vaccine package inserts

Argument by Vaccine Package Inserts – debunking myths

One of the cherished strategies of the antivaccine group is to quote vaccine package inserts (called a Patient Information Leaflet in EU countries and Instructions for Use in other cases) to “prove” that vaccines are dangerous.

Vaccine deniers consider the package insert to be golden tablets of the Truth™. It’s ironic that these antivaccine groupies rail against Big Pharma, as if they are demon reptilians, but the package insert, written by Big Pharma, is considered gospel. Irony abounds.

Just spend more than a couple of minutes in discussion in any vaccine “debate,” and you’ll eventually get someone pointing to a section in any of the many vaccine package inserts (PI) as “proof” that it is dangerous, contains dangerous stuff, or is just plain scary. Or that it doesn’t work.

Orac has recently proclaimed it “Argument by Package Insert”–it’s almost at the level of logical fallacy. (David Gorski has just given it the Latin name, argumentum ad package insert, so it’s now officially a logical fallacy.)

Before we start, vaccine package inserts are important documents, but only if the information included therein is properly understood. It is not a document that serves as medical and scientific gospel. But it is a document that can help clinicians use vaccines (or frankly, any medication) properly.

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What is a Package Insert?

 

All of you have probably seen a package insert–it’s a multiple page document that is included with all real medications (as opposed to unregulated alternative medicine), whether prescription or over-the-counter (OTC). Depending on the type of drug, the PI can be 30-40 pages long, although most are printed on one huge sheet of very thin paper, so that it can be folded tightly and placed in each box that over-packages the drugs container (vial, bottle, etc).

Although some people believe it’s written in small fonts on thin paper to make it difficult to read and use, it’s actually done so to save on shipping costs. Yes, if you had to fold up a large font-size package insert and place it in each box that contains a vial or bottle of medication, the shipping weight and volume would make the cost astronomical. And that cost would pass down to consumers.

In general, package inserts are part of what is called the “labeling” of the drug, which means all the verbiage that pharmaceutical company may say about the drug. It is not just the printing on the vial or box, labelling encompasses almost everything said about the drug, including advertising, PI’s, and yes, the box and printing on vial.

You will hear FDA regulators and individuals in pharmaceutical companies refer to “labeling” all of the time. Labeling is strictly regulated, because it establishes the claims made about the drug or device, how it is to be used, and other pertinent information. Even what sales reps say to physicians in a sales call is covered by the drug’s labeling.

In the USA, the Food and Drug Administration has established very strict rules in the Code of Federal Regulations (CFR) on what can be and cannot be stated in the package insert. There is very little variance in format or quality of information from one PI to another one even for very different classes of drugs. Amusingly, the regulations even state the type and size of font used in the PI.

Writing vaccine package inserts

 

Before we discuss what is actually contained in the vaccine package inserts, it’s important to understand how it is written by the pharmaceutical company’s medical staff, and subsequently reviewed (and hopefully cleared) by the FDA. During the Phase I, II and II clinical trials for a new drug, scientific information is collected about the drug–everything from the pharmacology to shelf life to results of the trials.

The Medical or Regulatory Departments (both or individually) of the pharmaceutical company then writes the PI, using the boilerplate language established by the FDA (or other regulatory agencies such as those from Japan or Europe). Note that there is a lot of consistency between all worldwide pharmaceutical regulatory agencies for what is in the PI, so that it is similar across the world. You are not going to find better information in a European PI, though you’ll get to see the Latvian translation of the PI if that thrills you.

In today’s world, part of the purpose of a PI is to protect the pharmaceutical company from legal issues. If the PI says “do not prescribe this drug to someone who abuses alcohol”, and a physician prescribes it to that type of patient, then the company has some protection from a legal action from the patient or physician. The PI is supposed to give a physician or other prescribing healthcare worker the framework to use the medication properly on a patient.

After the Medical and/or Regulatory departments complete the initial draft of the PI, it is usually passed through different departments of the company for further review, correction and approval. For example, the manufacturing department may not agree with a statement about how the drug or device is manufactured, and it is corrected. Spelling errors are commonly found.

Depending on the company up to 10-12 departments may review a single PI, and it could take a few weeks before this process is completed to everyone’s satisfaction. And the approval is not a passive one–an internal document package with the PI, supporting data,  and other information requires a signature from the reviewer before it is passed along.

This signature represents a legal statement that the reviewer agrees with what is written. If a reviewer just signs it without actual review, a future FDA audit or legal issue could place the blame on all reviewers whether they took the time to read it or not.

The draft PI is then included with the New Drug Application (NDA) which is the system in the United States through which drug company formally propose to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) that the agency reviews and clears a new pharmaceutical for marketing in the USA. The FDA reviews the whole application, including all labeling (in the parlance of drug regulation, everything written about the drug, from advertising to the PI to vial labels, are considered “labeling”), data, clinical trials, manufacturing, etc. before determining if it will be approved.

The FDA often requests changes to all labeling depending if they agree or disagree on statements. Many times a pharmaceutical company will attempt to add indications, that is the valid reason to use a medication, but the FDA will reject it until more data is accumulated.

PI’s are not static documents. Pharmaceutical companies may add more information, warnings, indications (or contraindications, meaning uses that may harm the patient if used in particular situations), and other information that can be supported by evidence from scientific investigations. Of course, the pharmaceutical company must resubmit its labeling (including the PI itself) to the FDA for approval of the changes.

Contrary to popular belief (including from an amazing number of physicians), a pharmaceutical company cannot change an indication unless it has a new approval from the FDA. Even making a change that allows a medication to be used on children (a pediatric indication) can take years of clinical trials and regulatory review before a change can be made.

The FDA spends a lot of time reviewing pharmaceutical labeling, because it has the most direct impact on patients’ health–although not a critical issue with vaccines, contraindications and drug interactions are very important to pharmacists and physicians for many drugs.

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Interpreting vaccine package inserts

 

Again, the FDA (and other regulatory agencies) have established regulations on what must be written in the PI. The package insert is necessarily complex and wordy, because it needs to cover a lot of information.

To save weight in shipping, and to make it small enough to attach to every individual unit of a product (like a vial, bottle or box), the PI is often printed in tiny fonts on very thin paper. A lot of time is taken by pharmaceutical companies to lay out the document to fit properly.

The following list is long, because PI formats are necessarily complex. By regulatory code (in the USA, as required by the FDA), every pharmaceutical package insert (there are different regulations for devices and equipment) must include the following:

  • Highlights–summarizes the most important information about benefits and risks.
  • Table of contents–because there’s a lot of information there.
  • Boxed Warning (pdf, page 11)–this is usually a large black box in bold print that describes a serious warning about the drug. For example, a drug that might kill someone if used incorrectly in specific situations. Black box warnings are reserved for serious adverse reactions that are tied to specific uses of a medication. Physicians and other prescribers need to know this one thing before all else prior to prescribing a medication. Sometimes a medication is perfectly safe, but may cause serious allergic reactions in some people. As far as I was able to determine, there are no Boxed Warnings on any vaccine ever. Why? Because there is simply no evidence that there is any dangerous and deadly reaction to vaccines.
  • Date of US approval.
  • Description–this section describes the drug in detail including all of its ingredients.
  • Clinical pharmacology–this section describes how the medicine works in the body, how it is absorbed and eliminated, and what its effects are likely to be at various concentrations, critical dose-response relationships (that is, does more of the drug have more of an effect, a fundamental piece of information about how the drug works). This section may also contain results of various clinical trials (studies), explanations of the medication’s effect on various populations, such as children and pregnant women, and other scientific information.
  • Indications and usage–this section describes the uses and indications for which the drug has been cleared by the FDA. Important note–physicians are legally allowed to prescribe medicines for purposes not listed in this section (so-called “off-label usage“), as long as that use is not specifically contraindicated (see below). However, the pharmaceutical company’s labeling may not discuss this off-label use, even if there is compelling scientific evidence supporting this use, until the FDA approves it. Recently, there have been major fines levied by the US Department of Justice against pharmaceutical companies that push off-label use through subtle advertising or sales rep conversations.
  • Contraindications–this section probably contains the most important information within all of the verbiage of a package insert. It lists situations in which medication should not be used, for example in patients with certain medical conditions, in children, or other situations.  A good example of contraindications for vaccines is that most flu vaccines are contraindicated for patients with egg-protein allergies. For a physician, this section is as important as the Boxed Warning section.
  • Warnings and precautions–this covers possible serious side effects that may occur with use of the drugs. If the warnings are particularly serious (risk of death, for example), they may be placed in the Boxed Warning section. This section also explains how to use the medication safely, for example stating that “Do not drink alcohol while taking this medication” or other common precautions. It also describes any laboratory tests that may be necessary prior to using the drug. Serious side effects with known, evidence-based causal associations are listed in this section. This section is much more important with powerful therapeutic drugs that often have critical side effects.
  • Nonclinical toxicology–this section describes the potential of carcinogenesis (causing cancer), mutagenesis (causing mutation) or impairment of fertility from the drug. This section has little applicability to vaccines, since they have no carcinogenic, mutagenic, or fertility effect, given that the level of the vaccine’s ingredients’ dosage fall far below the lower threshold of the any dose-response test of these issues. The PI may state some innocuous verbiage such as “no known information” meaning that in the 10-15 years of research and study, no evidence that the vaccine is carcinogenic or mutagenic.
  • Use in specific populations–this describes if and how the drug may be used in the following populations of patients: pregnancy, labor and delivery, nursing mothers, pediatrics or geriatrics.
  • Adverse reactions–this sections lists all side effects observed in all studies of the drug (including post-marketing studies), whether or not it has been scientifically established there correlation between the drug and the side effect. Almost all of these side effects are coincidental observations and are rarely of much concern. This section is the favorite of the vaccine denier, because they do not appreciate the utter lack of statistical evidence of correlation between these reactions and the vaccine. These are simply observations, not correlated with vaccines and certainly not established causality.
  • Drug interactions–essentially, this section describes any interaction this drug may have with other drugs. Not relevant to vaccines.
  • Drug abuse and dependence–this section provides information regarding whether prolonged use of the medication can cause physical dependence. Since vaccine addiction is ridiculous, it’s not very crucial information for vaccines.
  • Overdosage–this section, critically important in lifesaving situations, gives the results of an overdose and provides recommended action in such cases. Not very crucial to vaccines.
  • Dosage and administration–this part provides the recommended dosages with detail for different ages, medical conditions, and size of patients. Very important for vaccines.
  • Dosage forms and strengths–this section lists out the various dosages and strengths of the drug.
  • How supplied–this explains in detail the physical characteristics of the medication including color, shape, markings, etc., and storage information (usually with a range of temperatures). This is important information, especially for vaccines, that’s sometimes ignored. Lots of medications, vaccines included, lose potency if they are overheated or frozen.
  • Patient counseling information–this details information useful for patients including who to contact in an emergency and how to report adverse reactions to the company or to the FDA.
  • Clinical studies–this covers the clinical trials that were performed prior to approval. It does not include anything more current, and some PI’s can be over 10 years old, lacking citations for more recent clinical trials. Most published clinical trials were not done for FDA approval, so aren’t included in any PI’s. I used to consider this a defect of the PI, but with easy access to post-marketing clinical trials through PubMed and other sources, it’s not too relevant.
  • References–this includes all of the citations for clinical trials, pharmacology, and other information related to the drug. Again, it is only as current as the date of the package insert (which is listed at the bottom), so it can be way out of date.

Note: Europe, Japan, and other countries use slight variations on the FDA requirements, but, in general, they’re pretty much the same.

So, that’s a lot of information, but is any of it useful? How does one interpret the information in the PI? Especially for vaccines, which are not truly a therapeutic drug (it doesn’t cure a disease state, but prevents it), and which has ingredients in levels that are below the level of detection in a dose response study.

Learning from vaccine package inserts

 

The information in a package insert can be used in a manner to help treat a patient. Vaccine deniers idolize vaccine PI’s as some biblical statement about the dangers of vaccines. Once again, it’s easy to cherry pick information out of a PI if one does not or refuses to fully comprehend how the information in the PI is included.

To a real evidence-based (or science-based) physician, the only useful information in PI for vaccines are (in no particular order of importance):

  • Clinical pharmacology. Knowing this information helps the scientific minded (not a skill set well known in the antivaccine cult) how the drugs work. By understanding this section, you begin to comprehend how a drug may treat a disease, but also how it probably isn’t related to a mythical adverse event. For example, knowing how immunizations work, you will realize that intramuscular injections are a perfectly scientific method of inducing an immune response, that there is no logical reason to believe an injection would cause a neurological disorder, and other silly myths. But pharmacology is very hard to understand, so most people ignore it. Pharmacology is probably one of the most complex of the biomedical sciences.
  • Contraindications. There are very few contraindications in vaccines. But the ones that do exist are quite serious. For example, the aforementioned sensitivity to egg proteins in flu vaccines. Or yeast sensitivity for Gardasil. Physicians are very aware of these issues, as are most places, like pharmacies, that do vaccinations.
  • Warnings. These are adverse events that have evidence supporting their causal association with the drug or vaccine. As opposed to the adverse reactions section, which tends to be abused by vaccine deniers, this section is where solid, repeatable scientific data is located. The FDA, by regulation, can mandate a change in the PI to include new warnings as evidence arises. Not a single PI for vaccines mentions autism as a “warning.” Not one.

The most misinterpreted misused section of all vaccine package inserts is “Adverse Reactions.” The FDA states that the section should include events “for which there is some basis to believe there is a causal relationship between the drug and the occurrence of the adverse event.” The key word is “believe”, instead of based on evidence.

And frankly, any reaction supported by serious and robust evidence would be in the Warnings section, so the Adverse Reactions section is a laundry list of observed events that probably have nothing to do with the drug (or vaccine) but remain there so that the pharmaceutical company is covered in case of a lawsuit. Yes, pharmaceutical companies are constantly frightened of litigation, and the package insert is often the first line of defense against those frequent lawsuits. But we digress.

Misinterpreting vaccine package inserts

 

There’s a meme or trope or vicious lie going around that the manufacturers of DTaP (the vaccine whooping coughtetanus and diphtheria, have “recently” disclosed in their package insert that autism is an adverse event from the caused by the vaccine.

Here’s a screenshot of the current PI for DTaP, with a helpful arrow provided by an anti-vaccination group, so you can’t miss it:

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Snopes recently demolished this bogus claim, but I think it would be helpful to look at it here.

First of all, this observation (key word, hang on to it for a little bit) of autism was suddenly discovered last week. The package insert for DTaP (pdf) is dated December 2005. Pharmaceutical manufactures cannot, by regulation, update a single word on a PI until the FDA approves it. At which time, the date of the PI is then changed. In other words, this is old news.

But that’s just a technical point, I think the most important question is whether DTaP is linked to autism. The affirmative evidence is no, there is no link.

The FDA provides guidance on what should be mentioned in package inserts and labeling regarding adverse events (pdf):

 

The ADVERSE REACTIONS section must list adverse reactions identified from domestic and foreign spontaneous reports. This listing must be separate from the listing of adverse reactions identified in clinical trials and must also be preceded by information necessary to interpret the adverse reactions.

To help practitioners interpret the significance of data obtained from postmarketing spontaneous reports, the following statement, or an appropriate modification, should precede these data: Contains Nonbinding Recommendations

8 The following adverse reactions have been identified during postapproval use of drug X. Because these reactions are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequency or establish a causal relationship to drug exposure (emphasis mine).

As I wrote above, these “adverse reactions” are almost just a laundry list of observations, without any evidence of a causal relationship. This is the most frustrating thing about science deniers – they overstate the power of observations, especially personal ones.

Moreover, the screenshot above from the anti-vaccination league of pseudoscientists engages in one of the most egregious forms of cherry picking that I have seen in a long while.

The actual package insert actually states that there is no evidence of a causal relationship. But the anti-vaccine crowd conveniently ignores that.

Moreover, as Professor Dorit Rubinstein Reiss points out in the Snopes article, one of the claims “highlighted Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) alongside autism as reported adverse effects, directly beneath the referenced passage was information that the rate of SIDS was lower among vaccinated infants than among unvaccinated ones.” Of course, none of us will claim a lower risk of SIDS as a result of getting DTaP, because that’s not been shown by real epidemiological studies.

Cherry picking one line out of a package insert, which is not a scientific document (compared to a clinical trial), shows no one any evidence of anything.

Simple math for vaccine deniers

 

The Adverse Reactions section, taken by itself, is the pseudoscientific way of reviewing the data. Here’s what is important:

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The chance of death from these vaccine preventable diseases is 1000X higher than the possibility of known adverse events that are caused by vaccines. And these adverse events do not cause death (despite the myths of the antivaccine crowd).

This is real science, where the benefit, saving lives, vastly outweighs any risks, even the nonsense “laundry list” risks that may not have anything to do with the vaccine. If you fall for the Nirvana Fallacy, that is if it’s not perfect, then it’s worthless, then sure, vaccines aren’t perfect so they must be useless.

A fellow skeptic, and thorn in the side of vaccine deniers everywhere, wrote a hysterically funny article about a mythical airline package insert. The adverse events are, of course, death, massive body damage, and more death. But the risk of dying on a flight across the country is 10,000X lower than driving across the country.

So if you focus on the adverse events, without understanding the frequency of the risk (let alone the causality), it is absolutely useless. Context matters. Take a single data point out of the context of all other information, and you could “prove” anything. But being a real critical thinker, and using that information along with all other available data, especially data of a higher quality, then you might reach a rational decision.

Summary, the TL;DR version

 

But the fact is that vaccines save lives, and until such time the vaccine deniers can actually spend the time in getting their Ph.D. or MD, then do research in a world-class laboratory and then publish data that shows either the adverse events are all real and are much higher than stated in the PI, and shows that vaccines have no benefit, the antivaccine cult just has no basis for their claims. They are misinforming and misusing information to support their beliefs, rather than using real science and determine whether all of the evidence supports or nullifies their hypothesis.

Getting real evidence takes real hard work. It takes education, time, sweat, sleeping in labs, sitting at a computer, writing documents, getting yelled at by superiors and peers. It’s hitting dead ends, then finding a way around that dead end. One cannot just pull a package insert out of a box and say “here, I win.” If only it were that easy.

Package inserts have excellent and useful information, important for physicians and other healthcare workers in treating patients. However, package inserts must be read fully, without cherry picking data that supports your point of view.

Taking information out of context, or cherry picking one or two lines, without spending the effort to understand it completely, just shows the level of denialism. The anti-vaccinationists are focused on finding any data, no matter the quality, that supports what they want to believe.

But if you are truly on the fence about vaccinations, then the adverse events information in a package insert is not the place to start. There is so much information out there, but if you have an open, critical mind, you will find that the scientific consensus strongly supports the safety and effectiveness of vaccines.

One young woman did just that, despite initially being antivaccine. Her open mind lead her to eventually vaccinate her two children. Good for her.

Vaccines save lives, and we have evidence that supports it. And package inserts do not dispute those facts.

Editor’s note: This article was originally published in April 2013. It has been completely revised and updated to include more comprehensive information, to improve readability and to add current research.

 

The Original Skeptical Raptor
Chief Executive Officer at SkepticalRaptor
Lifetime lover of science, especially biomedical research. Spent years in academics, business development, research, and traveling the world shilling for Big Pharma. I love sports, mostly college basketball and football, hockey, and baseball. I enjoy great food and intelligent conversation. And a delicious morning coffee!
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  • EJ

    About this site:

    “All visitor information is randomized, so no one would be able to tie any activity on this website with any specific IP address. If a law enforcement agency requested my records, they would be incapable of tying any IP address with any activity on this website.”

    Because all those people with vested interests on here battling away to defend their dirty deeds wouldn’t want to be identified…

    • Justthefacts

      Is EJ your full name? Are you providing full disclosure Mr. Hypocrite?

      • EJ

        Ooh, like you do yourself you mean, “Justthefacts”!

        • Justthefacts

          You are being the hypocrite, not me. I am making no claims about other posters.

          • EJ

            You seem to have me confused with RobertAllen1.

            Please do quote what claims I have made about other posters.

  • EJ

    What a bizarre article. They don’t quote them as “proof” of the injuries necessarily but evidence of the fact that pharmaceutical companies are already aware of the illnesses these vaccinations cause. It’s ironic that they deny there are links between the vaccinations and the injuries but then they list them in their own inserts. What’s so hard to understand about that?

    “which means all the verbiage that pharmaceutical company may say about the drug.” Strange comment. If they “may” say that their vaccine causes such an injury…your point is?

    Really weird blog post. You talk about font sizes and paper weighting, what the heck. The fact that something is stated means it has been happening, in however small a number. They would not state it otherwise, why would they leave themselves open to law suits unnecessarily? By stating that it causes autism or seizures or whatever, if someone’s child got any of those things after vaccination they could use that as evidence of awareness of the danger of the vaccine. Oh yes, I almost forgot, they can’t be sued can they…how convenient.

    • Justthefacts

      You didn’t read the article, did Ya? You didn’t read the featured comment either. Those inserts also list motor vehicle accidents and accidental drowning. You also don’t read the part of the insert that says that it lists EVERYTHING that happened during testing whether it was related to the vaccine OR NOT because that listing just required by law and is intended to be interpreted by professionals. You are clearly not a professional.

      • EJ is kind of a nut job.

        • RobertAllen1

          EJ believes that although he lacks anything approaching medical qualifications, he is competent to assess what he reads. This coupled with his dishonesty makes him particularly dangerous.

          • EJ

            Ooh really? Can I join in this conversation? Lemme, lemme, lemme!

            Oh that EJ is a right one I agree. I mean pfft, thinking outside of a very cramped box, not automatically believing what one is told by those in power, not agreeing blindly with stuff because it says so on the tin and men in white coats assure one it is A-OK. Should be locked away, I mean really.

            N-o-w, back to reality. Isn’t it amazing what you can tell just by what someone hasn’t said, I mean you must be psychic RA me old chum, to have worked all that out. Do quote where I have been dishonest. This seems to be a habit of yours when challenged not to respond. I’m agog (but I won’t hold my breath).

          • RobertAllen1

            So thinking “outside the box” (whatever that means) rationalizes your lack of medical qualifications. You’re fooling no one, m*rf*r.

          • EJ

            Just as I thought, no responding to questions, just more name-calling. (Smacks head in amusement.)

      • EJ

        ‘Fraid you’re very wrong there. So what if it lists vehicle accidents and drowning? Do you know nothing? Why do you think for instance, that Night Nurse should not be taken if you are operating machinery or driving? Y-e-s, that’s right, because substances ingested can affect reactions and cause reactions. So if you have a vaccination and have a reaction (read vaccine injury, even if for a short duration) it could cause someone to drown or crash their car. So they have to list all reactions, whether minor or major. And sometimes those major ones are death. If you escape death, there can be serious injury. If you don’t believe vaccine injury exists please do explain compensation payouts for those injured. Please explain why vaccine inserts exist at all. Your logic is so seriously lacking as to be laughable. As for “is intended to be interpreted by professionals” that wins the award for the most inane comment of the year. You are one of those who live in a world of believing all the structures of society that exist are to be lauded and applauded and obeyed at all costs. You forgot to remember that those structures are run by very flawed humans, who with the reins of power and money are quite liable to misbehave. Take off your rose-coloured spectacles purlease!

        • Justthefacts

          You really can’t read, can you? you just make things up out of the blue. You are a true idiot. If you read the insert, It says:

          ” Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine.”

          You don’t have to make thinks up. You can just read the insert and it will tell you that there is no causal relationship and EVERYTHING that happened during testing is reported whether it was related to the vaccine OR NOT because that listing just required by law and is intended to be interpreted by professionals

          You are the perfect example of why reading inserts should be left to professional.

          • RobertAllen1

            Absolutely. Without medical qualifications, EJ is incompetent to assess any medical material.

          • EJ

            Yawn. The assumptions are beyond boring. Or should I be in awe of your psychic abilities…

          • EJ

            What did I make up pray tell?

            Google is your friend, go and do some learning.

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  • Juniper_Sprinkles

    you’re not convincing anybody, sorry.

    • kellymbray

      The low information antivaxer is not his target audience.

      • Yeah, some people don’t get that. Of course, it takes a high information person to actually get what I write. 🙂

        • EJ

          Not too high though eh…

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  • Hoter

    So what exactly is the point of this article. On the package insert of Flulaval, a current flu vaccine, it clearly says words to the effect “there are no robust trials to demonstrate that vaccination with Flulaval will prevent influenza disease”!

    Are you seriously saying that because someone called Orac has decreed that you can’t use the package insert to point out a drug is useless, anyone who does has no point?

  • Jay Thomas

    Personally, I’d feel much happier knowing that medical doctors were being paid to research how to make a sick person, regardless of the condition, healthy rather than spending a lot of time researching preventative measures for something that in all likelihood isn’t going to ever affect me. “Here, take this just in case” seems like a ridiculous premise for injecting poison into myself or my child for a phantom benefit. Can someone point me to a definitive study done by a drug company scientist or otherwise that shows that an unvaccinated child is less healthy than a vaccinated child? If measles were eradicated from the U.S., how is someone not getting vaccinated for measles the sudden cause of its re-emergence? Eradicated means bye bye, no? I know the reason for the measles re-emergence, and it’s not because of U.S. parents not wanting to vaccinate their children for it, but that’s a completely different topic.

    • RobertAllen1

      An ounce of prevention, moron.

      And before you provide the reason for the re-emergency of measles which I’m sure you’ll do in your next post, how about a rundown of your medical qualifications, including, education, experience, fields of specialty and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals?

      • EJ

        Most defensive to start name-calling someone who posted perfectly politely and logically. But then not unexpected.

        • RobertAllen1

          F*k politeness and logic. What are your medical qualifications?

          • EJ

            What a typical derailing from the point reaction. Medical qualifications are just that, medical qualifications. They neither make someone 100% right (not even necessarily on a balance of probabilities) nor honest, nor experienced/qualified in the wide variety of medical disciplines, nor experienced/qualified in other sciences. Utter drivel.

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to compare the accomplishments of mainstream, peer-reviewed medicine to whatever it is you espouse. Your inferiority complex (i.e., lack of medical qualifications) is showing, m*rf*r. You don’t know more than your intellectual betters, i.e., those who have them, m*rf*r. Utter drivel, m*rf*r.

          • EJ

            In your dreams. You have no idea whether I have medical qualifications or not, only that I have pointed out that having them means nothing when it comes to truth, honesty or decency. I have all those qualities in abundance irrespective of any qualifications I may or may not possess. I’m not in the habit of comparing sizes however, unlike yourself…it’s clear who really has the inferiority complex. Me? I’m perfectly confident and have nothing to prove. Hey look – I don’t even have to resort to foul mouthed rants either.

          • RobertAllen1

            And mischaracterizing the Jamanet report by leaving out a key paragraph constitutes your version of truth and honesty.

            Speaking of truth and honesty, before you go denigrating your intellectual betters, i.e., those with the medical qualifications ,not to mention the truth and honesty you lack, once again, care to compare the accomplishments of mainstream, peer-reviewed medicine to whatever it is you espouse and please let me know which type of medical facility you’d like me to instruct the ambulance to take you to should I find you writhing on the street.

          • EJ

            Let’s see what paragons of virtue people with medical qualifications are now:

            Doctors honesty: http://money.cnn.com/2015/06/19/pf/medicare-fraud-doctors/
            Doctors mental ill-health (whilst practising): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1704352/ (don’t forget Harold Shipman either)
            Doctors addictions: http://www.physicianhealthprogram.com/why-doctors-get-addicted/
            Iatrogenic Abuse: http://www.parents-protecting-children.org.uk/documents/Iatrogenic%20Child%20Abuse%2010%2010%2000.pdf
            Doctors incompetence: https://www.facebook.com/gomedgrid/posts/1567783623496249
            Doctors covering-up: http://patients.about.com/b/2009/05/17/mistakes-and-cover-ups-doctors-protecting-other-doctors.htm

            (oh and don’t bother slating the links/sources because for the sake of speed I just zapped them in, the whole point being, that there is evidence for all those things and you can do more research if you want)

            There now, wouldn’t you just trust someone with medical qualifications in a heartbeat – pun intended. I mean, it’s not as if doctors are human and prone to err is it. It’s not as if backhanders and incentives (that’s another one you can research as to how it affects their healthcare provision) could possibly get in the way of them doing the right thing and adhering to the Hippocratic Oath is it.

            First do no harm. Trouble is, they lost that somewhere along the line. With a fair whack of help from big pharma of course.

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, fewer that 1% of mainstream, peer-reviewed medical papers published and once again, without medical qualifications, you are incompetent to assess the material you read. And by the way, Facebook and Parents are hardly mainstream, peer-reviewed scientific websites. And by the way, doctors are no longer required to take the Hippocratic Oath and by the way the Hippocratic Oath varies. You are one ignorant, dangerous, dishonest m*rf*r with an acute case of Dunning-Kruger.

            I would love nothing more than to see you writhing in pain on the street so that I could ask you in front of a crowd of onlookers whether you would like me to call an ambulance to take you to a mainstream medical hospital or an alternative care facility. Put your money where your mouth is, dishonest m*rf*r.

          • Laugh my fucking ass off.

            Facebook is your source. Damn, that’s below Wikipedia.

            What a fucking moron.

          • EJ

            Pleased you are so amused. Clearly you are barely literate too, which figures – I won’t bother elucidating because it’s clearly above your head. Typical antics of those in the wrong, default to name-calling like little boys with no brain between their ears.

          • EJ

            Ooh, “peer reviewed journals” yes, because of course they are also bastions of honesty (not): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3700330/

            What a crock you spew.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Oh shyte! I’m in trouble now, didn’t even notice that it was RA… UGH!!! Really not in the mood for his shyte right now 🙁 I lost a friend in the SB mass shooting and am so dang down it is ridiculous! He won’t give a fig about that though…

          • RobertAllen1

            Representing fewer than 1% of mainstream, peer-reviewed papers published. Now, what do you have to offer, a*sh*le?

          • EJ

            Your maths is as appalling as your language. Go to the bottom of the class.

        • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

          It is what RobertAllen1 does… He calls names, insults people and insists that they prove medical profession background and yet he can tell everyone to vaccinate and give medical advice… He is a top notch hypocrite!!!

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, dishonest c*t, I’m not the one going against mainstream medicine. You and EJ are and as neither of you has any medical qualifications, your claims are sheer quackery and both of you are dangerous.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            Iskitinia alia nakne… Why must you behave so immaturely? Do you not know how to behave like an adult? Did you not get enough attention growing up??? I mean seriously!!! Now, please SHOW me ANYTHING that shows that I am “going against mainstream medicine” Give me a SINGLE quote of ANYTHING I have said that goes “against mainstream medicine”….. Come on, WHAT are MY “claims”… Either PUT UP or SHUT UP!!!

          • RobertAllen1

            Quite a number of posters have already covered this and I’m not going to go over familiar ground, you lying c*t.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            So basically you CANNOT come up with a QUOTE from ANY of MY posts showing that I am “going against mainstream medicine”….. That is what I figured…

            And again you show you are nothing more than an immature iskitini alia nakne with your foul language… Nice job of proving YOURSELF to be an asinine ignoramus!!!

          • RobertAllen1

            I’ve already done so and so have a number of others, you filthy, lying, f*g c*t.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            COWARDLY LIAR!!! Keep insisting 🙂 You just look more and more ignorant!!!
            There we go with the behavior of a iskitini alia nakne 🙁 How sad you cannot act like a mature adult… Such language just serves to make you look more and more asinine…

            Come on, I am still waiting for the QUOTES….. If you cannot come up with them then you are simply PROVING yourself even MORE of a LIAR!!!

          • EJ

            Malakas-kathiki-ilithios also springs to mind… 😉

          • Evidence provided asshole. STFU.

        • And fake civility from those who lack any intellect, like you, is amusing.

          • EJ

            Nothing fake about it. I just have more class than the average closed-minded, lower echelons creatures spouting on here that’s all.

          • RobertAllen1

            So your idea of class is making judgments on subjects you know nothing about, eh, asshole?

          • EJ

            My idea of class, is to behave decently, unlike yours. What an uncouth lout.

      • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

        You give medical advice to TAKE the vaccines, can we see your “medical qualifications, including, education, experience, fields of specialty and contributions to mainstream peer-reviewed medical journals”??? Just curious to see if you walk the walk you are insisting others must…

        • RobertAllen1

          Hey, c*t, I’m not the one going against mainstream medicine.

          • WYNEMA GONZAGOWSKI

            There is that immature and nasty mouth again… Can you manage to get through as couple of postings without cursing??? I didn’t go against mainstream medicine either since my children were CONTRAINDICATED by a PHYSICIAN!!! ALL I ever do is state that people need to know all the facts before making a decision, I NEVER tell them what to do UNLIKE YOU!!! Now since you ARE giving medical advice to people by telling them to vaccinate their children AGAIN….. WHERE are your “medical qualifications, including, education, experience, fields of
            specialty and contributions to mainstream peer-reviewed medical
            journals”??? It works both ways iskitini alia nakne!!!

          • Nasty mouths occur when sane people run out of patience with the lies, ignorance, and stupidity of morons like you. You haven’t stated one single truth.

            BTW, you keep saying “contraindicated.” I’m afraid it doesn’t mean what you think it means.

          • Wynema is offended by you. She reported every comment you made. LMAO.

          • EJ

            Clearly Wynema Gonzagowski thought that something like normal unbiased and open-minded moderation existed on this site, sure she has since realised otherwise.

          • RobertAllen1

            Let her report away.

        • By your logic we shouldn’t eat. You’re a moron.

        • EJ

          You will find that those in the know take a different tac Wynema:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YVPkCQxqz4 former Merck drug rep would not vaccinate his own son.

          Standard vaccines are apparently not good enough for Angela Merkel either: http://www.infowars.com/german-chancellor-ministers-get-special-vaccine-without-soft-kill-ingredients/

          That’s how safe these vaccinations are.

    • EJ

      “Can someone point me to a definitive study done by a drug company
      scientist or otherwise that shows that an unvaccinated child is less
      healthy than a vaccinated child?”

      No, but I can show you evidence that unvaccinated children are a lot healthier than vaccinated ones: http://vactruth.com/2014/02/26/unvaccinated-children-healthier/

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  • Mike7106

    Anyone who invokes a mandatory HPV vaccine policy for teens and preteens or enforces or has enforced by compliance a mandatory HPV vaccine policy for a teen or preteen should be subject to arrest ASAP.

    6. Yearly Pap tests

    The yearly Pap smear is a common part of women’s health checklists, but it doesn’t need to be. Women at average risk only need them every three years, since cervical cancer generally takes 10 to 20 years to develop. If women have also had negative tests for the human papillomavirus (HPV), which is now known to cause the cancer, they only need a Pap test along with the HPV test every five years. And women older than 65 who have had several normal Pap tests in a row can stop having them altogether. Do note, however, that a yearly visit to an ob-gyn stays on the to-do list.
    http://member.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2014/choosing-wisely-medical-tests-to-avoid.html?cmp=NLC-WBLTR-DSO-MCTRL-092515-TS1-827355&ET_CID=827355&ET_RID=608171&encparam=656R01sb7t4IailssAS+8gy7P/CmYEcm0wcKNsgFtKs=

    • Justthefacts

      Can you point out ONE confirmed victim of the HPV Vaccine? Just one?

      • Mike7106
        • Justthefacts

          You didn’t name anybody. That is a notice announcing a website for people who “claim” to have been injured. There are only two people identified on that website and neither are confirmed victims.
          .
          As of today, there has not been one confirmed victim of the HPV vaccine. That is just a HRSA data fact.

          • Mike7106

            http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/dec/31/us-court-pays-6-million-gardasil-victims/?page=all

            “The facts appear to contradict the FDA’s safety statements. The
            adverse reaction reports detail 26 new deaths reported between September 1, 2010 and September 15, 2011 as well as incidents of seizures, paralysis, blindness, pancreatitis, speech problems, short term memory loss and Guillain-Barré Syndrome. The documents come from the FDA’s Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) which is used by the FDA to monitor the safety of vaccines.
            That’s 26 reported deaths of young, previously healthy, girls after Gardasil vaccination in just one year.”

          • Justthefacts

            That’s all the “reports” from VAERS which is a self reporting database so nothing is confirmed. This is from the VAERS data page.:

            “A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.”

            There has not been one CONFIRMED case of significant HPV vaccine damage.

          • Mike7106

            “That is just a HRSA data fact.” is just a lie by omission.

          • Justthefacts

            That is a very rude way to ask for evidence.

            http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data.html

          • EJ

            Well if you want a name, here you go: http://www.drtomroselle.com

            /articles/breaking-news-girl-dies-hours-hpv-vaccination/ “12-year-old Meredith Prohaska died within hours an HPV vaccination on July 30, 2014”.

            Or maybe you would prefer this one: http://www.globalresearch.ca/hpv-vaccines-updates-from-central-and-south-america-first-reported-fatality-after-gardasil-in-colombia/5456220
            “On May 22, 2015 16-year old Karen Durán-Cantor died after complications related to new onset autoimmune disorders believed to have been triggered by two injections of Gardasil”

            http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/gardasil-hpv-vaccine-faces-safety-questions/story?id=8356717
            “Emily Tarsell, started her daughter Christina on Gardasil — a vaccine that protects against four of the most common cancer-causing strains of the human papilloma virus (HPV) — after her first visit to a gynecologist and at the doctor’s recommendation.

            Eighteen days after Christina received her final vaccine shot, she died.”

            http://vactruth.com/2014/10/05/bill-gates-vaccine-crimes/
            “The Economic Times India published their report August 2014.
            They stated that in 2009, tests had been carried out on 16,000 tribal school children in Andhra Pradesh, India, using the human papiloma virus (HPV) vaccine, Gardasil.

            According to the report written by KP Narayana Kumar, within a month of receiving the vaccine, many of the children fell ill and by 2010, five of them had died. A further two children were reported to have died in Vadodara, Gujarat, where an estimated 14,000 tribal children were vaccinated with another brand of the HPV vaccine, Cervarix, manufactured by GlaxoSmitheKline (GSK).”

            Then there are plenty of reports of up to hundreds of others dying after receiving Gardasil. Not only that, look up those who have had their health severely damaged even though they survived.

          • RobertAllen1

            Vac Truth is hardly a mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journal and neither are any of your other sources.

          • EJ

            Whether they are or not, is wholly besides the point, (FFS). Those are real people. Real people who died. Died from their vaccinations. Wake up.

          • RobertAllen1

            That doesn’t make Vac Truth a mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journal and hence its allegations, like yours, can be taken with a grain of salt.

          • EJ

            Oh and BTW http://jama.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=373073&resultclick=3 “The committee found that the evidence established causality between diphtheria and tetanus toxoids and anaphylaxis, between measles vaccine and death from measles vaccine—strain viral infection, between measlesmumps-rubella vaccine and thrombocytopenia and anaphylaxis, between oral polio vaccine and poliomyelitis and death from polio vaccine—strain viral infection, and between hepatitis B vaccine and anaphylaxis.”

          • RobertAllen1

            From the part of the report you failed to read:

            “For the vast majority of vaccine-adverse event relations studied, the data came predominantly from uncontrolled studies and case reports. MOST OF THE PATHOLOGIC CONDITIONS STUDIED ARE RARE IN THE GENERAL POPULATION. THE RISK OF DEVELOPING THESE CONDITIONS BECAUSE OF VACCINATION WOULD SEEM TO BE LOW. WITHOUT AGE-SPECIFIC INCIDENT RATES AND RELATIVE RISK ESTIMATES, HOWEVER, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO CALCULATE THE PROPORTION OF INDIVIDUALS WHOSE CONDITION IS CAUSALLY RELATED TO A VACCINE. When the data permitted, such calculations (i.e., the risk difference or excess risk) were made and can be found in the conclusions in Chapters 5 through 9. Because age-specific incidence rates were not available for many of the pathologic conditions studied and because controlled epidemiologic studies of these relations are lacking, few such estimates could be made.” [emphasis added]

            You filthy, f*g liar, cheat, fraud!!!!!

          • EJ

            Who said I failed to read it? Your problem is that you argue vaccines are safe and hunky dory, when clearly they are not and nothing you can say will ever make them so. You stick blindly to your precious ‘peer reviewed journals’ (already well debunked in other posts). You clearly have no idea of netiquette and are an angry little man bashing away at his keyboard in frustration. Like I said – go swear and curse yourself into oblivion. (waves fly swatter again…hopefully for the last time).

          • RobertAllen1

            You’ve lied plain and simple. Less than 1% of the millions who are vaccinated suffer from any deleterious effects. Your problem is that although you have no medical qualifications and hence are incompetent to assess what you read, you feel that you can pass judgment on those who do. So you f*k your etiquette and f*k your dishonest self as well.

          • Justthefacts

            You are way off. Only one in one million people are injured by a vaccine. That is another NRSA fact.

          • RobertAllen1

            That’s certainly less than 1%. Says a lot about the vaccines and even more about those ignoramuses who denigrate them.

          • EJ

            Oh yeah, ‘cos like I said to you 11 minutes ago below another one of your inane posts – oh, “peer reviewed journals” yes, because of course they are also bastions of honesty (not): http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3700330/

            Whether you like any of those sources, does not automatically make them incorrect or dishonest.

            Pfft. (waves fly swatter)

          • RobertAllen1

            And it’s mainstream scientists who do the debunking, not the garbage that you promote.

            And by the way what percentage of the over one million mainstream, peer-reviewed material has turned out to be fraudulent?

            Care to compare the accomplishments of mainstream, peer-reviewed medicine to whatever it is you’re promoting? The proof is in the pudding, m*rf*r.

            Now, how about a rundown of your medical qualifications, including education, experience and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals. Without them you are incompetent to assess what you read, much less go up against your intellectual betters, i.e., those who have them.

          • EJ

            Clearly you cherry-pick more than I thought and did not read the link:

            “Scientific fraud reappears with alarming consistency from paleontology
            to nanotechnology. Several studies have found that more than 40% of
            surveyed researchers were aware of misconduct but did not report it.
            Sheehan et al. reported in 2005 that 17% of surveyed authors of
            clinical drug trials reported that they personally knew of fabrication
            in research occurring over the previous 10 years.[1]
            Quality at sites is usually judged by audits and inspections. There has
            been as high as 23% (official action indicated) for cause inspections
            conducted by US Food and drug Administration (USFDA) over the last
            several years.[2]
            These kinds of results indicate that there exists a substantial
            problem. Fraud/misconduct can lead to study losing its entire
            credibility. Moreover, it can lead to ineffective or harmful treatment
            being available or patients being denied of effective treatment. This
            article discusses the difference between fraud and misconduct, the
            possible reasons for the occurrence of the same and explores options,
            which can possibly help prevent such instances.”

            Clearly you didn’t read the list of shocking failings as regards those with medical qualifications. Go back and have a read, it will fill you with confidence (or pride if you count yourself among them). Clearly you don’t understand that having medical qualifications counts for nothing otherwise you wouldn’t repeatedly bleat about them to everyone you disagree with.

            Carry on and swear yourself into oblivion, you are making a fool of yourself.

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to provide some figures or are you keyboarding from out of your a*s again?

            And once again, just who does the debunking, you dishonest p*k?

            Still no rundown of your medical qualifications, including education, experience and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals without which you are incompetent to assess what you read, much less go up against your intellectual betters, i.e., those who have them

          • Zin Li

            We have already provided page after page of fake peer reviews, to ask for more is a joke as well as every comment you have stated.
            Major publisher retracts 43 scientific papers amid wider fake peer-review scandal

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            By Fred Barbash March 27

            The BioMed Central Web site. (The Washington Post)
            A major publisher of scholarly medical and science articles has retracted 43 papers because of “fabricated” peer reviews amid signs of a broader fake peer review racket affecting many more publications.
            The publisher is BioMed Central, based in the United Kingdom, which puts out 277 peer-reviewed journals. A partial list of the retracted articles suggests most of them were written by scholars at universities in China. But Jigisha Patel, associate editorial director for research integrity at BioMed Central, said it’s not “a China problem. We get a lot of robust research of China. We see this as a broader problem of how scientists are judged.”
            Meanwhile, the Committee on Publication Ethics, a multidisciplinary group that includes more than 9,000 journal editors, issued a statement suggesting a much broader potential problem. The committee, it said, “has become aware of systematic, inappropriate attempts to manipulate the peer review processes of several journals across different publishers.” Those journals are now reviewing manuscripts to determine how many may need to be retracted, it said.
            Peer review is the vetting process designed to guarantee the integrity of scholarly articles by having experts read them and approve or disapprove them for publication. With researchers increasingly desperate for recognition, citations and professional advancement, the whole peer-review system has come under scrutiny in recent years for a host of flaws and irregularities, ranging from lackadaisical reviewing to cronyism to outright fraud.
            Last year, in one of the most publicized scandals, the Journal of Vibration and Control, in the field of acoustics, retracted 60 articles at one time due to what it called a “peer review and citation ring” in which the reviews, mostly from scholars in Taiwan, were submitted by people using fake names.
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/27/fabricated-peer-reviews-prompt-scientific-journal-to-retract-43-papers-systematic-scheme-may-affect-other-journals/

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, fewer than 1% of the peer-reviewed papers published. All the copying and pasting in the world won’t change that, you filthy, lying POS.

          • Zin Li

            Afraid not twinkle toes sodomite! It states there is a much deeper problem, liar!

          • RobertAllen1

            “Much deeper” is not a figure, m*rf*r. And you have no idea what sodomy is.

          • Zin Li

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            By Fred Barbash March 27

            The BioMed Central Web site. (The Washington Post)
            A major publisher of scholarly medical and science articles has retracted 43 papers because of “fabricated” peer reviews amid signs of a broader fake peer review racket affecting many more publications.
            The publisher is BioMed Central, based in the United Kingdom, which puts out 277 peer-reviewed journals. A partial list of the retracted articles suggests most of them were written by scholars at universities in China. But Jigisha Patel, associate editorial director for research integrity at BioMed Central, said it’s not “a China problem. We get a lot of robust research of China.(***** We see this as a broader problem of how scientists are judged.”****)
            Meanwhile, the Committee on Publication Ethics, a multidisciplinary group that includes more than 9,000 journal editors, issued a statement suggesting a much broader potential problem. The committee, it said, “has become aware of systematic, inappropriate attempts to manipulate the peer review processes of several journals across different publishers.” Those journals are now reviewing manuscripts to determine how many may need to be retracted, it said.
            Peer review is the vetting process designed to guarantee the integrity of scholarly articles by having experts read them and approve or disapprove them for publication. With researchers increasingly desperate for recognition, citations and professional advancement, the whole peer-review system has come under scrutiny in recent years for a host of flaws and irregularities, ranging from lackadaisical reviewing to cronyism to outright fraud.
            Last year, in one of the most publicized scandals, the Journal of Vibration and Control, in the field of acoustics, retracted 60 articles at one time due to what it called a “peer review and citation ring” in which the reviews, mostly from scholars in Taiwan, were submitted by people using fake names.
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/03/27/fabricated-peer-reviews-prompt-scientific-journal-to-retract-43-papers-systematic-scheme-may-affect-other-journals/

          • red nig

            Scams R us evo strikes again 🙂

          • Justthefacts

            First link – You left out “The initial autopsy report was “inconclusive” and further tests are being done.” That is not a confirmed injury.
            .
            Second link – That death is not confirmed in columbia or byt eh WHO. You own words are “believed to have been triggered”: – That is not a confirmed injury.
            .
            Third link – You links only has the opinion of the parents. That is far from confirmed and it is should as not confirmed in the VAERS database.
            .
            Fourth link in from Vactruth whihc is the bigegst liars in the anti-vaxx movement. Nothing they post is confirmed or even the truth. It is a list of reports, not confirmations or evena doescription of the conditions. Vactruth.com has publically made the claim that vaccines may cause homosexuality.
            .
            A writer for Vactruth posted on January 16th, 2104 that a “”Father Jailed For Life Without Parole After His 12 Week-Old Daughter Died After Receiving 8 Vaccinations!” blaming the vaccinations for the death. (7). The police searched the father’s apartment and found crack cocaine. On December 3, 2013 Stephen Guertin, and expert on child abuse, testified that there is no doubt,” Guertin said, “there was violence inflicted on this baby.” He said there were multiple impact sites on her head. Describing autopsy photos to the jury, Guertin said: “You have to have an impact to get those… You have to hit the baby or the baby has to be hit against something.”(8) There are no other parties that claim that vaccines can cause “impact sites” on the head other than Vactruth.com.
            .
            You are not providing and evidencs of injury or showing any confimed injury. You are just spreading anti-vaxx lies. As of today, there has not been one confirmed victim of the HPV vaccine. That is just a HRSA data fact.

  • RobertAllen1

    Projection, eh, Wasserfucker?

  • RobertAllen1

    Nothing to say as usual. So guess who’s the cretin, Wasseraids.

  • RobertAllen1

    Hey, cocksucker, care to provide any mainstream, peer-reviewed studies promoting GCMAF as a treatment for alleged vaccine damage (NOTE SPELLING).

    Hey, cocksucker, care to cite these 30 mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals promoting GCMAF, bearing in mind the retractions to which I linked.

    Hey, cocksucker, care to cite the mainstream, peer-reviewed studies supporting your claim that “in reality GCMAF has been proven to work in about 70% of children over 3000 tested in clinical trials” or is this something else from out of your a*s?

    Hey, cocksucker, “dealing with doctors” does not equate to having medical qualifications. In other words, you have admitted to having absolutely none–and as I am not the one going against mainstream medicine, I am under no obligation to provide mine, you dishonest piece of shit.

  • RobertAllen1

    So you can’t find any retractions anywhere. How about these for starters:

    http://www.anticancerfund.org/news/gcmaf-for-the-treatment-of-breast-cancer-retraction-of-an-article-by-yamamoto-et-al

    http://retractionwatch.com/2014/07/25/paper-about-widely-touted-but-unapproved-cure-for-cancer-autism-retracted/

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18058096

    Care to provide mainstream, peer-reviewed evidence of clinical trials of GCMAF being conducted in Israel (and gcmaf-science is not a mainstream, peer-reviewed journal) or is this something else from out of your ass?

    So guess who’s trying to refute facts. Guess who’s the fucking loser. Guess who’s the pathetic, motherfucking liar.

    And by the way, still no rundown of Now, how about a rundown of your medical qualifications, especially in disease pathology and immunology, including education, experience and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals. Without them you are incompetent to evaluate any medicament.

    • I’m blacklisting him as a spammer. He’s advertising, that’s all.

      • RobertAllen1

        Thank you.

        Are Chissky and Chris Sky one and the same? The latter has accused me several times of being a paid shill for the pharmaceutical industry which I find libelous.

  • RobertAllen1

    Now, how about a rundown of your medical qualifications, especially in disease pathology and immunology, including education, experience and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals. Without them, you are in no position to assert that vaccines are a scam.

    And by the way, you forgot to mention that the papers supporting GCMAF have been retracted by the journals in which they were published. GCMAF is a dangerous fraud and so are you.

  • Justthefacts

    I’m just saying the real evidence is that he killed himself and the murder conspiracy theory is crap. Because he was getting busted for being a Quack, the rest of your story is also a bit weak.

    • FULL OF CRAP

      1) they got a search warrant and confiscated his GCMAF… if he had done anything illegal, they would have ARRESTED HIM RIGHT THERE

      2) 12 doctors all working in “natural gene therapy” (like GCMAF) were all murdered within 5 weeks of his death!

      3) how many “suicides” can you cite where the person shot them self in the CHEST! And then somehow the body, and murder weapon end up in a creek!

      in reality… Big Pharma, confiscated his stuff, and then shut him up before he could pass on his research to anyboyd else… and all these other docs got silenced for damage control and as a msg to anybody else who wants to cut into their profit.

      or the alternative… 12 doctors all in the same field within less than two months, suffered random murders “coincidentally”…

      1 doctor in 2 months.. ok… 2 doctors in 2 months… getting strange.. 12 doctors in 5 weeks…there’s MORE TO THE STORY.

      and once again.. if officers get a “Search Warrant” it’s because they are lookinng for something ILLEGAL… if they find it.. they will arrest you right there… not come back days later! so obviouslly what the STOLE FROM HIM, wasn’t ILLEGAL or he would have got arrested!

      • Justthefacts

        You are so cute. You got all hot and bothered but didn’t bother to read the links. The search warrant was for “all books, records, and documents, not illegal drugs.The purpose of the raid was to GATHER evidence for a bigger prosecution, not a drug bust. The clock was ticking on him. He took the easy way out.
        .
        Before you rant, actually check the links and news sources so you don’t look any crazier that you are going to look anyway.

        • and the other 11 doctors?

          • Justthefacts

            Do you mean the 11 doctors that you didn’t identify? How am I supposed to know your conspiracy fantasies?

          • it’s not a “Conspiracy” The GFMAC isn’t even ILLEGAL in the States (and also currently being used in 8 different countries for multitude of treatments.)

            … here’s one link on the 11 dead doctors.

            http://thefreethoughtproject.com/11-alternative-heath-doctors-dead-3-months/

          • Justthefacts

            Nope. That link and the links on that page just go to you doctor who got raided and another doctor that walked into the woods after causing an accident. Not exactly the material of conspiracies. It is very clear that you never read past the headlines. You have nothing to say.

        • RobertAllen1

          I find nothing cute about quackery.

      • RobertAllen1

        Just who in Big Pharma “confiscated his stuff and then shut him up before he could pass on his research to anybody else” or is this something else from out of your ass, along with your medical qualifications?

        Now how about a rundown of your legal qualifications, including education, experience, fields of specialty and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed law journals. Without them, you are incompetent to claim why officers obtain search warrants–and it’s not always for contraband. You are obviously as ignorant of the law as you are of medicine and just about everything else.

  • TFS3616

    This should also be looked at carefully in the coming months, as it officially has been put in Congressional record. The research material in question of this CDC study trial deserve to be in public record and peer-reviewed. http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4546421/rep-bill-posey-calling-investigation-cdcs-mmr-reasearch-fraud

    • Chris Preston

      A congressman makes a statement late at night to a near-empty house.

      No-one took any notice.

      Despite the claims made, there was no loss of data. All the data is held electronically.

      • TFS3616

        Can you forward a link that all the hard data was held, electronic data can easily be manipulated. It doesn’t surprise me that almost no one is there. How many other drugs and studies been proved to have been faulty or corrupted, the government doesn’t like these types of mistakes to hit the press.

    • Brooke Dunne

      We already saw this clown act last summer. It’s old news.

      The return of the revenge of the “CDC whistleblower”
      http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/07/30/the-return-of-the-revenge-of-the-cdc-whistleblower/

      Oh , and BTW. you might find this interesting…

      Age of Autism Buys Congressman for Lame-O C-SPAN Speech
      http://leftbrainrightbrain.co.uk/2014/07/30/the-age-of-autism-wants-people-to-donate-to-congressman-bill-posey-because-moneyinfluence/

      Because well, with Age of Autism it’s only ever about the $$$

      • jon kimble
      • TFS3616

        Well then this congressman should be held to the fire for either accepting money or deliberately lying in congress about these allegations.

        • Brooke Dunne

          Excellent point.

          This was a paid advertisement, done only for the C-SPAN cameras.

          Lucky for Posey, I don’t believe Members of Congress can be held liable for false or defamatory statements made on the House floor.

    • Provide a link to a current congressional investigation of anything. Oh, you can’t.

  • TFS3616

    It’s on the FDA page…Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea. Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine. http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf

    • Chris Preston

      Oh dear. Someone failed to read the article before commenting.

      • It happens all the time. I cry about it, and it makes me sad.

    • Justthefacts

      Yea, here is another person who didn’t read the article. The whole point is that you don’t know how to read the package insert. Let me show you with one example:
      .
      On Page 11 of that Tripedia vaccine insert, you left off 2 of the noted events; Motor vehicle accident and accidental drowning.They are on line 3. Please explain how vaccinations can cause motor vehicle accidents, and accidental drownings? When you have the answer to that, you will understand what inserts are all about.

      • TFS3616

        Well if you take the vaccine, then drive home and have an adverse reaction, would the vaccine be the cause? The same can be said with swimming, if you never had seizures and while swimming you had your first one and drowned would that count? I read the article fool, I was posting the link which you read for yourself. You came up with some lame question which you should be able to logically answer.

        • Justthefacts

          Do you really believe that?
          .
          You can also actually read the insert correctly and see that all event that occur are reported WITHOUT any regard for cause.

          .
          The real reason is most likely the reason WRITTEN IN THE INSERT. Stop trying to rationalize facts to meet your needs.

          • TFS3616

            Do you believe there has never been any serious or traumatic injuries associated with vaccines? Why the need for a insert at all?

          • Justthefacts

            The insert meets a legal requirement. If you want the actual data with actual injuries, they are found elsewhere. I know what injuries occur and where to find out and it’s not the insert.
            .
            The problem is that YOU don’t know where to look.

          • TFS3616

            I know where the information is, I have read it, I have seen what the government has paid out due to legally recognized vaccine injuries. You are the one implying that injures don’t occur.

          • TFS3616

            You might think the statistics are negligible, my point from the start is what is causing the serious side effects? Is there a way to screen against them? Can vaccine ingredients be changed to negate the side effects? How many other drugs were FDA approved and sold big pharmaceutical companies due to bad studies, short studies or limited time frame studies only to be pulled? I am not an “anti” vaxer, more I am looking for the reasons these injuries occur. http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vicpmonthlyseptember15.pdf

          • Justthefacts

            I don’t “think” the statistics are negligible, I know that they are because it says so in the link you provided. The chances of a vaccine injury is less than one in one million. That makes getting a vaccination the safest activity every invented by mankind. It’s safer than going to the bathroom. sitting in your living room, or walking to the store.

          • Justthefacts

            No, I am saying directly that its not on the insert. That is the subject of the article and my posts. That is the issue. Don’t point at the insert like it says anything real.

          • I love how these idiots despise BIG PHARMA, yet faithfully quote the BIG PHARMA-written package insert as if it was their bible.

          • Justthefacts

            The faithful expose their desperation to find any evidence in the misreading of papers and inserts as their cognitive dissonance drives them to nothing short of hallucinations.

            Desperate times calls them to take desperate measures. Lying to themselves helps them lie to others.

          • Jon kimble

            Lol I’m not sure what is so hard.. vaccines have inserts. These inserts like any other drug aren’t there if there’s no chance of occurrence. Then when it happens, you dirty excuse for humans cry unicorn believer and crackpot. I’m no genius, but I’m pretty sure this is why people consider you a rotting piece of flesh.

  • It’s great hearing these GOPers debate vaccines! Trump is such a fucking moron.

    • Tids1960

      He is isn’t he… I bet he doesn’t know that there’s a conflict of interest between the CDC and Big Pharma paying them…
      I just can’t keep track of the people who keep going from one to the other… You know where else I see this…
      U.S. Treasury… to the Federal Reserve… to Goldman Sachs
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      • RobertAllen1

        So Big Pharma is paying the CDC. Any proof or are you keyboarding out of your a*s again?

        • Tids1960

          Prove I’m wrong… Prove that the people who were in companies… high level executives… of pharmaceutical companies don’t go to work for the CDC and or FDA and then go back.
          You’re not one of them are you Bobbles ?

          • RobertAllen1

            YOU are the claimant. YOU have the burden of proof. If you can’t meet it, as you obviously can’t, you are a f*g fraud. If you try to shift YOUR burden of proof to me, as you have now done, you are a f*G cheat.

          • Tids1960

            Sorry…

            I’m not falling for your piss poor excuse of Hitchens’s razor

          • It’s pretty much the perfect application of Hitchens Razor. There’s nothing to fall for. The burden of proof is on you.

            Pro tip: Hitchen’s Razor: Derived from the Hitchens quote “What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.”

            Thus, the burden of proof in a debate lies with he who makes the claim. If he or she does not meet it, the opponent does not need to argue against the unfounded claim.

          • Tids1960

            Wrong…

            The burden falls on the one of “Greater” claim

            You can’t even get that right Spaghetti head…

            Thus, the burden of proof in a debate lies with you

          • Your wild conspiracy theory is clearly the greater claim. Again, prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn’t exist.

          • Tids1960

            I’m not going to play “go fetch” noddle brain
            especially when you can’t prove your claim

          • RobertAllen1

            And just which claim as FMSPastapharian made other than that you are a dishonest moron?

          • Of course not.

          • Katia

            Because you have nothing to fetch.

          • Tids1960

            And you do… ?
            I mean other than doggie treats ?

          • Tids1960

            Since 1991, when the CDC and the FDA had recommended that three additional vaccines laced with the preservative be given to extremely young infants — in one case, within hours of birth — the estimated number of cases of autism had increased fifteen fold, from one in every 2,500 children to one in 166 children. ~Dr. Phil Bate

          • Katia

            I’m probably wasting my time but, surely someone who follows vaccines as much as you is WELL AWARE that there is no thimerosal in any vaccine for kids under 6 YEARS except for multidose flu vaccine and that T-free flu vaccine is available for kids.

            I don’t care who Dr. Phil Bate is, probably another AV crank.

          • RobertAllen1

            Dr. Bate describes himself an orthomolecular psychologist or psychiatrist as the occasion suits him.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthomolecular_psychiatry

            If it were up to the quacks, the streets would be filled with bodies a la the Middle Ages.

          • Tids1960

            I don’t believe anyone but you mentioned vaccines for kids under six…
            and even at that… still makes you a drug pusher
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          • RobertAllen1

            Phil Bate, hardly a mainstream, peer-reviewed scientist, orthomolecular psychology, hardly a mainstream medical discipline, you fucking fraud.

          • Tids1960

            Oh Yes… More Blab blab blab

            from the parrot… or pigeon… naw… Parrots strut around like they win all the time too

            What a minion…

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          • RobertAllen1

            I’m glad you agree that Phil Bate is hardly a mainstream, peer-reviewed scientist, that orthomolecular psychology, is hardly a mainstream medical discipline and that citing Bate exposes you for the fraud and medically illiterate moron you are.

          • Tids1960

            WOW… for a moment there I couldn’t tell if you were talking about Dr.Phil Bate or your pity party cult… I’m surprised you don’t have a half a dozen thumbs up by now… among my “colleagues” we call that herd mentality.
            I now return back to your Mercury, surgery, and bloodletting allo”pathic” ( just missing “et” ) ways
            OMG… there’s two jokes in that… Need a phone Bobbles ?

          • RobertAllen1

            Non-responsive, but what can be expected from a medically illiterate moron and pathetic fraud. There are no jokes in that.

          • Tids1960

            “The views and opinions expressed in your post are solely those of the author. Your views and opinions do not necessarily represent those of any medical, and/or contributors of any site.” ~ The Good Guys

          • RobertAllen1

            So you respond with a jejune quote.

          • Tids1960

            Playing with your thesaurus again…. ?
            How dull… !

          • RobertAllen1

            Confusing your dick with your brain. How Boeotian.

          • Tids1960

            I have no confusion on human anatomy… And perhaps if you even had one of those items mentioned… You wouldn’t either
            Oddly enough… neither did the Greeks, have any confusion that is.

          • RobertAllen1

            Your posts speak otherwise, asshole.

          • RobertAllen1

            Wrong, the burden of proof falls on the one making the claim, you f*g ignoramus.

          • Tids1960

            It’s pretty much something….

            I’m thinking in the lines of bovine feces…

            nice Noodle avatar… You should photoshop the other one together

            It would send the message you’re pushing…

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          • TFS3616
          • RobertAllen1

            Changing jobs does not come up to the level of supporting your claim of Big Pharma paying the CDC, you f*g fraud.

          • TFS3616

            Robert, you are a Shill. Collusion by changing jobs to influence decisions in government positions is at the very least morally unethical and should be consider fraud. Read the articles doctors, government officials, journalists and watchdogs groups have implicatied the same.

          • TFS3616

            So Robert who approved these drugs? What connections did the FDA have to the companies producing the drugs? The injury payment claims compared to profits? It’s time for you to answer some questions or shut the f*ck up…http://prescriptiondrugs.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=005528

          • RobertAllen1

            YOU are the claimant. YOU have the burden of proof, in this case, an illicit connection between the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies and employees changing jobs to influence decisions in government positions. If you can’t meet it, which as conjectures do not even begin to rise to the level of proof, you obviously can’t, you are a f*g fraud. If you try to pass it on to me, which you are now attempting to do, you are a f*g cheat.

            I suggest you look up anonymous libel, for should you accuse me once again of being a shill, I will find out who you are and avail myself of my legal remedies. Act accordingly.

            And before you post again, get your head around the fact that the word’s “collusion.”

          • TFS3616

            Laughable arguement a best! Libel please try! I showed you documented proof you, won’t acknowledge it or discredit with your own proof…what’s the point in showing you anything then.

          • RobertAllen1

            You have shown no more than people being disciplined or terminated for various reasons and employees changing jobs, nothing documenting collusion between Big Pharma and the CDC, you filthy, f*g liar.

          • TFS3616

            Anyways How am I a Claimant? I posted articles I didn’t pose the first question, and this isn’t a court of civil or legal law. So get off your high horse and actually try to debate your position instead of backtracking to insults and elementary school yard tactics.

          • RobertAllen1

            Who alleged that Big Pharma is paying the CDC? That makes you the claimant, m*rf*r.

            And, m*rf*r, a claimant’s burden of proof is not confined to the judiciary, you ignorant POS.

          • TFS3616

            Here is the FDA’s debarment list, reason for debarment are follows…They were convicted, under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, of felonies that included submitting false data to the Food and Drug Administration, lying to FDA investigators, paying or accepting bribes, and selling prescription drug samples. http://www.fda.gov/ICECI/EnforcementActions/FDADebarmentList/default.htm Here is the list of researchers that are on debarment for research misconduct. http://ori.hhs.gov/case_summary

          • RobertAllen1

            None of this supports your allegations of illicit connections between the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies or employees changing jobs to influence decisions in government. Won’t wash, you f*g liar.

          • TFS3616

            Yes it does because FDA employees have been faced debarment for accepting funds from pharmaceutical companies. I call me a liar, a cheat and a fraud when I pass verified information to you. If these allegations didn’t hold water the reporting agencies would take the information down because LIBEL damages.

          • RobertAllen1

            The only verified information you have passed along is that some employees have been fired or otherwise disciplined for illegal acts, nothing supporting illicit connections between the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies or employees changing jobs to influence decisions in government. That makes you a f*g liar, a cheat and a fraud.

          • Brooke Dunne

            You don’t need asterisks on this blog. Let ‘er rip 😉

          • RobertAllen1

            Thanks for the info.

          • Katia

            What the hell is debarment?

          • TFS3616

            If you read the link the FDA clearly states what debarment is and why FDA employees get sanctioned with it…

          • Katia

            Here’s what the first person on the debarment list did:

            “Dear Dr. Aiache:
            This letter is to inform you that the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is proposing to issue an
            order debarring you for a period of five years from providing services in any capacity to a person
            that has an approved or pending drug product application. FDA bases this proposal on a finding that
            you were convicted of a misdemeanor under Federal law for conduct relating to the regulation of a
            drug product under the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (the Act), and that the type of conduct
            that served as the basis for the conviction undermines the process for the regulation of drugs. This
            letter also offers you an opportunity to request a hearing on this proposal, and provides you with the
            relevant information should you wish to acquiesce to this proposed debarment.

            Conduct Related to Conviction
            “On June 26, 2007, you entered a plea of guilty to one count of receipt and delivery of a misbranded
            drug in interstate commerce, in violation of2J U.S.C. §§ 33l(c), 333(a)(l) and 352(f), and judgment was entered against you in the United States District Court for the Central District of
            California. The underlying facts supporting this conviction are as follows. During 2003-2004, you were a physician with an office in Beverly Hills, California. As part of your
            practice prior to September 3, 2003, you injected patients with BOTOX®, a Botulinum Toxin Type A drug product for treatment of glabellar lines. Prior to 2009, BOTOX®/BOTOX® Cosmetic, a
            product manufactured by Allergan, Inc., was the only Botulinum Toxin Type A product approved by the FDA for use in humans for any indication, including for the temporary improvement in
            appearance of moderate to severe glabellar lines associated with corrugator and /or procerus muscle activity commonly described as the treatment of facial wrinkles. 1
            In 2003, you began ordering an unapproved Botulinum Toxin Type A drug, TRI-toxin, manufactured by Toxin International, Inc. (TRI), instead of BOTOX®/BOTOX® Cosmetic. TRI-1”.

            http://www.fda.gov/downloads/RegulatoryInformation/FOI/ElectronicReadingRoom/UCM292514.pdf

            Goes on for quite a bit. This person was a physician in private practice. Nothing about an FDA employee accepting funds from pharmaceutical companies. That could be one offense one gets “debarred” for, of course.

          • RobertAllen1

            I took a look at several entries and found pretty much the same things, once again exposing TFS3616 for the liar, the fraud and the cheat that he is.

          • Katia

            LOL! The FDA has long been accused of being too slow! That policy saved their hides with Thalidomide! It was being sold OTC in Germany, and it wasn’t approved in the US. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/08/430709628/frances-kelsey-fda-officer-who-blocked-thalidomide-dies-at-101 When there was a meningitis B outbreak on the Princeton campus, the university had to import the vaccine from Europe b/c it hadn’t been approved here. The FDA had to approve them even doing that!
            http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2013/11/18/246022685/princeton-to-distribute-meningitis-b-vaccine
            It took another 1 1/2 years to get it approved here.

          • RobertAllen1

            Conflict of interest does not constitute collusion (once again note spelling, this is the third time, you ignorant piece of shit) to fast track drug approval. You’ve lied again, motherfucker.

          • TFS3616

            Sounds the same to me… Collusion is an agreement between two or more parties, sometimes illegal and therefore secretive, to limit open competition by deceiving, misleading, or defrauding others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically by defrauding or gaining an unfair market advantage.

          • RobertAllen1

            Which goes to show that you haven’t met your burden of proof of collusion, you fucking fraud.

          • TFS3616

            You sir are an asshole…I am done wasting any more time with you.

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, you cannot rebut my reply, much less support your allegation. One way or the other, be forewarned, you post any more of ignorance, lies and deceit and I will be on your tail. Act accordingly.

          • Katia

            Exactly! Instead of getting into a pissing contest with all us pro-vax people, just prove it Tids1960!

          • RobertAllen1

            The problem with antivaxxers is they can’t use mainstream, peer-reviewed material without distorting it and so they try to pass off the quack junk as mainstream.

          • lol! Prove the Flying Spaghetti Monster isn’t real. See how this game works?

          • Tids1960

            I do…
            Spaghetti head…
            So why are you breaking the game’s rules…
            Oh… Never mind, I already know why…
            Because you can’t win…

          • Tids1960

            Proving to you the money shakers have a revolving door in all those “companies & agencies” is like

            trying to convince you science is based on theory and those theories are always right…

            .

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          • You can throw up as many smoke screens as you want. Until you show me balance sheets, cashed checks, or even the slightest proof to back up your lunacy, you will remain nothing more than a nutsack conspiracy theorist. Insignificant. Nothing.

          • Tids1960

            That’s funny… Mike, You remember Mike. Mike said he was brought up to think… I guess you didn’t make it to that level… I see you still need people to show you the stove is hot… show you to look both ways before you cross a street… Show you this… Show you that… I’m really starting to wonder if you were EVER potty trained…
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      • Katia

        Big Pharma paying CDC is one of the AVs nuttier memes. CDC is TAX-supported!

        • Tids1960

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        • Tids1960

          http://blogs.wsj.com/pharmalot/2014/09/15/the-fda-revolving-door-fosters-conflicts-on-advisory-panels/
          I know you know this…
          But I just like sticking it in your face… Drug Pushers
          .
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          • Chris Preston

            Someone doesn’t know the difference between the CDC and the FDA.

          • Big Pharma doesn’t pay for the FDA, taxpayers do. However, Big Pharma is taxed for every new drug application. Seems fair.

            By the way, around 90% of drugs fail in FDA controlled clinical trials or in the review process. Damn Big Pharma just isn’t getting the return on their investment in the FDA.

            LMFAO.

          • Tids1960

            LMAOROTF
            STOP the PRESS… Mini Morons haven’t heard this one before

      • Citation required.

        Oh, wait. you can’t. Because the CDC is 100% paid for by the American taxpayer. So sad that you live in a world of lies.

        • Tids1960

          Michael… Really… ?

          A blogger at heart… Mind and soul

          Tell me… are you affiliate of Raptor pharmaceuticals in Novato, California ?

          I hear they’re into life-threating therapeutics…

          • RobertAllen1

            Do you mean the company which In 2008, started phase II clinical trials testing a DR preparation of cysteamine bitartrate for Huntington’s Disease, you ignorant motherfucker?

        • RobertAllen1

          I keep asking these antivaxxers and science deniers (pardon the tautology) what they would replace the CDC, the FDA, etc. with and I never receive an answer.

          I keep asking these antivaxxers and science deniers how the accomplishments of what they espouse stack up against those of mainstream, peer-reviewed science and I never receive an answer.

          Perhaps I’m asking the wrong questions.

  • Mike7106

    The Polio Vaccine Continues to Spread Polio and Harm People in Poor Countries

    2015-09-15 12:42:25-04

    Scientists
    state that there have been no cases of wild polio reported in four out
    of the six regions of the world being targeted in the vaccine-program
    since the 1990s, and the only cases of polio that are being reported are
    those of VDPV caused by the OPV vaccination.

    The oral polio vaccine was banned from use in the United States in 2000.
    The reason for this ban was because too many children were developing
    vaccine associated paralytic polio (VAPP) as a serious side effect of
    the oral vaccine.

    When you hear about ‘outbreaks’ of polio in foreign countries, the first
    question you should ask is, ‘Are they using the oral polio vaccine?’
    and the answer is usually, ‘yes.’ If children in the US were getting
    VAPP as a significant side effect of the oral vaccine, why wouldn’t this
    occur in other countries where children are receiving the oral polio
    vaccine, and health conditions may actually be worse for them there,
    than they are in the US?

    It has been proven over and over again that vaccinations alone cannot
    eradicate polio. Isn’t it about time that governments stopped their lies
    and got their priorities right for the sake of innocent children?

    • RobertAllen1

      Source? Mainstream, peer-reviewed only.

      • Tids1960

        Yes… Yes… Peer-reviewed only
        It has to come from one of the many cronies I believe in

        • RobertAllen1

          No, moron, MAINSTREAM peer-reviewed only, something of which you are as ignorant as of scientific theory.

          • Tids1960

            And the difference IS… Moron ?
            Because once someone list a doctor…
            You immediately say he’s not credible… by his peers
            Your script runs so thinly I’m surprise more people don’t see through it
            ( side note; anyone draw a mustache on your picture yet ? )

          • RobertAllen1

            And the difference is education, peer review and contributions to the field, you ignorant POS.

          • Tids1960

            Doogie Howser is going to be SOOOOOoooo Depressed

          • RobertAllen1

            And you’re still going to be ignorant and stupid.

          • Tids1960

            Just because you’re a incompetent insignificant ignorant parrot squawking about… Mainstream, peer-reviewed reports by cronies
            doesn’t mean we have to believe you… or the CDC…FDA…AMA…
            In fact… everything you’ve stated so far is meaningless
            I’ll ask you one simple question… it’s a yes or no answer
            .
            Do you inspect any of the vials that the vaccines come in ?
            I’m going to tell you… your answer…
            It’s a big fat NO
            Now … doesn’t that make you ignorant and Stupid ?
            YES

          • RobertAllen1

            Just what makes you think that you with no medical qualifications are competent to pass judgment on the vials that vaccines come in? And while we’re on the subject of competent, what makes you think that you can have the wherewithal to go up against the staff of the CDC, the FDA and the AMA. Now, guess who’s ignorant and Stupid, m*rf*r.

          • Tids1960

            You place your trust in the CDC & FDA… you’re a fool

          • RobertAllen1

            Just what would you suggest we place our trust in? An ignorant m*rf*r such as you?

          • Tids1960

            Wherewithal… ?
            I can’t quite find that in the scientific dictionary
            Must be because you’re stupid…

          • RobertAllen1

            You also won’t find the word “stupid” in a scientific dictionary either. Must be because you’re stupid, a*sh*le.

          • Tids1960

            And again… You’re wrong…
            Here’s a hint… Something that doesn’t have mass
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          • RobertAllen1

            Care to cite a scientific dictionary or is this something else from out of your a*s?

          • Tids1960

            Look up… Bumping
            A reaction you and the Spaghetti Monster have in common shared by many, I’m sure

            http://www.amazon.com/Dictionary-Science-Oxford-Quick-Reference/dp/019956146X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1442474888&sr=8-1&keywords=scientific+dictionary

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          • RobertAllen1

            Irrelevant, m*Irf*r.

          • Tids1960

            Typical programmed scriped response:
            Hence Troll

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, you can’t refute it, you f*g fraud.

          • Tids1960

            More blab blab blab from the Fishmonger

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, you can’t refute it, you f*g fraud.

          • Tids1960

            In other words.. you can’t either

          • RobertAllen1

            So you expect me to refute my own statement. What a moron.

          • Tids1960

            You expect me to refruit your statement You ARE a moron
            and a fishmonger

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, you can’t REFUTE (note spelling, moron) my statement.

          • Tids1960
          • RobertAllen1

            A non-response if ever there was one.

          • Tids1960

            What a fruit…What a fruit… what a refute

            What a moron…What a moron…What a moron…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            you’re a fraud you’re a fraud you’re a fraud

            you can’t cite any mainstream, peer-reviewed sources

            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            Parrot wants a cracker…

            What a fruit…What a fruit… what a refute

            What a moron…What a moron…What a moron…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            you’re a fraud you’re a fraud you’re a fraud

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          • RobertAllen1

            I think you’ve got it, you f*g fraud.

          • Tids1960

            In other words, you can’t refute it…

            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…

            Typical programmed scriped response:
            Hence Troll

          • casey jones

            Lol the cdc staff? I’m pretty sure one of them was arrested fo raping animals and children not too long ago. http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/1004881

          • RobertAllen1

            Non-responsive as usual.

          • casey jones

            Huh?

          • RobertAllen1

            Huh is right, you ignorant m*rf*r.

          • casey jones

            I know. I had the same response when I read the story. Can’t say I was surprised though

          • casey jones

            I guess the Huffington post isnt mainstream enough for you

          • casey jones

            The link works fine. If you want I can send you 20 other links. Or you can use what little brain power you have and just Google her name. Don’t care lol.

          • Justthefacts

            You ask that like he has a choice!

      • Justthefacts

        Polio has just declared eradicated in India. You know he’s got nothing but it’s cute how you taunt him.

        • RobertAllen1

          And I will continue to do so. Ignorant m*rf*r’s such as Mike7106 are far more dangerous than any pandemic.

          • Justthefacts

            I have to agree.

  • Tids1960

    “theory” is a relatively meaningless word lately

    example…

    Scientist are intelligent in theory…

    Though evidence it seems… is lacking.

    Proving… everything is “just a theory.” ~ Tids1960
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    • Diddly doo

      Germ theory too. If you want to go to the cathedral of theory try CERN out in Switzerland – Higgs bottom, they still can’t find it. Wish I could get some research money. Maybe I should make up a theory about injecting kids with crap to protect them – oh they have already done that and got the taxpayer to pay for it. Shucks.

      • You are a fucking moron. That’s as nice as I can be here. Are you honestly trying to dispute a key finding in particle physics on the same thread as that you’re railing against vaccines? Two totally separate advanced scientific fields, when you have no clue about either? Did they fake the existence of the Haldron Accelerator the way they faked the moon landing?

        People like you make me sad.

        • RobertAllen1

          Such a key finding, in fact, that to his credit, Dr. Krauss, once a skeptic, commenced research on its nature. But please, it’s the Hadron Accelerator.

      • RobertAllen1

        Hey, moron, it’s the Higgs Boson.

        Hey, moron, it has been discovered.

        https://www.futurelearn.com/courses/higgs

        Hey, moron, you’re supposed to know what you’re talking about BEFORE you hit the post button.

    • There’s nothing at all relative or meaningless about the word theory in the scientific world. It is a very precise word. Perhaps if you understood its use,you’d be better able to understand how science works.

      As for the germ theory denier posting below you, that level of stupidity just leaves me speechless.

      • Tids1960

        I rest my case Spaghetti Monster…
        And we couldn’t be that lucky to have you speechless…
        The evidence proves it…

        • You rest your case? Based on what? My direct rebuff of your claim that the word theory is vague or meaningless? I don’t think so.

          • Tids1960

            One…
            You can’t shut up…
            Two…
            The evidence proves it

          • STFU already. You’re just a waste of bandwidth at this point. You contribute nothing of any use to anyone. gfy.

          • Tids1960

            My theory proves right…
            HEY I”M A SCIENTIST

          • RobertAllen1

            And just which theory is this, the one out of your a*s?

          • Don’t kid yourself. You’re a Troofer and a ‘Bagger. That’s about it.
            Nice avatar too. You’re creepy on top of the rest of your “attributes.”

          • Tids1960

            Just wanted you to see what it looks like when I talk you as a scientist
            creepy was when you pushed drugs… you have no clue about it

          • Tids1960

            Trump just nail vaccines to autism in the debates
            And Paul… brought it home… with it’s the freedom of those who wish to vaccinate or not

          • That stage is nothing more than a clown car full of bloviating morons. I’m sure you’re stroking yourself as you watch them perform.

            Again, you have the freedom to do whatever you want to yourself. Just stay out of *our* society with your vaccine-preventable diseases.

          • Tids1960

            Sorry… I don’t participate in your bazaar behavioral habits…
            ~marshmallow~
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          • RobertAllen1

            The evidence proves what, that you’re pathetically ignorant, stupid and danger to society at large?

          • Tids1960

            Anyone… who pushes drugs onto another person is a Danger to society

          • RobertAllen1

            So take away the insulin from the diabetic. So when someone is pain, let him suffer. You filthy, m*rf*g SOB.

          • Tids1960

            HAMLET

            Excellent well; you are a fishmonger.

            LORD POLONIUS

            Not I, my lord.

            HAMLET

            Then I would you were so honest a man.

            LORD POLONIUS

            Honest, my lord!

            HAMLET

            Ay, sir; to be honest, as this world goes, is to be
            one man picked out of ten thousand.

          • RobertAllen1

            Non-responsive.

          • Justthefacts

            You have provided no evidence. You have nothing.

          • Tids1960

            Oddly… I say the same thing about you…

          • Justthefacts

            But you are lying. I have posted extensive evidence. You have posted nothing at all. That’s what the evidence shows.

          • Tids1960

            under this name… ?
            Or another.. ?
            I think you’re confused…

          • Justthefacts

            Nope. You can tell from your icon that you are confused. I have posted 14 links in the past 3 days. You have no short term memory left, bro.

          • Tids1960

            I haven’t seen a single one… I think you’re lying again

          • Justthefacts

            You can see facts. You only see conspiracies.

          • Tids1960

            you are lying. I have posted extensive evidence

            And what the evidence shows is… You are lying

          • Justthefacts

            All you posted was your misreading of an insert that we all had a good laugh over and a bunch of trolling. You said nothing worth consideration.

          • Tids1960

            All you’ve posted is crony corporate trollism not worth consideration
            HA ! and all of it is Peer-reviewed by mainstream cronies

          • Justthefacts

            And, obviously, you only post Conspiracy Theories.

          • Tids1960

            So you do admit when I’m quoting the CDC and the FDA they’re conspiracies

            THANK YOU… You get a cookie !

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          • RobertAllen1

            Justthefacts has admitted nothing of the sort, you fucking liar.

          • Tids1960

            Crying ?
            At least we know who Jesterfacts Daddy is…
            You should keep your kids off line…

          • RobertAllen1

            At least we know who the fucking fraud, cheat, liar and all around ignoramus is.

          • Tids1960

            Bobbles…

            Do you do anything else other than piss, moan, and groan ?

            Good Lord… get some Pamprin Maximum Strength

          • RobertAllen1

            At least we know who the fucking fraud, cheat, liar and all around ignoramus is and that’s all that matters, motherfucker.

            And by the way, my name is Robert.

          • Tids1960

            Yes… Your name is Robert
            And Phil Bate is a “Doctor”
            Since you lack the common courtesy to address people by Mr. Mrs. or even Doctor…
            Deal with it Bobbles… it’s “only” a meaningless name Right ?
            Just like the CDC and FDA… because if they were doing their jobs
            You and I wouldn’t even be having this “conversation” now would we Bobbles ?

          • RobertAllen1

            And just where is Phil Bate’s doctorate from, eh, Tidnuts motherfucker.
            And by the way, Tidnuts motherfucker, as you have no medical qualifications, you have no basis for assessing how well the CDC and the FDA are doing their jobs.

          • Tids1960

            Au contraire… Monsieur Bobbles ( On Contrary Sir… French for the Rude )
            Those are both ran by the Federal Government are they not ?
            Or are they another diluted mockery such as the Federal Reserve ?

          • RobertAllen1

            The people on their staffs possess the medical qualifications which you lack. Quel connard–that’s French for what an asshole.

            And by the way,Tidfucker, you still haven’t stated from where Phil Bate’s received his doctorate..

          • Tids1960

            561-594-5549
            Ask Him Yourself…
            Mini moron…
            mini short for Minion
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          • RobertAllen1

            Why should I have to? If he were a mainstream, peer-reviewed scientist, this information would be readily available. Tidfucker.

          • Tids1960

            Yeah…Um the man is retired… Bobbles

            But you can talk to him about his
            american association of physics teachers Background among other things
            Hell I bet he’s got a CD that could help you…
            Not for the anatomy thing… you brought up
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          • RobertAllen1

            Makes no difference. Your apologia is stupid and ill-informed fucktibs.
            And speaking of that anatomy thing, physics has little to nothing to do with disease pathology or immunology, fucktibs.

          • Tids1960

            So Bobbles… You’re saying you have a Proctologist as a dentist ?
            Breath Mint ?
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          • RobertAllen1

            Non-responsive, tidfuck.

          • Sam WassermaN

            Robbie your RAGING ANGER is disconcerting and worrisome.

            Below please find the link to a recent incident involving an angry miscreant.

            http://www.rawstory.com/2015/09/florida-man-reaches-inside-woman-and-disembowels-her-for-uttering-exs-name-during-sex/

            SEEK THE HELP YOU URGENTLY REQUIRE ROBBIE.

            In light of your constant barrages of graphic vulgar profanity and sexual innuendos, I am concerned about what you may do someday if the opportunity presents itself as in the case of this raging psychopath.

            Although unlikely that you will ever experience any real or genuine consensual intimacy with a human being of any sort, it remains a concern that you may snap after
            having posted more than 19,000 comments and that you will do the unthinkable.

            You owe it to your mother Robbie.
            You disappointed her so badly in life, do not embarrass her further in death.

            YOU NEED HELP ROBBIE.
            URGENTLY
            THE SOONER THE BETTER
            TODAY WOULD BE OPTIMAL

          • RobertAllen1

            Saying nothing as usual, contributing nothing as usual, that is except for your stupidity, ignorance and general irrelevance, Wassermotherfucker. .

          • Sam WassermaN

            G’MAR HATIMAH TOVAH ROBBIE

            I sincerely hope that you get the
            help that you so badly require.

          • RobertAllen1

            In your undiscerning estimation, Wassermotherfucker.

          • Sam WassermaN

            GET YOURSELF TO THE NEAREST MENTAL HEALTH FACILITY ROBBIE …

            You seen to be on a rapidly accelerating course
            heading towards disaster.

          • RobertAllen1

            So fixated on my mental health. Guess who needs the professional help, wassercunt.

          • Jon kimble

            Ahhh 20 thousand messages later, and you are still right where you started. A rotten Internet slum who no one respects. “Wassercunt”? I’m having a hard time deciding weather you are 9 years old or 90 years old living on food stamps.

          • Apparently, anybody who disagrees with you is either on food stamps, or a paid shill. Interesting.

            So how many accounts have you gone through now, Kimble? You sure do get banned a lot. People must not like you. I can’t imagine why.

          • Jon kimble

            No. It’s really only the blatantly bias ass holes who post on the same crap written blogs and upvote each other like they are in some organized online cult.

          • RobertAllen1

            First master the difference between “who” and “whom” and “weather” and “whether,” then attempt to decide.

          • Justthefacts

            Then I did post data you disagreed with making you a liar when you said I didn’t post anything.
            .
            That’s just one more lie you have told.

          • Tids1960

            Look who’s quoting tweety bird…

            Oh…D’hen …I DID …I DID
            I DID post … da data
            What’s next ? liar liar pants on fire ?
            They’re going to write ditties about you Jesterfacts… funny ones !

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          • Tids1960

            Truth and facts are not subject to negotiation. ~ Jesterfacts

            It’s no wonder I make fun of you and the rest…

          • Justthefacts

            Nobody said they were. We get quite a giggle out of your ignorance also. You had no truth or facts.

          • Tids1960

            Such a liar…
            Always lying…
            Jesterfacts…
            Your the joke we talk about

          • Tids1960

            And … Dumbaaa
            It’s ” were “

          • Justthefacts

            And you can’t read either

          • Tids1960

            So… Nobody said they “WHere” Huh ?
            Change it up all you want….

            Dumbaaa…

            Justthefacts 14 hours ago

            “Nobody said they where. We get quite a giggle out of your ignorance also. You had no truth or facts.” ~ Justthefacts

          • Justthefacts

            And who is misquoting people now? You can’t win the argument so you stoop even lower. That is no surprise.

          • Tids1960

            Little Mini Moron…
            You’re too funny…
            That’s how your little cults works… Huh ?
            Kind of like you’re facts… They disappear too…
            Then you strut around like the pigeon you are…

          • Justthefacts

            I guess you haven’t noticed my FEATURED COMMENT at the top of the page. Those facts are still very real.
            You can “strut” all you want, but you will still signify nothing.

          • Tids1960

            Sorry Mini Moron… I’m not even on the web site…
            I have no idea to what misinformation you’re pushing

          • Tids1960

            …Where… How funny
            When you’re not smart enough to use the right word
            I’m embarrassed for you…
            Dumbaaa

          • Tids1960
          • Justthefacts

            Why am I not surprised that you are concerned about auditory verbal hallucination.

          • Tids1960

            Are you sure you’re not hearing little voices saying…

            “I just want to kill ’em… I just want to kill ’em” ?

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        • RobertAllen1

          You have no idea what a scientific theory is, but what can be expected of someone with absolutely no scientific qualifications?

          • Tids1960

            Which one of these are your alter ego
            Reality022
            DJJMC
            Zogby
            Bishop

          • RobertAllen1

            It’s which one of these IS your alter ego?

            You see what a moron you are–I hope against hope.

  • Tids1960

    “U.S. Government Says Vaccines are Dangerous”
    http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/27/vaccines-are-dangerous-says-the-government.aspx

    “100 Compiled Studies on Vaccine Dangers”
    http://www.activistpost.com/2011/09/100-compiled-studies-on-vaccine-dangers.html

    “Pediatric studies show the flu’s deadly danger”
    http://www.sciencedaily.com/re

    “22 Medical Studies That Show Vaccines Can Cause…”
    http://www.realfarmacy.com/22-

    “How Pharmaceutical Companies Hide the Dangers of …”
    http://vactruth.com/2013/09/26

    Found these headlines searching this…
    “Vaccine studies showing no dangers”

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    • Justthefacts

      Link 1 – outright lie. The link does not go there.
      Link 2 – another outright lie. The link is an unrelated money article
      Link 3 – another outright lie. The link is a page under construction
      Link 4 – another outright lie. The link is to 22 astonishing places.
      Link 5 – This link is not fake but it is a lie. this from Vactruth.com which is most known for defending child abusers.
      .
      Vactruth.com has publically made the claim that vaccines may cause homosexuality. Its run by Jeffry John Aufderheide and he has been accused of lying about his navy career by the daily beast. The Navy discredited Aufderheide’s claim that he served as a “rescue swimmer,” stating that he actually served four years as an Information Systems Technician, Third Class.
      .
      In May 2013, during an interview on Alex Jones’ InfoWars, Aufderheide
      discussed a new government-funded mobile app that he believes is designed to
      track anti-vaxxers. Later in the same interview, Aufderheide claimed the polio
      vaccine gives people cancer.
      .
      A writer for Vactruth posted on January 16th, 2104 that a “”Father Jailed For Life Without Parole After His 12 Week-Old Daughter Died After Receiving 8 Vaccinations!” blaming the vaccinations for the death.. The police searched the father’s apartment and found crack cocaine. On December 3, 2013 Stephen Guertin, and expert on child abuse, testified that there is no doubt,” Guertin said, “there was violence inflicted on this baby.” He said there were multiple impact sites on her head. Describing autopsy photos to the jury, Guertin said: “You have to have an impact to get those…You have to hit the baby or the baby has to be hit against something.” There are no other parties that claim that vaccines can cause “impact sites” on the head other than Vactruth.com.
      .
      Vactruth.com has a pattern of providing support for a accused child abusers as documented by Science blogs. THAT IS YOUR SOURCE.

      • And I can’t even play there anymore now that the lying douchebag banned me!

        • Justthefacts

          You shouldn’t try. Stay away from the dedicated anti-vaxx sites. The only people on them are the fanatical and as soon as you make a good point, you are banned to delete it from the board.

          I don’t even go to the fanatic websites. Vactruth is run by a lying nutcase that is only second in lunacy to Naturalnews.com

    • RobertAllen1

      Just how many of these links are from mainstream, peer-reviewed medical sources, you f*g fraud?

      • Tids1960

        As if Peer-reviewed means something… in this corporate crony corrupt medical field…
        Bobble… squabble
        That’s all I see you doing…
        Little Pigeon

        • RobertAllen1

          Peer review means everything, m*rf*r.

          And by the way, m*rf*r, why still no rundown of your medical qualifications?

          • Tids1960

            Bobble… stop being mean to animals and
            mad at the world…
            It was here long before you…
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          • RobertAllen1

            And this passes for a rundown of your medical qualifications.

          • Jon kimble

            Hey can we have a rundown of your medical qualifications? And maybe a picture so parents can keep their children away from predators like you?

    • Chris Preston

      What a complete joke.

      Can’t even get the links copied correctly.

      But I am glad to see that you think people should be vaccinated against influenza.

      Pediatric studies show the flu’s deadly danger, the benefits of school vaccinations

      • Tids1960

        I’ll start with you Chris…

        First … welcome

        Now go back and show us your reading skills… and read the last two lines of that post…
        Oh … Forget it… I can’t seem to get people competent enough to do something so simple as that…
        so I’ll repost them…

        Found these headlines searching this…
        “Vaccine studies showing “NO” dangers”

        Oh and Guys…
        There’s a really great place called Nick’s in Pacifica for a crab sandwich…
        Love the view… Love the sunsets there
        if you’re further inland…
        Try McCormick & Schmick’s for Lobster Bisque mash potatoes next to the Fairmont San Jose . Absolutely the best, you can get dessert right around the corner… great tarts
        Walk around the Fairmont to the other side… there’s usually a sax player… great tunes, be sure to drop a few in his case.
        See ya all … Putting on the Ritz
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        • Chris Preston

          Found these headlines searching this…”Vaccine studies showing “NO” dangers”

          If you say so, but I doubt many will believe you.

          The hypothesis that you have simply copied this incompetently from somewhere else is much more likely. This would explain why the links don’t work.

          • Tids1960

            Please… Now you’re just being rude
            Oh…
            You can still search the head line…
            (Please tell me you knew that )
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        • Diddly doo

          Chris is one of those old style septics – he still thinks people are afraid of him and therefore he doesn’t need a rational. Eventually he will winge to the moderator to get you banned. Keep it up, they don’t like it up em!

      • Diddly doo

        Wow, it’s the Christ pISTON. sTUDIES by doctors are not free from bias, have you ever met a doctor with even common sense?

  • Tids1960

    This may not be too surprising as the corporate media is owned by the major vaccine manufacturers, and the major vaccine manufacturers are owned by corporate media. Given this fact, it’s easy to fathom the possibility that these institutions are desperately trying to protect the reputation of their product.

    For example, if we take a look at GlaxoSmithKline and Pfizer, they are owned by the same financial institutions and groups that own Time Warner (CNN, HBO etc.) and General Electric (NBC, Comcast, Universal Pictures etc.). This is seen throughout all of the major vaccine manufacturers and all of the 6 corporations that control our mainstream media. Keep in mind that these are the major funders of all ‘medical research’ that’s used to administer drugs and vaccinations. Despite these connections, medical research and documentation exists to show that vaccines might indeed be a cause for concern.
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    • Justthefacts

      You are foolish. If you follow the money, It’s clear that vaccine companies profit more when there are problems with vaccines. Ever since 1986, they are immune from liability and they are subject to cost controls. If there is a problem with a vaccine, they get paid to alter and develop a new vaccine. When thimerosal was removed down to trace amounts, Merck got paid well to remove it.
      .
      You are NOT following the money: you are just trying to fabricate a rationale for your predetermined beliefs.

    • RobertAllen1

      And just what do you suggest in place of big pharma, you f*g fraud?

  • Mike7106

    Today’s modern vaccines ARE NOT the result of science.
    Science is systematic study through observation and experiment.

    Observation is the action or process of observing something or someone carefully or in order to gain information.

    An experiment is an orderly procedure carried out with the goal of verifying, refuting, or establishing the validity of a hypothesis. Experiments provide insight into cause-and-effect by demonstrating what outcome occurs when a particular factor is manipulated.

    Using the above definitions our BATTLE CRY to save our children from vaccines must be “SHOW US the SCIENCE.”

    Every vaccine given to a precious child or infant is an entirely new experience for his or her young body. That makes it an experiment.

    • Justthefacts

      About one million vaccines are given EVERY DAY IN THE US ALONE. To say that we don’t have data on vaccines and don’t know they are safe is about the most ridiculous thing you can say. Vaccines are known to be safe and effective based on data from BILLIONS of people. That is the reality.

      • Mike7106

        30 years ago the most vaccinated children were those of the most educated who were likely to have the most comprehensive health care plan. Now the most educated are likely to still have the most comprehensive health care plan but they have become the least likely to have their children vaccinated.So now you know where you stand.

        • Justthefacts

          I know where I stand. I stand with the 83-92% of Americans who are rational and protect themselves with vaccinations. You are with the lunatic fringe.
          .
          Is that all you got? All emotion and no knowledge? Good luck with that.

          • Mike7106

            Lol All the educated people are the lunatic fringe? ROTFLMAO.

          • Justthefacts

            Not true. You live in a dream world. The Pew research center says according to their findings, anti-vaxxers appear to be::
            .
            In lower income brackets: People earning less than $25,000 a year are 50% more likely to distrust vaccines.
            .
            45 to 54 years old: People in this age group are 26% more likely than any other to oppose vaccinations.
            .
            Midwestern: Citizens living in the Midwest region appear more likely to have “closeted” anti-vaccine sentiment.
            .
            Live in rural areas: Rural dwellers are 28% more likely to refuse vaccines.
            .
            Liberal: 60% of anti-vaxxers describe their political leaning as liberal.
            .
            Non-college educated: People with a high school diploma as their highest education level are 11% more likely to be against vaccines.
            .
            Don’t go to doctors: anti-vaxxers are 88% more likely not to have seen a doctor in the past year.
            .
            As you can see, you are in sad company. I’m not laughing as you are. I see your situation as sad.

          • Mike7106

            Duh. Mississippi is the poorest. Mississippi is the most vaccinated.

          • Justthefacts

            And Mississippi has one of the the lowest infection and death rates in the nation along with West Virginia. California hopes to repeat that accomplishment.
            .
            So you are ignoring the results of PEW research? That’s not a very “educated” thing to do. Perhaps it’s true that education level is not related to peoples ability to believe weird things.
            .
            Oh, and you are clearly an elitist. That really helps you make your point.

          • Mike7106

            Mortality Rates By State – Governing

            http://www.governing.com/gov-data/…/mortality-rates-by-state.html
            GoverningThe age-adjusted death rate for the U.S. was 746.2 deaths per 100,000 people in 2010. State rates range from 961.9 for Mississippi to 589.6 for Hawaii,
            And you’re research is slovenly pathetic.

          • Justthefacts

            Your link is dead. That makes your research ” slovenly pathetic” by definition.
            .
            The ridiculous thing about your whole idea is not just that there is no correlation between infant mortality and vaccines in any year other than 2006, it’s that you think there is no other effect, such as maternity health care, nutrition, poverty level, etc. on infant mortality.
            .
            Please continue with your ridiculous and impossible attempts.

          • Mike7106
          • Justthefacts

            Hey, sloppy researcher. Why did you post the web artilce instead of the actual source of the data?
            http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr60/nvsr60_04.pdf

            Here are the top ten causes of death:

            1. Congenital malformations, deformations and chromosomal abnormalities
            2. Disorders related to short gestation and low birth weight
            3. Sudden infant death syndrome
            4. Newborn affected by maternal complications of pregnancy
            5. Accidents
            6. Newborn affected by maternal complications of pregnancy placenta, cord and membranes
            7. Bacterial sepsis of newborn
            8. Diseases of the circulatory system
            9. Respiratory distress of newborn
            10. Necrotizing enterocolitis of newborn
            .
            Now, expert, How many of these do you think are caused by vaccines? Accidents? Bacterial infection? Maternal Complications?
            .
            Actually research your stupid ideas first, then you won’t look so stupid.

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to provide that ALL or even most of the educated people are not vaccinating their children or is this something else from out of that a*s of yours?

        • Katia

          Not really. You are conflating “the anti-vaxers tend to be educated and affluent” with “the educated and affluent don’t immunize”. In point of fact, unvaccinated kids are more likely to have parents with less education than the parents of the vaccinated. Anti-vaxers are a small, small subset of educated people. They are in company with the lesser educated on this issue.

    • Every meal, every spoonful of food, every breath of air given to a precious child or infant is an entirely new experience for his or her young body. That makes it an experiment.

      • Mike7106

        ZZZZZZZZ Through the skin genius?

        • Mike Stevens

          And every cut, every graze, and every scrape is an experiment.

    • RobertAllen1

      Care to provide a rundown of your medical qualifications, including education, experience, fields of specialty and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals. Without them, you are in no position to claim that modern vaccines are not the result of science.

  • Mike7106

    Here’s a thought. If a vaccine or a drug has a very harmful/serious side
    effect, possibly death, what’s preventing you from suffering that side
    effect? Luck?

    Hypothetical Question. Today’s medical
    science. No vaccines exist. A drug solution is required to make people
    immune to a dangerous virus. What would be the logical point of
    administration to activate the immune system with a virus remedy?
    1. Through the skin?
    2. Orally through the digestive system?
    3. Inhaled through the respiratory system?

    This is simple and common sense. Tell people who ask. ” Your body’s
    immune system begins to fight viruses at the respiratory system. Over
    100 years ago primitive medical science decided to inject(scratch and
    put) live viruses through the skin stimulating the immune system via
    your arm. Get a mirror. Look at your face, look at your arm, look at
    your face, look at your arm, look at your face, look at your arm, look
    at your face, look at your arm. See the problem?”

    Hypothetical Question, response.
    Science? It has more to do with common sense.
    1. Inhaled through the respiratory system?
    The respiratory system is already prepared to deal with virus intrusions.

    2. Orally through the digestive system?
    The digestive system prepares ingested material and protects us with acids that would likely modify a virus based remedy.

    3. Through the skin?
    The arm, the thigh, the buttocks? And into the “jungle of obstacles” beneath the skin to develop antibodies for a disease?

    What does the “rag tag beneath the skin immune process” consider
    materials that are “integral” to a vaccine? It considers them “persona
    non grata” and creates antibodies to be attacked when the body detects
    them. If that material is used by a body function/process that body
    function/process will no longer work as intended. The body becomes
    allergic to most all the materials making up the vaccine.

    • Lola Knudsen

      LOL Wat?

    • “Hypothetical” equals “imaginary.” Another way to invent a scary story about how vaccines are scary, scary, scary. Here’s a picture to demonstrate: http://explosm.net/comics/3668/

    • Justthefacts

      You are not a researcher or and expert. How can you even pretend to understand the processes involved in vaccines developed over the last 100+ years? The polio vaccine has gone from oral, to nasal, to injection over the years. Do you know why? Can you understand why? The answer is because the injection is safer and more effective as determined by a century of research and Billions of doses.
      .
      Is is possible for you to be more arrogant?

      • Mike7106

        Are you kidding? You are getting kid gloved. Your trolling in favor of child mistreatment by vaccines is despicable, blameworthy, culpable, shameful, dishonorable, opprobrious, repugnant, inexcusable, unforgivable, indefensible, unjustifiable, deplorable, disgraceful, inexcusable, repugnant,
        abusive, vituperative, derogatory, denigratory, pejorative, deprecatory, insulting, offensive, venomous, and to say the least scumsuckingly aberrant.
        You really need to ameliorate your rancorous behavior and lose the guile if you want to grok the calamity of vaccines.

        • Justthefacts

          You do know a lot of insults. It’s a shame you know nothing about vaccines.

          • Mike7106

            I know you can’t even safely inject mosquito spit without a negative reaction. http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html

            When was the last time any one of you got 8 doses of vaccine during
            visit? Truth be told if you weigh over 100lbs. you should easily handle 5 times the number vaccine doses an infant may get. That’s 40 doses. You science wizards up for that?

          • Reality022

            Mike7106 said, “I know you can’t even safely inject mosquito spit without a negative reaction.”

            Oooooh! Scary!

            I guess that means you cannot safely inject –
            Vitamin C
            EDTA for Hg chelation
            Vitamin B12
            etc., etc.

            You’d better let Suzy Humphries & Co. know about this. They are very big on high dose vitamin C injections curing everything from the common cold to cancer. They’re kinda’ like Kevin Trudeau clones turned to 11.

          • RobertAllen1

            Don’t try pretending you know something when you don’t.

          • Tids1960

            I should quote you on that every time you post

  • cable1977

    I’m sorry, but argumentum ad package insert isn’t latin. The correct latin would be argumentum ad fasciculus embolium. Thank you Google translate.

    I have a feeling though, despite you quite clear and rational takedown of such an argument, that many anti-vaxxers with continue to repeat this nonsense ad nauseam.

    • Tids1960

      I see the whole gang thumbing up the clown ball…

      No surprise there…

      .

      (o=

  • Diddly doo

    You have obviously never read the insert in the flu vaccine Flulaval, which states very clearly – “There are no adequate controlled trials demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with Flulaval”

    So without being paranoid or antivax or provax, explain to me why this means anything else but this product is useless, please.

    If we are to dismiss the product leaflet with the product, wft should we believe?

    • The reason why there are no controlled trials is because it is impossible to do controlled trials on humans. That’s right, impossible. This is because it would require studies of two groups: one vaccinated, and one control group intentionally unvaccinated. This is unethical, becauise it involves a disease that has been demonstrated to be lethal. People die from influenza. Controlled trials of this vaccine would require intentionally allowing people in the control group to contract a disease with a very real probability of causing death. That is immoral and illegal. Therefore, there cannot be any controlled trials. *However,* there have been many field tests in live populations that have indeed demonstrated the effectiveness, *and* the safety, of the influenza vaccine. These trials are not controlled trials, as explained here. Thus, the notice that “There are no adequate controlled trials demonstrating a decrease in influenza disease after vaccination with Flulaval”. So, at what point did you stop reading and simply assumed I’m a Big Pharma shill?

      • Diddly doo

        ” This is because it would require studies of two groups: one vaccinated,
        and one control group intentionally unvaccinated. This is unethical,
        becauise it involves a disease that has been demonstrated to be lethal.” Ee coli movecol

        This is a classic vaccine believer meme. So you are testing a flu vaccine, that has been untested and it is unethical to withhold the untested vaccine from the unvaccinated group to do a proper controlled trial! What a pile of vaccine woo.

        If you asked for 1000 people to volunteer to be in the unvaccinated group and then be exposed to flu virus with the idiots testing the new untested vaccine I will happily volunteer.

        I don’t really think you are a ‘big anything’, you obviously are not very good at prose and cut and pasting some vaccine meme belief manifesto isn’t very original or interesting.

        What is your day job?

        • I already posted a link that answers that one above, so here it is again: http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/vaccine-package-inserts-debunking-myths/And here’s one that answers your specific question about “no controlled trials:” https://www.facebook.com/RtAVM/posts/580677032002310 Take it or leave it. Which means you’ll probably leave it.

          • Diddly doo

            Ecoli moderna – your links to things you have scrawled are meaningless drivel. Shtiation please

          • Justthefacts

            Hey Mr. Grammar Nazi, what does “Shtiation please” mean?

          • Diddly doo

            hey fuckthefacts it’s Godwin’s time – got to the bottom of your rational then! didn’t take long.
            ‘Shitation’ – def: scientific appeals masquerading as PR, often paid for, seldom relevant to actual conclusion or raw data caveat applied. extension of old world ‘citation’ – taking account of both market forces and political knobbing.
            Get up to speed

          • RobertAllen1

            From your posts, guess who needs to get up to speed.

        • Justthefacts

          Did you know that there are no adequate controlled trials demonstrating that parachutes work? Do you think we need to do a controlled study with some people using parachutes and others not just to see if parachutes are effective?
          .
          Don’t pretend to understand how testing can be conducted.

          • Tids1960

            You know… Jesterfacts
            I wish you would test parachutes packed by the blind…
            .
            .
            (o=

          • Justthefacts

            You surrender is accepted.
            .
            Really, read up on the subject.

          • Tids1960

            Surrender ?

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          • Diddly doo

            How about some grammer there fuckthefacts – none of what you are posting makes any sense – are you pissed or just reading straight from medical peer review? Please advise

          • Justthefacts

            So you, with the the Name “Diddy doo” is criticizing another person’s grammar? Project much?

          • Diddly doo

            There is a paper on this too. I love the idea that you think no one can point out the massive holes in fake medical peer review – even the ex editors of the BMJ Lancet and others are saying most of what is published is horse shit. Just think faxxy, for years you have been calling for ‘citation’ and it’s now ‘shitation’. LOL

            Shitation please – or ‘pass the paper’ it gets better and better. Meanwhile the horse raptor is cooking up more septic memes based on criticism of the book of septic.

            It’s like shooting rednecks in a toilet pan.

          • Justthefacts

            So there is some paper, somewhere, that supports what you think.
            Faith is a powerful thing, that is true. You really don’t need or want facts to support your beliefs. I’m not surprised..

        • Justthefacts

          Reread the 2013 insert. It does not say what you think it says. That is a classic anti-vaxx believer meme. Making up thinks that are not true.

          • Diddly doo

            Hey fuckthefacts – if the insert says that there are no rigorous trials that show the vaccine prevents flu that’s what it says – what kind of vaccine belief woo system have you got there!

          • Justthefacts

            Except you can’t point that out. I guess your faith is strong enough that you can see anything.

      • Tids1960

        The reason why there are no controlled trials is because it is impossible to do controlled trials on humans. That’s right, impossible. This is because it would require studies of two groups: one vaccinated, and one control group intentionally unvaccinated. This is unethical, becauise it involves a disease that has been demonstrated to be lethal. People die from influenza. Controlled trials of this vaccine would require intentionally allowing people in the control group to contract a disease with a very real probability of causing death. That is immoral and illegal. Therefore, there cannot be any controlled trials. ~ E.W. Modemac

        Vaccines, as with all products regulated by FDA, undergo a rigorous review of laboratory and clinical data to ensure the safety, efficacy, purity and potency of these products. Vaccines approved for marketing may also be required to undergo additional studies to further evaluate the vaccine and often to address specific questions about the vaccine’s safety, effectiveness or possible side effects. ~ FDA
        .
        .
        Are you calling the FDA a liar ?
        .
        .
        (o=

        • I don’t see anything contradictory in your quote. So?

          • Tids1960

            Figures…
            So you admit you push drugs without any studies…?
            PRICELESS

          • RobertAllen1

            Just where did E. W. Mdemac admit to this, you f*g liar?

          • Diddly doo

            I don’t see anything rational or scientific in your reply – please advise!

          • Ah, I see. Your way of wasting our time is to repeat what we say and change it to drivel. Got it.

        • Diddly doo

          “Are you calling the FDA a liar ?” sewagetide

          Well, I don’t usually shout in bold – The FDA are not liars – they are astute business people and doing very well. What do you call them?

          • Tids1960

            Criminals

          • RobertAllen1

            You’re the one who has no medical qualifications, yet attempts to sh*t on the work of those who do and pass off his ignorance, fraud, lying and cheating on the general public to its detriment. That makes you the criminal, m*rf*r.

        • Diddly doo

          “Controlled trials of this vaccine would require intentionally allowing
          people in the control group to contract a disease with a very real
          probability of causing death.That is immoral and illegal. Therefore,
          there cannot be any controlled trials. ~ E.W. Modemac”

          It is more unethical to tell someone they are protected with a vaccine that has not been shown to work! Like the 3% effectiveness in last years flu vaccine – they always have the ‘wrongs strain gambit’ to play though, wish I had thought of that.

          I can’t believe I have found some people who believe in flu woo – it’s fascinating – actually believing that a vaccine protects!

      • Diddly doo

        E bigmac, this is vaccine weasel, the reason they don’t do controlled trials is because it would show up how crap the product is. You need to have a chat with fuckthefacts because he seems to think it’s all up to date now and there have been some ‘robust’ trials done – probably fucked all the scientists that published the original leaflet – how silly of me.

        • RobertAllen1

          As you know this for a fact, you should have no problem proving it.
          Now, how about a rundown of your medical qualifications, including fields of specialization, background, education and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals. Without them, you are in no position to claim that the vaccines are crap, you f*g fraud

      • Jackson Ayres

        I know I’m late to the party, but how can people think that Pharma, the FDA, the CDC, and whatnot are involved in some huge conspiracy to falsify vaccine data, while simultaneously trying to use inserts as evidence of it? Surely, those inserts cannot be trusted in the insert, and clinical trials could easily be masked by the conspiracy followed by the provision of fake data. This raises the question of why the conspiracy would state anything true on an insert and why they’d want you to think that vaccines were ineffective/dangerous. Does the evil vaccine pushing conspiracy not want people vaccinated?

        • I can’t tell if that’s a Poe or not. It’s so silly, I’ve got to believe it is. In that case, welcome to this blog.

          If you really think there’s a conspiracy, with let’s say 1 million employees of Big Pharma, the CDC, the FDA, the EUs EMA, and so many else, and with easy access to social media, blogs, whatever, that the secret wouldn’t have been out by now?

          Let’s just say I’m skeptical of the conspiracy.

          Still think you’re a well-educated Poe.

        • Welcome to anti-vaxxer logic 101. Or rather, illogical logic.

    • Justthefacts

      You do realize that you are now the perfect example for the article, right? You misread the insert and act on it because you don’t understand the technical aspects of the insert. You also must have an old insert. The 2013 insert doesn’t say that. Understanding which insert to read is also important. new information is available every day.
      .
      The simplest answer is that you are wrong. The 2013 insert does not say that.
      .

      • Diddly doo

        Hi justthefucks. Nice weasel there, I suppose they realised how bad this looks and fiddled the facts. So one year later we now have the magikal robust trial and everything is hunky. Really glad you did a heads up there, all you need to do now is work out how to get it out!

        Did you have a flu vaccine or is that for other people only.

        • Justthefacts

          That sounds like sour grapes after having your mistake pointed out. It would have been easier just to say you were wrong. Now you leave the impression that you are just driven by blind dogma and don’t care what is right or not.
          .
          Just kidding. I knew you where a fanatic anti-vaxxer with your first post when you lied saying “without being paranoid or antivax or provax”. The insults after having your mistake pointed out confirms it.

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  • bev

    There are many doctors and scientist in this “cult.”

    The idea that adults and their children would be forced to submit to being injected with dozens of these organisms and organic fragments is terrifying. No regulatory agency is tracking to see if chronic diseases are rising in the vaccinated, yet we have compelling evidence of a massive rise in all autoimmune diseases, neurodegenerative diseases, and certain cancers since the advent of a dramatic increase in the number of vaccines being mandated.

    Of special concern is the finding that many of the contaminant organisms can pass from generation to generation. For example, new studies have found that SV-40, a major contaminant of the polio vaccine until 1963, not only existed as a latent virus for the lifetime of those exposed to the vaccine but was being passed on to the next generation, primarily by way of sperm, something called vertical transmission. This means that every generation from now on will be infected with this known carcinogenic virus. There is also compelling evidence that some polio vaccines manufactured after 1963 may contain SV-40 virus.

    What makes the SV-40 contamination disaster of such concern is its association with so many cancers – including mesothelioma, medulloblastoma, ependymoma, meningioma, astrocytoma, oligodendroglioma, pituitary adenoma, glioblastoma, osteosarcomas, non-Hodgkins lymphoma, papillary thyroid carcinomas, and anaplastic thyroid carcinomas.

    The Federal government has gone to enormous lengths to cover up this association, despite the powerful scientific evidence that this vaccine infected at least a hundred million people worldwide with this carcinogenic virus. And, it took over 40 years just to get this far. Linking vaccine contaminations and immunoexcitotoxicity to the drastic rise in neurodegenerative diseases will probably take even longer because of the widespread growth of entrenched powers high in government and their control of the media, which is equally extensive. The fact that powerful, enormously wealthy foundations, such as the Ford Foundation, Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, and Rockefeller series of foundations, are supporting forced vaccination greatly enhances the power of governments all over the World.

    These foundations operate in the shadows, influencing legislation and government actions through the World Health Organization and individual governmental bodies. Behind every call for forced vaccinations, mandated quarantines, and home invasions, one can find one of these foundations providing the money as well as experts. Remember, the largest of the pharmaceutical-vaccine manufacturers are also providing much of the money for the foundations and serving on the boards of these foundations. The Rockefellers either owned outright or had controlling interest in all of the major pharmaceutical companies. This has given them absolute and extremely powerful access to the reins of power at all levels. Yet, they can be defeated by the truth.

    ————————————————–
    Dr. Blaylock is a board-certified neurosurgeon, author and lecturer. He attended the LSU School of Medicine in New Orleans, Louisiana and completed his internship and neurosurgical residency at the Medical University of South Carolina in Charleston, South Carolina. For the past 24 years he has practiced neurosurgery in addition to having a nutritional practice for 2 years. Retiring from his neurosurgical practice to devote full time to nutritional studies and research, Dr. Blaylock has written and illustrated three books (Excitotoxins: The Taste That Kills, Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life, and Natural Strategies for The Cancer Patient). In addition, he has written and illustrated three chapters in medical textbooks, written a booklet on nutritional protection against biological terrorism, has an e-booklet on radioprotection (Nuclear Sunrise), written and illustrated a booklet on multiple sclerosis, and written over 30 scientific papers in peer-reviewed journals

    • Appeal to Authority, and an authority that has precious little knowledge about science, vaccines, epidemiology, virology or anything else. Boring.

      • Diddly doo

        What like Bill and Melinda computer! They just have lots of money and not a lot of sense! How about quoting the CDC Septic runter? Shitation required please.

    • Lola Knudsen

      “These foundations operate in the shadows, influencing legislation and government actions through the World Health Organization and individual governmental bodies.” Please seek help.

    • Justthefacts

      And here is the rest of the story about “Dr. Blaylock” and his fear mongering:
      .
      Blaylock has retired from neurosurgery and has taken up a career opposing science-based medicine and promoting pseudoscience-based medicine and supplements that he sells under the label “Brain Repair Formula”. He suggests that his supplements can treat and prevent such diseases as Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s. He asserts that his formula “will maximize your brain’s ability to heal and reduce inflammation.” The rest of the scientific community seems oblivious to these claims, which are not based on large-scale clinical trials. Blaylock also sells hope to cancer patients by encouraging them to believe he has found the secret to prevention and cure.
      .
      Dr Blaylock is what is called a “quack” who is trying to con cancer patients.
      .
      Blaylock has claimed that the vaccine may be more dangerous than the swine flu because the vaccine contains squalene. No flu vaccine in the U.S. contains squalene, It was just fear mongering.

      .

    • Diddly doo


      Susan Humphries MD totally destroys septic polio mythology – I love the films of B52 bombers spraying Detroit with DDT in the name of public health and that snappy phrase by the FDA ‘DDT it’s good for me’.

      In the end it is natural selection, those dumb enough to believe in vaccination will ultimately pay the price for their choices. One day we will be able to parade the septic community like those religious nutters that are blowing up ancient cities – you know the year zero crew.

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  • Chris Sky

    This article is absolutely hilarious… so what they are saying is BIG PHARMA says vaccines are safe, and you dont believe them, so why would you believe Big Pharma, when they are legally requited to tell you all the side effects their vaccines.

    Now we call that VACCINE LOGIC 😀

    • Thomas

      what is hilarious is the irony of it all went right over your head, as well as the fact anti-vaxx cult members don’t even understand how to read the inserts.

      Thats was I call idiot conspiracy theory logic

      • Chris Sky

        Funny.. because Glaxo Smith Klein (largest vaccine maker in the world) was sued in Italy and the JUDGE ordered GSK to release it’s own 1271 page IN HOUSE REPORT on the SIDE EFFECTS of GSK’s vaccines….

        on page 626 in black and white, GSK’s own scientists list AUTISM as a “side effect” of their vacccines… along with pages and pages of other debilitating conditions, that are a direct result of vaccination.

        The only “cult” is the religion of the pro poison, vaccine crowd… which make up the dumbest, poorest, most easily manipulated sheep of society.

        Here’s the OFFICIAL GSK REPORT where the multibillion dollar corporation must admit the truth… they just dont’ have to ADMIT it in the USA, because 400 billion dollars a year, buys a lot of phony news stories, and politicians 😉

        https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

        but i guess you will say GSK’s own documenation is “irrelevant” because YOU SAY SO 😀 even though the GSK scientists admit it, and the courts in italy paid out tens of millions of dollars 😀

        • Thomas

          So one foreign labor court with a single unreliable expert trumps every single study on this subject that says otherwise? I get the feeling if a garbage collector released a study saying vaccines cause autism you idiots would be trumpeting that as well. Drug manufacturers have been sued many times for many different products as there is always someone who will have an adverse reaction to something. There have been many lawsuits for anti-biotics as well. Are anti-biotics dangerous and part of some giant conspiracy too?

          Yea anybody who’s not a loony anti-vaxx conspiracy theory wackjob willing to accept information from the very least reliable sources as truth are “sheep” right? Speaking of sheep, charletons like Alex Jones are thrilled he’s made an entire career out of idiots like yourself who’ll believe anything as long as it says what you want it to say regardless of the source.

          As has already been explained about package inserts and possible side effects of any drug, every possibility is listed. It doesn’t mean there is a link and it doesn’t mean the issue is widespread. The report also lists epilepsy. Is the rise in epilepsy because of vaccines too? I don’t buy your Young Earth Creationist worldwide conspiracy cop out for why virtually nobody in the scientific community agrees with you. The dangerous misinformation you spew about vaccines being “poison” is pretty much the exact same thing word for word the Taliban says about vaccines. The fact you describe the entire scientific community as well as 95% of the population to be dumb and poor pretty much illustrates how delusional and out of touch with reality you wackjobs are. You are vile TERRORISTS as far as I’m concerned who endanger us all.

          • Chris Sky

            Glaxo Smith Kleins’ 1271 page report was complied by DOZENS of SCIENTISTS with a HUGE SAMPLE GROUPS and was REQUIRED BY LAW TO REPORT these findings that were obviously very damaging.. but lets prtend like the Vaccine Manufacturers OWN STUDIES are “irrelevant” now 😀 simply because they are far too damaging to your religion that’s crumbling before your very eyes….

            and then lets mention WAKEFIELD and pretend like the GSK report had ANYTHING to do with his study.

            then call GSK’s stud “unreliable” a few more times 😀 it’s only 1271 pages long and done by a company with BILLIONS of dollars in Rearch budget…

            as far as the “whole scientific commuity” disagreeing with me… I can find literally THOUSANDS of quotes from doctors who are firmly opposed to vaccinations. 😉 you just watch too much TV, and are low IQ, low iformation moron, who keeps tossing out buzzwords compeltely unrelated to the informatino I presented hoping to discredit it and me.

            as for 95% of the population being dumb as rocks.. it’s closer to 90% of the population being absolute morons in the USA… and even THEY Are starting to wake up to this scam.. already the WEALTHY AND EDUCATED are refusing vaccines, (you wont’ find close the same Vaccine complainace at private school that you do public schools) so why are the smartest and richest people CHOOSING not to vaccinate?!

            and please explain for the world how a 1271 page report complied by the multi billion dollar big paharma company with every reason NOT to show a connection between vaccines and autism, showed a CLEAR connection in a very vast study… costing them tens of millions of dollars (in the short term… and defininitely much more in teh long term.) answer… you can’t explain why they would put this in their report unles they had NO CHOICE 😀

            but it’s “unreliable” because YOU SAID so.

            btw.. i like how you ended off with “Terrorist” just in case anybody had any wonder if you weren’t a paid for shill, talking straight out of your ass. as Karma would have it, if anybody is ever dumb enough to reporduce with you ( i doubt it) your child should deifnitley be of the now 1 in 85 autistic children in the usa. and when it happens 48 hours after one his 46 doses of poison you can go around telling everyboyd how the vaccine had “nothing to do with it”

          • TryToUseYourBrain

            “Thomas” ignores SO MUCH by simply continually focusing on what the Italian court did or didn’t do while IGNORING THE FACTS contained in the 1271 page report complied by the multi billion dollar big pharma company with every reason NOT to show a connection between vaccines and autism, showed a CLEAR connection in a very vast study… costing them tens of millions of dollars and having EVERY REASON to fund researcher’s that by all evidence will use all the means possible to come to a conclusion that their health products are “safe and effective” such as, but not limited to lying about findings, creatively interpreting results, omitting important information and fudging the numbers.

            These are biased and cherry picked results AND THEY STILL TELL YOU HOW DANGEROUS AND POTENTIALLY DEADLY THESE “Magic elixirs” really are.

            If that alone doesn’t get even the pro-“poison yourself & your children because it’s good for us all” zealots doubting the gospels of their religion, then their is no real “thinking” involved in their thought processes, they only regurgitate their programming.

            I am like you, I just don’t understand how so many seemingly smart people can still believe the corporate propaganda after all the easily found evidence that should at least make them AT LEAST start to question it.

          • Lola Knudsen

            Try to use your brain and Chris Sky have to be the same person. OR DO INSANE PEOPLE alternate CAP LOCKS and “Quote” things THAT DON’T NEED TO BE IN QUOTATIONS?

            I am so glad I stumbled on this site today. Bat shit crazy guy getting rekt on his ignorant vaccine stance and having to make a back up account to try to “help” himself out. Did I use those quotations right?

          • Justthefacts

            We actually read the entire report and not just one page like you. If you read section 6.2, you would understand what the report says. it doesn’t say what you want it to say.

          • Justthefacts

            Lets talk about that 1271 page report and maybe you cna explain how a vaccine caused a “spider bite” as reported on page 519? Do you think there could be a problem with the data?
            .
            I’ll be waiting…….

          • Justthefacts

            You misread the report. The data was raw. It means nothing.

          • Chris Sky

            that’s a complete lie. I didn’t “miss read” anything… the report is a list of KNOWN VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS and written besides each one is a “yes” or “no” for it being a documented side effect and under Autism on page 626 it says AUTISM… YES!

            there’s nothing to “mis read”… and THATS why the family was awarded millions based on that report! 😀 but nice try 😉

          • Justthefacts

            No it’s not. Section 6.2 of the report identified it as raw reported data. read the whole report, not just one page.
            .
            Here is a list of “other reported events:
            Arthropod bite (spyder bite) – Page 519
            Fall ( someone tripped) _page 519
            Fungal skin infection
            Ear infection
            Herpes simplex
            Herpes zoster
            Overdose
            Decreased appetite
            Dehydration
            Crying (my favorite page 574)
            Fear ( That’s right! FEAR) Page 577
            Tearfulness
            Breath holding ( a child held its breath for the shot)
            Staring
            Snoring

            So I guess now you are going to tell us that vaccines cause spyder bites.

          • Chris Sky

            LOL “section 6.2” doesn’t even EXIST! that’s how much of a liar you are! anybody with even a partially functional brain can read the table of contents and see that there is NO SECTION 6.2… then go to page 5 of the report (which is where section 6 is) and notice there is no “6.1” or “6.2” it just goes, straight to 7 and then 7.1 … once again there is NO SECTION 6.2! but it’s funny that you can “invent” things to back up your claims 😀

            I would LOVE for you to cite “Section 6.2” to prove your point! 😀
            not list a bunch of other (less serious) known side effects in the 1200 pages to make it seem like there are no harmful ones 😀

            “Section 6.2” that’s hilarious 😀 you’re a funny guy.

          • Justthefacts

            Section 6.2 on page 704. Funny, you found this section for your last post. Did you already forget?

          • Chris Sky

            https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

            Once again… Very easy to show that you are simply a bold face LIAR! 😀
            there is no “Section 6.2” … especially not one talking about “raw reported data” 😀

            anybody can click the link and read the table of contents! 😀

            there’s a section 6 (on page 5)

            which goes directly to section 7 on the same page… and then a section 7.1….

            please show me this “imaginary” “section 6.2” that proves your point…

            rather than listing a dozen OTHER (less harmful) side effects the vaccine is known to cause 😀

          • Justthefacts

            The data is from “spontaneous notifications”. here are some of those :spontaneous notifications”:

            Arthropod bite (spyder bite) – Page 519
            Fall ( someone tripped) _page 519
            Fungal skin infection
            Ear infection
            Herpes simplex
            Herpes zoster
            Overdose
            Decreased appetite
            Dehydration
            Crying (my favorite page 574)
            Fear ( Thats right! FEAR) Page 577
            Tearfulness
            Breath holding ( a child held its breath for the shot)
            Staring
            Snoring

            So I guess now you are going to tell us that vaccines cause spyder bites.

          • Chris Sky

            a small lis of Anti Vaccine Doctors in the USA who signed onto a book called “The Truth About Vaccines” you’re right though.. i bet i can’t even find like another 10,000 different doctors who will speak out against vaccines. (meanwhile they are getting paid nothing and evne being threatened and attacked) vs the Docs who will get UNLIMITED funding to do studies which produce pre fabricated results 😀

            Nicola Antonucci, MD Isaac Golden, ND Amber Passini, MD David Ayoub, MD Gary Goldman, PhD Ronald Peters, MD, MPH Nancy Turner Banks, MD Garry Gordon, MD, DO, MD(H) Jean Pilette, MD Timur Baruti, MD Doug Graham, DC Pat Rattigan, ND Danny Beard, DC Boyd Haley, PhD Zoltan Rona, MD, MSc Françoise Berthoud, MD Gayl Hamilton, MD Chaim Rosenthal, MD Russell Blaylock, MD Linda Hegstrand, MD, PhD Robert Rowen, MD Fred Bloem, MD James Howenstine, MD Máximo Sandín, PhD Laura Bridgman, FNP, ND Suzanne Humphries, MD Len Saputo, MD Kelly Brogan, MD Belén Igual Diaz, MD Michael Schachter, MD Sarah Buckley, MD Philip Incao, MD Viera Scheibner, PhD Rashid Buttar, DO Joyce Johnson, ND Penelope Shar, MD Harold Buttram, MD A. Majid Katme, MBBCh, DPM Bruce Shelton, MD, MD(H) Lisa Cantrell, RN Tedd Koren, DC Debbi Silverman, MD Lua Català Ferrer, MD Alexander Kotok, MD, PhD Kenneth “KP” Stoller, MD Jennifer Craig, PhD, BSN, MA Eneko Landaburu, MD Terri Su, MD Robert Davidson, MD, PhD Luc Lemaire, DC Didier Tarte, MD Ana de Leo, MD Janet Levatin, MD Leigh Ann Tatnall, RN Carlos de Quero Kops, MD Thomas Levy, MD, JD Adiel Tel-Oren, MD, DC Carolyn Dean, MD, ND Stephen L’Hommedieu, DC Sherri Tenpenny, DO Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH Paul Maher, MD, MPH Renee Tocco, DC Todd M. Elsner, DC Andrew Maniotis, PhD Demetra Vagias, MD, ND Jorge Esteves, MD Steve Marini, PhD, DC Franco Verzella, MD Edward “Ted” Fogarty, MD Juan Manuel Martínez Méndez, MD Julian Whitaker, MD Jack Forbush, DO Sue McIntosh, MD Ronald Whitmont, MD Milani Gabriele, CRNA, RN Richard Moskowitz, MD Betty Wood, MD Sheila Gibson, MD, BSc Sheri Nakken, RN, MA Eduardo Ángel Yahbes, MD Mike Godfrey, MBBS Christiane Northrup, MD – See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/02/13/vaccines-get-the-full-story/#sthash.sJ0Q19tQ.dpuf

          • Thomas

            And 911 conspiracy theorists have a website with several signatures of “Architects and Engineers for Truth” who claim 911 was a conspiracy. I don’t want to see signatures, I want to see their research. Cite one single reputable study that supports any of your paranoid fantasies. So far you have followed pretty much ever loony conspiracy theory fallacy to a tee. Referring to claims from discredited sources, citing a few doctors while ignoring the VAST majority who say otherwise, drawing conclusions from anecdotes, etc.
            95% of the population is dumb as rocks because they reject your paranoid delusions based on junk science and logical fallacies? Quite the contrary, conspiracy theories appeal to the very most stupid of the population as a defense mechanism. Its easier to think you’ve figured out some puzzle or have some inside information nobody else has rather then admit you’re a fucking imbecile with a keyboard who thinks you’re qualified to give medical advice. Admit it moron: You are willing to accept information from discredited sources as long as it says what you want. Given this fact, what possible reason would anyone have to take seriously anything you have to say?
            I hate to break the news to you there tin foil hatter, but you and the Taliban’s anti-vaxx conspiracy theory nonsense is quickly going the same way as every other goofy conspiracy theory like the 911 inside job nonsense, Young Earth Creationism and the New World Order paranoia. My guess is you also believe in one or more of them like most insane anti-vaxx creeps who in reality are made up of mostly religious wackos, new age hippy alternative medicine dopes and conspiracy theorists.
            And please stop pretending you know how to read or understand medical literature.
            Gee I wonder whats more likely. That virtually every reputable science and medical institution the world over are involved in some giant cover up, or that a bunch of loony anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists on the internet are full of shit. Wow. Thats a hard one. The fact you are repeating the EXACT same propaganda word for word as the freaking Taliban should give you pause. You are a TERRORIST scumbag spreading junk science and endangering people’s lives.

          • Chris Sky

            once again.. can’t talk about 1271 page Glaxo Smith Klein report, so lets mention something compeltely unrelated, that has nothing to do with anything I said, and try to DENY. DEFLECT and make people forget about what’s important…

            as trasnparent as my windows after the maid leaves! you’re a pathetic loser.

            once again plesae DISCREDIT the 1271 page Glaxo Smith Klein report.. sayinng “conspriacy thoery” “debunked” or any other buzzword you were taught, doesn’t change TRUtH, FACTS and REALITY 🙂 no matter how much you attempt to muddy the waters:D

            #FAIL.

          • Thomas

            The Italian court decision which was overturned was not based on that 1271 page Glaxo Smith Klein report you have misinterpreted because you are an imbecile with a keyboard who doesn’t know how to read medical literature. The court decision was based on the testimony of an “expert” who relied on the fake research of Wakefield. Funny, the court doesn’t seem to consider that document to be the smoking gun you do. The fact you think this is unrelated tells me the only “research” you’ve done on this topic is to visit anti-vaxx conspiracy theory websites while ignoring what actual adults here in the sane world have to say on this subject. Feeling stupid yet?

            Typing in all caps like a raving lunatic does not make something true regardless of how much loony conspiracy theorists and religious wackos think it does. You are a vile piece of shit spreading the exact same junk science based hysteria as the Taliban. Scum like you are guilty of bio-terrorism as far as I’m concerned and deserve your fucking teeth kicked in.

            The Anti-Vaxx Jihad

            Court Rulings Don’t Confirm Autism-Vaccine Link
            http://www.forbes.com/sites/emilywillingham/2013/08/09/court-rulings-dont-confirm-autism-vaccine-link/

            Let me guess. Forbes is in on the big cover up too right tin foil hatter terrorist?

          • Chris Sky

            “the Italian court decision which was overturned”

            http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/01/recent-italian-court-decisions-on-vaccines-and-autism.html

            as anybody with a brain can see.. the Italin Court Decisoin was NOT over turned… and the family was awarded PLENTY OF money! and it had NOTHING to do with Wakefield 😉

            “Presiding Judge Nicola Di Leo considered another piece of damning evidence: a 1271-page confidential GlaxoSmithKline report (now available on the Internet). This industry document provided ample evidence of adverse events from the vaccine, including five known cases of autism resulting from the vaccine’s administration during its clinical trials ”

            citing the 1271 page GSK document.. not some “unknown expert” 😉

            keep it up though.

            by the way.. Vaccine Injury Compensation Fund in the USA has already paid out over 4 BILLION in VACCINE DAMAGES…

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            1 dollar per vaccination event goes to the fund. That literally means that there have been 4 billion adverse event free vaccination events. 4000 compensated injuries is roughly equal to 1 in a million chance of injury from vaccination. The risk for injury from the wild diseases are much higher.

          • Chris Sky

            ya… that’s why the Autism rate in the USA is less than 1 in 80… that’s over 1% of babies being autisitic in the nation that gives more vaccines than anywhere else.

            the USA also hsa the highest infant mortality rate (Babies dying before their 1st birthday)

            but you’re right… the vaccinees have nothing to do with it! 😀

            Glaxo Smit Klein’s own 1200 page document, which was RELEASED BY LAW due to the lawsuit, expplicity states AUTISM as a known side effect on page 623 of thier own IN HOUSE medical study 😀

            but nope… vaccines are wonderful! 😀
            please inject your child with 40 doses of poison. we need to eliminate as many stupid people as possible.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Diagnostic shifting accounts for most of the increase in reported cases. As autism reports have increased other developmental disability diagnoses have decreased.

            TI
            The contribution of diagnostic substitution to the growing administrative prevalence of autism in US special education.
            AU
            Shattuck PT
            SO
            Pediatrics. 2006;117(4):1028.

            OBJECTIVE: Growing administrative prevalence of autism has stirred public controversy and concern. The extent to which increases in the administrative prevalence of autism have been associated with corresponding decreases in the use of other diagnostic categories is unknown. The main objective of this study was to examine the relationship between the rising administrative prevalence of autism in US special education and changes in the use of other classification categories.
            METHODS: The main outcome measure was the administrative prevalence of autism among children ages 6 to 11 in US special education. Analysis involved estimating multilevel regression models of time-series data on the prevalence of disabilities among children in US special education from 1984 to 2003.
            RESULTS: The average administrative prevalence of autism among children increased from 0.6 to 3.1 per 1000 from 1994 to 2003. By 2003, only 17 states had a special education prevalence of autism that was within the range of recent epidemiological estimates. During the same period, the prevalence of mental retardation and learning disabilities declined by 2.8 and 8.3 per 1000, respectively. Higher autism prevalence was significantly associated with corresponding declines in the prevalence of mental retardation and learning disabilities. The declining prevalence of mental retardation and learning disabilities from 1994 to 2003 represented a significant downward deflection in their preexisting trajectories of prevalence from 1984 to 1993. California was one of a handful of states that did not clearly follow this pattern.
            CONCLUSIONS: Prevalence findings from special education data do not support the claim of an autism epidemic because the administrative prevalence figures for most states are well below epidemiological estimates. The growing administrative prevalence of autism from 1994 to 2003 was associated with corresponding declines in the usage of other diagnostic categories.
            AD
            Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI 53705, USA. shattuck@waisman.wisc.edu
            PMID
            16585296

          • Facts. We don’t need no steenkeen facts. Because what’s the chance they’ll read it.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Probably zero but I am trying to inoculate that middle group on the continuum who can be swayed by the intellectually challenged.

          • Chris Sky

            that’s a nice lie… meanwhile “diagnostic shifting” only “increased exponentially” in the USA! places like Sweden and Finland (and any other country with significantly lower vaccination schedules) see autism still in the 1 in 100’000’s vs the 1 in 80 in the USA! 😀 but nice try.

          • Justthefacts

            you post anti-vaxx sites and everyone else posts actual international data. You are the one with the cognitive dissonance issue.
            The entire European vaccination schedule matched the US.

            http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccine-schedules-and-infant-mortality-a-false-relationship-promoted-by-the-anti-vaccine-movement/

          • Chris Sky

            it’s a well known FACT (from the CDC, WHO etc) that the USA autism rate is now 1 in 85 whereas places like Iceland with the lowest vaccination rates in the world are LESS than 1 in 1000.

            it’s also a well known fact that the USA which spends EXPONENTIALLY more privately on “healthcare” than any other nation and gives the most vaccines to children, is now 34th in infant mortality rate.

            so once again

            USA is #1 with vaccines given (higher than canada, uk and Asutralia.. so stop lying!)

            #1 with autism, add, obesity, diabetes, asthma, food allergies

            and a paltry #34 (being beaten by nations like CUBA and BRUNEI) in babies dying!

            http://www.fourteenstudies.org/nowwhat.html

            it’s funny you attack who did the study, but the only “Studies” you cite all can be traced to be funded by Big Pharma! 😀 and even though you attack who made the study, you can’t attack the information

            everybody knows USA leads the world in vaccines given and autism.. you pretending like we shouldn’t listen to these facts, because it came from (according to you) “an unreliable source” doesn’t make the facts suddenly not true 😀

            but it’s obvious you’re getting paid to troll all my conversations and stand up for your employer.. big pharma . But Truth, and common sense win EVERY TIME.

          • Justthefacts

            Nope. That’s not true:

            Map: 113 countries have higher measles immunization rates than the U.S. for 1-year-olds

            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/03/map-113-countries-have-higher-measles-immunization-rates-than-the-u-s-for-1-year-olds/
            .
            85% of the worlds children have been vaccinated. You have no idea.
            .
            Your link uses data from 2006 which is the only year before or since where the data lines up for you. That’s called cherry picking. If you use any other year, there is no correlation at all.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Sweden has essentially the same recommendations as the CDC. See http://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/pagefiles/20468/vaccination-barn-foraldrar_broschyr.pdf and http://www.euvac.net/graphics/euvac/vaccination/sweden.html . They delay the first MMR but that is about it for their pediatric schedules.

            Diagnostic shifting is causing an increase in autism in Sweden just like the US.

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25922345

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25475364

            Finland essentially the same as CDC. Only difference is Hep b recommendation.

            http://www.euvac.net/graphics/euvac/vaccination/finland.html

            Of course you will have to take time to work through some Swedish but the schedule is the same.

            Denmark studied the incidence of autism. It is about the same as the USA. (Denmark is quite similar to both Sweden and Norway from an ethnic and linguistic standpoint.) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24554161

            Your attempts to defend your position are pitiful and deluded.

          • VikingAPRNCNP
          • Katia

            “the nation that gives more vaccines than anywhere else.”

            Lie. We’re on the high end, but we don’t give the most.

          • Chris Sky

            LIE. name 1 nation who gives more vaccines?! 😀 you can’t!

            name 1 country with higher autism? you can’t!
            there are 33 countries with a LOWER infant mortality rate (Babies dying before 1st birthday)
            USA babies are NUMBER 1 in the WORLD for 1)obsity, 2)Autism 3)diabetes. 4)ADD 5)Asthma, 6)food allergies.

            but it has “nothing to do with the vaccines ” 😉

            so name me the country that gives more vaccines than the now 36-40 the USA gives?

          • Katia

            The UK gives more infant vaccines than we do. Canada gives more. Australia does. Happy? Document the rest of your crap.

          • Chris Sky

            Lie LIE LIE and more lies!

            this is a few years old…. so the numbers are even higher! but

            USA – 36

            Canada- 28

            UK- 20

            Australia- 27

            but keep making things up! it’s called COGNITIVE DISSIONANCE… when sombody presents EVIDENCE that challenges your pre programmed phony belief system, you will do all kinds of “mental gymnastics” (like outright LYING) to PROTECT your PROGRAMMING! 😀

            in reality…. you’re just somebody saying things that just aren’t factually correct! 😀

            and unlike you… here’s PROOF~!

            http://vactruth.com/history-of-vaccine-schedule/

          • Katia

            I’m sure you haven’t looked at the UK, Australia and Canada, have you?
            Canada: http://healthycanadians.gc.ca/healthy-living-vie-saine/immunization-immunisation/children-enfants/schedule-calendrier-table-1-eng.php
            In infancy, DTaP, Polio, Hib, Hep B, MMR, Chickenpox (at 1 year), Rotavirus, PCV-13, Influenza and one we don’t use, Meningitis C.
            UK: http://vaccine-schedule.ecdc.europa.eu/Pages/Scheduler.aspx DTaP, Polio, Hib, PCV-13, MMR, Rotavirus, Hep B for “at risk” kids, Men C, BCG for at risk kids, no Chickenpox.
            Australia: http://www.immunise.health.gov.au/internet/immunise/publishing.nsf/Content/national-immunisation-program-schedule, Hep B (starts at birth), DTaP, Polio, Hib, PCV-13, Rotavirus, MMR, Meningitis C; no chickenpox until 18 mo.
            These are the most up to date sites on the web.
            The US does give Hepatitis A vaccine which none of these countries do, so it’s about a wash.

            You’re buds at Vac Lies are being quite disingenuous (that means lying). They’re probably counting diphtheria, tetanus, and pertussis as separate in the US but not in these others, etc. Lying liars lie lots.

          • Chris Sky

            here’s an EASY TO READ CHART with cute colours, since you obviously can’t read.

            which country is NUMBER 1 on the list ?? USA!!!!!!!!! leaving other countries in the dust! and since this chart, the number of vaccines has gone from 36 doses to 49, so they have pulled even FURTHER ahaed of the rest of the wrold (in vaccines given and autistic children!)

            http://vactruth.com/history-of-vaccine-schedule/

            so whose lying? (or who just has no clue what they are talking about)

            you’re either a liar, or an ignorant fool.

          • Katia

            LOL! A chart of Vac Truth’s own making isn’t exactly solid evidence.

          • Chris Sky

            oh.. that’s GRAPH wasn’t “proof enough”

            well here you go… the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION computerized chart, where you simply click on the country, then click “OK” and it lists all the vaccines!

            since this is up to date, the USA is even MORE ahead of the pack with vaccines given! click USA then click “OK” and you will see that the USA now gives over 40 doses of injectable poison (almost 50) and once again LEADS THE WORLD in VACCINES GIVEN….. leads the world in Autism, ADD, obesity, diabtes, asthma, food allergies!

            but I guess with your COGNITIVE DISSONANCE… even the WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION simply listing all the vaccines isn’t “proof enough”

            funny i can keep posting multiple sources to prove my point.. .and all i get from you… is “your word” 😀

            i’ll take World Health Organization stats over “yourword” any day of the week! 😀 it’s called TRUTH and RELAITY,vs LIES and fantasy

            http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/globalsummary/schedules

          • Katia

            You have to understand the list. It lists all sorts of combination vaccines. For example, for the US under Diphtheria, Tetanus, Polio, HepB, and Hib products, it lists DT, DTaP, DTaP/HepB/Polio, DTaP/Hib/Polio, Hep B, IPV, Hib. A kid doesn’t get one of each of those vaccines. Those are vaccines that are AVAILABLE. An office or a practice may use any combination of these vaccines to give an infant one dose each of DTaP, IPV, Hib, and Hep B. If they choose not to use pertussis, they’ll substitute DT for DTaP. Too bad you don’t know anything about immunizations; you could discuss this more intellignetly, or I should say intelligently, since you are showing no intelligence re: vaccines presently.

          • Justthefacts

            Nope. You know nothing. 8 out of 10 children are vaccinated worldwide and china has a higher rate of vaccination than the US. That’s from YOUR TABLE.

          • Chris Sky

            here’sa WORLD WIDE REPORT from 2009

            along with “Vac Truth” and the “WHO” surprise! this HUGE REPORT on 34 countries shows

            1) number of vaccines gives

            2) autism rates

            3) infant mortality rate!

            and SURPRISE!

            USA 1) vaccines given

            1) autism

            34) (dead last) no pun intended in INFANT MORTALITY RATE! 😉

            so 3 completely unrelated sources all prove EXACTLY WHAT I SAID…. and all you have to “rebuke” it… is YOUR WORD 😀

            http://www.smartvax.com/images/PDF/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf

          • Katia

            There are 168 countries with higher infant mortality than the US, starting with Poland and ending with Afghanistan. Not all are in third world countries.
            https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

          • Justthefacts

            Cherry picked data from 2006. in any other year, before or since, there is no correlation at all. Maybe you should use a paper written by “Generation rescue”.
            .
            Did you notice that your paper has no Author?
            .
            There is no “expert” behind that report. Its a complete lie.

          • Justthefacts

            What year was that data cherry picked from? 1950? Really?

            Well now the U.S. is 35 out of 188 lowest and this from YOUR LINK. You are just wrong.

          • Justthefacts

            Hey! You still have not explained how vaccines cause spider bites. You need to explain that “data” you posted.

          • Your lame sarcasm aside, there is simply no fucking evidence that vaccines have anything to do with autism. But you go on being an ignorant jackass. I bet your momma is proud of you when she makes you lunch and brings it down to your hovel in her basement.

            Damn, I haven’t used the “mom’s basement” trope in years. It feels good to bring it back.

          • Chris Sky

            besides the ITalian court cases awarding millions after a law suit forced glaxo smith klein to publish their 1200 page in house document showing their KNOWN VACCINE SIDE EFFECTS, and it is written in black and white on page 626 “Autism” as with a “YES” as a “known side effect” .. the family won in court.. but nope… Glaxo Smith Klein.. who make the vaccine’s own documetation says “our vaccines can induce autism” and then the family was awarded millions.. but there was no “Evidence” that vaccines cause autism 😉

            here’s the RELEASED BY COURT ORDER, WRITTEN AND SIGNED by GSK’s doctors, 1271 pages of “vaccine side effects” and there you go… on page 626 there’s “Autism” and “yes” listed. 😉 STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH.

            and btw. I’ll pay more taxes this year, than you’ll collect from your wellfare check in the next two decades, because informed, intelligent people like me are the succesful ones… the ignorant, obviously unresearched fools, who throw out insults… you’re the ones living with mommy 😉

            here’s the official piece of evidence that won the family MILLIONS.. .the GSK 1271 page report… check out page 626
            https://autismoevaccini.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/vaccin-dc3a9cc3a8s.pdf

          • Justthefacts

            That’s the third time you have demonstrated that you can’t read a technical paper and you did read section 6.2 explaining that the data was raw, unedited reports that have not been verified. You really can’t read well, can you?

          • Chris Sky

            YEA! and thats’ the third time you demonstrated you’re a complete and utter liar, pulling things out of your ass! 😀

            please cite the wording from your MADE UP “Section 6.2” because a intelligent person can easily read the table of contents and see
            “Section 5. Patient Exposure”
            5.1 Market Experience
            6. Individual case histories
            7. studies
            7.1 newly-analysed studies.

            there is NO section “6.2” in the report.. .let alone a sectino “6.2” that says “These side effects don’t mean what they say they do”

            so once again all it takes is a simple click and a glance a table of contents (the flipping to page 5 of the report to watch it go from 6 straight 7, then 7.1) to confirm without a doubt, that you are 100% lying 😀

            of course you can easily prove me wrong and copy/pase the fabled “Section 6.2” which will clearly show I’m lying and you’re right 😀

          • Justthefacts

            No it’s not. Section 6.2 of the report identified it as raw reported data. read the whole report, not just one page.
            .
            Here is a list of “other reported events:
            Arthropod bite (spyder bite) – Page 519
            Fall ( someone tripped) _page 519
            Fungal skin infection
            Ear infection
            Herpes simplex
            Herpes zoster
            Overdose
            Decreased appetite
            Dehydration
            Crying (my favorite page 574)
            Fear ( Thats right! FEAR) Page 577
            Tearfulness
            Breath holding ( a child held its breath for the shot)
            Staring
            Snoring

            So I guess now you are going to tell us that vaccines cause spyder bites?

          • Chris Sky

            please cite the EXACT WORDING from the report that calls the reactions “Raw reported Data” 😀

          • Justthefacts

            Page 705, line 6
            “all serious cases from spontaneous notifications (including published reports and regulatory reports but excluding non-medically verified reports);
            – all unblinded serious cases arising from clinical trials considered related by sponsor or investigator;
            – all non-serious unlisted cases from spontaneous notifications (including published reports but excluding non-medically verified reports and reports received solely from regulatory authorities).

            FROM SPONTANEOUS NOTIFICATIONS!!!!!!!

            By the way, you still have not explained how vaccines cause spider bites as listed on page 519. Explain to me how THAT is accurate data.

          • Diddly doo

            Chris, there is only 4 of them – I hope someone is praying for them…………

          • Diddly doo

            The septic rantor drivels again……………………

          • Mike Stevens

            US infant mortality rates have dropped from 30 to around 6 since routine vaccines were introduced.

            How does that square with your pet theory?

            “USA also hsa the highest infant mortality rate “
            BS.
            Globally, there are 46 countries with lower IMR than the USA, and 175 with higher IMR. Most of those with a worse IMR have very poor vaccination coverage.

          • Chris Sky

            Right now the USA is 34th in the world for infant mortality rate! that means there are 33 countries with LESS babies dying than in the USA… in all 33 countires that have less babies dying.. guess what… They ALL GIVE LESS VACCINES THAN THE USA! 😀 the usa “loses” to countries like “Brunei” and “Cuba”! 😀 and then you say “…well the other countries behind the USA have low vaccines rates too.”… ya… they also have no healthcare, no food, no clean water, no sewage or sanitation which are the REAL factors for spreading disease so they don’t count… lets worry abou the 33 countries that spent exponentially LESS on “healthcare” give LESS vaccines.. and have LESS children dying… EXPONENTIALLY less autistic children, less children with Asthma, ADD, Diabetes, less children with FOOD ALLERGIES… less SIDS

            and then answer what could be so different in the first year of a USA babies life that it is so much more prone to all these DISEASES and even DEATH?

            could it be the dozens of injectable poisons? 😉
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate#UN_United_States

          • Justthefacts

            The U.S. is 35 out of 188 fro 3005 to 2010 which is not bad. the lowest four, Singapore , Iceland, Luxembourg and Sweden vaccinate as much or more than the US.
            .
            Thanks for proving clear proof that infant mortality rates and vaccines are unrelated.

          • Chris Sky

            you’re such a plain bold face liar!

            Sweden, Iceland, Norway vaccinate the LEAST

            USA Vaccinates the MOST (more than ANY OTHER COUNTRY)
            Iceland has Autism rates of less than 1 in 1000… while USA sits at 1 in 85 and rising by the friggin minute!

            you are just a plain bold face, paid for liar 😀 it’s amusing.

          • Justthefacts

            check it yourself:

            Map: 113 countries have higher measles immunization rates than the U.S. for 1-year-olds
            https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/02/03/map-113-countries-have-higher-measles-immunization-rates-than-the-u-s-for-1-year-olds/

            Iceland – same
            Sweden – more
            Norway – same

            Your sources suck.

          • Chris Sky

            Im not saying “higher immunization rates” and you KNOW That.

            I’m saying total number of vaccines injected into children before their 6th birthday.

            NOT total number of children vaccinated as a % of population

            TOTAL NUMBER OF VACCINES INJECTED INTO KIDS
            and the USA leads the world in VAccines given (not % of children vaccinated)
            as well as Autism, Obseity, Diabetes, SIDS, ADD, Asthma, and food allergies.

            but keep pretending like you don’t know what Im saying and twisting into something it’s not 😀

          • Justthefacts

            I posted facts and sources. You are the one trying twist out something in your favor.
            .
            FACT: 113 countries have vaccinations rates HIGHER than the US and the autism rate does NOT track with vaccination rate. The infant mortality rate does not track with vaccination rate in any other year than 2006.
            .
            You have no correlation of the data. You are wrong. You pay too much attention to the lies and propaganda on the anti-vaxx sites. Facts are facts. You can’t change that.

          • Diddly doo

            I think we need to know if these septic arses get the yearly flu vaccine? If so it might explain their inability to discuss anything useful. I mean they continually quote medical peer review which is like quoting George Bush on foreign relations.

            I love it here, it is a bit like shooting twats in a barrel.

          • Justthefacts

            You are shooting blanks.

          • Justthefacts

            Except that you are shooting blanks.

          • Mike Stevens

            So you DO accept that the determinants of IMR are far more numerous than merely vaccination schedules?

            How paradoxically delicious!

            PS: I note you have evaded the question I posed –
            Why has US IMR declined 5-fold since the widespread introduction of vaccines, if vaccines cause a “rise” in IMR?

          • Reality022

            To the point of a sensitive dose-response relationship if the woo²s laughable logic is to be believed.

            Mike, the answer to your question is:
            (tinfoil on)
            Konspiracee!!!111!!!!
            (tinfoil off)

          • Chris Sky

            LOL the infant mortality rate declined 5 fold since the widespread application of sewage systems and access to clean water, which happend to coincide with the vaccines movement!

            why is the USA that gives MORE VACCINES THAN ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD and spend EXPONENTIALLY more on “healthcare” than any other

            have an infant mortality rate at number 34 in the world! (behind countries like CUBA and BRUNEI!)

            please also explain how the USA – #! in vaccines given #1 in money spent
            #1 in autism, sids, diabetes, obseity, ADD, Asthma, Food Allergies

            … and 34th in babies dying!

          • Mike Stevens

            But…but…vaccines are meant to increase the IMR, surely?

          • Katia

            “LOL the infant mortality rate declined 5 fold since the widespread
            application of sewage systems and access to clean water, which happend
            to coincide with the vaccines movement!”

            I saw this the other day. It came with a graphic but my system doesn’t seem to “do” pictures.
            In 1802 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated SMALLPOX
            In 1914 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated TYPHOID
            In 1925 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated DIPHTHERIA
            In 1937 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated YELLOW FEVER
            In 1954 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated POLIO
            In 1964 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated MEASLES
            In 1969 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated RUBELLA
            in 2006 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated ROTAVIRUS

            Now those dates are a little different in some cases from what I know of, but do you get the point? If clean water and a healthy diet eliminated disease, why did it happen in different years for different diseases?

          • Mike Stevens

            And why, by sheer coincidence, did the clean water eliminate the disease right after the vaccine for the disease was introduced?

          • Katia

            Good question! I’ll let some of our AVers answer.

          • CharlieB1972

            That’s because there are many different sanitations, of course! Each disease has its own sanitation:

            1. Smallpox sanitation wiped out smallpox by 1977.
            2. Polio sanitation has polio on the brink of eradication.
            3. Measles sanitation has been very successful in bringing down deaths from measles in developing countries over the past few decades. We still have a ways to go yet, with nearly 150,000 deaths per year from measles.
            4. Progress on flu sanitation hasn’t been nearly as good.

          • RobertAllen1

            Could it be because everyone of these statements is false?

            I got kicked off the one site. So I thought I would post to you on this one to let you know once again how much I appreciate your FACUTAL posts. People with no medical credentials pretending to know more than those with them are as dangerous as the diseases themselves.

            Out of curiosity, do you have any interest in epigenetics?

          • Katia

            Thank you! I’m interested in epigenetics, but I have zero background.

          • RobertAllen1

            I am interested in epigenetics as it relates to evolution and have just finished “Evolution in Four Dimensions” by Eva Jablonka’si and Marion J. Lamb. You might wish to check out Dr. Jablonka’s video of the same name https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aMuXOFnp7k as well as a number of others which You Tube has to offer on epigenetics. As you are obviously in the health care industry. I thought these would be of interest to you.

            P.S. “In 1802 clean water and a healthy diet eliminated SMALLPOX,” as evidence by the Pennsylvania Epidemic of 1860-1861, the British Columbia epidemic of 1862, the 1865-1873 epidemics in Philadelphia, New York, Boston and New Orleans, the 1877 epidemic in Los Angeles and the 1902 epidemic again in Boston.

          • Mike Stevens

            “have an infant mortality rate at number 34 in the world! (behind countries like CUBA”

            I see Cuba gives 41 vaccines, including the evil whole cell Pertussis, by the age of 16.
            It achieves very high levels of uptake.
            http://apps.who.int/immunization_monitoring/globalsummary/schedules

            Perhaps that is why its IMR is lower than that in the USA?

          • Katia

            “It achieves very high levels of uptake.”

            Yeah, probably “get vaxed or face firing squad”. (J/K!)

          • Chris Sky

            the usa gives over 40 vaccines by the time a child is 5 years old! 😀 but nice try 😉 and THATs why they have such a high infant mortality rate
            (along with the highest rates of autism, sids, obesity, diabetes, add, and food alleries.)

          • Mike Stevens

            If you just look at vaccines given before the age of one (which is when IMR is measured), there is little difference between the USA and most other countries.

            I guess Miller and Goldman didn’t think about that little difficulty, did they?

          • Chris Sky

            that’s a lie… a list of vaccines given by country shows that USA gives significantly more shots to children under 5 than any other nation in the world. with Canada, Australia, Uk coming in second-fourth.

            but only the USA which gives the most vaccines leads the world in
            1) autism
            2) sids
            3) obesity
            4)diabetes
            5)ADD
            6)food alllergies (like peanuts, when vaccines have Peanut Oil in them!)
            7) Asthma

            and out of 34 top coutnries int he world the usa is 34th in INFANT MORTALITY RATE (babies dying before 1 year old.)
            and before you say “they calculate mortality different in the USA”

            out of the top 34 countries, 15 calculate mortality EXACTLY the same… and guess what… USA is DEAD LAST (pun intended) behind the other 14 countries that calculate infant mortality the same (Who standards) yet give LESS vaccines, and less incidence of the 7 “conditions” that are oh so common in the USA

          • Mike Stevens

            Care to name one vaccine on the schedule that contains peanut oil?
            I’ll give you $10,000 if you can.

          • Chris Sky

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130368/

            have a look.. peanut oil as “Antigens” were WIDESPREAD in vaccines…. a decade or two before all the “food allergies” started popping up 😉

            i’ll take that 10,000 dollars now.

          • Chris Sky

            the exact name for the FIRST PEANUT OIL in vaccines was

            “Adjuvant 65” and the peanut oil replaced contaminated cotton seed oil

            … but but but but…. you were told “no peanuts ever in vacccines” so I have to be “lying” right? it’s not like doctors and big pharma woudl be lying!

            adn teh fact that now almost 2% of the USA has a “food allergy”… that’s just an “unconnected coincidence”

            http://www.whale.to/vaccine/adjuvant_65.html

          • Chris Sky

            and here’s another article straight from the NEW YORK TIMES… what a wonderful name of the article.. it doesn’t mince words or leave room for “interpretation”

            http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9405E6DA113BE13ABC4152DFBF66838F679EDE

          • Chris Sky

            PEANUT OIL USED IN A NEW VACCINE; Product Patented for Merck Said to Extend Immunity VARIETY OF IDEAS IN NEW PATENTS

            a NEW YORK TIMES ARTICLE.

            i’ll take that 10,000 now 😀

            http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9405E6DA113BE13ABC4152DFBF66838F679EDE

          • Mike Stevens

            An experimental vaccine, never used, over 50 years old?
            My money is safe.

          • Chris Sky

            LOL “Experimental” it’s a patent for “Adjuvant 65” which was then used in COUNTLESS vaccines including the annual FLU SHOT!

            here’s a peer reviewed medical study posted about peoples “reactions” to “Adjuvant 65” aka PEANUT OIL DERIVED

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2130368/

            “experimental” 😀 should I link to the patent next, and then provide a list of vaccines that Merck created with “adjuvant 65” (peanut oil) in them as well?

            Denial is one thing… bold face lying to your self.. 😀 lol that’s beyond pathetic.

          • Chris Sky

            NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE published, peer reviewed report… showing how the WIDESPREAD, SUCCESSFUL USE of Adjuvant 65-4 (PEANUT OIL) in the seasonal flu vaccine, prompted it’s addition to CHILDREN’s VACCINES! and in this PEER REVIEWED PUBLISHED study from the NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF MEDICINE… children (and retarded people!) were injected with vaccines with PEANUT OIL in them 😉 surrrrrrrrrrpprisseeee! but don’t worry.. it had “favourable” results!

            http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM196701122760203

            lol but im sure you will come back with
            “that was the only time they ever injected people with peanut oil” 😀
            after first saying
            “i’ll give you 10,000 if you can show me one vaccine that contained peanut oil” well i’ve shown you more than one…

            I can’t wait to see the mental gymnastics you try to come up with the “explain” this one 😀

          • Mike Stevens

            I said “name one vaccine that is on the schedule”
            So let’s have a name and manufacturer, doofus.

          • Chris Sky

            considering that “adjuvants chemical make up” (aka the ingredients of the adjuvants) have been “protected” under “IPR” as a “formula” you’re legally not allowed to ask whats the adjuvant is made from… since 1973 now.

            furthermore… I’ve proved without any doubt that at LEAST Merck had widespread human use of peanut oil in vaccines in the 60’s and 70’s and that’s when peanut alllergies started showing up in the population!

            what other “food allergies” are now prevalent in the US (that never existed before vaccines) surprise.. all the foods used in producing vaccines like
            1) peanuts
            2) shell fish
            3) eggs
            4) wheat/gluten

            im sure that it’s all coincidence and not connected though… they vaccine manufacturers and their cronies at the FDA would have told us, for sure… meanwhile the FDA approved drugs like “Viox” as “Safe” and over half a million people died 😀 the FDA also approved “Aspartame” as safe… so Vaccines … they MUST be safe, because there is no way the FDA (or the privately funded CDC) would tell a lie about vaccine to protect a TRILLION DOLLAR industry. (and a grand control scheme of the masses.)

          • Mike Stevens

            All you have done is describe how over 50 years ago Merck tested an experimental adjuvant using peanut oil.
            The vaccine was never put into production and no vaccine on the schedule today uses peanut oil as an adjuvant, and you are unable to even name the vaccine you think has peanut oil in it.

            All you can do to “prove” your claim is to whine that the CDC/FDA must be liars.
            That is utterly pathetic.

          • RobertAllen1

            Has Chris Sky accused you of being a paid shill for Big Pharma yet? That’s another of his tactics.

          • Mike Stevens

            I’ve lost count of the number who have. I’m sure he is one of them.
            Pity of it is, none has ever shown me where I can sign up.

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to form a partnership?

          • Katia

            Your pun is very unfunny!

          • Chris Sky

            lol any way you slice it
            the usa
            spends MORE MONEY on HEALTHCARE than ANY other coutnry
            gives more vaccines
            1) most autism
            2) SIDS
            3) diabetes
            4) obesity
            5) ADD
            6) and around 1.5% of the population with FOOD ALLERGIES

            … and 34th in the world for babies dying.. but don’t worry “there is little difference between the USA and other countries”

            except the “other” countries people are healthier, smarter, skinnier with less allergies and less babies dying… while spending less money! 😀

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Our health care is weak for the bottom socioeconomic class. Other countries with government health care do much better with that.

            This may surprise you, but we already had a lot of clean water and indoor plumbing in 1945. There are reasons besides vaccines for better infant mortality but that is way down the list.

          • RobertAllen1

            Source or is your source your a*s as usual?
            Still no rundown of your medical qualifications without which you cannot assess anything you read about vaccines or for that matter any medical topic.

          • Sam WassermaN

            Shana Tova Robbie

            It would appear that you did not
            shut down your basement office
            out of respect for your Jewish ancestors even though you have allegedly left the faith.

            To date Robbie, despite all of your
            demands of others like Chris Sky etc., you have yourself failed to
            post your complete detailed C.V. Including all academic institutions which you have attended, degrees conferred, awards, accolades, etc.

            It will certainly assist your fans, followers and foes with respect to
            ascertaining your credibility and the value of your learned opinions which you so confidently post.

            Best regards,

          • RobertAllen1

            You just can’t get it through your head that I’m not the one going up against mainstream science, Wassercrabs.

          • Sam WassermaN

            Robbie.

            It’s the start of a new year.

            There is absolutely no reason whatsoever for you to become
            so defensive.

            You are not under attack nor are you
            being accused of going up against
            mainstream science.

            For the sake of transparency, etc., and given the numerous comments
            that you have made to date, it
            would not seem unreasonable that
            you provide to your followers with a summary of you academic accomplishments and accolades.

            This would enable us to assess the
            quality and reliability of the source whose opinions and comments we
            are being provided with such a high degree of confidence that merits confirmation – something that someone interested in objective, quantifiable, reproducible and readily confirmed mainstream science will surely appreciate as it
            is keeping with the approach that you surely utilize when assessing
            the merits and credibility of the materials which you read and upon which you base your opinions and comments.

            Looking forward to your detailed
            C.V.

            Shana Tova

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, I’m not the one going up against mainstream medicine, Wassercocksucker.

          • Sam WassermaN

            YOU ARE A VERY SICK MAN ROBBIE.

            Seek out the help that you so urgently require.

            You were simply asked to provide
            a detailed outline of your academic
            and professional accomplishments –
            as YOU constantly request of those
            who dare to challenge or oppose you.

            Is it an unreasonable request that
            you provide documentation of your
            education and areas of expertise that
            can be confirmed by those reading
            your learned posts ?

            Is this truly an unreasonable request, or are you simply having difficulty in
            acknowledging …..

            I am hopeful that you will post your CV and that you urgently seek out the
            assistance that you desperately require.

            It would seem that anger management issues should be added to your lengthy list of issues that you should address with your team of
            mental health professionals.

            Best regards.

          • RobertAllen1

            You just can’t get it through your head that as I am not going up against mainstream medical science, unlike those who do, I don’t have to present my qualifications.
            Now, on what do you base your diagnosis that I am sick. Certainly not on your non-existent medical qualifications, Wassermotherfucker

          • Sam WassermaN

            hmmmmm….

            Your “educational accomplishments”
            and qualifications …

            …. or lack thereof …

            are clearly contentious issues for you
            Robbie.

            You are clearly a very sick, highly disturbed and emotionally unstable miscreant Robbie.

            In light of your obsession with The
            Dunning Kruger Effect , coprolalia, and given your significant anger management issues, etc., you
            really should make haste in obtaining the urgent psychiatric treatment that you require at this time at your nearest mental health facility.

            Good Luck Robbie.

          • casey jones

            OK moron.. not having any credentials seems to be common among low life chronic Internet hacks like you who have nothing better to do. That’s not surprising.. the fact that you use “mainstream” as an excuse for being doorknob is not getting you anywhere. Mainstream does not mean anything to anyone. Large private corps doing what they want is crushing the United states in to a pile of rubble.. every entity of the u.s government is the laughing stock of the globe. Trying to convince people otherwise is a lost cause. Unfortunately people like you help hold society back. A true bane on society.

          • RobertAllen1

            In nine lines, you’ve said absolutely nothing.

          • casey jones

            In 20 thousand messages, You’ve said absolutely nothing. I wonder who’s more pathetic

          • CharlieB1972

            The US infant mortality rate is down by two thirds from 1970 to 2005. I was alive in the 1970s, and we had flush toilets and clean water back then. SIDS also has declined even as the vaccine schedule increased.

            Healthcare spending has a lot to do with the inefficient system that we have here.

            There is a variety of reasons for obesity, including lack of exercise, poor eating habits, and genetics. Nothing to do with vaccines.

          • Brooke Dunne

            More likely just the way each country counts infant mortality.

            Infant mortality figures for US are misleading
            http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/10/why-american-babies-die/381008/

            Low birth weight infants are not counted against the “live birth” statistics for many countries reporting low infant mortality rates.

            According to the way statistics are calculated in Canada, Germany, and Austria, a premature baby weighing <500g is not considered a living child. But in the U.S., such very low birth weight babies are considered live births. The mortality rate of such babies – considered "unsalvageable" outside of the U.S. and therefore never alive – is extraordinarily high; up to 869 per 1,000 in the first month of life alone. This skews U.S. infant mortality statistics.

            Some of the countries reporting infant mortality rates lower than the U.S. classify babies as "stillborn" if they survive less than 24 hours whether or not such babies breathe, move, or have a beating heart at birth. Forty percent of all infant deaths occur in the first 24 hours of life. In the United States, all infants who show signs of life at birth (take a breath, move voluntarily, have a heartbeat) are considered alive.

            Just a couple examples. There are more. 😉

          • Chris Sky

            Wow, people will make do all kinds of mental gymnastics to try and make up for the lack of truth, logic, reason and common sense for their viewpoint, won’t they! that’s called COGNITIVE DISSONANCE.
            #1 in the world for total amount of different vaccines given per child.
            #1 in the world for private money spent on healthcare
            #1 in the world for Autism, SIDS, Diabetes, Obesity, ADD, Asthma Food Allergies, learning disabilities
            #34 in the world for infant mortality rate (which in all my sources cited is number of babies that die before their 5th birthday! so all the jibber jabber about still borns and deaths that occur in 24 hours don’t make a SQUAT of a difference in a population of 0-5 year olds!) 😀

            now what besides Vaccines, are American children exposed to within their first 5 years of life, that puts them at higher risk that the REST OF THE WORLD for all things i listed?

            .. it’s obviously NOT the vaccines though, right?! 😀 ANYTHING but the vacccines! (Cognitive Dissonance)

          • Brooke Dunne

            “all the jibber jabber about still borns and deaths that occur in 24 hours don’t make a SQUAT of a difference in a population of 0-5 year olds!”

            Of course it does. This is why no one with an ounce of brains in their head really gives a shit about your lame-o antivax crap.

            Half a dozen countries don’t count babies that die within 24 hours of birth as live births. In several other developed countries, those babies just aren’t included in your population of 0-5 year olds. We do count them here in the U.S. Some 40% of infant deaths are preemies that die within the first 24 hours. That skews the numbers.

            And no, Generation Rescue, where this trope started, didn’t account for that. Doesn’t fit their paradigm.

          • Chris Sky

            meanwhile in REALITY! the USA use the “WHO STANDARD” for Infant mortality rate… IN FACT out of the to 34 countries for IMR in the WORLD

            14 countries use the WHO standard (exactly like the USA)

            Austria, Denmark, England, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Northern Ireland, Portugal, Scotland, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, USA

            Meanwhile the USA is still 13 out 14, only beating SLOVAKIA 😀

            awwwwwww … why is the USA always LAST in HEALTH, when it spends the MOST on “healthcare” and gives more different vaccines than any other country?! why do babies keep dying more than other nations who vaccinate LESS ?

            i guess Americans are just “unlucky” 😀

          • Brooke Dunne

            Still lying, I see …

            Even among countries that supposedly follow the WHO standard, what counts as a birth varies from country to country.

            “In Austria and Germany, fetal weight must be at least 500 grams (1 pound) before these countries count these infants as live births.

            “In other parts of Europe, such as Switzerland, the fetus must be at least 30 centimeters (12 inches) long. In Belgium and France, births at less than 26 weeks of pregnancy are registered as lifeless, and are not counted, Healy says.

            “And some countries don’t reliably register babies who die within the first 24 hours of birth.

            “Norway, which has one of the lowest infant mortality rates, shows no better infant survival than the United States when you factor in Norway’s underweight infants who are not now counted, says Nicholas Eberstadt, a scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.”

            http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2011/04/13/financial-times-gets-wrong-infant-mortality-rates/

          • Diddly doo

            Nice rant Brooke, but you are thinking too much – it’s getting messy

          • CharlieB1972

            “Some of the countries reporting infant mortality rates lower than the U.S. classify babies as “stillborn” if they survive less than 24 hours whether or not such babies breathe, move, or have a beating heart at birth. Forty percent of all infant deaths occur in the first 24 hours of life.”

            Wow. I never knew that so much of infant mortality happened in the first day of life. Thanks for bringing facts to the discussion, Brooke.

            BTW, I really think you must be getting inside the anti-vaxxers’ heads. One of them called you Donald Monty, another called you Al Mather, and yet another called you Fsm Pastapharian!

          • digitusmedius

            could it be the dozens of injectable poisons? 😉

            No, it couldn’t and it isn’t. ;>)

          • Justthefacts

            And you didn’t read section 6.2 which said that its not verified data. This is a perfect example of how you are not qualified to read a package insert. You don’t read the whole think and can’t understand what it says.

          • Diddly doo

            Good example of a septic smokescreen follow through faxxy. Moving on – do you get your yearly flu jab like a good septic or is it just for other people?

          • Justthefacts

            I research every vaccination and medical procedure. You blindly reject all vaccines. That doesn’t required any thought from you.

          • RobertAllen1

            And unlike the antivaxxers, you do so with mainstream, peer-reviewed medical articles. More power to you.

          • Mike Stevens

            You can quote the exact wording for that “admission”, I trust?

            Please link to the document, so we can see for ourselves (I wouldn’t take your word for jack)

          • Chris Sky

            sorry…1 in 85 is old news… as they keep increasing new vaccines each year, the autism rates keep rising! it’s now 1 in 68 according the the CDC

            vs countries like Findland, Norwary, Icleand that give 1/3 of the vaccines the USA gives… and their autism rates? less than 1 in 1000!

            USA also leads the developed world in childhood onset of

            Diabetes, Obesity, SIDS, ADD, Asthma, Food Allergies

            http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/autism/data.html

          • Mike Stevens

            I’ll take that as an unequivocal “No”

            (ie you can’t link to the source in which GSK “admits” autism is caused by its vaccine)

          • Brooke Dunne

            “expplicity states AUTISM as a known side effect on page 623 of thier own IN HOUSE medical study.”

            No, it doesn’t. That is part of APPENDIX 4E : “Cumulative tabulation of all unlisted events from serious unlisted spontaneous reports and all serious unlisted reactions from clinical trial cases reported since launch”

            That’s a list of every adverse event that was reported. There’s no causal relationship, nor any indication any of the events are a side effect of the vaccine.

            This is why people just stopped listening to you Age of Austism and AustismOne ninnies quite some time ago. Everything you say is a lie.

          • Chris Sky

            meanwhile that family was awarded millions in court… and “Vaccines are so safe” the “Vaccine injury compensation program” has already paid out over 5 BILLION in “damages” (complete with GAG ORDERS) so the hundreds of thousands of people can’t talk about it! people pretend like autism is the only “side effect” of vaccines! what about the hundreds of thousands of people that get “side effects” from things like Swine Flu Vaccine or Garadsil! you know things like “Guillain Barre Syndrome” or “life long seizures” or “paralysis” or any of other of DOZENS of KNOWN “side effects”

            and there have been court cases in both Italy and the USA that have awarded autistic chldren money thanks to vaccine dammage 😀

            but ya… there’s “no connection” between vaccines and damage of any kind let alone Autism or a myriad of other “side effects”

            what about CDC Whistleblower William Thompson who published the (hidden) correrlation of how Black Babies given the MMR vaccine before their 3rd birthday were 300% MORE LIKELY to be autisitc! 300%… but im sure that’s not “significant” enough to warrant a “connection” (meanwhile the CDC thought it was damaging enough to hide!) 😀

            anybody who pretends like vaccines are “safe” is just a liar.. plain and simpe!

          • Brooke Dunne

            Don’t even care.

          • Tids1960

            I think I can I quote you on that… ?

          • Diddly doo

            Well shorter, I’ll give you that and you don’t care – you must be a vaccine believer.

          • Justthefacts

            The Thompson story was found to be a fraud:
            http://www.snopes.com/medical/disease/cdcwhistleblower.asp
            .
            Thompson admits its a fraud and comes out provaxx.
            http://abcnews.go.com/Health/now-retracted-autism-study-viral/story?id=25248179
            .
            The paper with the new data is pulled.
            http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/22

          • Chris Sky

            yes because when they decide it’s a Beneficial for PROFITS they pull a medical journal.. I never read one thing in the article that disproved the higher autism rates in the children given the MMR before their 3rd birthday! in fact it actually confirms “the rates of autism were a little higher in this group” but then tries to explain away the significance 😀

            once again. when motivation for a decision is politically and montarily motivated (especially in the wake of about a DOZEN suspicious murders of “natural” dcotors recently)
            a simple retraction of a dammaging paper by a PUBLISHER who makes their living off of their donors, does what they are told. that doesn’t prove anything, except that the article and thompson’s statment were damaging enough for “Damage Control” lol

            it’s like the white house making a statement telling peopel “Don’t beleve the planned parent hood videos, they are deceptive” (even though they tell the truth!)

          • Justthefacts

            It’s so cute that you consider yourself such an expert and clairvoyant that you can tell what the actual data says from just reading the hooker report and NOT looking at the actual data. That is quite a talent! The rest of us humans actualyl have to put in a request to get the raw data and cross verify. Since you are probably not clairvoyant, I’m going to say you just read the report and looked at the results processed by Hooker and agreed with him although it has been shown, conclusively, that hooker falsified the results. You could actually get a copy of the data yourself and see for yourself but we both know that is not going to happen.

            Do you know who else thinks the Hooker paper was a fraud? That would be Dr William Thompson, who STILL a CDC employee and actively promotes the use of vaccines.

            I don’t think you can invoke “Conspiracy!” when the source you quote, Dr. Thompson, disagrees with you. You should pull your head out of anti-vaxx websites and actually read the news .

          • Chris Sky

            CDC to Thompson “you want to keep your job, and your life you will retract the statement you INSTRUCTED your lawyer to make publicly.”

            William Thompson: “ok, deal”

            nuf said. 😀

            If vaccines didn’t have family destroying side effects the VACCINE INJURY COMPENSATION PROGRAM 1) wouldn’t exist 2) wouldn’t have paid out over 5 billion strictly for “Vaccine Damage” 3) the VICP wouldn’t be the single largest source of US GAG ORDERS (hush money!!!) in the history of the world! 😀

            next you’re gonna tell me how “measles” was wiped out by the vaccine!

          • Justthefacts

            So you were lying when you called Thompson an anti-vaxx whistle blower and he actually publicly supports vaccines.
            .
            I guess that means I don’t need to read any more of your lies.
            .
            nuf said.

          • Thompson had his lawyer make a public statement where he VERIFIED that the CDC HID important information that showed that black children given the MMR vaccine before their third birthday were 300% more likely to be autistic…

            then the CDC and BIG PHARMA, threatened Thompsons, job, career, medical license, (and who knows what else) so he had his lawyer “Retract”the statement, adn he got to “keep his job” at the CDC and his medical license (and his life).

            funny how that works. You say something AGAINST the medical establishment.. your publically shamed… then fired, then medical licesne revoked, then attacked (or killed)… or you play nice, retract the “Damaging” staement and your life goes back to normal.

            or you end up like the dozen “Natural Doctors” who were working on cancer/autism cures found MURDERED in their homes and other places in the last few months 😉

            “silver or lead” is an age old proposition… it’s obvious that Thompson took the SILVER.
            you dont’ have lawyers make statements for you unless you stand by thhose statements… and the only reason a lawyer would RETRACT that staemente is because somebody FORCED him to 😉

            once again.. it’s obvious you are paid by big pharma, to promote lies… people like me tell the truth for free…and lies make great stories… but truth, always makes the most impact 😉

          • Justthefacts

            That’s a lot of words to post to say nothing. You point out that, unlike most anti-vaxx fanatics, Thompson can admit when he is wrong. He does not say he was forced so all of your claims are a conspiracy theory. As a conspiracy theory, you have ZERO evidence to support these theories, or your other theories concerning 9/11, the moon landing, and Planet X.
            .
            I sure you believe in at least one of those.

          • LOL ya.. im sure enough to make my LAWYER make a public statement for me, as well as a public apology for the “Cover Up”

            then “all of a sudden” (after open threats) he totally pulls a 180.. and then you call it a “Conpiracy Theory”
            because he doesn’t come out and say “ya.. the forced me to change my stance” LOL you crack me up.
            once again it’ squite obvious you work for big pharma (and aren’t paid much.)

            so I feel sorry for you, especially considering you’re not fooling anybody with your garbage 😀 intelligent people know how BIG PHARMA opperates… they BUY CONSENSUS through the FDA, and purchase “reassurance” from the PRIVATE FOR PROFIT CDC!

            isn’t funny how all the “miracle drugs” that end up killing hundreds of thousands of people, and pay out hundreds of millions of BILLIONS (Think VIOX… confirmed killing HALF A MILLION PEOPLE.) … FDA and CDC APPROVED 😀

            Also funny how the CDC used to have the article up where they admitted to injecting up to 40 MILLION people with the cancer causing SV40 virus in the polio vaccine…. now our cancer rates in the USA are 1 in 3! 1 in 3!!! 😀

            …another FDA approved “medical miracle”

            but nope Big Pharma, would NEVER pay off or threaten or kill a doctor to preserve a TRILLION dollar industry!

            just like the 180 MILLION dollar “Cancer Charities” got sued by the Federal goernment for STEALING over 90% of their “donations”

            big pharma is “stand up” “honest” and has “your health in mind” 😀

            you are a funny little guy

          • Justthefacts

            I’ll ask a question I know the answer to. Do you have any evidence at all for your claims?

            Your faith based beliefs are not funny; they are pathetic.

          • I had a perfectly normal relative who after the MMR jab, degrading to an autistic child with learning disabilities. The mother.. being a good hearted (but uninformed nit wit) like most people followed the “recommended vaccine schedule”… after half a dozen doctors “had no idea what was wrong with him” being a family of wealth, she started consulting with SPECIALISTS from all over Canada the USA, Europe and even some in Asia … after YEARS of research, trips around the world, and countless discussions, tests, $$$$$, the consensus from the group of specialists is that his autism was “Triggered” by the MMR vaccine.

            she was then referred to a doctor BRADSTREET who was offering a cutting edge treatment.. funny thing though, after she had initial contact with him, and was setting her schedule up for ANOTHER trip.. Doctor Bradstreet had an “Accident” where he “Drove himself to a secluded area, then shot him self in the chest, and dumped his own body adn the murder weapon into the nearby creek.”

            that’s the “official” story for what happened to him.

            the “Treatment” is called GcMAF and there have been clinical trials on over 3000 kids with favorable results in the majority 😉

            this is all “crazy coincidence” im sure.

            but ya.. unlike you i actually have some “skin in the game” and the past 6 years having spent nothing but time, money and speaking to the best doctors in countries all around the world.

            but keep talking! you obviously know more than the acccumulated wisdom of specialists… and you can’t show me one source to “show vaccines are safe” that ISNT FUNDED PRIVATELY (that includes the CDC and WHO, and FDA!) it’s like you getting Monsanto’s umbrella companies to show me “studies” on how “roundup” is “good for you”

            anyways. the best part of the entire vaccine scam is that the BILLIONS paid out by the Vaccine Injury compensation doesn’t even come from big pharma.. big phamara, charges people like YOU 75 cents per injection to keep the “vaccine injury fund” stocked so they can keep paying out HUSH MONEY and GAG ORDERS to the thousands of people filing claims!
            (when we know that only 1-10% of vaccine injuries are actually reported…so actual injured people is exponentially higher than the Vaccine Injury reporting centre intimates! )

          • Justthefacts

            The most likely cause occurred ONE DAY BEFORE?

            It turns out that the day before he apparently killed himself, his office was the target of a federal search warrant in relation to his use of an unapproved drug to treat autism, GcMAF. Readers were kind enough to supply me with a copy of the search warrant. Basically, the warrant gave permission to search the Bradstreet Wellness Center in Buford, GA for “records, documents and items”

            https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/gcmaf-and-the-life-and-death-of-an-autism-quack/

            He was bused and his live was over. He took the dignified way out.

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to provide your sources, mainstream, peer-reviewed only, or is this more from out of your a*s?

          • RobertAllen1

            From 2006 to 2014, over 2.5 billion doses of covered vaccines were distributed in the U.S. according to the CDC. 2,975 claims were adjudicated by the Court for claims filed in this time period and of those 1,876 were compensated. This means for every 1 million
            doses of vaccine that were distributed, 1 individual was compensated.

            Since 1988, over 16,038 claims have been filed with the
            VICP. Over that 27 year time period, 14,062 claims have been adjudicated, with 4,150 of these determined to be compensable, while 9,912 were dismissed. Total
            compensation paid over the life of the program is approximately $3.18 billion.

            http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/statisticsreport.pdf
            You filthy, f*g liar.

          • oh im sorry.. it’s closer to 4 billion instead of 5 billion (and that was 2014, it’s almost 2016, so it’s definitely closer to what I said now!)

            it also doesn’t show how only roughly (conservatively!)only 1 out of 10 cases is actually reported!!! 1 out 10! …so multiply your numbers by 10 and you’ll start to see a clearer picture of how many hundreds of thousands of children are damaged by vaccines 😉

            finally the fact that i misquoted the Dollar value of the payouts, (not LIED) doesn’t change the fact that tens of thousands of GAG ORDERS (more than any other time/place) in history were attached!

            so really what did I “lie” about? i said they paid out close to 5 billion when really it’s around 4 billion?! ooops….:D

          • RobertAllen1

            Care to support your claim that only one out of 10 cases is reported and the existence of these tens of thousands of GAG ORDERS (mainstream, peer-reviewed sources only) or is this something else from out your dishonest a*s?

            You really are a f*g liar, a cheat and a fraud.

          • the existence of the gag orders is self explanitory, because EVERY “Settlement” comes with a gag order… so count the numver of thousands of settlements… that’s the number of gag orders.. I will be happy to post some sources to verifiy that LESS than 10% of all vaccine injuries are actually reported.

            ” With over 70 vaccines included, VAERS is an excellent tool that can help you read descriptions of vaccine reactions and identify which vaccines are associated with the most side effects. It is important to know, though, that only a tiny fraction of serious health problems that occur after vaccination are actually reported. Studies have estimated that less than 10 percent, to as little as ONE percent of vaccine side effects are ever reported to VAERS, so the true side effects are easily FAR higher than the statistics show.”

          • http://www.nvic.org/reportreaction.aspx

            National Vaccine Injury Compensation:

            Although this law requires doctors and other vaccine providers to report hospitalizations, injuries, deaths and serious health problems following vaccination to VAERS, it is estimated that less than 10 percent, perhaps less than one percent of all vaccine-related health problems are ever reported to VAERS.

            So like i said LESS than 10% for SURE and PERHAPS even less than 1%

            so that 14000, becomes AT LEAST 140,000-1.4 MILLION! Quite a BIG difference if you ask me :D. but that’s how “pro vaccine” “logic” works… they fudge numbers to make things look good.

            140,000- 1.4 MILLION vaccine injured kids seems a lot more SIGNIFICANT doesn’t it ?! 😉

          • now what? 😉

            …. that’s what I thought.

          • RobertAllen1

            In other words, you cannot support your claims, you filthy, f*g fraud.

          • I linked diretly to VAERS in one comment! apparently you chose to ignore it… i’ll post MULTIPLE LINKS this time since you “selectively” read 😀

            http://vactruth.com/2012/12/16/36-infants-dead-after-vaccine/

            “Note that only 1 to 10% of adverse reactions to vaccines are actually reported.”

            1-10% coincides with me saying LESS THAN 10% 😉

          • RobertAllen1

            Vactruth is hardly a mainstream, peer-reviewed, medical journal, you filthy, f*g fraud.

          • another source.

            http://www.healingourchildren.net/vaccine_side_effects.htm

            “The FDA acknowledges only 10% of adverse reports are filed. In a 1993 statement of former FDA commision, David Kessler, he writes of a study where only “about 1% of serious events are reported to the FDA.”

          • RobertAllen1

            Did you read? I keyboarded, “MAINSTREAM, PEER-REVIEWED MEDICAL ONLY,” you f*g fraud.

          • Tids1960

            you’re a fraud… you’re a fraud… you’re a fraud

            can’t cite any mainstream, peer-reviewed sources

            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            Parrot wants a cracker…

            you’re a fraud… you’re a fraud… you’re a fraud
            .
            .
            (o=

          • from the “national vaccine information center”

            http://www.nvic.org/reportreaction.aspx

            “Although this law requires doctors and other vaccine providers to report hospitalizations, injuries, deaths and serious health problems following vaccination to VAERS, it is estimated that less than 10 percent, perhaps less than one percent of all vaccine-related health problems are ever reported to VAERS.”

            once again… LESS than 10% and as little as 1%

            so you’re “14000” becomes somewhere between 140,000-1.4 MILLION!

            SURPRISE! 😉 a little bit of a TRUTH BOMB… now what?

            more denial and attacks of how im a “liar” when i proved everything i said with multiple sources? or ready to say “Sorry” yet ?! 😀

          • RobertAllen1

            National Vaccine Center is hardly a mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journal, you f*g fraud.

          • yes.. i’m fruad, because EVERY source you can find will say the exact same thing… Vaccine injury reporting falls between 1 and 10 % of actual cases 😉

            unless of course you can find me a “peer reviewed medical journal” that proves otherwise 😀 every study done to this date says EXACTLY what I said.. but because it doesn’t go with your “PROGRAMMING” you get all butthurt and start calling people names.

            hey buddy… don’t shoot the messenger. Be mad at the people who lied to you in the first place !

          • RobertAllen1

            No, you’re a fraud because you can’t cite any mainstream, peer-reviewed sources backing up any of your claims, especially about the tens of thousands of GAG ORDERS, only the anti-vaxx garbage.

            Now, other than yourself, just who are these people who’ve lied to me or is this something else from out of your a*s?

          • Tids1960

            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            you’re a fraud you’re a fraud you’re a fraud

            you can’t cite any mainstream, peer-reviewed sources

            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            Parrot wants a cracker…
            .
            .
            (o=

          • RobertAllen1

            I’m glad you admit that you’ve been exposed for the fraud you are.

          • Tids1960

            Bobbles… you’re as clueless as the movie

          • RobertAllen1

            And just who are you with no medical qualifications to judge, Tidsbutt?

          • Tids1960

            you’re a fraud… you’re a fraud… you’re a fraud

            can’t cite any mainstream, peer-reviewed sources

            Parrot wants a cracker…

            In other words, you can’t refute it…
            Parrot wants a cracker…

            What a moron…What a moron…What a moron.

            refute my own statement. What a moron.

            you’re a fraud… you’re a fraud… you’re a fraud
            .
            .
            (o=

          • RobertAllen1

            So all you can do is repeat my post, exposing you once again for the fraud you are.

          • Chris Sky

            PEER REVIEWED PUBLISHED MEDICAL JOURNAL for the FDA

            hosted by the FDA government site

            confirms

            “1% of vaccine injury reported”

            once again. PEER REVIEWED, PUBLISHED and HOSTED by the FDA

            http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Safety/MedWatch/UCM201419.pdf

          • RobertAllen1

            Nowhere does the phrase “1% of vaccine injury reported” or anything like it appear in the report. You’ve lied again, m*rf*r.

          • Chris Sky

            now i know for SURE that you’re being paid to lie!

            from the FDA hosted PEER REVIEWED MEDICAL STUDY

            (third paragraph, on the right side of the first page, about 6 lines down.)

            QUOTE: “Although the FDA receives many adverse event reports, these probably represent only a FRACTION of the serious adverse events encountered by providers. A recent review article (citation provided) found that between 3% and 11% of hospital admissions could be attributed to adverse drug reactions. ONLY ABOUT 1% OF SERIOUS EVENTS ARE REPORTED TO THE FDA.”

            Maybe next time you should READ the Peer Reveiewd Medical study hosted by the FDA

            http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Safety/MedWatch/UCM201419.pdf

          • RobertAllen1

            Since when do adverse drug reactions equate to adverse vaccine reactions? And just where does the phrase “1% of vaccine injury reported” or anything like it appear? So guess who’s the liar, m*rf*r.
            And, m*rf*r, before you keyboard any further, I suggest you look up anonymous libel because should you accuse me again of being paid to lie, I will find out who you are and pursue my legal remedies. Act accordingly.

          • Chris Sky

            are you serious!? article is ONLY about DAMAGE from VACCINES and PRESCRIPTION DRUGS.

            “Adverse Drug reaction” means reaction to a prescription drug OR a vaccine! and they very clearly state than only a small fraction of ALL ADVERSE REACTIONS are reported!

            “Aside from adverse events associated
            with specified vaccines(listed in the National
            Childhood Vaccine Injury Act9
            most reporting by health providers is
            voluntary. Manufacturers of drugs and
            devices and device distributors are required
            to report adverse events/”

            “Drugs and devices” vaccines … as listed above are part of this category. 😀

            you lose again. and you look more angry and insane with each pathetic post!

            the only thing you can try to say now is that “people report vaccine reactions exponentially more than other adverse drug reactions” (which woudl be another lie… and one you could never prove :D! )

            please just stop now. you’re gonna have to be committed soon.

          • RobertAllen1

            Once again, nothing about “1% of vaccine injury reported” or anything like it. Guess who loses, you dishonest POS.

            Now get this straight, you post any more of ignorance, lies and libel, I will be on your tail. I am not going away. Act accordingly.

          • Chris Sky

            LOL am I supposed to be intimidated by an obvious paid for liar, and pathetic shill for BIG PHARMA

            i know you wont’ go away, because I’ll keep posting truth and waking people up for FREE and you’ll keep following me around like a rabid stray dog calling me a liar, and never offering any sources, citing any stats.. just throwing out pathetic insults, and trying to intimidate me from behind a computer screen!

            absolutely fabulous 😀

            ps: the FDA article is about “adverse drug reactions reporting” vaccines are in that category … which is why they are mentioned multiple times in the article 😀

            sorry if you get a cut in pay for getting owned. but you’re not very good at your job… it’s not really your fault though.. you’re being paid to tell lies… obviously you’re gonna look like an idiot after a while 😀

          • RobertAllen1

            You just didn’t heed my warning. You are now going to be reported to Disqus for libel.

          • Chris Sky

            LOL LOL report me! I would LOVE that.. it would put both our comments under a micrscope.. .and then it will be determined without a doubt.. that
            1) you are a liar
            2) you’re a paid liar.
            3) you’re a bad liar
            4) you were wrong, and you lose 😀
            have a wonderful day, shill.

          • RobertAllen1

            I’ve already taken a screen shot and reported it. Guess who’s the loser.

          • Chris Sky

            that would be you.. the paid liar… trying to get people’s children sick for life, so big pharma, can profit.

            😀 Robert Allan… keep hiding behind your computer.

            if only you could get a REAL job.. you could stop lying for a living and ruining people’s lives.

            IF i were you I woudln’t even be able to look at myself in the mirror.

          • RobertAllen1

            I now have youraddress which I’ll be providing to my attorney for further action. I guess you have to learn the hard way about costs of libel.

            But for s*ts and giggles, how about a rundown of your medical qualifications, especially in pathology and immunology, including background, education and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals. Without them you are in no position to claim that vaccines make children sick for life, you filthy, f*g liar.

          • Chris Sky

            i see you tried to delete things to run and hide… here’s the link to GCMAF where it’s being sold legally in 8 different countries and the protcols for treating autism, and the recovery and cure rates that i mentioned 🙂

            it’s also important to note, that Dr Bradstreet in the USA had his home raided with a serach warrant and his GCMAF CONFISCATED (yet he wasn’t arrested because he had committed no crime) and then 3 days later he was found dead, and 11 other doctors like him were murdered within 5 weeks,

            oh and btw… a few retractions on dozens of peer reviewed medical journals does not mean anything! I can find retractions on vaccines and convention cancer treatments (like chemo) but they still seem viable to “mainstream medicine”

            as for me going “against” main stream medicine… consdering USA “mainstream medicince”is now producing the most unhealthy children in the developed world

            1) most autism

            2) diabtes

            3) obesity

            4) food allergies

            5) asthma

            6) add

            I think any smart person who has the money and means, would seek REAL specialists in countries that are having much more succes in avoiding, treating and CURING these conditions that the USA, whos’ only intent on profiting as much as possible at your expense 😉

            https://gcmaf.se/patient-resources/autism/

            and now im finished making you money because i know you get paid by the msg shilling for Big Pharma. 😉 troll elsewhere.

          • RobertAllen1

            Just which things did I try to delete or is this something else from out of that ass of yours.

            And once again, gcmaf.se is hardly a mainstream, peer-reviewed medical source, you filthy, fucking fraud.

            Still no rundown of your medical qualifications, especially in pathology and immunology, including background, education and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals without them you are incompetent to claim that “USA ‘mainstream medicince’ [SIC] is now producing the most unhealthy children in the developed world.”

            And by the way, I have taken a screenshot of this post reiterating your accusation of my being a shill which I will be passing on to my attorney for further action against you.

            http://abcnews.go.com/Business/jury-awards-13-million-texas-defamation-suit-anonymous/story?id=16194071

            http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/online-anonymity-no-sure-thing-in-libel-cases

          • Chris Sky

            I listed the reason why the USA children are unhealthy. People dont’ need to read a peer reviewed medical journal to tell them basic stats about unhealthy (And over vaccinated) US children are
            you can lie and pretend like it’s not true… but EVERYBODY knows

            USA #1 in vaccines
            autism, sids, add, asthma, food allergies, obesity, diabetes…. aka the most unhealthy children (and consequently) most unhealthy, fastest, most cancer ridden, heart disease infested people in the entire WORLD~

            but it has nothing to do with the extra vaccines and the extra medications that americans have been brainwashed to take 😀

            nope.. americans have all these health issues.. becaue they are “unlucky” 😀

            once again you can’t refute ANY of this so I can’t wait to hear one more round of insults and threats from your pathetic self before I don’t entertain any more of your ridiculous responses

          • RobertAllen1

            YOU are the claimant. YOU have the burden of proof which you cannot meet, as you lack the requisite medical qualifications to assess the general health of American children (and peer-reviewed journals are essential for this purpose), much less support your claim of over-vaccination, much less evaluate any medical articles you might read. In short, you’re a fucking fraud and fucking fraud, be forewarned, you post any more of your ignorance, stupidity and downright lies, I will be on your tail. I’m not going away. Act accordingly.

          • Chris Sky

            say whatever you want.

            USA #1 for vacccines given and money spent.
            #1 for autism, sids, add, asthma, obesity, diabetes, food allergies!

            this is common knowledge. you don’t need a “peer reviewed medical journal” to point out statistics that are known around the world 😀

            say whatever you want. I’m saying something is TRUE.. if you want to DISPROVE it.. find something that says

            USA DOESNT have the highest rate of AUTISM
            doesn’t give the most vaccines
            isn’t the fattest

            fortunately for TRUTH, LOGIC REASON, REALITY you can’t find anythig to disprove what i said.. because it’s true 😀

            in fact you haven’t cited one source EVER.. you just cite “mainstream medicine” as your “source” which is the least credible source in the world.

            now im finished with your pathetic self. lol go talk to you lawyers 😀 cuz i dont’ want to hear from you again.

          • RobertAllen1

            “Common knowledge” and assertions that you are telling the truth do not rise to the level of mainstream, peer-reviewed evidence; rather, they expose your inability to meet your burden of proof as claimant which is no more than can be expected of someone with no medical qualifications who thinks he knows more than those who have them.

            As you can see, I’m making good on my threat, you fucking fraud.

          • Chris Sky

            LOL you don’t need a PEER REVIEWED MEDICAL STUDY to count the number of different vaccines on the mandated vaccine schedule 😀

            you dont’ need peer reviewed studies to see that even the cdc admits children in the USA are now 1 in 80 autistic

            vs less than 1 in 1000 on most euro countries 😀

            people don’t do “medical studies” to compile a list of facts. they dont’ medical studies to try and find out causes.

            see the difference? # of different vaccines given to kids? (no medical study required to get this information.. it’s right there for anybody to see)

            the effect a vaccine might have on a child… now THAT woudl require a medical study, we don’t need a medical study to tells us that a kid was vaccinated, moron… just studies to analyse the effects of those vaccines. 😀

            so once again. (with no medical studies required)

            USA #1 in different vaccines given.

            #1 in autism (1in 80), sids, add, asthma, food allergies (2% of total population!), obesity, diabetes, and dont’ forget CANCER (1 in 3)

            😀

            and all you can do is cry in the corner, because you can’t find any information (medical study or not) that can disprove any of these facts 😀 and that’s why you keep getting so angry

          • Chris Sky

            LOL just for fun, I Will provide sources to prove my claims (when you will provide none to disprove anything… ever!)

            “USA #1 in the world for Food Allergies.”

            from: https://www.foodallergy.org/facts-and-stats

            “Researchers estimate that 15 million Americans have food allergies.”
            (usa pop 330 million)
            “more than 17 million Europeans have food allergies” (Europe many countries, population 750 million)

            Asia/Africa food allergies are negligible 😀

            so one again

            USA #1 for food allergies 😉

          • Chris Sky

            Autism rates by COUNTRY from highest to lowest (taking note that the USA gives the MOST vaccines followed by Canada… :D)

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_autism

            USA (most vaccines) 1 in 68
            Canada (second most vacccines) 1 in 147
            Veneuzeula: 1.1 in 1000
            Hong Kong: 1.68 in 1000
            Saudi Arabia: 18 in 10000
            Denmark: 4.5 in 10000

          • RobertAllen1

            You neglected to include this:

            “The most recent estimate states that up to 1 out of every 68 children, or 14.7 per 1,000, have some form of ASD.[38] The number of diagnosed cases of autism grew dramatically in the U.S. in the 1990s and early 2000s. For the 2006 surveillance year, identified ASD cases were an estimated 9.0 per 1000 children aged 8 years (95% confidence interval [CI] = 8.6–9.3).[20] These numbers measure what is sometimes called “administrative prevalence”, that is, the number of known cases per unit of population, as opposed to the true number of cases.[28] This prevalence estimate rose 57% (95% CI 27%–95%) from 2002 to 2006.[20]

            The number of new cases of austism spectrum disorder (ASD) in Caucasian boys is roughly 50% higher than found in Hispanic children, and approximately 30% more likely to occur than in Non-Hispanic white children in the United States.[2][39]

            A further study in 2006 concluded that the apparent rise in administrative prevalence was the result of diagnostic substitution, mostly for findings of mental retardation and learning disabilities.[28] “Many of the children now being counted in the autism category would probably have been counted in the mental retardation or learning disabilities categories if they were being labelled 10 years ago instead of today,” said researcher Paul Shattuck of the Waisman Center at the University of Wisconsin–Madison, in a statement.[40]

            A population-based study in Olmsted County, Minnesota county found that the cumulative incidence of autism grew eightfold from the 1980–83 period to the 1995–97 period. The increase occurred after the introduction of broader, more-precise diagnostic criteria, increased service availability, and increased awareness of autism.[41] During the same period, the reported number of autism cases grew 22-fold in the same location, suggesting that counts reported by clinics or schools provide misleading estimates of the true incidence of autism.[42]”
            Nothing to do with vaccines, you filthy, fucking liar.

          • Chris Sky

            Medical Study on SIDS

            http://www.ispid.org/fileadmin/user_upload/textfiles/articles/CPR17_Hauck_SIDS_Trends.pdf

            “The highest rate of Sids in the world is in the USA and new zealand” (another high vaccine country!)

          • RobertAllen1

            That’s roughly 3,500 cases of SIDS over 3,932,181 births in 2013 (per CDC) or about .08%. http://www.cdc.gov/sids/aboutsuidandsids.htm, you fucking fraud.

          • Chris Sky

            medical study on ASTHMA

            USA prevalence… around 8%

            rest of the world…. around 4%

            😉

            http://www.ginasthma.org/local/uploads/files/GINABurdenReport_1.pdf

          • RobertAllen1

            You failed to mention that asthma is caused by as yet not understood environmental and genetic interactions, that it is also prevalent throughout Canada, South America and Australia and that the fatality rate in the U.S. is at 5..2%. You really are one dishonest prick.

          • Chris Sky

            number of different vaccines mandated by country

            (USA is number 1)

            http://www.fourteenstudies.org/nowwhat.html

          • RobertAllen1

            https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/welcome-back-my-friends-to-the-show-that-never-ends-part-ii-generation-rescue-attacks-14-studies/

            https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/more-on-fourteen-studies/

            You don’t know more than David Gorski, Professor of Surgery at Wayne State University School of Medicine and surgical oncologist at the Barbara Ann Karmanos Cancer Institute, Steven Novella, clinical neurologist and Assistant Professor at Yale School of Medicine, you filthy, fucking liar, you filthy, fucking fraud.

          • Chris Sky

            PEER REVIEWED PUBLISHED MEDICAL STUDY that not only states

            “The USA GIVES THE MOST VACCINES IN THE WORLD”

            it also shows the connection between “The more vaccines you give babies under 1 years old, the WORSE infant mortality rate gets” 😉

            two birds with one stone…

            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3170075/

          • RobertAllen1

            The article deals only with vaccine dosage and scheduling, not with the efficacy of vaccines themselves. You’ve lied again, motherfucker.

          • Sam WassermaN

            Robbie Allen has a PAID job ?

            What exactly are Robbie’s qualifications ?

            To date, despite numerous requests, I have yet to see a posting of Robbie’s CV including a detailed chronological listing of

            -ALL ACADEMIC INSTITUTIONS ATTENDED

            -DEGREE(S) CONFERRED

            -AWARDS, ACCOLADES, ETC

            Robbie however demands such information from all who oppose or challenge him after he berates them with his crude, vulgar, profanity filled low class rants.

            Although Robbie would like to come across as a worldly, highly educated and knowledgeable renaissance man, his diction and language betray high low class upbringing and status in life as well as his lack of education.

            It would seem that Robbie “works”
            from his late mother’s basement
            ……

            Robbie is truly a sad, pathetic, extremely angry and highly disturbed miscreant who is seeking the respect and authority from others in fields that he aspired to enter but was unable to do so because of his limitations – which
            he seems to recognize and project
            onto others.

            I do hope that he one day seeks out the help that he so urgently requires, in particular with respect to his anger related issues.

          • RobertAllen1

            As usual Wassermotherfucker, you have absolutely nothing to say. Could it be because you know absolutely nothing about what is being discussed, but just love to keyboard for the sake of keyboarding. Talk about someone who urgently needs help.

          • Sam WassermaN

            Another hard day at the office
            Robbie ?

            That temper of yours is really something little man.

            Now that I have your attention,
            perhaps you might post your CV .

            A request for such transparency on your part is a most reasonable and appropriate request given how prolific and dogmatic you are.

            It is in fact quite surprising that you
            have failed after MORE THAN 19,000
            POSTS to advise your fans, followers and foes about your education, degrees conferred, books and articles authored by yourself, awards, accolades, and recognition by your peers, etc.?

            You are CONSTANTLY requesting such
            information of others – in particular those who dare to challenge or oppose you.

            It would appear Robbie that you are in fact a self importantly autodidact with an incredible ego and sense of entitlement but who lacks the formal education , knowledge and qualifications to dole out the advise and criticism which is your habit with such impunity.

            Here is your opportunity to set the record straight and show us that my statements about you are erroneous and / or untrue.

            It is exactly what any honest, educated man with integrity would do under such circumstances.

            Are you such a man Robbie ?

            HMMMMM…. Let us see……

          • RobertAllen1

            Still nothing to say. Could it be because you know nothing, Wasserfucker?

          • jon kimble

            Well at least he’s not a pathetic online vaccine advertiser. If vaccines were really the savior of humanity with no drawbacks, you wouldnt have to spend your whole pathetic life online trying to convince people they are. The fact that you worthless parasites do this is a complete and total waste. Lol are you under the impression that anyone in this world trusts any thing Americans say?

          • Chris Sky

            lol that was amusing and entertaining.

          • Chris Sky

            yes because a few still born and premature babies will totally bring the USA from 34th up the top 3! LIES!

            and it’s only SOME countries that don’t count still borns and premature babies.. in fact MANY countries use the EXACT SAME REPORTING STANDARDS AS THE USA!

            “. Many countries, including the United States, Sweden and Germany, count an infant exhibiting any sign of life as alive, no matter the month of gestation or the size, but according to United States some other countries differ in these practices. All of the countries named adopted the WHO definitions in the late 1980s or early 1990s,”

            Which countries use the EXACT same reporting standards as the USA

            Austria, Denmark, England, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Northern Ireland, Portugal, Scotland, Slovakia, Spain, Sweden, USA

            so out of the “top 34 countries in the world” 14 use the EXACT same methods to calculate infant mortality rate as the USA

            of those 14 Countries.. the USA ONLY “edges out” SLOVAKIA!

            so once again

            USA #1 in vaccines given
            #13 out 14 in infant mortality rate with IDENTICAL REPORTING STANDARDS between Countries! 😀
            #1 in Money spent on healthcare

            #1 in Sids, Asthma, ADD, obesity, diabetes, Autism, food allergies.

            ahhhh once again TRUTH beats lies 😀

          • Brooke Dunne

            And this changes the fact you lied about this supposed admission of autism as a “side effect” in GSK’s report how?

            That’s right. It doesn’t.

            > “All of the countries named adopted the WHO definitions in the late 1980s or early 1990s… 14 use the EXACT same methods to calculate infant mortality rate as the USA”

            Wrong.

            Even as recently as 2011, the American Red Cross and OECD noted that several of those 12 countries which rank higher than the U.S. still don’t count low birth weight babies or infants that die in their first 24 hours. That’s 40% of deaths in the 0-5 population.

            Not everyone is as stupid as you, dumbass.

          • Diddly doo

            Brooke – just stick to what you know – don’t branch out into thinking – it’s embarrassing to read. Up and down up and down………….

          • Sadly, I got banned from that cesspool that is Vaccine Troof. I guess they didn’t like me posting Lowell Hubbs’ biography.

            Wow, what a shit hole of swill that site is. I hope these morons represent less than 1% of the total cult.

          • Brooke Dunne

            Oh, so sorry.

            Actually, I think they’re fairly representative of the lot. Complete fucking idiots.

          • It’s really scary. I can only imagine they all live in bunkers stocked with canned food from the 60s and a ham radio.

          • Diddly doo

            Well when ‘experts’ have completely fucked the banking system and world security by bombing third world countries what do you expect? Tea break over, back on your heads?

          • I have no idea what relevance this comment has to anything here. Maybe you can help me connect that spray of dots in your head.

          • Diddly doo

            Oh I forgot, you usually forget your previous posts when you are off on one. Your obsession with experts know best is a rather jaded 90’s septic meme. As an expert in complete bullshit you can’t even remember what you posted. What relevance to public health does your blogging have – please advise.

          • RobertAllen1

            Experts, in this case, those with medical qualifications, do know best. Now, how about a rundown of yours, including education, experience and contributions to mainstream, peer-reviewed medical journals. Without them, your opinions are worthless and potentially dangerous. Please advise.

          • Wtf are you taking about? I’m sorry if I can’t simply recall the precise post you vaguely reference in your response.

            As for experts knowing best, ummm yeah, that’s why they call them experts. I certainly know a fuckload more than you about this. Or are toy claiming otherwise with your Google Univ degree?

          • Katia

            Sorry to hear that. I enjoyed your posts there.

          • Awww 🙂 thanks. I’m better off. Those people might as well be in a cult. They are *really* out there.

          • Katia

            Definitely agree!

          • Diddly doo

            Yeah like the loons who think ‘healthcare’ is vaccinating babies in war zones instead of sorting out the infrastructure – lazy bastards.

          • Andrew Lazarus

            Odd, they took down me reference to Hubbs’ DUIs but didn’t ban me. Maybe it was for balance against Tids1960s attempts to intimidate me by showing he knows where I live.

          • I actually thought I was being nice by not posting about his DUIs. Hmmm.

          • CharlieB1972

            Sorry to hear that. From what I’ve seen on Facebook and other places, I’m inclined to agree with Brooke. I wonder how the anti-vax cult actually functions in the real world.

            When they get a bill from the power company, do they irately call up and demand that the company prove that particular electrons were in their TV that month?

            Do they demand to see not only the text of the law that prevents them from running red lights, but also the record of the vote on the law, the certification of the election results for each and every legislator, the voter registration records of everyone who voted in the election before the law was passed, and the records from the police academy of the cop who pulled them over?

          • I blame Wakefield and a general growing hatred of government and corporate greed for allowing the general public to feel justified in questioning something they just don’t understand. It’s as if any of these expel would demand that their mechanic explain how their automatic transmission works, including an in-depth explanation of the fluid dynamics involved with shifting before telling them “no thanks, I’m just going to add some miracle shit I saw on an infomercial last night.

          • Diddly doo

            Crap analogy. Mechanics usually fix gear boxes, doctors don’t have a clue where to start with a whole host of general malades, most of them still believe in vaccination which is not the new black anymore – get a doctor to try and rationalize the treatment for arthritis – it’s a joke – if we fixed cars like this we would all be walking.

          • Proponent

            In the long run.. first.. their loss.

            If left to the Troof masses.. they’d get pretty bored with one another after a while and with no foils to spar/fence with.

            And they seem to be literally tripping over one another to post.. ‘first’, at the moment.

            Secondly.. save yourself some wear and tear on the head-banging front.. in the face of such utter blind stupidity and obstinate adherence to their twisted belief systems.

          • Diddly doo

            Well with your ability to scrawl one wonders what you got trained in – ‘applied manure’ probably.

          • Here’s a question for you, doodoo: what is your training/education, and what makes you do confident that you know better than the overwhelming majority of the medical and scientific community, including those members present on this thread?

          • RobertAllen1

            I got banned too. So you’re in bad company.

            Did you know that Hubbs is also a moon landing denier. http://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.com/2010/11/lowell-hubbs-opinion-on-moon-landings.html

            Unfortunately too many of these morons are in Congress, state and federal.

          • I did! That was one of the posts that got me banned, so I just reposted it here ; )

          • Justthefacts

            Can I have a link to that post? I am interested in Lowell Hubbs’ biography.

          • Of course, as long as it doesn’t get me banned here 😉
            http://encyclopediaantivaccinemovement.blogspot.com/2014/01/lowell-kevin-hubbs.html?m=1

          • Justthefacts

            Thanks. That links runs me to others that track these jerks. That will be very useful in the future.

          • Np! Please share any useful links you find. I don’t always have time to find these people, but it’s always interesting when I do.

          • Diddly doo

            It’s a no brainer, line the septics up and jab them. I have no problem with this concept.

          • Justthefacts

            Age of autism? Really? It’s no surprise how they interpreted it. On the other hand, Forbes pointed out that is is on appeal and is based on the testimony of a single physician, hired by the plaintiff’s attorney
            (widely known for advising parents on how to avoid compulsory
            vaccinations). The physician, Massimo Montinari, it seems, has written a
            book on how vaccines cause autism and peddles an autism “cure” that he’s devised.
            .
            Of the Billions paid out in vaccine damages, NOT ONE CENT has gone to a victim of autism.It has been shown, conclusively, using millions of people, that vaccines do not cause autism.

          • Justthefacts

            I’m still waiting for you to explain how vaccines resulted in a “spider bite” as reported on page 519 of that 1271 page GlaxoSmithKline report you hold so precious. Could it be that the data is unedited raw data with false reports?
            .
            I’ll let you explain it.

          • Tids1960

            Jesterfacts…
            Hey cultist… Did you know…
            According to the FDA, vaccines represent a special category of drugs as they are generally given to healthy individuals. Further according to the FDA, “this places significant emphasis on their vaccine safety”.

          • Justthefacts

            You make four posts demanding that we talk about the 1271 page GlaxoSmithKline report and now you don’t want to talk about it? Why would that be? Did you happen to realize that the data is flawed and raw? Did you happen to notice that you where WRONG about this report being “damming”?
            .
            So again, exactly how does a vaccine cause a spider bite as reported on page 519 in you report?
            .
            You can always try to deflect again.

          • Tids1960

            Aw…Jesterfacts
            It’s not that I’m deflecting what you are say… I’m flat out telling you I’m not interested in what you are saying…
            The more I read what you post… the more I like watching water boil for my tea

          • RobertAllen1

            Of course not, because you have no medical qualifications, dipshit.

          • Diddly doo

            Who in their right mind would want a medical qualification?

          • RobertAllen1

            Anyone who practices medicine, you f*g fraud.

          • Justthefacts

            Again, I accept your surrender.

          • Tids1960

            That post makes your ass look bigger…

          • Diddly doo

            No, fuckthefacts is like watching dog dirt dry on the boardwalk or a haircut – he can choose.

          • Chris Sky

            the “spider bite” simply means that a kid was vaccinated, then got bit by a spider, stared showing symptoms (maybe sweating, pains, cramps, etc) and they thought it was one of the KNOWN side effects of the vaccines due to the timing of the incident, then when they brought them to the doctor it was confirmed to be a spider bite, and not a cause for the vaccine.

            That doesn’t mean that vaccines don’t have very unsafe side effects ranging from “Redness and swelling” to “Death” and virtually everything in between! otherwise things like the vaccine injury compensation fund, woudln’t exist, let alone pay out billions and be the largest supplier of “gag orders” in the world! 😀

          • Justthefacts

            So what you are saying if that just because something is listed in table 4A, that does not mean that it was causes by a vaccine? So you are say the data is raw and unedited? Are you saying that table 4A contains events incorrectly attributed to vaccines like “spider bites”, and “Herpes” and……………..”autism”.
            .
            I’m glad we could agree on that!

          • Chris Sky

            VERY EASY to explain (when you’re not intentionally trying to confuse people!)

            your “spider bite side effect” on page 519 falls under the
            “APPENDIX 3A” category: “All serous SPONTANEOUS CASES”
            (aka serious reactions that needed treatment, without knowing what the cause was, in short promixity to recieving a vaccine.)

            as opposed to AUTISM listed as a SIDE EFFECT on page 626 being a part of
            a SEPARATE category called “APPENDIX 4E” (listed on page 590 of the report)

            APPENDIX 4E: (Where autism is listed) “Cumulitive tabulation of all unlisted events, from serious unlisted spontaneous reports and all serious unlisted reaction from CLINICAL TRIAL CASES reported since launch.”

            so appendix 3A includes only the “Serious spontaneous reactions” that weren’t attributed to the vaccines…. where AUTISM is absent!

            meanwhile when we get to Appendix 4E: which now includes “side effects from serious reactions from CLINICAL TRIAL CASES” Autism listed as a SIDE EFFECT

            … surprise! and maybe THATS why the Family who sued to get this document public, also won millions of dollars 😉

            But keep lying and pretending like there’s no difference from the “Side effects” listed in appendix 3a, vs the Side effects listed in 4E.

            it’s right there.. in black and white… and if i was wrong.. the family wouldn’t have won 😀

          • Justthefacts

            You are desperately trying to get around the facts but I have to burst your bubble.
            ..
            “arthropod bite” is on Page 19 in the appendix table and in table 4A on page 567 (519) and also on page 614 (566) in table 4E and table 2B on page 226 (178)

            “autism” is on page 626(578 in the table 4E titled all unlisted events from serious unlisted spontaneous reports” so this data is also raw. And ALSO in table 4A on page 1147 (454)
            .
            And these are also in table 4E
            Astigmatism
            Herpes simplex – Page 613 (565)
            Herpes zoster – Page 613 (565)
            Forearm fracture Page 614 (566)
            And…….wait for it!!
            ARTHROPOD BITE – Page 614 (566)

            Spider bite and autism are all in the same tables!!!!!!!!!

            So again, explain how vaccines cause forearm fractures and spider bites!!! Parsing the tables will not help you.

          • Diddly doo

            You not only post crap – you write crap! double whammy

          • Justthefacts

            You post nothing at all except your mindless opinion. Correction: you post nothing at all, period.
            .
            Beware! vaccines apparently cause spider bites and forearm fractures.

          • Katia

            Big Whoop! There are almost a million doctors in the US. Last year, 92% of physicians took a flu shot themselves. This is a vaccine of known low efficiency, yet 92% of physicians gave it to themselves to decrease their chances of getting the flu. There are not many anti-vax doctors in the US or anywhere for that matter, no matter what your woos want you to think.

          • Chris Sky

            That’s a 100% complete lie ! no way in HELL did “92% of physicians take a flu shot” LOL you need an IQ of 92 to believe that! 😀

            i would love for you to cite that statisitc!

            here’s a REAL statistic… If the FLU VACCINE WORKED… there wouldn’t be tens of millions of people contracting the flu, ever year, and there wouldnt’ be hundreds of thousands of flu deaths, each year! 😀

            next you’re gonna tell me that the MEASLES VACCINES was responsible for “Wiping out Measles” 😀

          • Katia

            Here’s your cite: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/healthcareworkers.htm

            Do note I said “know low efficacy”.

          • I looked up the same “facts.” You were nicer than me. 🙂

          • I have an IQ substantially above 92.

            Here you go dumbass:

            http://www.cdc.gov/flu/healthcareworkers.htm

          • Chris Sky

            funny.. because this ABC article also cites the CDC and says only 40% of ALL HEALTHCARE WORKERS opted for the flu shot 😀 http://abcnews.go.com/Health/ColdandFluNews/story?id=6418974&page=1

            … I wonder why 60% of healthcare workers said “NO FLU SHOT FOR ME!

            furthermore,you do know that the CDC is NOT a government agency and receives the MAJORITY of it’s funding from BIG PHARMA (through foundations and even NPOs!)… so you cited a private contractor who exists as a middle man of ADVERTISEMENT for Big Pharma. That’s like me citing a tv commercial for “nicorrette” when im talking about how great it is, and pretending like it’s a non biased, realiable source… which it obviously isn’t, if I can find a source, citing the same agency, with vastly different numbers, contrary to yours 🙂

          • Justthefacts

            That’s not very good. After all, the 9/11 Truther list has a couple of thousand signatories. Inhofe’s list has over 600 signatories. Unfortunately for the anti-vaccine movement, apparently all the signatures the IMCV could scare up were around 80.
            .
            I mean, come on! With All those crunchy docs out there falling for “complementary and alternative medicine” and its attendant tendency towards antivaccine views, they could come up with only 80 people to sign, many of whom aren’t even doctors or nurses but homeopaths or chiropractors.

        • Justthefacts

          If you had bothered to read section 6.2, it would have explained that those are unedited reports and nobody has determined if the reports are accurate or real. It’s raw data. Its from “spontaneous notifications”. Try reading the whole paper.
          .
          That is why you are not qualified to read drug inserts. You don’t understand what they say.

          • Diddly doo

            Geez. Fuckthefacts is a loon! If it smells like it, tastes like it, looks like it – it is – unless you are a ‘vaccine believer’. What a muffed up belief system that is buddy.

          • Justthefacts

            Nope, I just actually read that document and you didn’t. Anti-vaxxers don’t need facts when they have their faith…..
            .
            You have “belief system”. I run on facts alone.

          • RobertAllen1

            How about a rundown of your medical qualifications, including education, experience and contributions to peer-reviewed, mainstream medical journals. Without them you are incompetent to assess the efficacy of vaccines or any other medicament.

      • Diddly doo

        Yeah just like – have an injection of this shit – it will protect you! Brilliant, where can I get some?

        • Thomas Bird

          yea what do those doctors know anyway? all you need is YouTube and to follow Jim Carrey on Twitter to get all the medical advice you need right?? Brilliant!

          • Diddly doo

            Hey Thomas, that punched through like a marshmallow cock! Don’t tell me you subscribe to that rigorous old medical piss review – you know the stuff you can pay for. Do you really have visions of doctors staying up all night researching news cures for…………. or the reality. ‘Grade A students’ are not generally known for their thinking prowess it’s more a case of being weally weally good at picking choices from a drop down menu, and I don’t mean tandoori. Come on don’t be a dull Tommy, get the thinking matter engaged and join the discussion. Your 90’s style septic cut and paste is a bit Barrett passe, try something new. Sia almost had a go, but once she started thinking it all fell apart.

          • Thomas Bird

            yea yea I know its all some big worldwide scientific conspiracy. Gee where have I heard this argument before? Funny how every ridiculous bullshit claim whether it be Young Earth Creationism, alien abduction conspiracy theories, Moon Landing hoaxers, 911 “truthers” or chemtrails kooks always start off with the good old worldwide science conspiracy drivel. Tell me tin foil hatter, what possible reason would anyone sane person have to take seriously your particular worldwide scientific conspiracy theory nonsense? Hmm I wonder whats more likely. That the entire worldwide medical community are all involved in a giant cover up, or that Jim Carrey, the guy from Deuce Bigalow and a collection of armchair medical “experts” on the internet are full of shit. wow thats a tough one.

  • Ade

    Well according to the FDA’s own website, adverse reactions to pharmaceutical drugs are the 4th leading cause of death, how does that square with those advocating that vaccines are safe http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DevelopmentApprovalProcess/DevelopmentResources/DrugInteractionsLabeling/ucm114848.htm

    • Yeah, out of the billions of doses of drugs, you’d expect adverse reactions because of dozens of reasons ranging from patient incompetence to physician incompetence to whatever. Typical of the ignorant class, you failed to look deeply into those numbers. How many were from patients who were terminal and physicians were working on “last hope” therapies. How many were errors from the pharmacy? How many were because patients lie about their health?

      This is why good skeptics, like myself, dig into the numbers to understand them, instead of making simplistic and ignorant statements that have the value of used toilet paper.

      • TryToUseYourBrain

        You are not a skeptic, you are a true believer that lies about the facts to confirm what is obviously an idea that you already have your mind made up about before your alleged research and analysis.

        I just wonder if it’s intentional or just confirmation bias.

        I will need to read more of your blog to see which one it is.

        • Justthefacts

          Project much?
          .
          The rational people here have volumes upon volumes of studies done worldwide on millions of people that show vaccines are safe and effective. The evidence collected of the past 100 years on vaccinations that are now given one million times a day if the US alone is overwhelming evidence.
          .
          The “true believers” are the anti-vaxxers that latch on to anti-vaxx site rumors hoping desperately to confirm their faith based belief.
          .
          You can question all the data you want, just like we do, you don’t pretend to say there isn’t data to support vaccines. It would fill a library.

    • Brian Black

      Subtract the number of deaths from addictive prescription medication from that number, better yet, count only the number of deaths from vaccination. Sheltering your argument by conflating several relatively unrelated statistics under one umbrella is just obfuscation of the facts.

      And how nice that we live in an age where medicine has advanced enough that it isn’t much lower on the list. Saying that because something is not perfect it is worthless is inherently fallacious and foolhardy. People on average are healthier and fewer fall to disease because of vaccines; Just because a few do not does not mean we should abandon the medicine altogether.

      • pwesley

        Yes, listen to Brian. Vaccines aren’t drugs, you idiot.

        Prescription drugs have to be tailored to each individual – taking into account medical history, previous immune response, all sorts of issues.

        Imagine if some CDC official said, every American has to take the same blood pressure medication – regardless of age, medical history, or whether or not you even have high blood pressure! Yeah, there would be a some fatalities.

        But vaccines are a ~completely~ different story! They come from unicorns. In some cases, vaccine ingredients are plucked directly out of rainbows. There’s no such thing as a bad fit – they work equally for everybody on the planet. Like Charlie & the Chocolate Factory. Just ask pediatrician Paul Offit MD. Every skeptic knows this!

        Only an idiot would deny this common sense. Any scientific evidence otherwise is obviously Taliban and not worthy of consideration (go Thomas, tell it like it is).

        • Brian Black

          And this is the foaming at the mouth, “there is a giant conspiracy and everyone is out to get me” lunacy I expect from anti-vaxxers. You aren’t cool or edgy parading around your ignorance. You are merely the man who knows little of crippling disease and calls for its return for not knowing it. Catch diphtheria, start to feel yourself dying. Then we will see what you think about vaccines.

          • pwesley

            Brian you fit in well here. Both you & Raptor base just about all of your accusations on assumptions, generalizations, non sequiturs, etc. And you flame anyone who raises an intelligent question you can’t answer (or refuse).

            When did I say conspiracy? When did I say out to get me? How the f-ck do you know my educational background? (which is vast, by the way)

            You mention diphtheria – let’s start there. Show everyone your recent DTP Vaccine (within last 5 years).

            If you yourself aren’t vaccinated with the 65+ shots that school children are required, then you have zero moral authority on this issue. Go ahead – show us, prove you’re not an anti-vax idiot.

          • Brian Black

            I am not posting my medical information on the internet unless you show me a picture that “proves” your educational background. Polio is popping back up in Europe thanks to people like you.

          • pwesley

            Ha! Misdirection. Go check Raptor’s list of fallacies – both of you violated at least 5 of them. When it comes to vaccines, Raptor violates his own fallacies repeatedly. It’s almost a parody of itself.

            My educational background has nothing to do with my argument (which stands on its own logic, prima facie). However, your moral authority is highly questionable – and you’re the one who picked this fight.

            Black out your name, and post your vaccine records! (That goes for you too, Raptor Sr.)

            You just now implied that you actually do have full vaccination records (which means all of these shots + boosters for most in the past 5 years: MMR, PPDV23, Hib, DTaP, Rotavirus, HepA, HebB, HPV, Meningococcal, Polio, VAR, & Flu). Bullies & nitwits tend also to be liars – a trifecta. I would bet everything I own that you’re lying.

          • Brian Black

            No more misdirection than you making a ridiculous requirement to qualify my argument. You seem to not understand what a logical fallacy is, because you think unqualified tu quoque is a good argument. Then again, you create strawmen and then declare others have committed fallacies in your belief you can use pure rationalism with a single individual to negate the huge amount of empirical evidence in my favor. I could use your same arguments to make any ridiculous claim I want and it would not defeat the facts simply because the world is both empirical and rational. That is the difference between me and you; I have a huge body of peer reviewed evidence, which you seem to think guilt by association of the investigators can nullify, and you have some absurd assertion that if one person is a hyprocrite, the evidence for his argument ceases to exist. You have failed to make a causal connection between the validity of vaccines and whether someone is a hypocrite or not.

            So I do not have to show you shit, my medical history has absolutely nothing to do with my argument. Vaccines are a huge net plus, and just because you can’t fathom what life was like before vaccines and the internet stroked your need for conspiratorial inclusivity doesn’t mean we should throw them away to sate your emotions while others foot the bill for your ignorance decades from now with their lives. You may think you can learn more about this subject with a few minutes of google than experts who have spent their entire lives in the field, but really this makes you no better than the arrogant millennials I see walking around who think their cell phone precludes any need for study to obtain expertise. So I stand by my first statement; show me your diploma or fuck you. I have spent a decade studying chemistry and biology and that idiots like you think access to the internet makes you the expert on everything is irksome and disrespectful to the point of brazen insult. Watching you try to justify your lack of knowledge and evidence by mistaking the seductive abilities of technology for your own ability is like a fat chick buying a curved mirror and then telling everyone she isn’t fat.

            Children need vaccinations because they are more susceptible to disease, and just because you think you know better doesn’t mean we should let you harm your own and/or someone else’s child in the process of finding out just how wrong you are.

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/04/06/anti-vaccine-movement-is-giving-diseases-a-2nd-life/7007955/
            is one example of the effect of people like you.

            Who cares if I am a bully, that does not make me incorrect, and calling me stupid with causality implied does not make it so. I call you names after I have made my point to rile you up, while you try to piggy back an entire other argument upon them. I am not responding until that diploma pops up here, the one that proves your “extensive” education in the field of biochemistry and medicine.

          • pwesley

            Brian admit it, you got owned. But I realize now, after reading your responses, that I’m dealing with a child (or maybe adolescent). All the ranting, trolling, flaming, etc. No wonder you refuse to answer my questions. Sorry, I’m not engaging a child any further.

          • cable1977

            Funny thing is, I answered your question, yet you couldn’t even acknowledge the fact that you were 100% wrong. So, who’s the child now? Isn’t there a bridge somewhere for you to harass some goats?

          • Brian Black

            And now you have no argument what so ever. Every person I have met that tied their self worth to a political position assumed their opponents were childish. I can almost see the blood coming from your eyes. How satisfying.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            You are the liar.
            MMR No booster needed if history of 2 confirmed vaccinations. (The geriatric booster recommendation is a “just in case…”)
            PPD is a TB exposure test.
            Hib-pediatric vaccination
            Hep A/B-completion of the series confers lifetime immunity
            HPV is contraindicated for anyoe over age 26
            Menningococcal-lifetime immunity
            Polio lifetime immunity
            Varicella-lifetime immunity
            The flu vaccine changes every year in response to antigen changes in the wild
            My vaccinations are current due to my service in the military

          • Your educational background appears to about at the third grade, at least scientifically. Case closed.

            I mock. I don’t accuse. And when ALL of the fucking evidence supports the FACT that vaccines are relatively safe and very effective, and you have nothing but bullshit….well, we get to mock you mercilessly. Although your third grade education might make me sympathetic.

          • pwesley

            “Nothing but bullshit”…yet you can’t answer the 2 simple questions I laid on the table:

            (1) Why do prescription drugs get tailored to the individual (based on real life “sciency” things, like one’s medical history), yet vaccines are mandated for *everyone*, regardless of medical history or previous reactions (sometimes serious, near lethal reactions)?

            I doubt you can formulate a response without the bullying & grade school name-calling, but maybe somebody here can attempt to provide a sensible answer to this question (I’ve never, ever received an answer).

            and, (2) Are you just a giant hypocrite (and maybe a closet anti-vaxxer yourself), or will you post your vaccine record for all to see? Prove you have some moral authority here.

            Personally, I don’t think you (or the Raptor) are actually vaccinated. I think you’re scared. Frankly, I doubt anybody on this blog has up-to-date vaccines.

            PS – And let me state the obvious. You, sir, are a flaming troll. You hurl names & accusations, lacking even a hint of wit or intelligence. Those are the last resorts of someone who has been beat, by 2 simple questions. (And you were crushed by someone with a 3rd grade education, to boot!). All of this goes for Raptor Sr. as well.

          • cable1977

            “Why do prescription drugs get tailored to the individual (based on real
            life “sciency” things, like one’s medical history), yet vaccines are
            mandated for *everyone*, regardless of medical history or previous
            reactions (sometimes serious, near lethal reactions)?”

            Ummm….except vaccines aren’t mandated for everyone regardless of medical history. There are many individuals who cannot get vaccinated specifically because of their medical history including have certain diseases (i.e. cancer or an immunodeficiency) or because they have an allergy to an ingredient or have had a previous reaction to vaccines. The CDC even has a whole section devoted to vaccine contraindications:

            http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/recs/vac-admin/contraindications.htm

            So, either you’re so clueless that you don’t understand how vaccines are actually given or you are aware and you are simply providing misinformation. So, which is it? Dishonesty or ignorance? I also don’t buy that no one ever answered this question before. I think that’s likely you lying again.

          • pwesley

            Wow you people are clueless. The new California law offers no exemptions, no not even medical. Not really. If you are undergoing chemotherapy, you can get an extension. Even a previous vaccine reaction — even a vaccine settlement — is not a valid exemption. New York city schools have been also doing this for several years. About a half dozen states are headed the same direction. And it’s all because of self-righteous fundamentalists like you. Hope you’re proud of all the children you’re going to maim. Next step is California wants to make a huge list of vaccines mandatory for any adult who wants to work in the state.

          • cable1977

            “Wow you people are clueless.”

            Not really. I’d be happy to put my scientific knowledge up against yours any day of the week and twice on Sunday. It seems that all you can do is regurgitate anti-vaccine talking points wrapped up with some whipped cream on top and a nice conspiracy theory cherry.

            “The new California law offers no exemptions, no not even medical.”

            Really? Did you actually read the law?

            https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB277

            “If the parent or guardian files with the governing authority a written
            statement by a licensed physician to the effect that the physical
            condition of the child is such, or medical circumstances relating to the
            child are such, that immunization is not considered safe, indicating
            the specific nature and probable duration of the medical condition or
            circumstances, including, but not limited to, family medical history,
            for which the physician does not recommend immunization, that child
            shall be exempt from the requirements of
            Chapter 1”

            So, either you didn’t read the bill and are simply regurgitating a talking point you heard somewhere else or you’ve just been caught lying. Which is it? Either way, you aren’t looking very good here at all.

            Notice how you also didn’t address my comment above at all, even though I pointed you directly to the CDC website where they state that vaccines do have contraindications for people with certain medical histories, including previous reactions to vaccines, a direct answer to the question you stated above that you never received an answer to. So, do you have any legitimate source to back up your various claims or just more rhetoric?

          • Katia

            Adults can’t get DTP vaccine. In fact, no one gets DTP any more. Kids get DTaP. Adults get Tdap one time per lifetime unless pregnant, and Td. They’re recommended every 10 years. Where’d you come up with this five year thing? Just made it up?

    • Thomas

      What does that have to do with vaccines moron? Stop spreading dangerous the EXACT same dangerous junk science as the Taliban https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJtDvqx84BE

    • Lola Knudsen

      Yeah because drug addicts are drug addicts. Really has nothing to do with vaccines. Here is a gold star for trying to contribute.

  • Alan Hysinger

    Keep your head in the sand. Or read this PDF. You might even want to search for the word “autism”. Remember, the insert also says “Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting.”

    http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf

    • So more argument ad package insert. Good for you.

    • Justthefacts

      Are you providing a perfect example to support the article on purpose? To show that you are not qualified to read an insert, I’ll post exactly what it said after the word “autism”:
      .
      “because these events are reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine”
      .
      That is why you should not be allowed to read inserts. You are not bright enough to understand them.

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  • Spencer James Smith

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4CwROrKG8A . “Published on Dec 12, 2013

    On November 7th, 2013, members of the vaccine injury community held a briefing for congressional staffers to present many of the problems in the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program in preparation for hearings in the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

    Professor Mary Holland, Head of Graduate Legal Studies at NYU, and Rolf Hazelhurst
    Father in one of the test cases In the Omnibus Autism Proceeding, and Assistant District Attorney General, State of Tennessee, present the case against the VICP and call for reform.”

    watch from 5 min – 10 min to show how much of a conflict of interest there is in the whole process of making a claim for vaccine injury.

    • Spencer James Smith

      any takers?

      • Most of us ignore Mary Holland. She has no superior knowledge of the science of vaccines. She’s one huge conflict of interest.

  • Spencer James Smith

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8FCJ_VPyns “The Exploding Autoimmune Epidemic – Dr. Tent – It’s Not Autoimmune, you have Viruses.” shedding some light on where the conspiracy view on this comes from. and i cant remember if he includes this, but the UN has a depopulation agenda. and that is what is behind the media and government push for vaccines.

    • Spencer James Smith

      Any takers?

      • Justthefacts

        Nope. Old lies. No data supports those suppositions.

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  • jeff_jos72

    WTF am I reading here? The vaccine inserts says the side effects are “Death”, “Pancreatic Illness”, and hundreds more side effects, however this writer spews this nonsense as though people are dummies.

    • Well, you said it not me. You’re maybe not a dummy, but you are an ignorant little twit.

      You fail to understand what constitutes a real adverse reaction. But see, I’m educated, you sit at google and pontificate on your ignorance.

      • jeff_jos72

        I personally know a family whose children had an adverse reaction everytime their kids got the shot, the father owns two business and status that the vaccines affected his kids. However you want to be the one who feels that having the same reactions everytime a child gets vaccinated until the child looses their vocabulary does not constitute to adverse reactions. You also resort to Google as an insult, as if you knew how I obtained my information; so I guess you wear your ignorance as a crown of glory. Sorry for your ignorance, I wish you could see it.

        • Brian Black

          Anecdotes? What nonsense.

          On the other hand there is a drug called cisplatin. It is a drug that has many debilitating side effects: permanent damage to the kidneys, permanent mild hearing loss and pernicious and disabling nausea. It is a miraculous drug that when introduced reduced the fatality of many cancers, particularly testicular, which dropped from 90% fatality to 15% fatality if caught late and 5% if caught early. Sometimes benefits outweigh the negatives, and the bodies immune response to vaccines can sometimes be a bit uncomfortable, but much less so than dying from asphyxiation from pertussis coughs or diphtheria traveling to the larynx, or suffering the aftereffects of polio. I had a Biology professor who asserted that people who do not vaccinate their children should be infected and forced to feel what it would be like to die from one of the many diseases we no longer have to suffer from, and the previous sentence is far from exhaustive.

          • jeff_jos72

            It doesn’t surprise me that you think that a parent who’s child has lost their mind to these chemical reaction to vaccines are amusing. Most provaccine people usually dismiss the victims of vaccinated children until it happends to them, then they start to realize how real this is. Also the provaccine supporters always resort to name calling and other delusions to support thier belief on how glorious this witches brew is. Continue in you delusions. Pharma is laughing all the way to the bank. I have a friend who has never vaccinated her child, her brother vaccinates his child, guess which one is sick the most? Perhaps you can run with the unvaccinated child being sick the most if it makes you feel good.

          • Brian Black

            You responded to none of my arguments, put words into my mouth and then proceeded to call me names and say “You’ll be sorry one day” as if that is a valid argument. I don’t even think you read past the first sentence.

            Saying I was “amused” is a blatant strawman, arguing from anecdotes is also a fallacy, and your entire argument is a fallacy called denying the antecedent, which means you assumed that because vaccines for every disease are not perfect, they are completely ineffective (this is also a formal fallacy, which means that it can be proven wrong mathematically, and is therefore always incorrect). I know you don’t care in your emotional fervor, but the other readers should be spared your toxic fear mongering mob populism, so I point out your arguments many failures to them.

            It is people like you who irritate me the most. You are not intelligent and neither is your friend; the ability to open your web browser and get a feed of constant confirmation bias does not give you more evidence than or make you more intelligent than people who have spent their entire lives trying to cure diseases so you do not have to suffer from them. The only reason I respond to people like you rather than just letting you slowly kill yourself through banality is that idiots like you are causing outbreaks of diseases that we have already eliminated.
            Willful arrogance is a cancer, and yours puts other lives in danger.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Correlation does not equal causation……

        • Anecdotes have all of the value of say dirty toilet paper. It gets flushed down the toilet.

          The reason anecdotes are simply rejected is because they’re filled with biases, the data isn’t controlled, and the population of said data isn’t statistically valid. Humans think anecdotes have value, because that’s how we evolved. Grunt tells Gerta that eating that purple berry makes stomach hurt. Gerta needs to accept the anecdote because it could mean death. But we don’t know if Grunt is allergic. Or a sociopath trying to monopolize the purple berry trade. Or that Grunt ate something else that had nothing to do with berries.

          This is why science was invented. It is a logical way to discern facts from anecdotes. And that’s why rational people ignore anecdotes.

          Also, if you use ad hominem attacks and lack evidence supporting your position, robust evidence published in top journals? Well, that just makes you a fucking dumbass.

          • jeff_jos72

            Here is another anecdote, vaccines turn people into ass holes. Also, because something has the label of “science” doesn’t make it true. Perhaps you never heard of fraudulent science, or how science is constantly changing, perhaps you never heard of this guy who was put away for stating that hand washing is necessary before surgery, or how patients,used to be given mercury to drink, which was called “science”. Do yourself a favor, keep off the vaccines, then perhaps you won’t be so vile ass hole.

        • Delius

          “the father owns two business and status” — which certainly makes him an expert on vaccines and vaccine reactions! I’m convinced!

    • Justthefacts

      Do you know what else it says? ” motor vehicle accident, and accidental drowning” Do you think that vaccines cause motor vehicle accidents, and accidental drownings? Answer that for me?

  • pwesley

    After reading a few of your posts, I’m thoroughly confused why you call yourself a skeptic. A skeptic is a person who questions conventional wisdom, who applies critical thinking to the mainstream way of doing things. But at every turn, you’re defending the mainstream, basically just repeating the information passed down from mainstream media, Big Pharma press releases, etc.

    This post is a great example: If you heed the information the drug company provides you, you’re being a tin-foil hat club anti-vaccine nut job? It’s their own data. I mean, you’re basically saying not to trust either side of this debate, just shut up & comply or I’m an idiot? That’s not exactly the approach a skeptic would take. Don’t trust ~any~ study that is anti-vaccine (they’re obviously ALL lunatics with no validity whatsoever), and you’re also telling me not to trust ~any~ information the company itself gives me that might negatively influence my decision to go along with the crowd. So…your solution, just let anyone with a white lab coat inject my children with whatever they say, just because they say so? Without even doing a patient history etc? May I ask, are *you* caught up on all *your* vaccines? You’ve actually taken the 60+ shots that most schools are now requiring?

    I’m not criticizing you for going along with the majority (not calling you sheeple or making any jokes about drinking the Koolaid), but you’re not adding anything to any discussion by “parroting” someone else’s talking points. All I’m saying is, this should be called the Apologist’s Blog (opposite of skeptic).

    • Lawrence McNamara

      You really don’t know what a “skeptic” is do you? There is a line (and it isn’t even a fine one) between being a skeptic and being a denier – anti-vax idiots deny any and all evidence that points to the safety and effectiveness of vaccines….skeptics look at the evidence on both sides.

      We’ve done that – and it turns out that there is no “evidence” or “science” on the other side of the vaccine debate – there is only emotional appeals and studies done by individuals with serious ethical issues (and mostly not even basic education into the science they purport to use).

      And if you actually spoke with a pediatrician, you’d know that a lot goes into the conversation about vaccines and scheduling….

    • That is not a skeptic. You just think every bit of nonsense ever stated has equal value, a position that is intellectually corrupt and lazy. I’ve written about skepticism. Try reading it.

      • pwesley

        Wow, defensive much? LOL

        And, make assumptions much? Generalize much? LOL OMG …I take in every bit of nonsense ever stated? All this based on one post?

        Nice way of avoiding the question: Are you caught up on your vaccines? If not, you have no moral authority at all. Typical hypocrite.

        Let’s see it – provide a scan of your vax records.

  • Mike7106

    Skeptical Raptor Let me ask you a few questions. Do you know what a neurotoxin is? Do you know snake venom is a neurotoxin? Do you believe the human body has evolved to create an exit process for injected vaccine ingredients such as neurotoxins and other toxins zealously avoided to prevent contact and ingestion?

    Please tell me where all the aluminum adjuvant neurotoxins in injected vaccines end up. By definition NEUROtoxins migrate to the brain and injure it.

    • kellymbray

      Have you ever taken and passed a chemistry or biology class?

      • Mike7106

        As I remember I sat behind you in Biology. Yikes, how scarlet you got when your uncle, Vice-principal Bray, arrived 2 days a week to escort you to your remedial cognitive reading meeting. Bray would bellow “Today hombre.” The reference to your side of the family changing their name to Mbray never failed to disrupt the class for a full 1/2 minute after you slammed the door behind you.

        • kellymbray

          A simple no would have been a sufficient answer. But everyone reading your rambling bullshit already knew that.

        • Lawrence McNamara

          What an ass…..your lack of scientific understanding is a credit to whatever homeschooling you might have received.

  • Mike7106

    Truth be told I doubt pro vaxers even vaccinate or have young children.
    If they were vaccinating they would be experiencing the tragedy that is
    vaccine hysteria. Today’s vaccines and the accelerated schedule likely
    damage every child in some way. There is no way for the body to prevent
    the vaccine’s neurotoxins and other toxic ingredients from meandering
    through the body and causing damage. Much of that damage is to
    potential. As in who knows what she would have accomplished had she not
    been injected many times with neurotoxins.

    • Lawrence McNamara

      There is no “hysteria.” There are stupid & idiotic anti-vax individuals who wouldn’t know science if it came up and bit them….

      • ILoveObama2Death

        What causes autism?

        • Lawrence McNamara

          Well, current evidence points of a variety of genetic conditions / defects – linked to a fair number of genes, which seem to be related to causative factors like the age of the mother, age of the father, and other related issues.

          • ILoveObama2Death

            What are the studies that say that, because the head of the CDC does not know what cause autism. Also why such a drastic increase in the cases over the last 2 decades or so? Are you blaming mothers age? What are the ” other related issues”?

          • Lawrence McNamara

            The diagnostic criteria has changed dramatically over the past 30 years – many children who are now considered autistic would not have been twenty years ago (the largest increase in at the higher end of the spectrum). Surveys done on adult populations show a rate of autism equivalent to what we see in children…thus, no real increase, just better diagnostics.

          • ILoveObama2Death

            I really appreciate your answer, but do forgive me for being a bit skeptical for accepting said answer without source citations. Could you address my other questions/statements?

          • Lawrence McNamara
          • ILoveObama2Death

            I went to the NIH site, and this is what stuck out in my mind: “The lack of evidence from the majority of the world’s population suggests a critical need for further research and capacity building in low- and middle-income countries.” Would you address my other comments?

          • Lawrence McNamara

            I’m not “blaming” anyone – it has been proposed that both maternal and paternal age seems to play a role in the likelihood that a child will be diagnosed with autism.

            http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/autism-maternal-age/

            http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=668208

            If I have missed something, please reiterate the questions.

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            TI
            The contribution of diagnostic substitution to the growing administrative prevalence of autism in US special education.
            AU
            Shattuck PT
            SO
            Pediatrics. 2006;117(4):1028.

            OBJECTIVE: Growing administrative prevalence of autism has stirred public controversy and concern. The extent to which increases in the administrative prevalence of autism have been associated with corresponding decreases in the use of other diagnostic categories is unknown. The main objective of this study was to examine the relationship between the rising administrative prevalence of autism in US special education and changes in the use of other classification categories.
            METHODS: The main outcome measure was the administrative prevalence of autism among children ages 6 to 11 in US special education. Analysis involved estimating multilevel regression models of time-series data on the prevalence of disabilities among children in US special education from 1984 to 2003.
            RESULTS: The average administrative prevalence of autism among children increased from 0.6 to 3.1 per 1000 from 1994 to 2003. By 2003, only 17 states had a special education prevalence of autism that was within the range of recent epidemiological estimates. During the same period, the prevalence of mental retardation and learning disabilities declined by 2.8 and 8.3 per 1000, respectively. Higher autism prevalence was significantly associated with corresponding declines in the prevalence of mental retardation and learning disabilities. The declining prevalence of mental retardation and learning disabilities from 1994 to 2003 represented a significant downward deflection in their preexisting trajectories of prevalence from 1984 to 1993. California was one of a handful of states that did not clearly follow this pattern.
            CONCLUSIONS: Prevalence findings from special education data do not support the claim of an autism epidemic because the administrative prevalence figures for most states are well below epidemiological estimates. The growing administrative prevalence of autism from 1994 to 2003 was associated with corresponding declines in the usage of other diagnostic categories.
            AD
            Waisman Center, University of Wisconsin, Madison, WI 53705, USA. shattuck@waisman.wisc.edu
            PMID
            16585296

          • Mike7106

            Another nitwit. 1 out of 68 kids becoming autistic is of little concern. Go get another flu shot. Of course the CDC said 1 of 6 children has a learning disability.

            http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/developmentaldisabilities/features/birthdefects-dd-keyfindings.html

            Key Findings: Trends in the Prevalence of Developmental Disabilities in U. S. Children, 1997–2008

          • VikingAPRNCNP

            Evidence of adverse effects related to exposure to multiple antigens is lacking. In a cohort of 1047 children who were exposed to an average of >10,000 antigens by age 24 months (predominantly through whole cell pertussis vaccine), there was no association between increasing antigen exposure and adverse neuropsychologic outcomes (eg, general intellectual function, speech and language, verbal memory, attention and executive function, tics, achievement, visual spatial ability, and behavior regulation)
            Number of antigens in early childhood vaccines and neuropsychological outcomes at age 7-10 years.
            AU
            Iqbal S, Barile JP, Thompson WW, DeStefano F
            SO
            Pharmacoepidemiol Drug Saf. 2013;22(12):1263.

            Interstingly increased antigens were also associated with higher cognitive function scores.

            However, children with higher antigen counts up to 24 months performed better on attention and executive function tests (odds ratio for lower scores = 0.51, 95% confidence interval = 0.26, 0.99). Similar results were found with SEM analysis (b = 0.08, p = 0.02).
            CONCLUSIONS: We did not find any adverse associations between antigens received through vaccines in the first two years of life and neuropsychological outcomes in later childhood. Published 2013. This article is a U.S. Government work and is in the public domain in the USA.

          • Ade

            How much do you get paid for protecting Big Pharma.

          • Lawrence McNamara

            Sorry, I protect the health of children for free….the mocking of anti-vaxers is just a fringe-benefit.

          • Brian Black

            How is Joseph McCarthy doing over there?

      • Mike7106

        Vaccination is a concept of hope that has morphed to an addictive
        mindset promulgated and nurtured for profit, control, and subjugation of
        society by snakeoil salesmen.

        I wish the anti vaccine
        spokespersons would just bang their opponent with “Why do you think the
        neurotoxins in vaccines are safe for infants or anyone for that matter?”
        That’s all that has to be discussed. There is nothing left since
        neurotoxin is a poison by definition. Neurotoxins are substances that
        are poisonous or destructive to nerve tissue.

        ALL the vaccines
        recommended for children contain aluminum neurotoxins which by
        definition are poisonous. Neurotoxins are substances that are poisonous
        or destructive to nerve tissue.

        Vaccines are an over 200 year old
        medical concept that is essentially throwing water on a grease fire.
        The reason we have skin is to keep foreign substances away from the
        complex processes that maintain and keep the body functioning normally.
        Every drug or vaccine side effect is the body becoming dysfunctional. If
        a child has a seizure after receiving a vaccine the “doctor” will say
        it’s normal and nothing to worry about. Normal? Pretty inane since
        pretty much all vaccine adjuvants are laced with aluminum neurotoxins.

        The human body is highly complex and synchronized wikipedia./Human_body

        “At
        maturity, the estimated average number of cells in the body is given as
        37.2 trillion. This number is stated to be of partial data and to be
        used as a starting point for further calculations. The number given is
        arrived at by totalling the cell numbers of all the organs of the body
        and cell types.[2] The composition of the human body shows it to be
        composed of a number of certain elements, such as Ca2+, Na+, K+, C, etc,
        in different proportions.”

        Swallowed/ingested snake venom is of little consequence/danger.
        Swallowed/ingested mercury or aluminum has FDA safety levels.
        Venom injected through the skin is very dangerous.
        Mercury or aluminum injected through the skin are not subject to the aforementioned FDA safety levels.

        It’s
        likely a billion or more to one that a vaccine of today, intended to
        interfere with your metabolism by overstimulating its immune system,
        will not harm you in any way. Just the presence of foreign matter,
        foreign chemicals, in a body controlled and given life by billions of
        chemical interactions SCREAMS insanity.

        Think of an automobile.
        Your body is much more complex. A billion times more? Many billions? Add
        a few drops of water to the engine or to the oil supply. The car would
        run just fine but the water would make its performance imperceptibly
        less than an identical car without the water. More water, less gas or
        oil and the performance may become discernibly less. Now the reason
        vaccines are so dangerous. Let the water, just a drop or so, somehow
        reach the car’s computer and the car’s performance can/may become
        erratic or just stop.
        Other than virus matter vaccines are chemicals that travel through your circulatory system without purpose.
        Round
        and round they go interfering with bodily processes that are the result
        of evolution. When they “arrive” bodily processes may go haywire trying
        to cope with their presence.

        One of the many bottom lines
        against today’s vaccines is that they are a relatively uncomplicated,
        one size fits all mixture of ingredients that never naturally enter the
        body through the skin. These relatively simple concoctions are
        presumptuously tasked to manipulate the complex task/process that is the
        human immune system. And, even more dire, the human immune system must
        contend with the intrusion of the ingredients of those concoctions. From
        formaldehyde to aluminum adjuvants used to overstimulate the immune
        system.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          Humans are exposed to aluminum through natural exposure through diet.

          Formaldehyde is a natural byproduct of metabolism…..

          You sir are a hysteric.

    • VikingAPRNCNP

      Both of my children were fully vaccinated. The oldest will complete her pediatric nurse practitioner degree next May.
      The youngest just completed her secondary science teaching degree.
      I am a psychiatric nurse practitioner. Fully vaccinated.

      • Mike7106

        SMH
        2015 CDC schedule is 49 doses before age 6
        1983 CDC schedule was 10 doses before age 6
        Without those vaccines they both may have become doctors.

        Every vaccine given to a precious child or infant is an entirely new
        experience for his or her young body. That makes it an experiment.

        • VikingAPRNCNP

          The only vaccination that was added was chickenpox.

          Fewer antigens today than 1980…

          With manufacturing advances and discontinuation of smallpox immunization, children are exposed to fewer antigens today than they were in 1980

          Vaccine refusal: issues for the primary care physician.
          AU
          Lyren A, Leonard E
          SO
          Clin Pediatr (Phila). 2006;45(5):399.

          AD
          Department of Pediatrics, Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH, USA.

  • Mike7106

    Do you see any ingredient you would swallow, handle, let touch your
    eyes. The same for a loved one? Child? Baby? Do you see any ingredient
    you would inject into your child, your baby, or yourself? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_vaccine_ingredients

  • Kevin Burber

    FYI – I went to the website of a pharmaceutical company that I knew to make vaccines to look at the PI and I got this warning before getting to the there (It’s pretty standard practice) –

    Important Notice

    This site is intended for US Healthcare Professionals. By clicking continue, you are acknowledging that you are a US Healthcare Professional.

    Hmmmm…I wonder why they do that?

    I’m not sure what most anti-vaxers do for a living, but let me give you an example. My spouse works with “big data” and I often mock, saying I know SQL. Of course, I’m joking. I can write a very basic query if I need to…I dunno…get all of the entries that start with the letter “A”. This is not AT ALL what the job entails – using complex queries from a number of sources and then uses statistical programs like SAS and R to fully analyze the data and has on occasion written new code. Formally educated as a mathematician and used to be in R&D for a software company. So that they are aware, what they are doing is akin to me saying I could do the job because I can do a simple SQL query.

    It is one thing to be smart…and another to be knowledgeable. I consider myself pretty darn smart, but I’m not a mathematician, an engineer, not a doc, not a air traffic controller. I could probably do those things if I invested the years, but I can’t obtain the breadth and depth of knowledge required to fully understand all aspects of all fields, so I rely on those who have.

    Another example – a reasonably educated person could understand this:

    http://www.garlandscience.com/res/pdf/9780815341468_ch01.pdf

    But not this:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3987986/pdf/nihms570154.pdf

    Just my two cents…take it for what it’s worth.
    Let me make that four cents – That is the best – most comprehensive and accurate – explanation of a PI I think I’ve seen. Thank you for putting the time in to write it.

    • Mike7106

      How can the garland PDF discuss vaccines without mentioning (aluminum)adjuvants? And that they are neurotoxins? It gets a huge FAIL.

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  • Human

    This article is the biggest crock of shit I have ever wasted time reading. Vaccine inserts do NOT compare to unvaccinated populations. Their so-called souble blind studies are against a different vaccine, NOT no vaccine. And I have NEVER met a doctor who has actually read an insert. Otherwise they would not be recommending certain vaccines to a pregnant woman, or someone undergoing radiation (my grandfather) if they actually did proper research. And they certainly do not like it when you ask to read the insert, they dmeand that you inject yourself with a vaccine and give you a hard time when you even ask a question about it.

    For the record, I am NOT anti vaccine. But I do believe in having ALL the information and that includes reading the information about ANY substance your doctor wants you to take, including vaccines, antibiotics, and medications to name a few.

    • DJEB

      An insert is not a medical paper, so of course it would not be a double-blind study. And regarding double bind studies, they are a red herring. This is an article on what package inserts are and how they are composed.

      Whether you’ve met a doctor who has read a vaccine insert is neither here nor there with respect to what an insert is. Unverifiable anecdotes are perhaps fun to post, but you could show enough introspection as to see if they are relevant or not.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        “And regarding double bind studies, they are a red herring. This is an article on what package inserts are and how they are composed.”

        Actually it’s not, because the whole premise of the article is “Vaccine Inserts are not a Good Source because Statistics from Studies are Better” – If the statistics are not proper double-blind studies, then the entire article is bogus.

        • DJEB

          “Human” is the one raising the issue of double-blind studies.

          It’s a good issue to raise. Here’s why double-blind studies are not done: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pByYy2uhIIU

          • Gregg Braddoch

            So, what you are saying is – Ethical concerns keep us from doing a proper study – My question then is – Why would we consider these studies to actually be fact, when every other clinical trial needs double-blind studies to demonstrate it’s efficacy?

            If this is the ‘scientific’ standard, then it qualifies acupuncture and astrology as “medical science.”

            Essentially these “scientific researchers” are saying “Vaccines work, but we can’t do a proper study to show they work, because that would be unethical, because they work.” Circular logic FTW?

          • DJEB

            The efficacy of vaccination has long been established (vaccination has a 1000-year history, as a matter of fact). They don’t need to do a double-blind study on every vaccines because they know how immunity is conferred. What the need to study and do study is if the vaccine is effective at providing immunity, and if it is safe. This is not remotely the same animal as developing a new heart drug or anti-depressant where the mechanism of the drug is not known.

          • DJEB

            And I notice the goal posts have shifted away from “vaccine inserts say” to “double blind.”

          • Gregg Braddoch

            None of the reasons you give above support efficacy testing without placebo.

          • DJEB

            If you develop a new heart drug, you need to see if it actually works to help patients. You do that with a double-bind test.

            We know how the immune system responds. If you develop a new vaccine, you see if the patient develops antibodies via blood test. You don’t need a double blind test for that.

    • kellymbray

      Is there a problem with your CAPS lock?

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  • I just discovered this on Dr. Folta’s Facebook page, and thought it would be cool to share with you, Raptor. I’m not sure if you’ve seen it. “There was a poster at the AgCanada14 Conference of good online sources for agriculture information.” https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=839690939406919&set=a.137700549605965.14548.100000980613760&type=1

    • Yes, I did see it. And I’m so humbled by it. 🙂

      • I cheered when I saw that so many folks I respect and admired were acknowledged for their hard work. Now, we need to get you guys recognized by the rest of the nation & world.

  • My favorite tactic when someone mentions package inserts is to mention the funny AE I caused to be listed on the Cialis insert.

  • Dorit Reiss

    I can’t start to tell you how valuable this is.

    • Thank you Dorit. And that’s why I updated it, because I didn’t realize how many different articles cite it. I try to keep a dozen or so of the most cited articles up-to-date.

    • Spencer James Smith

      so he has explained the inserts, big deal, and i dont care that autism isnt on there. it all depends on what sources you believe. its all second hand information. honestly. only few people really KNOW. i even know someone who researches vaccine development for her job. you would think she would know whats going on right? wrong, not necessarily. a lot of times first someone has to have a really open mind. or have reason to believe there could be a conspiracy or reason why vaccines were purposely not safe. whether for just doing whatever they want to get money, or something bigger like a depopulation agenda. guess what this girl is taught in university about everything she is dealing with? she is given information and results of studies that she didnt do. experiments she didnt do. statistics she did not gather. guess who does this? the CDC, which is a conflict of interest. and most other studies will be biased or manipulated to show or support vaccine safety and effectiveness because anything that doesnt the scientist risks losing their career and sometimes even their pension.

      i choose to be VERY wary of anything the government seems to really want to push by force and is being pushed by most of mainstream news. sites like these just cause me built up stress and cant stand them and the people that make them. the WHO is principally funded by rockefeller. naturally i dont trust the WHO. i choose to believe the doctors that are against vaccines and explain how they got to that conclusion. there are coverups and misleading causes and effects, and information not being told.

      • Delius

        So you choose to believe only those people who say things you already believe. Got it.

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  • Mike7106

    http://www.merckmanuals.com/home/brain_spinal_cord_and_nerve_disorders/brain_infections/encephalitis.html

    Merck states “Encephalitis is inflammation of the brain
    that occurs when a virus directly infects the brain or when a virus,
    vaccine, or something else triggers inflammation. The spinal cord may
    also be involved, resulting in a disorder called encephalomyelitis.

    People may have a fever, headache, or seizures, and they may feel sleepy, numb, or confused.

    Magnetic resonance imaging of the head and a spinal tap are usually done.

    Treatment involves relieving symptoms and sometimes using antiviral drugs.

    Encephalitis can occur in the following ways:

    A virus directly infects the brain.

    A virus that caused an infection in the past becomes reactivated and directly damages the brain.

    A virus or vaccine triggers a reaction that makes the immune system attack brain tissue (an autoimmune reaction).”

    Vaccines cause Encephalitis. Encephalitis causes autism.

    • Here’s your stupidity in no particular order:

      1. The mountains of peer-reviewed evidence show us that vaccines are unrelated to autism.

      2. Nothing else matters.

      3. The Merck Manual is incorrect in this matter.

      4. Medline Plus, the official diagnostic guide of the National Institutes of Health does not include vaccines as a cause of encephalitis.

      http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001415.htm

      5. The Diseases DB does not include vaccines as a cause of encephalitis in any form.

      http://www.diseasesdatabase.com/ddb22543.htm

      6. Cherry picking one sentence out of an article without actually understanding the point. That is, the virus would have caused the reaction anyways, so the vaccine would not have mattered. If the person had become infected with the virus, it would have lead to the autoimmune disease. That being said, the literature shows no general causal relationship between vaccines of any sort and encephalitis.

      You’re just a cherry picking idiot. Go troll a website that actually tolerates ignorance and stupidity.

      • Mike7106

        You’ve had one too many brain mushing flu shots if you think Merck would posit that in error.

        • Mike7106

          One of the nurses from the Nurses Who Vaccinate FB page said that parents exempting their children from vaccines won’t stop until there is an epidemic. I wonder what she calls a 1 in 70 child autism rate? Or the huge number of asthmatic children. http://www.lung.org/finding-cures/our-research/trend-reports/asthma-trend-report.pdf Current Prevalence Age-specific current asthma prevalence trends are shown in Table 7 . Approximately 25.9 million Americans (including 7.1 million children) had asthma in 2011; a rate of 84.8 per 1,000 population. The highest prevalence rate was seen in those 5-17 years of age (105.5 per 1,000 population). Overall, the rate in those under 18 (94.9 per 1,000) was significantly greater than those over 18 (81.6 per 1,000; not shown ). 11

          • Dorit Reiss

            Since the evidence is that the rate of autism has not actually changed across decades – http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=9313675&fileId=S003329171400172X – that vaccines do not cause autism or asthma, that point is really not relevant to this discussion. Not vaccinating would not prevent any of these problems – just add preventable diseases on top.

            I would call an epidemic having 10000 cases of whooping cough in California. Back partly because of a vaccine that’s not effective enough and partly thanks to non-vaccinating. Having tens of thousands of cases of measles in Europe. All preventable, because of anti-vaccine misinformation.

          • Mike7106

            When you have absolutely NOTHING just LIE. That’s what “people” like REISS do and have been doing for ever.

          • Dorit Reiss

            If anything I said is inaccurate, please show that.

          • Mike7106

            “Since the evidence is that the rate of autism has not actually changed across decades – ” That’s not just a lie it shows how little you care about the children who have become autistic.

          • Dorit Reiss

            Have you looked at the article above, that calculated the rate of autism over decades and showed exactly that?

            The rate of autism diagnoses has certainly gone up. But that does not mean there are more children with autism. To remind you, we have a broader diagnosis, better awareness, and more services.

          • kellymbray

            “Scumbag zionists control America.”

            FYI. Mike7106 is a special kind of scumbag

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            Yeah, special. Here is another gem: “Hitler has what to do with Iran? Zionists engineered WWII just as they are engineering terrorist chaos world wide, especially the ME.”

          • Chi

            The rate of autism hasn’t changed. It’s just that now we are better at diagnosing what does and does not fall upon the autism spectrum. Thus enabling people who are autistic to get whatever help they may need.

            Go back 50 years and they would have been thrown in an institution as ‘weird’ or ‘unstable’.

          • Mike7106

            Really? So where are the many millions of autistic seniors?

          • Bridget47

            If they were instiutionalized, they’re dead, Mike. check the life expectancy for the mentally retarded born in the 1960s.

            Dorit gave you a link to the research- are you unable to open the link?

          • Spencer James Smith

            a lot has been. you are just too stubborn to see the real world you live in.

          • Spencer James Smith

            again, “evidence”. the majority right? majority equals evidence?

          • Dorit Reiss

            It’ not a vote. But when different teams of scientists looking independently find the same results, the results reinforce each others. Dismissing them all as wrong becomes harder.

          • Spencer James Smith

            then i believe that whatever is influencing the studies in america that show vaccine safety and effectiveness are the same factors that influence the same results in studies around the world. and thank you for being calm even when i am not, i respect it.

          • Spencer James Smith

            then they are wrong or producing bad studies. OR maybe a lot of them are not as independent as you are led to believe.

          • James M. Barber

            Basically what your telling us is that you don’t have any friends in science or medicine and you think peer review is controlled by the illuminati, or maybe its the rothschilds. Not sure which racist world agenda the conspiracy crowd is leaning toward these days.

          • Spencer James Smith

            and you know for a fact that there are tens of thousands of cases of measles in europe that would have been prevented by vaccines? because you are the one that personally examined each of the cases, and counted all the cases one by one, and diagnosed one by one, and the dates and all of it yourself, so you have evidence. or are you just repeating what side makes sense to you. seems like vaccines are effective, and i dont believe there is a conspiracy, therefore there is EVIDENCE the rate of autism has not changed. because that is the second hand information i have gotten from the sources that i believe.

          • Dorit Reiss

            If we had to get all our information first hand, each of us would know very very little. We need to rely on others – which is why we examine carefully the methodology of the study and look for it to be replicated by different groups.

            The studies that show the rate of autism has not changed are carefully controlled and done. You have pointed to no flaw in them.

          • Spencer James Smith

            yes true. i would just like people to realize that when they think that something is true no matter what just because they heard it from a “trusted source” or majority source doesnt mean they know that it is a fact. it means you agree with the source. you are at the mercy of the sources. as am i. i believe the side that makes the most sense to me. just as others will side with the source that they garner their opinion from.

          • Spencer James Smith

            autism rates have not changed across the decades? bull crap, wow. i love immunity too. it tends to get damaged by the vaccines people are getting.

          • James M. Barber

            Autism rates have changes as the diagnosis has caught up with the realities of the spectrum. You have no idea what your talking about, and your understanding of science is laughable. Naturalistic fallacy, correlation does not always imply causation. Please go back to school.

          • jmcgladr

            There is zero evidence that either autism or asthma are caused by vaccines. Asthma cases skyrocketing likely has a lot to do with dangerous levels of smog/pollutants in the atmosphere.

          • Bridget47

            There’s some interesting research that people who’ve been exposed to tapeworms have lower rates of asthma & allergies.

            If that’s so, the skyrocketing rates of asthma is probably more likely due to the fact that children don’t run barefoot in the fields anymore.

          • jmcgladr

            Eww tapeworms, who wants those? I think I’d rather have asthma.

          • Bridget47

            People die from asthma. Think of tapeworms as a new variation on the Paleo diet. ; )

          • jmcgladr

            Don’t people die from worm infestations as well?
            Just glad I don’t have either!

          • Spencer James Smith

            zero evidence according to what source? you cant simply say there is no evidence. because there is. but because you either havent heard of that evidence, or dont trust the source, or dont trust the evidence because it doesnt support your side you simply say “there is zero evidence”. what is evidence to one is not evidence to another. you say there is “zero evidence” because you A. havent seen studies or doctors opionions from the other side that support it or B. dont trust the source. just because its the majority opinion in the medical community that autism or asthma are not caused by vaccines does not make it evidence. there are studies done by the majority of which they say conclude that there is no causation. so you are saying that majority is evidence? i am not afraid to have the minority opinion. can you cite me the law that states “majority is correct?”

      • Mike7106

        Many people ask if vaccines are dangerous.
        “Several viruses including polio, chicken pox, and West Nile are capable of causing encephalitis.

        And, an allergic reaction to vaccinations [11], as
        per the National Institutes of Health, also can cause encephalitis with
        brain swelling. Encephalitis was included as one of the vaccine injuries
        to be compensated for under the 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury
        Act. [12]

        Vulnerabilities of the Infant Brain, Uniquely Susceptible to Lipid Peroxidation

        By way of explanation, the term “lipid peroxidation” refers to lipid
        degradation resulting from free radical generation from a series of
        pro-inflammatory chain reactions, which can be very damaging if the
        process is prolonged. “Free-radicals” in turn refer to atoms with
        unpaired electrons, resulting in heightened instability and reactivity.
        The end result of abnormally prolonged lipid peroxidation may be abnormal brain inflammation with secondary brain edema (swelling).

        Of all the organs of the body, the brain is the most susceptible to
        oxidative degradation, commonly referred to “lipid peroxidation.”
        Although an infant’s brain receives 15 percent of normal cardiac output,
        it utilizes nearly 25 percent of the body’s oxygenation. [13] As
        elevated oxygen levels in the environment bring increased risk of
        explosions or fire, comparable physiological risks exist in the brain.
        In addition to being a highly oxygenated organ, the human brain has
        heightened vulnerability to harmful peroxidation because the brain has
        by far the highest fat content of any organ of the body with membrane
        lipids constituting 60 percent of the solid matter. [14] In addition,
        both brain and retina contain a relatively high percentage of the
        omega-3 polyunsaturated fatty acid, docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) [10-20]
        and arachidonic acid (ARA) that serve as a primary building block of the
        membranes of these structures. DHA and ARA are high in energetics, but
        they are far more unstable and vulnerable to pro-inflammatory
        peroxidation (oxidative lipid degradation) than saturated fats. [13-22]

        In essence, the brain might be compared with highly inflammable dry
        grass or brush enclosed in an area with elevated oxygen levels, needing
        only a spark to set off a conflagration of inflammatory lipid
        peroxidation. In all likelihood, vaccine adjuvants provide this spark
        far more often than generally realized.” – See more at: http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2011/06/01/vaccines-and-brain-inflammation/#sthash.nkjSQkIi.dpuf

        • Dorit Reiss

          This is an excellent example of why the vaccination council – an anti-vaccine organization – is not a good source. The interesting, but unsupported theory of how the brain functions they provide does not fit the data. The data is that serious problems from vaccines are very, very rare. http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2014/06/26/peds.2014-1079.abstract

          • Spencer James Smith

            and you know that for a fact right? you KNOW for a FACT, that they are rare. or is that just what it says from the link you posted?

          • Dorit Reiss

            That’s what the data shows.

          • Spencer James Smith

            right, i am sorry i did not read your comment more carefully i apologize i jumped the gun. i guess what i do mean though, is yes that is what that data could show. but you are at the mercy of trusting the study done, the integrity of the experiment and conclusion of who is doing it and who is reporting it. the people behind the data have agendas, everyone does. im sure many scientists is to just be an honest hard worker and get the truth out. but remember geniuses can be wrong about things. and trusted sources can lie. the earth was proven flat. ive seen things changing all the time like einstein was wrong about this, ok this is true about black holes, no we found that that is not true etc. and yes that is theoretical physics, but still – the source that one is used to regarding trustworthy and credible speaks, and it is believed. but then what was spoken and believed by newton about the way gravity works was proved wrong by einstein.

          • Dorit Reiss

            The review above is relying on many studies from all around the world. One study can be wrong, two can. When the number goes up, it’s a lot less likely. Replication is how we correct for error.

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            That is no reason to assume that the studies are without merit as long as they support the effectiveness and relative safety of vaccines. Science progresses by repeating the investigations. Nothing in the anti-vax world is supported by data.

          • Spencer James Smith

            talking to anyone on this blog is a complete waste of my time i have realized.

          • Spencer James Smith

            ok i am now eating those words. there is NO REASON TO ASSUME THAT THE STUDIES ARE WITHOUT MERIT? ok i will be getting back to you.

          • Spencer James Smith

            http://sharylattkisson.com/what-the-news-isnt-saying-about-vaccine-autism-studies/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SharylAttkisson+%28Sharyl+Attkisson%29

            take a look at that link.

            take a look at this link.

            http://www.ageofautism.com/2015/04/thank-you-bill-maher-for-tipping-over-sacred-cow-of-vaccination.html

            these are quotes that i gleaned from this link from a ex pharma sales rep. he was in the business for 35 years and was involved in every department related to vaccines except for the production. here is the video – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8bt8eUB1CU&index=2&list=PLBLq-7QdXzwW4hiOHU29-_ohft5fMOv48

            here are the quotes –

            quotes by dr. john rengen virapen –

            (13:20) “we need the pharma industry because there are some good things out there…there are some things out there that is good. but most of it is rubbish”

            (15:15) “eli lilly and company fined 1.4 billion dollars for one product that i have written about in this book”

            (16:26) “the patients who received this drug (its called zyprexa) – the patients who received this drug also got diabetes. and who is the largest diabetes medication producer in the world? Eli lilly and company”

            (17:00) “now there were a couple of other companies that were fined heavily for other drugs in the pharma industry (and these are huge companies), but it never came out” you know why? because the press – the press works also with the pharma industry just like the government does”

            (17:26) “and i was surprised because the germans – they say “ya we write about all these things and what not”. but they didnt write about this one”

            (17:40) “the pharma companies use the media to implant this dirty work on you”

            (17:46) “you never get to know the truth until its too late”

            (18:59) “they taught us something called FAB. Features, advantages, and benefits. dont talk about side effects, thats taboo.”

            (19:20) “i also know that they hide dangerous side effects, because i was in charge of a clinical study for prozac…(19:33) the first week they started the trial, two of the patients tried to commit suicide. (19:57) the pharma industry by law is not obliged to give out information like that. Their friends in washington made sure of that”.

            (20:07) “did you know that george bushs father was on the board of directors for elli lilly and company?” (20:10) “one of the political advisors in the george bush administration, a guy called mitch daniels, he was a vice president of elli lilly”.

            (20:50) “elli lilly and company is one of the largest political contributors to the republican party”

            (21:04) “they have a $100 000 executive walking around washington saying “hi come to my bbq this weekend”. and that ladies and gentlemen is the highest form of corruption. its called lobbying”.

            (33:00) “you can do your research and you will find that i have worked in every single department except production”.

            quotes by dr. rima laibow

            (36:59) “i have treated as a physician a reigning monarch who explained that this was the plan that she was raised with; she was not a young woman…the plan is underway…there was a law enacted which was signed into law by the twice un-elected president of the united states – george bush that law is called the “new freedoms initiative”. The new freedoms initiative signed in 2004 says every child in the united states including unborn children, must be screened by mental illness. (38:01) John rengen – “this was a study done by the george bush’s institute for mental health in texas, which was built by eli lilly and company. i attended a meeting in 2007 in berlin. i was invited there by members of the green party. i was supposed to say something, i dont know what. started speaking, they cut me off. because there were a group of psychiatrists begging the government for money to perform exactly what rema just said.” (38:43) rima laibow – “and thats why im telling you, but theres more. step one – screen every child including the unborn by screening their mothers for mental illness. step two – treat on a mandatory basis every child who is found to have mental illness. which means every child. and step – 3 screen and treat on a mandatory basis every single person who has any contact with children because we have to protect the little dears. that means mothers, shop keepers, school teachers, grandparents, neighbors”.

          • Spencer James Smith

            view the top couple of links. please.

            read the quotes from the ex pharma whistle blower video please. and you can verify it all in the video. if you do not view all this information, please do not say anything. and if you still hold the same opinion. you need to gather some courage and stop living in denial.

            o ya and science stood behind asbestos, smoking, and DDT. and a lot of the reason is because of money or an insidious agenda. so dont ever tell me there is no reason to assume the studies are without merit. i dont even have to assume, i already know. saying there is know reason to doubt the merit of the studies after all the research i have done, and about rockefellers, the UN, gates foundation and the WHO, i would be a fool to give merit to those studies.

          • Spencer James Smith

            something they dont teach at med school is to stop jerking off to your own genius and the holy grail that is the healthcare system and what they teach. they dont teach you to really grow a pair of balls and look through the smoke and mirrors. why would they? it is against their best interests. if they want to keep a job.

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            You are a pathetic troll and a poor excuse for a human being. Yeah, jerking off and balls to you too, Einstein. You know about as much about biology, health, health care, science, and possibly grammar as my parrot, but you have nowhere near her charm.

          • Spencer James Smith

            ya sorry i didnt edit what i said to make it grammatically correct. i cared more about getting my point across. and yes i have been rude and upset. but sandy, did you look at the links? if not, you have just proved my point of how ignorant some people are, specifically skeptical raptor. einstein said this “Condemnation before investigation is the height of ignorance”. sounds like you have not read or looked into any of the information or links i provided. if that is true, then you are quite ignorant, as is skeptical raptor. when i started talking about the rockefellers all he did was laugh. if you are so confident in everything you said, how about you look over what i sent you an contest it? instead of just saying i am a troll and a poor excuse for a human being.

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            Quote from George Bernard Shaw:
            “Never wrestle with pigs. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.”
            http://www.goodreads.com/quotes/43033-never-wrestle-with-pigs-you-both-get-dirty-and-the

            He must have been thinking of trolls.

          • James M. Barber

            People who actually work to study things by spending the time and effort to get a proper education, can easily see nonsense from far away. You sound like the kind of person who thinks science is neat, and wishes he had tried harder in school. You think this is interesting or fun, and it fits your mask wearing conspiracy theorist side. Really you are suffering from dunning kruger badly and you should probably attempt to actually learn some science so that you don’t site obvious nonsense anymore.

        • Until you provide scientific evidence equivalent or superior to the vast mountain of evidence that clearly and unequivocally rejects the hypothesis that any vaccine has anything to do with anything on the autism spectrum disorder, please bring it. But taking a 100 year old medical manual or quoting a legal document that has nothing to do with science means to me you have nothing to offer to this conversation but misinformation and ignorance. Good day sir.

          • Mike7106

            The vax machine is a lying machine in league with the MSM. The latest
            blatant lie that has been repeated in commercials, pushing a shingles
            vaccine, by spokesperson Terry Bradshaw and others is that 1 out of 3
            people will get shingles in their lifetime.

          • jmcgladr

            It seems highly likely that 1in 3 (older) people will get shingles in their lifetime, considering that nearly all of us had chicken pox as kids and shingles is merely a flare up of that virus lying dormant in our system. My Dad had shingles, very painful and caused permanent nerve damage and facial scars. I would get the vaccine, and my kids got the chicken pox vaccine, so hopefully will never get a full on case of chicken pox ( which is miserable in itself).

          • Sandy Perlmutter

            My generation (older than 60) are starting to get shingles if we have not had the vaccine. Some of us, having had organ transplants, are not able to have the vaccine. Shingles is horrible. You younger people are lucky to have the chickenpox vaccine. We just had chickenpox, and now, shingles. Mike7106 is an idiot. I ran out and had the vaccine.

          • Spencer James Smith

            by superior do you mean more than a majority? cuz that probably isnt going to happen. and that doesnt make the majority right, that just means the majority are either in a state of false sense of security not believing that these things could possibly happen, or are afraid of losing their job. i am sure the MAJORITY of people in germany didnt believe in conspiracy either until one day they woke up under the reign of a tyrant in hell. what do you think of flouride in the water? and skeptical raptor you have a choice. you can believe one source of information or the other. so the majority of studies, the CDC, the government. or the minority. but like i said above to someone else. you arent doing any of the actual experiments. and there is evidence for a conspiracy and with studies that show adverse effects that come from the vaccines. it just depends on what you believe. i believe my version, you believe yours. but to say that my side or the other side is not equal or not superior to a majority opinion just is another way of you saying you dont believe that version, you believe the other version.

      • For someone who portrays himself as a professional, you seem to have no problem resorting to childish insults. Does attacking people give you a hard on?

        • DJEB

          Doesn’t chastising someone by referencing erections strike you as rather, well, childish?

          • In question form and as a response to repeated immature behavior by the author of the site? Not really. It seems quite clear that this author gets off on asserting his supposed mental superiority.

          • Chi

            As I’m sure I’ve mentioned before, his blog, his rules. If you don’t like the way he refutes people who are obviously trolling then there’s the door. Also, you wouldn’t mention his mental superiority if you weren’t threatened by it.

            So go now and scurry back into the dark hole from whence thou came.

          • Mental superiority. Now that’s a good one. You’re right that he sets the rules. And if pointing out that being a dick to your readers is against his rules, well, that just goes to show that he can’t argue his way out of a paper bag.

          • Chi

            Clearly you lack reading comprehension skills as well as manners.

            I said that because it is his blog it is perfectly within his rights to be a dick to people who come here for the sole purpose of trolling and debating bad science. He shouldn’t have to put up with the likes of you who clearly have nothing to do but attack him because he has written an article that challenges your staunchly held but baseless beliefs. Like I said, scurry along. What does and does not give him a hard on is none of your concern and since this is HIS blog he is allowed to be as childish as he wishes when dealing with trolls because (and I’m sorry this is childish but…) ‘they started it’.

          • While not on this article, I have put forward valid risks associated with vaccines. This has nothing to do with baseless beliefs. This has to do with having actually done research. The main issues with vaccines, which are not being addressed are potential for the creation of silent carriers due to incomplete vaccination, and alteration of risk aversion due to a false sense of security.

            You want more than insults? Okay. Here you go. Did you know that two different studies have suggested that Pertussis vaccines result individuals without the usual symptoms? These people go undiagnosed, do not think that they are sick, and can spread the disease to others. That’s a huge issue.

            So what’s your response?

          • Chi

            Citations needed.

            Can I see those supposed studies that are suggesting asymptomatic carriers? Might I point out that a lot of unvaccinated children are also asymptomatic for a lot of diseases before they realize they are sick?

            Also by incomplete vaccination do you mean they didn’t receive the recommended vaccinations on schedule or only one or two thereof or do you mean those individuals who are vaccinated but for whatever reason don’t develop immunity?

            Two very different scenarios there as I’m sure you can see.

      • Spencer James Smith

        thank you, all hail the skeptical raptor.

      • Spencer James Smith

        this site does tolerate ignorance and stupidity. it tolerates you (well some people do), dorit riess, lilady R.N or whatever her name is. at least dorit and lilady seem to have a more level head in some way. but skeptical raptor, this blog has upset me since the day i was unfortunate enough to lay eyes upon it. the level of your denial, and ignorance is actually childish. anytime i make reference to a conspiracy theory it seems to tickle peoples funny bones on here. it seems like the more factual it is the harder they laugh. when i talked about the rockefeller documents you said that i amuse you because rockefeller is not a scientist. wow he doesnt have to be. he is made of money, he OWNS scientists, and the FDA. and the UN. he says from his own mouth and his own book that he is part of a conspiracy to create one world government and is against american interests. i can give you the link again. his corporation is not audited. for someone that rich and powerful, how could you not take that statement seriously? you are one of the most annoying people on the planet. he bought the land for the UN building to be built on. he made sure that when the FDA was founded that most of the board members on it worked for him. there are numerous US presidents that speak about the existence of the iluminati, and that the federal reserve controls america. but why dont you just laugh it off, and give it some of your “skeptical” bull crap. robert f kennedy is someone i listen to carefully. his father was killed for standing up against the federal reserve and “secret societies” which he quotes in his own speech. isnt this amusing?

        • James M. Barber

          Would you honestly talk to an adult in real life about this. Would you bring it up in it interview. This isn’t some bullshit political topic, it is as serious as this gets, and it has no room for nonsense conspiracy theories that are regurgitated by people who couldn’t pass high school chemistry but want to pretend they understand how the immune system works. Bullshit. You want to have an opinion that matters, go finish a proper education, and then see if maybe you didn’t quite understand how peer review works.

    • Dorit Reiss

      If you actually look at the version of the Merck Manual aimed at professionals, they address which vaccines may cause autism. It says: “The most common causes used to be measles, rubella, chickenpox, and mumps (all now uncommon because childhood vaccination is widespread); smallpox vaccine; and live-virus vaccines (eg, the older rabies vaccines prepared from sheep or goat brain).” http://www.merckmanuals.com/professional/neurologic_disorders/brain_infections/encephalitis.html

      In other words, two vaccines no longer in use were associated with encephalitis. In contrast, by preventing other viral infections, the vaccines prevent encephalitis. This actually does not support your claim that vaccines currently in use cause autism. Quite the opposite.

      • Gregg Braddoch

        “In other words, two vaccines no longer in use were associated with encephalitis.”

        Which begs the question: “Why should we trust companies that have a history of saying their vaccines are safe when there are documented instances where they were not?”

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  • How about vaccine contamination? Should that be of any concern? That is not listed on the vaccine insert, nor anywhere else? In fact it appears that such as the cancer causing SV40 virus will now be with us on this planet forever.

    Simian virus 40 in humans

    Fernanda Martini1, Alfredo Corallini2, Veronica Balatti1, Silvia Sabbioni2, Cecilia Pancaldi1 and Mauro Tognon1*

    Corresponding author: Mauro Tognon

    Author Affiliations

    1 Department of Morphology and Embryology, Section of Cell Biology and Molecular Genetics, School of Medicine, and Center of Biotechnology, University of Ferrara, Via Fossato di Mortara, 64/B. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    2 Department of Experimental and Diagnostic Medicine, Section of Microbiology, University of Ferrara, Via Luigi Borsari, 46. 44100 Ferrara, Italy

    Excerpts: These results suggest that (peripheral blood mononuclear cells) PBMCs, could be a reservoir and vehicle of SV40 spreading in the tissues of the host and among the individuals. (iii) SV40 sequences were found in urine and stoole samples, from children and adults [84,89,90], indicating that the haematic, sexual and orofecal routes of transmission are likely to be responsible for SV40 horizontal infection in humans.

    http://www.infectagentscancer.com/content/2/1/13

    Advances in Virus Research, Volume 50

    Pages 83 and 84, read. (Also see the study titled, Simian virus 40 in humans, below on this page)

    Excerpted:

    Moreover, blood and sperm fluid may represent important means for spreading of SV40 in humans.

    Indeed in these investigations, (Martini etal;, 1995,1996) 61% of the neoplastic patients positive for SV 40 sequences were of an age excluding exposure to SV 40-contaminated polio vaccines, suggesting contagious transmission of SV 40 by horizontal infection.

    http://books.google.com/books?id=PfO7D8ZoSMkC&pg=PA84&lpg=PA84&dq=sv40+is+contagious&source=bl&ots=AlaWsAkp95&sig=RnycQFX2ucD-3zybHQ07FAIeJYk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=kZLfT5_mA4qc2QXKz6jtCA&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sv40%20is%20contagious&f=false

    Polio Vaccine, Simian Monkey Virus and cancer links
    http://www.junkscience.co.uk/2013/08/junk-science-number-61-polio-vaccine-simian-monkey-virus-and-cancer-links/

    Gardasil Vaccine Found to be Contaminated
    http://sanevax.org/gardasil-vaccine-found-to-be-contaminated/

    SANE Vax to FDA: Recombinant HPV DNA found in multiple samples of Gardasil
    http://sanevax.org/sane-vax-to-fda-recombinant-hpv-dna-found-in-multiple-samples-of-gardasil/

    Gardasil Vaccine rDNA Introduced at Coroner’s Inquest
    http://vactruth.com/2012/08/09/gardasil-rdna-coroners-inquest/

    Bombshell Interview Reveals DNA Fragments Discovered 6 Months After Vaccination, (Gardasil) http://vactruth.com/2012/08/16/rdna-fragments-after-vaccination/

    The persistence of HPV DNA fragments and adverse effects in HPV shot recipients
    http://www.examiner.com/article/the-persistence-of-hpv-dna-fragments-and-adverse-effects-hpv-shot-recipients

    Truth About Gardasil, (personal accounts of the harm done)
    http://truthaboutgardasil.org/

    HPV vaccine linked to deaths
    http://www.junkscience.co.uk/tag/dr-chris-shaw/

    Death after Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincidental?

    Conclusions: Our study suggests that HPV vaccines containing HPV-16L1 antigens pose an inherent risk for triggering potentially fatal autoimmune vasculopathies.

    http://www.rescuepost.com/files/ltshaw-death-after-quadrivalent-hpv-vaccination-pharma-reg-affairs-2012.pdf

    Published on Dec 5, 2012
    Dr. Deisher testifies at the MN House about vaccine safety. She presents research demonstrating a link between the rise in the rates of autism and the use of aborted fetal cells in the production of vaccines. Dr. Deisher is the president and founder of SoundChoice, a non-profit that works to provide safe vaccination alternatives.

    Dr. Deisher testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism (2 of 4).

    Dr. Deisher testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism (3 of 4).

    Dr. Deisher testifies on the connection between vaccines and rising rates of autism (4 of 4).

    Spontaneous Integration of Human DNA Fragments Into Host Genomes

    Results:

    Spontaneous cellular and nuclear DNA uptake was evident in HFF1 and U937. Spontaneous cellular uptake was seen in NCCIT. DNA uptake in BE (2)-C, M059J, and M059K was not measurable because of high auto fluorescence of the cells. No Cy3 signal was observed in HL-60. The amount of labeled Cy3 human Cot1 DNA incorporation in U937 genomic DNA was 0.0111 +/- 0.0034pg (n=12) per cell in 24 hours, which was approximately 0.167% of total U937 genomic DNA.

    Conclusions:

    This study demonstrates that primitive short DNA fragments (50-300 bp) are spontaneously taken up by HFF-1, U937 and NCCIT cells and inserted into the genome of the monocytic leukemia cell line U937. Hence, vaccines containing residual HERVK and human fetal DNA fragments may contribute to the genomic instability observed in ASD.

    http://soundchoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DNA_Contaminants_in_Vaccines_Can_Integrate_Into_Childrens_Genes.pdf

    Autism

    The dangers of using aborted fetal cell lines for vaccine manufacture have been debated by the FDA for over 50 years, and yet they have not done sufficient safety studies. The active component of a vaccine is a virus. Viruses are too large to manufacture in test tubes. Therefore, vaccine manufacturers exploit the natural method of producing virus– they inoculate cells and the cells produce the virus for them. Each vial of vaccine contains contaminants from the cells used to make the virus. When we use animal cells to make viruses, the residual material is not human and so we mount an immune response to it and eliminate it. However, in the case of vaccines produced using aborted human fetal cell lines, we have the dangers of triggering an autoimmune response and insertion of the contaminating DNA to disrupt the child’s own genes.

    In the US, autism has spiked up in 3 distinct years, called changepoints. The first changepoint occurred in 1981, the second in 19881, and the third in 1996. These spikes coincide with the introduction of vaccines that are produced in aborted fetal cells. In 1979, aborted fetal cell produced MMR II was approved in the US. Compliance campaigns brought MMR II use up from as low as 49% for children born before 1987 to over 82% for children born in 1989 and later. A second dose of MMR II was also introduced to the vaccination schedule for children born in 1988 and later. The third changepoint corresponds to the approval of aborted fetal cell produced Varivax (chickenpox) in 1995 (See figure below).

    Read more: http://soundchoice.org/autism/

    For Scientific Data: Homologous Recombination Study
    http://www.cogforlife.org/SCPIIMFARHR.pdf

    Chickenpox Vaccine Use is Highly Statistically Related to Autism Disorder; (using by the way, human diploid tissue in manufacture)
    http://onemoresoul.com/news-commentary/chickenpox-vaccine-use-is-highly-statistically-related-to-autism-disorder.html

    Viral Nucleic Acids in Live-Attenuated Vaccines: Detection of Minority Variants and an Adventitious Virus
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2876658/

    Vaccine Contamination: Pig Virus DNA Found in Rotarix
    http://www.nvic.org/nvic-vaccine-news/april-2010/vaccine-contamination-pig-virus-dna-found-in-rota.aspx

    Autism Epidemic, Is Foreign DNA in MMR II Vaccine Responsible? CBCD Suggests CDC Study Microcompetition Theory
    The Center for the Biology of Chronic Disease (CBCD) believes that the cause of the epidemic is the foreign DNA in the MMR II vaccine.
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/4/prweb9359508.htm

    Toxic Vaccines? CBCD Sends Letter to FDA & CDC on Foreign DNA Fragments in Gardasil and MMR
    The CBCD sent a letter this past week to the offices of the FDA Commissioner, Dr. Margaret Hamburg,and to the offices of the CDC’s director, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden.
    http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/9/prweb9924299.htm

    Vaccines Contaminated with Mycoplasma’s – by Garth Nicolson

    Garth Nicolson http://www.immed.org has written and published hundreds of peer reviewed medical journal articles. He discusses how vaccines are not tested for mycoplasma contamination’s.

    Microcompetition with foreign DNA and the Origin of Chronic Disease. [Paperback]

    A selection from: Microcompetition with Foreign DNA and the Origin of Chronic Disease
    by Hanan Polansky, August 2004
    http://www.cbcd.net/Hanan%20Polansky%20on%20Theory.pdf
    http://www.cbcd.net/index.php

    Junk Science? Number 71: Big Pharma bias and inaccurate conclusions in vaccine research

    The conclusions drawn in over 80 per cent of flu vaccine global research studies did not hold up to objective scrutiny, according to a report in the BMJ, March 2014. Huge inaccuracy levels like these rightly fuel serious skeptic concerns that flu vaccine benefits are often hyped.

    The BMJ study, which looked at some 274 comparative studies on flu vaccination, found that only a mere 18 percent of the studies were deemed to actually prove what the articles claimed to be their findings!

    Read more:
    http://www.junkscience.co.uk/category/health-2/vaccines/

    • Youtube videos are hardly reliable sources for anything but someone babbling themselves without any reliable sources. It’s like a self-fulfilling source about itself.

      The BMJ story, written a shill for the anti-vaxxers, decided arbitrarily to void any study that had Big Pharma support without any substantial evidence that the quality of a study with or without support had any difference in quality. That’s cherry picking of cherry picking, and is laughable.

      I’ve already dismissed the bogus claims about SV40.

      Really do you have anything original? Cause, you are known spammer on Disqus.

      • You haven’t actually dismissed anything, other than in your own mind. Can you actually address that vaccine contamination information, directly? No you can not? Where are the counter studies showing the confirmation of no such contamination? Where are your studies showing no link to autism, in regard to that contamination issue. The CDC has not even begun to look at any such thing, other than to for the most part deny the existence of any such contamination; and when they are forced to realize its existence by confirmation made by a private lab; they simply deny there is any evidence and nor any scientific proof ever existing, as to and regarding the potential harm to human health.

        Those studies do not exist which you need to refute this information. Where are your Big Pharma studies? Where is the confirmation of the quality of their studies? You can not get any closer to cherry picking than only accepting the so called studies of big pharma and their cohorts? I am telling you right here and now, I want you to produce the comparable counter studies and direct data. Who is disregarding and limiting the data here, you or me? The table is always open. And that was the best you could do. All you ever have is falsely discrediting claims and excuses, for why you have failed and continue to fail to address the actual information.

        And actually it appears that the said analysis of the BMJ study, was quite accurate. http://www.bmj.com/content/338/bmj.b354

      • Human

        You tube videos are hardly reliable sources for anything but someone babbling themsleves without any reliable sources. Much like blogs, this one in particular. It’s like a self-fulfilling source about itself.

      • Spencer James Smith

        another weak point. youtube videos are hardly a reliable source for anything. guess what, i am sure you can find a youtube video that shows some simple math being done. but i shouldnt believe it because it is on youtube. again, just a way to try and make you right. guess what else is on youtube? videos that support your view and cite the studies you like. so saying “youtube videos are hardly reliable sources for anything” is just not true. but yes a lot of videos are people babbling without citing sources very well.

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    • This Mama Isn’t Scared of the Shmeasle Measles

      The Schmeasle Facts

      So far, in 2014 there have been 288 cases of measles, no cases of encephalitis, and no death. In 2013 there were 189 cases of measles, no encephalitis and no death. In 2012 there were 54 cases of measles, no encephalitis, and no death. In 2011, there were 22 cases of measles, and you guessed it…no encephalitis, and no death. I could go on, but you get the point. By and large, measles is unpleasant, not deadly.

      In comparison, the same cannot be said for the MMR vaccine. As of March 1, 2012 there were 842 serious injuries following the MMR vaccine and 56 deaths. Since 1990 there have been more than 6,058 serious adverse events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS). What’s even more sad is that only 1-10% of cases are actually reported on this database. Oh now I remember, statistics are only important as it relates to measles cases…not MMR adverse reactions. And of course, the global MMR death statistics aren’t important either.

      But measles can cause blindness…so can the MMR vaccine.

      But measles can cause encephalitis…so can the MMR vaccine

      But measles can cause pneumonia…so can the MMR vaccine.

      But if I don’t get vaccinated, I could get measles…If you do get vaccinated you can get measles, both from the vaccine, and later in life when immunity has disappeared. The CDC says that 5-10 percent of people vaccinated with MMR will develop a fever and rash. This means there are 650,000-1,300,000 cases of vaccine-induced measles in the U.S each year based off of the 13-14 million doses given to one-year-olds.

      Read more:
      http://www.livingwhole.org/this-mama-isnt-scared-of-the-shmeasle-measles/

      Measles Shmeasles…(a great common sense read by a mother)
      http://gianelloni.wordpress.com/2013/08/27/measles-shmeasles/#comment-1722

      VRM: Measles Report, (More outbreaks of measles in largely the vaccinated, not the un-vaccinated; and it is quite well referenced)
      http://vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=13481

      Data Reveals Measles Outbreaks Have Nothing to Do With Non-Vaccination Trends
      http://politicalblindspot.com/data-reveals-measles-outbreaks-have-nothing-to-do-with-non-vaccination-trends/

      Acellular pertussis vaccines protect against disease but fail to prevent infection and transmission in a nonhuman primate model
      http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2013/11/20/1314688110.abstract

      Acellular Pertussis Vaccine May Not Prevent Transmission
      http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/815247

      Disease outbreaks are concentrated in highest-vaccinated population – Council on Foreign Relations
      http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/disease-outbreaks-are-concentrated-in-highest-vaccinated-population-council-on-foreign-relations/#.U0JTcvldXbZ

      Whooping cough vaccine may not halt spread of illness – NBC News.com
      http://www.nbcnews.com/health/whooping-cough-vaccine-may-not-halt-spread-illness-2D11655363

      NY Measles Outbreak Blamed on Unvaccinated, Despite 90% of Infected Having Been Vaccinated
      http://thefreethoughtproject.com/90-infected-ny-measles-outbreak-vaccinated-scaremongering-then/

      91% Fully Vaccinated Involved in Pertussis Outbreak

      Video on the 2010 Outbreak in California. Notice how the media blame the Unvaccinated while 91% of the cases were Fully Vaccinated.

      http://experimentalvaccines.org/2013/10/09/91-fully-vaccinated-involved-in-pertussis-outbreak/

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      • James M. Barber

        What a complete asshole. Links to conspiracy theory websites don’t constitute proof. Its very obvious that you don’t have any biochemical training, and that most of your sources are just frightened people trying to make a case for some conspiracy or another.

        • Lowell Hubbs is this blog’s personal troll. He has even put out a YouTube video about me and another contributor here. He’s fun to watch in action.

        • Spencer James Smith

          tell my why links to conspiracy theory websites dont constitute proof?

          • Thomas

            All conspiracy theory websites or just the ones you like? Are websites devoted to alien abductions credible? What about the 911 Architects and Engineers for Truth? Conspiracy theory websites have an agenda and have been shows to be unreliable sources. They also make claims with no peer reviewed studies to back them up and the credentials of the people who compile them are fuzzy at best.

          • Spencer James Smith

            Talking to you is a waste of time

          • It’s a waste of time because someone demands actual unbiased, peer-reviewed evidence for your wild, nonsense claims. What a child you be.

        • Spencer James Smith

          except that the conspiracy websites get their articles from anti vax scientists.

          • James M. Barber

            Junk science, cherry picked results, selling alternative suppliments and or their book on a site hosting its own journal article. Yes, people do some really crappy things to make a buck off of idiots who are new to the internet.

        • Mike7106

          Listen to the brainless nitwit. You do realize your state probably has a law against posting within 9 1/2 weeks of your flu shot.

    • These are great answers. Were they answered in a future post?

      • I missed this comment from Dorit. 🙁

        Now I have to figure out the answers to her questions. Thanks for posting this Melody

      • Done. 🙂

    • 1. The reason why new information isn’t added is because it requires a whole new review process internally and then with the FDA. Revisions to the Package Insert requires medical review, R&D review, legal review, regulatory review, and executive review even before it’s sent to the FDA. The FDA, of course, approved the drug with the research added in the original application. No one wants to make these changes unless there are material data found in post-marketing clinical trials. Then it’s against the law to not make the changes. So there are a number of barriers to even think about making a change.

      2. New inserts probably take a year to update internally. Depending on what is being requested, it can take up to a year for the FDA to approve it. However, if a drug company uncovers a serious issue, say that a particular vaccine is dangerous with someone with red hair and freckles, then a black box warning is required, and the FDA will approve the change within days, even hours.

      3. If I’m reading it right the risk is estimated statistically based on observations during the clinical trial. However, 1 in a million, from a statistical point of view, approaches “this is random.” There is simply no way to detect a 1 in a million effect with 3000 or so patients. I don’t think there’s a way to detect a 1 in a million effect with 1 or 10 million patients. I think, if my statistics are right, you need 100 million patients to see a statistically significant 1 in a million risk. So, if I recall correctly, when a PI includes “1 in a million” it almost means that “we’ve seen it, we’re not sure it’s related to MMR, but if it were, the risk is so small as to be nearly immeasurable.”

      Again, that’s why it’s incredibly amateurish to take package insert data to heart as some sort of “truth.” In fact, much of the language is boilerplate, there’s a lot of “covering your ass” aspects to it for both Big Pharma and the FDA, and it doesn’t represent peer-reviewed science. It represents regulations that require certain information to be added.

      • Spencer James Smith

        those arent the actual numbers

    • pwesley

      Dorit … ~sigh~ …there are no clinical trials beyond the initial approval of vaccines. What on earth would be their motivation to do that? It’s already approved, they’ve got cash flow, and they’re already exempt from any litigation whatsoever.

      Why would the pharmaceutical do any follow-up studies that might interrupt their revenue stream, or put doubt into people’s minds? The answer is, they wouldn’t. They don’t. No, of course the package inserts aren’t updated.

      Further, the FDA approves some drugs before even the initial trials are complete (see Gardasil & Sanofi cases, among others).

      And, if the FDA discovers the initial trials were fraudulent, they still will not pull the drug (see Cetero Research case, and the NIH database).

      And in that last case (Sanofi), the FDA promised in advance to keep the drug on the market no matter what, even if it later proves to be non-efficacious &/or deadly (see NY Times June 10 2015).

      Spend some time on the NIH & WHO web sites, and you’ll learn a lot.
      * First, you’ll see they censor a lot.
      * Second, you’ll see that 67% of the large studies & 99% of the small clinical trials never actually get published (they get buried by their Big Pharma sponsors, invariably because the results would scare us). Very anti-science, very unethical.
      * You’ll discover the costs for clinical trials and FDA approval are outrageous (minimum $100 million), and Big Pharma does not even begin to attempt approval unless they have assurances of approval in advance from the FDA.
      * You’ll find that there are very few double-blind studies, and that the FDA doesn’t require them any more.
      * You’ll find that very few of the clinical trials (1/3 or less) can be replicated, which is the hallmark of a good study (can the conclusion be replicated by somebody else).
      * And you’ll find that only about 50% of Big Pharma studies are truly peer reviewed and use solid methodology.The rest are pretty much garbage (direct quote from Richard Horton MD, chief editor of The Lancet).

    • Spencer James Smith

      no they arent. because too many times the doctors and nurses will say it has nothing to do with the vaccine. even if it happened right after the vaccine. so no, there is no way 98% of the serious reactions are reported.

      • James M. Barber

        too many times… do you have any evidence or is it a conspiracy?