? you cant simply say there is no evidence. because there is. but because you either havent heard of that evidence, or dont trust the source, or dont trust the evidence because it doesnt support your side you simply say “there is zero evidence”. what is evidence to one is not evidence to another. you say there is “zero evidence” because you A. havent seen studies or doctors opionions from the other side that support it or B. dont trust the source. just because its the majority opinion in the medical community that autism or asthma are not caused by vaccines does not make it evidence. there are studies done by the majority of which they say conclude that there is no causation. so you are saying that majority is evidence? i am not afraid to have the minority opinion. can you cite me the law that states “majority is correct?”

      • Mike7106

        Many people ask if vaccines are dangerous.
        “Several viruses including polio, chicken pox, and West Nile are capable of causing encephalitis.

        And, an allergic reaction to vaccinations [11], as
        per the National Institutes of Health, also can cause encephalitis with
        brain swelling. Encephalitis was included as one of the vaccine injuries
        to be compensated for under the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury
        Act. [12]

        Vulnerabilities of the Infant Brain, Uniquely Susceptible to Lipid Peroxidation

        By way of explanation, the term “lipid peroxidation” refers to lipid
        degradation resulting from free radical generation from a series of
        pro-inflammatory chain reactions, which can be very damaging if the
        process is prolonged. “Free-radicals” in turn refer to atoms with
        unpaired electrons, resulting in heightened instability and reactivity.
        The end result of abnormally prolonged lipid peroxidation may be abnormal brain inflammation with secondary brain edema (swelling).

        Of all the organs of the body, the brain is the most susceptible to
        oxidative degradation, commonly referred to “lipid peroxidation.”
        Although an infant’s brain receives 15 percent of normal cardiac output,
        it utilizes nearly 25 percent of the body’s oxygenation. [13] As
        elevated oxygen levels in the environment bring increased risk of
        explosions or fire, comparable physiological risks exist in the brain.
        In addition to being a highly oxygenated organ, the human brain has
        heightened vulnerability to harmful peroxidation because the brain has
        by far the highest fat content of any organ of the body with membrane
        lipids constituting 60 percent of the solid matter. [14] In addition,
        both brain and retina contain a relatively high percentage of the
        omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid, docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) [10-20]
        and arachidonic acid (ARA) that serve as a primary building block of the
        membranes of these structures. DHA and ARA are high in energetics, but
        they are far more unstable and vulnerable to pro-inflammatory
        peroxidation (oxidative lipid degradation) than saturated fats. [13-22]

        In essence, the brain might be compared with highly inflammable dry
        grass or brush enclosed in an area with elevated oxygen levels, needing
        only a spark to set off a conflagration of inflammatory lipid
        peroxidation. In all likelihood, vaccine adjuvants provide this spark
        far more often than generally realized.” – See more at:

        • Dorit Reiss

          This is an excellent example of why the vaccination council – an anti-vaccine organization – is not a good source. The interesting, but unsupported theory of how the brain functions they provide does not fit the data. The data is that serious problems from vaccines are very, very rare.

          • Spencer James Smith

            and you know that for a fact right? you KNOW for a FACT, that they are rare. or is that just what it says from the link you posted?

          • Dorit Reiss

            That’s what the data shows.

          • Spencer James Smith

            right, i am sorry i did not read your comment more carefully i apologize i jumped the gun. i guess what i do mean though, is yes that is what that data could show. but you are at the mercy of trusting the study done, the integrity of the experiment and conclusion of who is doing it and who is reporting it. the people behind the data have agendas, everyone does. im sure many scientists is to just be an honest hard worker and get the truth out. but remember geniuses can be wrong about things. and trusted sources can lie. the earth was proven flat. ive seen things changing all the time like einstein was wrong about this, ok this is true about black holes, no we found that that is not true etc. and yes that is theoretical physics, but still – the source that one is used to regarding trustworthy and credible speaks, and it is believed. but then what was spoken and believed by newton about the way gravity works was proved wrong by einstein.

          • Dorit Reiss

            The review above is relying on many studies from all around the world. One study can be wrong, two can. When the number goes up, it’s a lot less likely. Replication is how we correct for error.

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            That is no reason to assume that the studies are without merit as long as they support the effectiveness and relative safety of vaccines. Science progresses by repeating the investigations. Nothing in the anti-vax world is supported by data.

          • Spencer James Smith

            talking to anyone on this blog is a complete waste of my time i have realized.

          • Spencer James Smith

            ok i am now eating those words. there is NO REASON TO ASSUME THAT THE STUDIES ARE WITHOUT MERIT? ok i will be getting back to you.

          • Spencer James Smith


            take a look at that link.

            take a look at this link.


            these are quotes that i gleaned from this link from a ex pharma sales rep. he was in the business for 35 years and was involved in every department related to vaccines except for the production. here is the video –

            here are the quotes –

            quotes by dr. john rengen virapen –

            (13:20) “we need the pharma industry because there are some good things out there…there are some things out there that is good. but most of it is rubbish”

            (15:15) “eli lilly and company fined 1.4 billion dollars for one product that i have written about in this book”

            (16:26) “the patients who received this drug (its called zyprexa) – the patients who received this drug also got diabetes. and who is the largest diabetes medication producer in the world? Eli lilly and company”

            (17:00) “now there were a couple of other companies that were fined heavily for other drugs in the pharma industry (and these are huge companies), but it never came out” you know why? because the press – the press works also with the pharma industry just like the government does”

            (17:26) “and i was surprised because the germans – they say “ya we write about all these things and what not”. but they didnt write about this one”

            (17:40) “the pharma companies use the media to implant this dirty work on you”

            (17:46) “you never get to know the truth until its too late”

            (18:59) “they taught us something called FAB. Features, advantages, and benefits. dont talk about side effects, thats taboo.”

            (19:20) “i also know that they hide dangerous side effects, because i was in charge of a clinical study for prozac…(19:33) the first week they started the trial, two of the patients tried to commit suicide. (19:57) the pharma industry by law is not obliged to give out information like that. Their friends in washington made sure of that”.

            (20:07) “did you know that george bushs father was on the board of directors for elli lilly and company?” (20:10) “one of the political advisors in the george bush administration, a guy called mitch daniels, he was a vice president of elli lilly”.

            (20:50) “elli lilly and company is one of the largest political contributors to the republican party”

            (21:04) “they have a $100 000 executive walking around washington saying “hi come to my bbq this weekend”. and that ladies and gentlemen is the highest form of corruption. its called lobbying”.

            (33:00) “you can do your research and you will find that i have worked in every single department except production”.

            quotes by dr. rima laibow

            (36:59) “i have treated as a physician a reigning monarch who explained that this was the plan that she was raised with; she was not a young woman…the plan is underway…there was a law enacted which was signed into law by the twice un-elected president of the united states – george bush that law is called the “new freedoms initiative”. The new freedoms initiative signed in 2004 says every child in the united states including unborn children, must be screened by mental illness. (38:01) John rengen – “this was a study done by the george bush’s institute for mental health in texas, which was built by eli lilly and company. i attended a meeting in 2007 in berlin. i was invited there by members of the green party. i was supposed to say something, i dont know what. started speaking, they cut me off. because there were a group of psychiatrists begging the government for money to perform exactly what rema just said.” (38:43) rima laibow – “and thats why im telling you, but theres more. step one – screen every child including the unborn by screening their mothers for mental illness. step two – treat on a mandatory basis every child who is found to have mental illness. which means every child. and step – 3 screen and treat on a mandatory basis every single person who has any contact with children because we have to protect the little dears. that means mothers, shop keepers, school teachers, grandparents, neighbors”.

          • Spencer James Smith

            view the top couple of links. please.

            read the quotes from the ex pharma whistle blower video please. and you can verify it all in the video. if you do not view all this information, please do not say anything. and if you still hold the same opinion. you need to gather some courage and stop living in denial.

            o ya and science stood behind asbestos, smoking, and DDT. and a lot of the reason is because of money or an insidious agenda. so dont ever tell me there is no reason to assume the studies are without merit. i dont even have to assume, i already know. saying there is know reason to doubt the merit of the studies after all the research i have done, and about rockefellers, the UN, gates foundation and the WHO, i would be a fool to give merit to those studies.

          • Spencer James Smith

            something they dont teach at med school is to stop jerking off to your own genius and the holy grail that is the healthcare system and what they teach. they dont teach you to really grow a pair of balls and look through the smoke and mirrors. why would they? it is against their best interests. if they want to keep a job.

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            You are a pathetic troll and a poor excuse for a human being. Yeah, jerking off and balls to you too, Einstein. You know about as much about biology, health, health care, science, and possibly grammar as my parrot, but you have nowhere near her charm.

          • Spencer James Smith

            ya sorry i didnt edit what i said to make it grammatically correct. i cared more about getting my point across. and yes i have been rude and upset. but sandy, did you look at the links? if not, you have just proved my point of how ignorant some people are, specifically skeptical raptor. einstein said this “Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance”. sounds like you have not read or looked into any of the information or links i provided. if that is true, then you are quite ignorant, as is skeptical raptor. when i started talking about the rockefellers all he did was laugh. if you are so confident in everything you said, how about you look over what i sent you an contest it? instead of just saying i am a troll and a poor excuse for a human being.

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            Quote from George Bernard Shaw:
            “Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”

            He must have been thinking of trolls.

          • James M. Barber

            People who actually work to study things by spending the time and effort to get a proper education, can easily see nonsense from far away. You sound like the kind of person who thinks science is neat, and wishes he had tried harder in school. You think this is interesting or fun, and it fits your mask wearing conspiracy theorist side. Really you are suffering from dunning kruger badly and you should probably attempt to actually learn some science so that you don’t site obvious nonsense anymore.

        • Skeptical Raptor

          Until you provide scientific evidence equivalent or superior to the vast mountain of evidence that clearly and unequivocally rejects the hypothesis that any vaccine has anything to do with anything on the autism spectrum disorder, please bring it. But taking a 100 year old medical manual or quoting a legal document that has nothing to do with science means to me you have nothing to offer to this conversation but misinformation and ignorance. Good day sir.

          • Mike7106

            The vax machine is a lying machine in league with the MSM. The latest
            blatant lie that has been repeated in commercials, pushing a shingles
            vaccine, by spokesperson Terry Bradshaw and others is that 1 out of 3
            people will get shingles in their lifetime.

          • jmcgladr

            It seems highly likely that 1in 3 (older) people will get shingles in their lifetime, considering that nearly all of us had chicken pox as kids and shingles is merely a flare up of that virus lying dormant in our system. My Dad had shingles, very painful and caused permanent nerve damage and facial scars. I would get the vaccine, and my kids got the chicken pox vaccine, so hopefully will never get a full on case of chicken pox ( which is miserable in itself).

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            My generation (older than 60) are starting to get shingles if we have not had the vaccine. Some of us, having had organ transplants, are not able to have the vaccine. Shingles is horrible. You younger people are lucky to have the chickenpox vaccine. We just had chickenpox, and now, shingles. Mike7106 is an idiot. I ran out and had the vaccine.

          • Spencer James Smith

            by superior do you mean more than a majority? cuz that probably isnt going to happen. and that doesnt make the majority right, that just means the majority are either in a state of false sense of security not believing that these things could possibly happen, or are afraid of losing their job. i am sure the MAJORITY of people in germany didnt believe in conspiracy either until one day they woke up under the reign of a tyrant in hell. what do you think of flouride in the water? and skeptical raptor you have a choice. you can believe one source of information or the other. so the majority of studies, the CDC, the government. or the minority. but like i said above to someone else. you arent doing any of the actual experiments. and there is evidence for a conspiracy and with studies that show adverse effects that come from the vaccines. it just depends on what you believe. i believe my version, you believe yours. but to say that my side or the other side is not equal or not superior to a majority opinion just is another way of you saying you dont believe that version, you believe the other version.

      • Kir (Politicoid)

        For someone who portrays himself as a professional, you seem to have no problem resorting to childish insults. Does attacking people give you a hard on?

        • DJEB

          Doesn’t chastising someone by referencing erections strike you as rather, well, childish?

          • Kir (Politicoid)

            In question form and as a response to repeated immature behavior by the author of the site? Not really. It seems quite clear that this author gets off on asserting his supposed mental superiority.

          • Chi

            As I’m sure I’ve mentioned before, his blog, his rules. If you don’t like the way he refutes people who are obviously trolling then there’s the door. Also, you wouldn’t mention his mental superiority if you weren’t threatened by it.

            So go now and scurry back into the dark hole from whence thou came.

          • Kir (Politicoid)

            Mental superiority. Now that’s a good one. You’re right that he sets the rules. And if pointing out that being a dick to your readers is against his rules, well, that just goes to show that he can’t argue his way out of a paper bag.

          • Chi

            Clearly you lack reading comprehension skills as well as manners.

            I said that because it is his blog it is perfectly within his rights to be a dick to people who come here for the sole purpose of trolling and debating bad science. He shouldn’t have to put up with the likes of you who clearly have nothing to do but attack him because he has written an article that challenges your staunchly held but baseless beliefs. Like I said, scurry along. What does and does not give him a hard on is none of your concern and since this is HIS blog he is allowed to be as childish as he wishes when dealing with trolls because (and I’m sorry this is childish but…) ‘they started it’.

          • Kir (Politicoid)

            While not on this article, I have put forward valid risks associated with vaccines. This has nothing to do with baseless beliefs. This has to do with having actually done research. The main issues with vaccines, which are not being addressed are potential for the creation of silent carriers due to incomplete vaccination, and alteration of risk aversion due to a false sense of security.

            You want more than insults? Okay. Here you go. Did you know that two different studies have suggested that Pertussis vaccines result individuals without the usual symptoms? These people go undiagnosed, do not think that they are sick, and can spread the disease to others. That’s a huge issue.

            So what’s your response?

          • Chi

            Citations needed.

            Can I see those supposed studies that are suggesting asymptomatic carriers? Might I point out that a lot of unvaccinated children are also asymptomatic for a lot of diseases before they realize they are sick?

            Also by incomplete vaccination do you mean they didn’t receive the recommended vaccinations on schedule or only one or two thereof or do you mean those individuals who are vaccinated but for whatever reason don’t develop immunity?

            Two very different scenarios there as I’m sure you can see.

      • Spencer James Smith

        thank you, all hail the skeptical raptor.

      • Spencer James Smith

        this site does tolerate ignorance and stupidity. it tolerates you (well some people do), dorit riess, lilady R.N or whatever her name is. at least dorit and lilady seem to have a more level head in some way. but skeptical raptor, this blog has upset me since the day i was unfortunate enough to lay eyes upon it. the level of your denial, and ignorance is actually childish. anytime i make reference to a conspiracy theory it seems to tickle peoples funny bones on here. it seems like the more factual it is the harder they laugh. when i talked about the rockefeller documents you said that i amuse you because rockefeller is not a scientist. wow he doesnt have to be. he is made of money, he OWNS scientists, and the FDA. and the UN. he says from his own mouth and his own book that he is part of a conspiracy to create one world government and is against american interests. i can give you the link again. his corporation is not audited. for someone that rich and powerful, how could you not take that statement seriously? you are one of the most annoying people on the planet. he bought the land for the UN building to be built on. he made sure that when the FDA was founded that most of the board members on it worked for him. there are numerous US presidents that speak about the existence of the iluminati, and that the federal reserve controls america. but why dont you just laugh it off, and give it some of your “skeptical” bull crap. robert f kennedy is someone i listen to carefully. his father was killed for standing up against the federal reserve and “secret societies” which he quotes in his own speech. isnt this amusing?

        • James M. Barber

          Would you honestly talk to an adult in real life about this. Would you bring it up in it interview. This isn’t some bullshit political topic, it is as serious as this gets, and it has no room for nonsense conspiracy theories that are regurgitated by people who couldn’t pass high school chemistry but want to pretend they understand how the immune system works. Bullshit. You want to have an opinion that matters, go finish a proper education, and then see if maybe you didn’t quite understand how peer review works.

    • Dorit Reiss

      If you actually look at the version of the Merck Manual aimed at professionals, they address which vaccines may cause autism. It says: “The most common causes used to be measles, rubella, chickenpox, and mumps (all now uncommon because childhood vaccination is widespread); smallpox vaccine; and live-virus vaccines (eg, the older rabies vaccines prepared from sheep or goat brain).”

      In other words, two vaccines no longer in use were associated with encephalitis. In contrast, by preventing other viral infections, the vaccines prevent encephalitis. This actually does not support your claim that vaccines currently in use cause autism. Quite the opposite.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        “In other words, two vaccines no longer in use were associated with encephalitis.”

        Which begs the question: “Why should we trust companies that have a history of saying their vaccines are safe when there are documented instances where they were not?”

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  • Lowell Hubbs

    How about vaccine contamination? Should that be of any concern? That is not listed on the vaccine insert, nor anywhere else? In fact it appears that such as the cancer causing SV40 virus will now be with us on this planet forever.

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Fernanda Martini1, Alfredo Corallini2, Veronica Balatti1, Silvia Sabbioni2, Cecilia Pancaldi1 and Mauro Tognon1*

    Corresponding author: Mauro Tognon

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    Excerpts: These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)


    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    Polio Vaccine, Simian Monkey Virus and cancer links

    Gardasil Vaccine Found to be Contaminated

    SANE Vax to FDA: Recombinant HPV DNA found in multiple samples of Gardasil

    Gardasil Vaccine rDNA Introduced at Coroner’s Inquest

    Bombshell Interview Reveals DNA Fragments Discovered 6 Months After Vaccination, (Gardasil)

    The persistence of HPV DNA fragments and adverse effects in HPV shot recipients

    Truth About Gardasil, (personal accounts of the harm done)

    HPV vaccine linked to deaths

    Death after Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincidental?

    Conclusions: Our study suggests that HPV vaccines containing HPV-16L1 antigens pose an inherent risk for triggering potentially fatal autoimmune vasculopathies.

    Published on Dec 5, 2012
    Dr. Deisher testifies at the MN House about vaccine safety. She presents research demonstrating a link between the rise in the rates of autism and the use of aborted fetal cells in the production of vaccines. Dr. Deisher is the president and founder of SoundChoice, a non-profit that works to provide safe vaccination alternatives.

    Dr. Deisher testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism (2 of 4).

    Dr. Deisher testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism (3 of 4).

    Dr. Deisher testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism (4 of 4).

    Spontaneous Integration of Human DNA Fragments Into Host Genomes


    Spontaneous cellular and nuclear DNA uptake was evident in HFF1 and U937. Spontaneous cellular uptake was seen in NCCIT. DNA uptake in BE (2)-C, M059J, and M059K was not measurable because of high auto fluorescence of the cells. No Cy3 signal was observed in HL-60. The amount of labeled Cy3 human Cot1 DNA incorporation in U937 genomic DNA was 0.0111 +/- 0.0034pg (n=12) per cell in 24 hours, which was approximately 0.167% of total U937 genomic DNA.


    This study demonstrates that primitive short DNA fragments (50-300 bp) are spontaneously taken up by HFF-1, U937 and NCCIT cells and inserted into the genome of the monocytic leukemia cell line U937. Hence, vaccines containing residual HERVK and human fetal DNA fragments may contribute to the genomic instability observed in ASD.


    The dangers of using aborted fetal cell lines for vaccine manufacture have been debated by the FDA for over 50 years, and yet they have not done sufficient safety studies. The active component of a vaccine is a virus. Viruses are too large to manufacture in test tubes. Therefore, vaccine manufacturers exploit the natural method of producing virus– they inoculate cells and the cells produce the virus for them. Each vial of vaccine contains contaminants from the cells used to make the virus. When we use animal cells to make viruses, the residual material is not human and so we mount an immune response to it and eliminate it. However, in the case of vaccines produced using aborted human fetal cell lines, we have the dangers of triggering an autoimmune response and insertion of the contaminating DNA to disrupt the child’s own genes.

    In the US, autism has spiked up in 3 distinct years, called changepoints. The first changepoint occurred in 1981, the second in 19881, and the third in 1996. These spikes coincide with the introduction of vaccines that are produced in aborted fetal cells. In 1979, aborted fetal cell produced MMR II was approved in the US. Compliance campaigns brought MMR II use up from as low as 49% for children born before 1987 to over 82% for children born in 1989 and later. A second dose of MMR II was also introduced to the vaccination schedule for children born in 1988 and later. The third changepoint corresponds to the approval of aborted fetal cell produced Varivax (chickenpox) in 1995 (See figure below).

    Read more:

    For Scientific Data: Homologous Recombination Study

    Chickenpox Vaccine Use is Highly Statistically Related to Autism Disorder; (using by the way, human diploid tissue in manufacture)

    Viral Nucleic Acids in Live-Attenuated Vaccines: Detection of Minority Variants and an Adventitious Virus

    Vaccine Contamination: Pig Virus DNA Found in Rotarix

    Autism Epidemic, Is Foreign DNA in MMR II Vaccine Responsible? CBCD Suggests CDC Study Microcompetition Theory
    The Center for the Biology of Chronic Disease (CBCD) believes that the cause of the epidemic is the foreign DNA in the MMR II vaccine.

    Toxic Vaccines? CBCD Sends Letter to FDA & CDC on Foreign DNA Fragments in Gardasil and MMR
    The CBCD sent a letter this past week to the offices of the FDA Commissioner, Dr. Margaret Hamburg,and to the offices of the CDC’s director, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden.

    Vaccines Contaminated with Mycoplasma’s – by Garth Nicolson

    Garth Nicolson has written and published hundreds of peer reviewed medical journal articles. He discusses how vaccines are not tested for mycoplasma contamination’s.

    Microcompetition with foreign DNA and the Origin of Chronic Disease. [Paperback]

    A selection from: Microcompetition with Foreign DNA and the Origin of Chronic Disease
    by Hanan Polansky, August 2004

    Junk Science? Number 71: Big Pharma bias and inaccurate conclusions in vaccine research

    The conclusions drawn in over 80 per cent of flu vaccine global research studies did not hold up to objective scrutiny, according to a report in the BMJ, March 2014. Huge inaccuracy levels like these rightly fuel serious skeptic concerns that flu vaccine benefits are often hyped.

    The BMJ study, which looked at some 274 comparative studies on flu vaccination, found that only a mere 18 percent of the studies were deemed to actually prove what the articles claimed to be their findings!

    Read more:

    • Skeptical Raptor

      Youtube videos are hardly reliable sources for anything but someone babbling themselves without any reliable sources. It’s like a self-fulfilling source about itself.

      The BMJ story, written a shill for the anti-vaxxers, decided arbitrarily to void any study that had Big Pharma support without any substantial evidence that the quality of a study with or without support had any difference in quality. That’s cherry picking of cherry picking, and is laughable.

      I’ve already dismissed the bogus claims about SV40.

      Really do you have anything original? Cause, you are known spammer on Disqus.

      • Lowell Hubbs

        You haven’t actually dismissed anything, other than in your own mind. Can you actually address that vaccine contamination information, directly? No you can not? Where are the counter studies showing the confirmation of no such contamination? Where are your studies showing no link to autism, in regard to that contamination issue. The CDC has not even begun to look at any such thing, other than to for the most part deny the existence of any such contamination; and when they are forced to realize its existence by confirmation made by a private lab; they simply deny there is any evidence and nor any scientific proof ever existing, as to and regarding the potential harm to human health.

        Those studies do not exist which you need to refute this information. Where are your Big Pharma studies? Where is the confirmation of the quality of their studies? You can not get any closer to cherry picking than only accepting the so called studies of big pharma and their cohorts? I am telling you right here and now, I want you to produce the comparable counter studies and direct data. Who is disregarding and limiting the data here, you or me? The table is always open. And that was the best you could do. All you ever have is falsely discrediting claims and excuses, for why you have failed and continue to fail to address the actual information.

        And actually it appears that the said analysis of the BMJ study, was quite accurate.

      • Human

        You tube videos are hardly reliable sources for anything but someone babbling themsleves without any reliable sources. Much like blogs, this one in particular. It’s like a self-fulfilling source about itself.

      • Spencer James Smith

        another weak point. youtube videos are hardly a reliable source for anything. guess what, i am sure you can find a youtube video that shows some simple math being done. but i shouldnt believe it because it is on youtube. again, just a way to try and make you right. guess what else is on youtube? videos that support your view and cite the studies you like. so saying “youtube videos are hardly reliable sources for anything” is just not true. but yes a lot of videos are people babbling without citing sources very well.

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    • Lowell Hubbs

      This Mama Isn’t Scared of the Shmeasle Measles

      The Schmeasle Facts

      So far, in 2014 there have been 288 cases of measles, no cases of encephalitis, and no death. In 2013 there were 189 cases of measles, no encephalitis and no death. In 2012 there were 54 cases of measles, no encephalitis, and no death. In 2011, there were 22 cases of measles, and you guessed it…no encephalitis, and no death. I could go on, but you get the point. By and large, measles is unpleasant, not deadly.

      In comparison, the same cannot be said for the MMR vaccine. As of March 1, 2012 there were 842 serious injuries following the MMR vaccine and 56 deaths. Since 1990 there have been more than 6,058 serious adverse events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). What’s even more sad is that only 1-10% of cases are actually reported on this database. Oh now I remember, statistics are only important as it relates to measles cases…not MMR adverse reactions. And of course, the global MMR death statistics aren’t important either.

      But measles can cause blindness…so can the MMR vaccine.

      But measles can cause encephalitis…so can the MMR vaccine

      But measles can cause pneumonia…so can the MMR vaccine.

      But if I don’t get vaccinated, I could get measles…If you do get vaccinated you can get measles, both from the vaccine, and later in life when immunity has disappeared. The CDC says that 5-10 percent of people vaccinated with MMR will develop a fever and rash. This means there are 650,000-1,300,000 cases of vaccine-induced measles in the U.S each year based off of the 13-14 million doses given to one-year-olds.

      Read more:

      Measles Shmeasles…(a great common sense read by a mother)

      VRM: Measles Report, (More outbreaks of measles in largely the vaccinated, not the un-vaccinated; and it is quite well referenced)

      Data Reveals Measles Outbreaks Have Nothing to Do With Non-Vaccination Trends

      Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model

      Acellular Pertussis Vaccine May Not Prevent Transmission

      Disease outbreaks are concentrated in highest-vaccinated population – Council on Foreign Relations

      Whooping cough vaccine may not halt spread of illness – NBC

      NY Measles Outbreak Blamed on Unvaccinated, Despite 90% of Infected Having Been Vaccinated

      91% Fully Vaccinated Involved in Pertussis Outbreak

      Video on the 2010 Outbreak in California. Notice how the media blame the Unvaccinated while 91% of the cases were Fully Vaccinated.

      Warning to Pregnant Mothers – Toxic Dose of Aluminum in the Tdap

      • James M. Barber

        What a complete asshole. Links to conspiracy theory websites don’t constitute proof. Its very obvious that you don’t have any biochemical training, and that most of your sources are just frightened people trying to make a case for some conspiracy or another.

        • Skeptical Raptor

          Lowell Hubbs is this blog’s personal troll. He has even put out a YouTube video about me and another contributor here. He’s fun to watch in action.

        • Spencer James Smith

          tell my why links to conspiracy theory websites dont constitute proof?

          • Thomas

            All conspiracy theory websites or just the ones you like? Are websites devoted to alien abductions credible? What about the 911 Architects and Engineers for Truth? Conspiracy theory websites have an agenda and have been shows to be unreliable sources. They also make claims with no peer reviewed studies to back them up and the credentials of the people who compile them are fuzzy at best.

          • Spencer James Smith

            Talking to you is a waste of time

          • Skeptical Raptor

            It’s a waste of time because someone demands actual unbiased, peer-reviewed evidence for your wild, nonsense claims. What a child you be.

        • Spencer James Smith

          except that the conspiracy websites get their articles from anti vax scientists.

          • James M. Barber

            Junk science, cherry picked results, selling alternative suppliments and or their book on a site hosting its own journal article. Yes, people do some really crappy things to make a buck off of idiots who are new to the internet.

    • MelodyRN

      These are great answers. Were they answered in a future post?

      • Skeptical Raptor

        I missed this comment from Dorit. :(

        Now I have to figure out the answers to her questions. Thanks for posting this Melody

      • Skeptical Raptor

        Done. :)

    • Skeptical Raptor

      1. The reason why new information isn’t added is because it requires a whole new review process internally and then with the FDA. Revisions to the Package Insert requires medical review, R&D review, legal review, regulatory review, and executive review even before it’s sent to the FDA. The FDA, of course, approved the drug with the research added in the original application. No one wants to make these changes unless there are material data found in post-marketing clinical trials. Then it’s against the law to not make the changes. So there are a number of barriers to even think about making a change.

      2. New inserts probably take a year to update internally. Depending on what is being requested, it can take up to a year for the FDA to approve it. However, if a drug company uncovers a serious issue, say that a particular vaccine is dangerous with someone with red hair and freckles, then a black box warning is required, and the FDA will approve the change within days, even hours.

      3. If I’m reading it right the risk is estimated statistically based on observations during the clinical trial. However, 1 in a million, from a statistical point of view, approaches “this is random.” There is simply no way to detect a 1 in a million effect with 3000 or so patients. I don’t think there’s a way to detect a 1 in a million effect with 1 or 10 million patients. I think, if my statistics are right, you need 100 million patients to see a statistically significant 1 in a million risk. So, if I recall correctly, when a PI includes “1 in a million” it almost means that “we’ve seen it, we’re not sure it’s related to MMR, but if it were, the risk is so small as to be nearly immeasurable.”

      Again, that’s why it’s incredibly amateurish to take package insert data to heart as some sort of “truth.” In fact, much of the language is boilerplate, there’s a lot of “covering your ass” aspects to it for both Big Pharma and the FDA, and it doesn’t represent peer-reviewed science. It represents regulations that require certain information to be added.

      • Spencer James Smith

        those arent the actual numbers

    • Spencer James Smith

      no they arent. because too many times the doctors and nurses will say it has nothing to do with the vaccine. even if it happened right after the vaccine. so no, there is no way 98% of the serious reactions are reported.

      • James M. Barber

        too many times… do you have any evidence or is it a conspiracy?