Hey antivaccine lunatics, here’s simple math about measles vaccination

MeaslesOneInTenThis easy-to-read, easy-to-understand explanation in response to the antivaccination trope of “if your child is vaccinated, why are you worried about my unvaccinated kid.” It was published on the Facebook pro-vaccination page, Embarrassed Cousins of Proud Parents of Unvaccinated Children.

And once again, this is simple, third grade math. Let’s see if the typical antivaccination cult member can understand this!

The AV nuts are always asking, “If vaccines work so well, why are you concerned about my unvaccinated kid? Aren’t yours protected?” For this discussion, let’s leave out the usual list of people who cannot be vaccinated, the list of people the AV’ers will callously consider not their problem. Let’s not get into the idea that maybe it’s OK for me to worry about their kids too, kids who through no fault of their own are the poker chips these parents are waging while they confidently try to call a bluff on virtually every expert on the planet. Let me, for a moment, be as thoughtless and selfish as they are, and answer the question being asked. Is their unvaccinated child putting my child at risk, if the vaccines I believe in work so damn well?

No. Probably not. But they are putting somebody’s vaccinated child at risk.

Let’s do some real simple math here. The variables for infection rates and vaccine effectiveness vary by disease, and the equations get pretty complicated as they interact with each other, so I’m going to round off and keep it as simple as possible. Statistically, if you expose 100 unvaccinated people to measles, 95 of them will catch it. If you expose 100 people who have had one dose of the vaccine (MMR or MMRV), 5 of those partially vaccinated people will still catch measles. If you expose 100 people who have had two doses of the vaccine, 1 of those fully vaccinated people will still catch measles. Those are the numbers, roughly. Different diseases are different. Measles is on the extreme end of both factors: It is extremely contagious, but the vaccine also works extremely well.

Let’s say a child goes on a trip to some exotic place where measles is common due to low vaccination, like India or Southern California. If that child comes in contact with measles, an unvaccinated child will almost certainly (95% chance) catch the disease, where a vaccinated child will almost certainly not (1% chance) catch the disease. The vaccinated child comes back from his vacation with a statue of Vishnu or some Mickey Mouse ears, while the unvaccinated child comes back as Patient Zero.

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Let’s assume the kid has become contagious before returning from his trip. He gets on a Boeing 737 with 200 other people. Even if every single person on that flight is vaccinated, 2 of them will contract measles. Anyone who is unvaccinated will almost certainly (95% chance) catch it. You go through the airport, get your luggage, and possibly infect a few more on the way.

Monday comes around, and it’s time to go back to school. Let’s go with the national average, and say 90% of the students are vaccinated, and that child comes in contact with 500 students. Of the 50 students that are unvaccinated, 42 of them will catch measles. Out of the 450 students that are fully vaccinated, 4 of them will still catch measles.

You can adjust these numbers how you see fit: for how infectious the disease is, how effective the vaccine is, or how many people the child will come in contact with, but you will never come to an equation that justifies this kind of reckless endangerment.

I think we can stop there, and not get into shopping malls, taking a subway, visiting our newborn cousin in the hospital, etc. And we still have that list of people who cannot be vaccinated that I generously ignored for this exercise, but sure as hell would not ignore when one of them died in the real world. Statistically speaking, my kids are a hundred times more likely to be one of the 446 vaccinated children at that school who were protected than the unlucky 4 the vaccine did not work for. So yeah, I guess you got me there. I’m not worried your unvaccinated child is going to infect mine. But that doesn’t mean I can’t be pissed on behalf of the 46 students your bluff call did infect. I can be concerned about the people on the plane you infected who went off and started their own school outbreaks. And I can do everything possible to hold you accountable for the damage you’ve caused for absolutely no good reason. When you try to call a bluff like that and are wrong, you are expected to pay up.

 

The Original Skeptical Raptor
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  • eggman2

    Yeah, someone is having a baby. Let’s all have a circus around it.

    Everything about junk medicine is a circus of fun, just like junk food. People having fun watching the sensationalism of people dying in Liberia, supposedly from Ebola, in the news. Never mind that people in Hollywood, Wall Street, Corsl Gables, …etc, never get an epidemic in their rich turf. No those rich people have good food to eat–not like the people in Liberia. Those rich people believe in natural medicine. Those rich people might even pay someone to take the vaccines for them.* In the meantime, the people in Liberia get free vaccinations, but they get sick.

    Wait a minute! This doesn’t sound right. Wasn’t vaccines supposed to keep you healthy ? And, wasn’t food supposed to be irrelevant to health according to the stupid vaccinators ?

    Ir can hear the stupid lackeys say : ” Aargh my world is turning upside down. Please junk medicine robber barons, make the rich people sick , too.
    So we can be comfortable with the stupid junk medicine robber barons’ s herd immunity theory “.

    There you go., junk medicine robber barons. May the bullshit continue.

    * Actually they pay someone te lie for them saying that they took the vaccines, but that sounds funnier.

    • James M. Barber

      This needs to be rewritten after a large amount of editing. Although I think the post can be summed up in one sentence. You are an anti vaccine nut job conspiracy theorist, and you think you have special knowledge despite being too stupid to construct a statement that expresses your view. What a crack pot.

    • James M. Barber

      ugg. I’m sorry I think you might either be leaning disabled, or actually a child that some negligent parent has let use the internet unsupervised. Please go back to watching peppa pig or whatever it is you crazy kids do these days.

  • eggman2

    WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE STUPID HERD IMMUNITY THEORY AND THE STUPID STATISTICS THEORY ?

    The thing that is wrong with these two stupid theories, or the problem with them, is that human beings are not like cows in a herd. So that by itself,makes these two, such stupid concepts.

    For example, man A exercises in the sunshine everyday, eats a good organic food diet of vegetables ( specially green ones , but also, red and orange ), fruits, nuts and raw eggs in smoothies. He follows a diet that mostly consists of raw foods that are nutritious. He doesn’t smoke and doesn’t drink alcohol. He avoids pollution, and has an air purifier in his house and car. He doesn’t take drugs–legal or illegal. And he also drinks purified water.

    Now, take man B, he is poor and disabled. He stays mostly inside his apartment, in the big city, watching TV or playing video games. If he goes out, the other building blocks the sunshine from him. He has a diet of mostly GMO crops that are full of pesticides or ” that come from plants that produce their own pesticide in their tissues” ( That , by itself, has been shown scientifically to be detrimental to health. ) . He fries all of his food in heavy grease, and sometimes the grease is days old ( That contributes to the high level of free radicals in his blood which brings down his resistance to all kinds of diseases. ) . He mostly eats carbohydrates and fat. He doesn’t know what vitamins are, or if he does, he gets the artificially inferior product ,from the pharmacy, that is full of artificial colors and other chemical additives. He goes to the doctor a lot, and gets prescriptions for dangerous drugs as well as free vaccines.

    Man A is typical of rich neighborhoods like Hollywood-California, Cherry Hill-New Jersey, or Coral Gables-Florida. Man B is typical of poor neighborhoods like Detroit-Michigan, Camden-New Jersey, and poor neighborhoods everywhere. And as well as poor third world countries like Liberia-Africa.

    If you look into where epidemics start, you will see that they start in those poor neighborhoods and poor third world countries, and not in the rich neighborhoods.

    That is so because the immune system of man A is working a hell of a lot better, if not perfectly, in comparison with the one of man B.

    The stupid theories that I mention here make a comparison with human beings, that are living totally different lives, with animals that are kept living under the same conditions. It doesn’t allow for individuality, which is a trait of human culture. But most importantly, those stupid theories do not take into account the effect that a way of life and nutrition have on health.

    Articles like this one are the reason that science appears very confusing to the ignorant man–mostly of the type of man B. There should be a better educational system, and a better scientific system, that would be willing to educate and help the man type B. And instead of giving him free junk medicine, they should provide him with the means to live a better life. The nation would progress a lot ,and the health costs would go down, if these things would be accomplished.

    My statistics professor used to say, ” Statistics are no good, if you don’t have all the data.” And we, the anti-vaccine crowd, have shown you that
    the stupid vaccinators don’t have all the data. The only data, that they present to you, is the data that will make money for the junk medicine robber barons. And , on the contrary, we anti-vaccine ones, give you the data that will benefit you.

    • notation

      You don’t know what “herd immunity” means.

      Of course, you don’t know much of anything except how to look like a complete nut.

      • eggman2

        It is a stupid concept that you cherish. Fall in love with real science and not your habitual crap. Go to responsibletechnology.com, vactruth.com, and vaccineresistancemovement.org.

        • notation

          You don’t know what “herd immunity” means. Of course, you don’t know shit from Shinola, either.

          • eggman2

            You are simply a stupid psychopath.

            • notation

              So you don’t know what it means. I was correct. You’re a dolt.

            • eggman2

              You are an asshole.

            • notation

              No. I’m not. But you most certainly are. You don’t know what you are talking about. You don’t know what “herd immunity” is.

            • eggman2

              You can’t be more stupid than you already are.

            • notation

              It’s impossible for ANYONE who’s breathing to be stupider than YOU are, you puling fuckwwit.

            • notation

              “You can’t be more stupid than you already are.”

              Hmmm. Funny, but that’s what I thought when I first came across your illiterate, idiotic, dimwitted commentary.

              And yet, you prove that you, egghead, can indeed become stupider. You surpass yourself in every post. You’re approaching the red line on the “stupidity meter.” Oh, wait. Too late.

            • eggman2

              I hope the whole herd goes up yours.

              Stupid piece of shit, I just told you that it is not a scientific concept, and it can never be because not two people live the same way nor eat the same food.

            • notation

              Fuck off, Poe.

            • eggman2

              I wish that herd went up your ass so you stop bugging me. Fucking witch, maybe that is what you need.

    • Andrew Lazarus

      You have a very high opinion of yourself, that your healthy lifestyle makes you ready to take on smallpox, polio, and measles mano a mano.

      Your grandparents knew better. They saw healthy people like you die like flies during epidemics.

      • eggman2

        I have a very high opinion of nature. You have to be extremely stupid not to.

        Animals in the wild need no vaccines. But they don’t live in cages ( buildings made of steel and glass), eating junk food like humans do. We need to learn from them instead of from a stupid human being that calls himself a scientist and works for a corrupt , if not psychopathic then equally stupid, businessman.

        If you look at the places where epidemics start, you will see that it is usually a place where people are most economically oppressed and have very bad diets because of , or are overburdened by pollution. That place could be, sometimes ,the United States, that is the number one country in the ” first day of birth ” infant mortality rate.

        • Andrew Lazarus

          Where population density is low, epidemics may die out faster. Although you may recall, the Native Americans, who didn’t live in cages, had no resistance to smallpox, and died by the millions.

          Smallpox and measles are also part of nature. You just don’t think their destructive abilities are as good as your Badass Immune System. If you visit some place that these diseases are still endemic, you are in for a surprise.

          • eggman2

            Don’t be stupid.

            All those epidemics ,that you say that American Indians suffered, occurred right after colonization began and not before. The reasons for that was the same ones that I pointed out for everyone: depriving people of their liberty and eating a bad diet.

            As soon as the Spanish decided to enslave the Indians in the Caribbean and Mexico, they put shackles on them and enclosed them in cages. Instead of the wholesome diet that the Indians used to have, the Spaniards made them eat mostly fat and white bread ( White bread exists since Roman times. The brown one was given to the gladiators. The Spaniards inherited that stupidity, and forgot about brown bread.) . That was the beginning of the downfall of the American Indian culture. Less health, less brain power, more illnesses…etc, and all because of captivity and diet.

            In the other part of North America ( Mexico and the Caribbean are also North America. ) the other Europeans , Anglo-Saxons ( There is not such a thing as Anglo-Saxons, but I have to write for the popular belief. ) and others , got busy stealing land and sometimes even imprisoning or putting in concentration camps whole American Indian populations. They destroyed their natural habitat that provided the food that they were used to, and ,under captivity , made them get used to their European junk food, too.

            There was a guy on the radio, just yesterday , saying that the Navajo ( not their true name, but a derogatory one given to them by the Spaniards ) got their carbohydrate eating habit while they suffered imprisonment from the US government.

            When American Indians were in their natural habitat doing their natural things, they didn’t suffer those illnesses in the same way that wild animals wouldn’t.

            If you took modern city dwellers, and allowed them to live under the same conditions that American Indians lived, they would be as healthy as they were.

            • Andrew Lazarus

              No, many Indians died just from contact with smallpox, before they were confined. Note how the Mandan, who at least had contact with whites, even sickened other tribes that they traded with, but whites didn’t!

              Look, you aren’t doing anything scientific. You’re living a prelapsarian fantasy that wouldn’t survive one day’s contact with smallpox.

              Incidentally, I don’t believe Navajo is a pejorative, although it isn’t how they called themselves. Have you confused them with the Papago (now called Tohono O’oodham)?

            • eggman2

              Don’t be stupid. You have just corroborated the fact that the infection happened after colonization , but you are trying to confuse more -stupid -than -you readers with your misleading bullshit.

              What killed the American Indian was learning the stupid ways of the European. That is what is killing people all over the world–including this country. Bullshit pseudoscience, like vaccine technology, GMO…and all that crap, is doing it to all.

            • notation

              You bozo. Indians died because they were infected with a disease. Are you so stupid that you think they suddenly started eating Cheerios and only got sick after that?

              “That is what is killing people all over the world–including this country”

              Oh? Then why are lifespans longer by decades than they were just 100 years ago? Why are people living longer with diseases that were once a death sentence? Why aren’t people dying of smallpox NOW?

              You have to be a poe. Nobody can be this stupid.

            • eggman2

              What an asshole with a head full of shit you are.

              The fucking pilgrims arrived at the new England shores and looked sickly and stupid ( like you ). The Amerindians ,who were healthy as hell, saw them dying, pitied them an gave them of their food. Those same Amerindians ,afterwards, started being deprived of their territory by the very same people that they helped, that is when they started having problems with their availability of food sources. Plus, at the same time, they were learning the stupid eating habits that made the pilgrims sick from the pilgrims themselves.

              About a century before, the Spaniards were in the same sorry shape as the pilgrims when they arrived in the Caribbean. Cristoforo Colombo, the first European anthropologist to arrive in America, in his letters to the king and queen Isabella of Castille, wrote that the Amerindians looked a hell of a lot better than the Europeans did. Specially the women, Cristoforo had been married in Portugal and Spain, but he said that the Amerindians looked musclebound and lean. A lot better than the Europeans. So he married an Amerindian woman in, I believe the country was Cuba.

              The Amerindians remained healthy, until the Spaniards decided to enslave them and give them their stupid fucking European food of white bread and fat. Then they started getting sick and the Spanish got stronger because of learning to eat the Amerindian foods. That gave the Spaniards, and their Italian allies, the energy to save the pope and Rome from being captured by the Ottoman Empire. They conquered not only most of America, but Germany , Holland, other parts of central Europe, and parts of Asia. That is what good food can do for you.

              There were only two real world powers in the 16th century : The Holly Roman Empire with Spain as its head, an The Ottoman Empire with Turkey as its head. None of that would have been possible for Spain and its Italian allies, if they wouldn’t have conquered the Amerindian foods.

              One idiot said that gold did it for Spain. Gold can not be eaten, you stupid. Gold was only needed to pay for the ships to transport the cargoes and weapons to defend it.

              If you want to corroborate the story, look at the Amerindians today: most of them are fat and sickly from learning the Europeans way. And they get free vaccines, but that ain’t doing any fucking good.

            • notation

              Do you often make up stories? You’re not very good at it. In fact you suck donkey balls. You are wrong. History shows that you are wrong.

            • eggman2

              Just go back to school, you stupid asshole. To the people that have some knowledge, your are showing how ignorant you are.

            • eggman2

              You are unbelievably stupid.

              Most of the foods that you are eating right now are American in origin. What is European? Butter, cheese, sausages, white bread,…, all the foods that lower your immunity, and make you fat and stupid ,are European.

              Corn, potatoes,turkeys,tomatoes, avocados, walnuts, pecans, peanuts, sweet potatoes, sunflower seeds, bell peppers, strawberries, chili peppers,the squash family,…,and others, are all American.

              Cristoforo Colombo accomplished his mission by finding new foods. And on top of that , the Europeans should thank for renewing their energies to build empires along with it.

              Hey, and when he saw that healthy looking Amerindian girl, half naked( or almost completely ) he compared her with his fat wives in Europe and said, ” I have got to get me a piece of that.” ( Or, he said in whichever way you would say in medieval [ Castillian ] Spanish.)

            • notation

              HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! OMG. The “HOLLY ROMAN EMPIRE”!!!

              You are too stupid to be for real .

            • eggman2

              Fucking stupid bitch, you are so ignorant that you don’t know about ” THE HOLLY ROMAN EMPIRE”.

              Where do your stupid junk medicine robber baron bosses get such stupid people as you ?

            • notation

              Nope. Sorry, but you’ll have to post links to actual citations that back up this “version” of “history,” if such dreck can be called that.

            • notation

              Got any cites, dude? How many pilgrims were there and how did such a small number of them “deprive the Amerindians of their land and way of life”?

              I think your revisionist history comes from pulledoutofeggman’sasshole.com

            • eggman2

              You bullshitting fucking bitch, I just cited the first European to set foot in America, Cristoforo Colombo. He wrote about what he saw, bitch. You were not there.

            • notation

              And YOU were? You fucking moron.

            • notation

              You didn’t “cite” a thing, you putz. You don’t know how. You can’t even post a link to anything, you clown.

            • eggman2

              You can count the pilgrims like you can count the hairs down there, you stupid bitch. Learn American history. Will you ?

            • eggman2

              Stupid psychopathic bitch, you must eat cheerios, and that is why you are so stupid. Stop telling lies. All those diseases were on the way out before mass vaccinations.

              Those diseases were on the way out because of better nutrition and hygiene.

            • notation

              You are so dumb you don’t even know when you’ve been made to look even more stupid.

            • eggman2

              Dumb, stupid , and everything else with the same connotation, are the words that can be used for people like you that believe that a dose of “putrefactive biohazardous material in soup of carcinogens “( VACCINES) is good for your health.

            • notation

              Indians became infected with smallpox long before they were part of any resettlement, you idiot.

              Jesus, did you even graduate from high school?

            • eggman2

              What an asshole you are. What settlement has to do with anything? They were deprived of their way of living, you stupid.

            • notation

              No, they weren’t, idiot. Cite your proof. You can’t, because you are WRONG.

            • eggman2

              Didn’t you have elementary American history? What, you mean you are not from this country? Are you a communist, too ?

            • notation

              Get fucked. Ask your dog to help you.

            • eggman2

              Is that what your dog does to you ? He is the only one that probably wants to do that.

            • eggman2

              You stupid witch ( You said you were a 60 year old, and I know that you are a psychopath. So they call those witches in Halloween. How about that: I am the warrior that fights stupidity and sees the elliptical shapes [UFO s] , with their messages, in the sky, and you are the witch. ).

              In any war, Vietnam, WWII,…, whatever, the people that are being attacked or invaded , suffer great stress, and are prone to diseases. The Amerindians ,with the colonists, were not an exception. How would you like it if people were going after your ass in your own home. And then they would not let you eat from your own refrigerator. The colonists were depriving the Amerindians of their way of living.

            • notation
            • eggman2

              What an asshole you are. Were you there ? The contact with the Europeans was bad for the Amerindians. As soon as they made that contact , they began to acquire bad habits that gave them illnesses and changed their way of life. That is why you have fat short diabetic Amerindians today.

        • notation

          But you said that shit was natural and then you said it was bad. How dumb are you, eggo?

          How long do you think animals live “in the wild,” you moron?

          You don’t even know how the infant mortality rate is calculated here in contrast to the way it’s calculated in any other country, do you?

          No, you don’t. Because you’re an uneducated, stupid twat.

          • eggman2

            What an asshole you are.

        • notation

          No, it isn’t the “number one country in the “first day of birth” infant mortality rate.”

          You are a clown.

          “Animals in the wild need no vaccines.”

          Guess you don’t think rabies is a big deal, do you? We vaccinate domesticated animals for diseases like brucellosis and rabies that are found among wild animals because such diseases pose a risk to us and to our livestock and pets.

          My word, are you suffering from a brain tumor?

          • eggman2

            You are really stupid. If wild animals would need vaccines, there wouldn’t be any around , because for millions of years there were no vaccines. If human beings would have needed vaccines, there would not be any human beings right now, because they had to live for millions of years without them.

            It is amazing to find people as stupid as you. You are the best example of my CIVILIZED STUPIDITY rule: the more man advances in civilization, the more stupid he becomes about the understanding of his own nature.

            • notation

              How fucking dumb ARE you? What happened to your brain? Are you going to claim that wild animals don’t die of viruses, you idiot? Are you so moronic that you think EVERY virus will kill EVERY member of a species? What kind of asshole doesn’t grasp the fact that people die of diseases like measles, polio, varicella, and pertussis? Of course they don’t ALL die, you fucking pinhead.

              What a god-damn waste of oxygen you are. We vaccinate because it saves lives.

              It’s not a debate, witless asshole.

            • eggman2

              You dumb stupid witch, you still didn’t understand, you idiot. If vaccines were necessary in animals, there wouldn’t be any animals around. You have to look at nature, and see why wild animals don’t need vaccines, you stupid bitch.

              The reason is because their environment provides them with everything that they need. Whereas a dog in captivity is subjected to a diet that is not the normal wild animal diet. Plus they live indoors, and all that crap. An animal living in such conditions, usually lives less than a year without intensive medical care and artificiality that doesn’t necessarily makes it stronger than a wild one.

              None of you, assholic vaccinators, are going to convince me , unless a fucking epidemic starts in Hollywood-California or Wall street instead of Liberia. You see the people in those rich places believe in natural medicine and are well fed, but the people in Liberia are ignorant ( and kept that way ) , malnourished, and get their free vaccines to debilitate their immune system from the US and European Union.

            • notation

              You are a moron. Did you READ the links? Or did you stumble over the big words. You are a putz.

              You can’t figure out how vaccines work. Not my problem you’re a brain-dead, uneducated moron.

            • eggman2

              Vaccines don’t work, you stupid asshole.

            • notation

              GFY with a hammer.

            • eggman2

              Get that hammer up yours.

            • eggman2

              Use that hammer up yours.

            • eggman2

              Get that hammer up your #!+”

            • notation
            • eggman2

              Of course they are. You prove it otherwise.

            • notation

              So I guess you don’t keep up with the news? Do you think Marin is some slum? That’s where there have been cases of pertussis, you shitwit. Do you think those children are malnourished? Ill-housed?

              What a witless fuck you are.

            • eggman2

              And you are so stupid, that you think that those children ,and their birthing mothers , live in a pristine environment eating the natural diet meant for humans.

            • notation

              GFY

            • eggman2

              No, you do it, idiot

            • notation
            • eggman2

              You and your fucking propaganda.

            • notation

              You can’t refute it, can you? Of course you can’t. It’s factual and all you have is nonsense.

            • eggman2

              Look who is calling the kettle black? You fucking nonsensical piece of shit.

            • notation

              GFY twice.

            • eggman2

              You do it.

            • notation

              Nothing about it that you can refute, huh? Can’t dispute the facts?

              You’re lame.

            • eggman2

              You got no facts, fucking idiot.

            • notation

              GFY with stake.

            • eggman2

              Get that stake up yours.

            • notation

              Your asinine spew is revealing. You truly don’t have any clue as to how vaccines work at all. Why do you THINK some animals developed immunity to diseases that killed many of them but not all of them?

              You really must be brain-damaged.

            • eggman2

              You are so stupid, that you don’t know how your own fucking body works. If you had children, you probably had a Caesarean. As stupid as it can get.

            • notation

              If you had any balls, you’d cite your proof concerning vaccines. You can’t, because you are simply wrong.

              What the fucking fuck does childbirth and Caesareans have to do with this issue, shitwit?

            • eggman2

              You are so stupid, that that was probably your favorite way of delivery.

            • notation

              GFY in the ear.

            • eggman2

              Your ear can probably take it all the way through because you have no brains.

            • notation

              I’d love to see you explain why people who get the measles become immune to it. How does that happen, genius? Explain how the body develops immunity to a virus. I can hardly wait. I’ll get the popcorn.

            • eggman2

              Now you are talking about a natural process completely unrelated to injecting ” biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens ” (VACCINES) on purpose. Vaccines are really stupid, like you.

            • notation

              Here, dumbass, maybe you can grasp this:http://www.immunizeforgood.com/vaccines/how-vaccines-work

            • eggman2

              Immunize for good by eating good food and avoiding ” pollution ” ( specially the one given to you in a vaccine ). Can you grasp that, bullshiter?

            • notation

              I wonder, do you think that Caesareans are never necessary? How do you come to such a conclusion? Are you an obstetrician? Ever helped deliver a baby?

            • eggman2

              Have you seen a gorilla or a chimpanzee getting a Caesaren in the wild.

              My dogs never needed Caesareans, and they live in the civilization.

              Just don’t be stupid ( any woman out there ) and stand up. You can’t deliver a baby lying down, in the same way you can not take a shit lying down.

              Have you ever seen a circus going around a chimpanzee or gorilla giving birth in the wild, like the doctors and nurses do for humans ? No,they leave her alone. That is the way it should be, but we have had stupid people monopolizing medicine for centuries until this day. And, those stupid people say that artificial chemicalized medicine is good for you but natural medicine is not.

              That is the reason behind my lemma: THE MORE CIVILIZED A HUMAN BECOMES, THE MORE STUPID HE/SHE BECOMES ABOUT HIS/HER NATURE.

            • notation

              Can you explain why people died of measles even when they were quite well-nourished and housed?

              I really have to wonder what your real life must be like. How does it feel to be shunned by everyone you know because you are so nuts?

            • eggman2

              What an asshole ! Were you there watching them eat ? I know that , if was there , I would be able to point out to you what they were eating that was wrong.

              The minute I see white bread or candy on the dinner table, that would be it.

              Well, I am so sorry. I have to apologize to you stupid vaccinators. It is that you don’t know that nutrition is everything when it comes to immunity. I told you to read everything you can get in nutrition. But then again , I don’t know if you can even read. And even if you can read, your stupid brain has a hard time assimilating or analyzing the facts. Well, I offer my services to you. You see; I am not that bad.

            • notation

              Guess you’ve never heard of rabies.

              Or maybe that’s what happened to your brain! http://www.humanesociety.org/animals/resources/facts/rabies.html

            • eggman2

              You should get rabies up yours.

            • notation

              Fuck off.

          • eggman2

            Yes it is ,you bullshitter.

            There is no wilderness anymore , asshole.

            Read what I already wrote.

            • notation

              Fuck off the fuck off, you stupid twat.

          • eggman2

            Don’t be stupid, if wild animals would have been suffering from all those diseases , and they would need vaccines for them in all those millions of years that they have been on earth, there would be no animals by now because vaccines are a recent stupid technology .i

        • notation

          As you can see from the links I posted, animals living in the wild have rather short lives.

          But I guess you think they are free from rabies, malnutrition, and infection from injuries, don’t you?

          You must get your understanding of “nature” from Disney movies like “Bambi.”

          • eggman2

            Your fucking propaganda links aren’t worth used toilet paper. You bullshitter, I already told you that there is no fucking nature anymore, you stupid asshole. In Yellowstone national park they had to introduce big bad Canadian timberwolves because the deer, with no natural enemies there, were eating away the whole vegetation. A protected, by law, park is the closest thing that we have to nature, that is the reason that the deer multiply like crazy and don’t die if they don’t have natural enemies. I already told you about the situation with rabbits in Australia; there, too, the rabbits don’t have any enemies, so they are multiplying like crazy. But the stupid scientists there say that they are going to try infecting the rabbits with a virus. Don’t be stupid. You think that there are no viruses in Yellowstone, or in Australia. No, you assholes, that doesn’t work. You have to get a fucking predator that is faster than the rabbits, you idiots.

            Don’t talk about fantasy, you bullshitter. You stupid fucking vaccinators live in a fucking fantasy world. What is that, that injecting ” putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens ” (VACCINES) is good for your health ? You crack me up. What bullshitters you are.

            • notation

              Fuck yourself sideways with a skillet. Twice.

            • eggman2

              That is what you need, not me.

            • I’m so stealing this.

  • eggman2

    A lot of people here are asking, ” Why are you answering after two months of not being on this site ? ” Well I just got kicked out of MOTHER JONES. I went over there because one spends a hell of a lot more time to get into this site than all others, and after I get in, they might erase my comment. But I called everyone at MOTHER JONES stupid and they didn’t like it.

    But Mother Jones does not understand that it is all their fault. I am like the minister that calls the whole congregation sinners. How could they come out of their sinfulness, if they don’t know that they are sinners ? In the same way, how could anyone at Mother Jones come out of their stupidity, if nobody lets them know ?

    Ungrateful people, I was doing them a favor. Like my grandmother used to say: ” Hell is full of ungrateful souls.” That is where those losers will end.

    And according to the subjects that I deal with, it might be hell on earth, what they might be dealing with in the future, for not delving on them. Foretold is forewarned.

    I will keep doing what I do. May fire and brimstone rain over the unfaithful. Amen.

    • notation

      You’re a fucking nut-bag.

      • eggman2

        GO DRINK YOUR HEALTHY COCKTAIL OF ” PUTREFACTIVE BIOHAZARDOUS MATERIAL IN A SOUP OF CARCINOGENS ” ( vaccines ). After all, you say is healthy.

    • What the actual fuck are you raving about, loon?

      • eggman2

        R. W. FUCKEDUPSTER , YOU ARE A NEW STUPID PERSON, FOR I CAN’T REMEMBER YOU.

        • Wow. A clever rejoinder, and a stinging rebuke all at once. I am devastated.

          I’m new, so you can’t remember me, and that makes me stupid. The irony is stupefying.

  • notation
  • notation

    Here’s some “news” for Bubbles Hubbs, the pea-brained nut-ball: http://www.immunizationinfo.org/parents/why-immunize

  • eggman2

    The stupid pro-vaccine people should realize- even in their own mentally retarded brain- that you always get what you pay for. The junk medicine robber barons pay for their own studies, buy their own ” scientists ” ( It would be an oxymoron to say ” bought out scientist ” , but that is the reality.), and buy their politicians.

    • notation

      So you have no studies to cite, no data to post. Nothing but your own addled brain farts?

      Thanks for proving yet again that you are a laugh.

      Oh, and you don’t know what an “oxymoron” is, idiot.

      • eggman2

        Whatever you say. Toilet paper notation: the junk medicine robber barons propaganda spokesperson.

        • notation

          What’s the matter, eggy? Can’t cite a study? You’ve had a month to find one. What’s wrong? Can’t figure out that you don’t have any proof to post?

          Vaccines are safe and effective. Modern medicine is a big part of the reason we now live longer than any generation in human history. It’s the reason children don’t die of diseases that once killed them routinely. It’s the reason more people who have cancer live longer than they ever did before. It’s the reason people with diabetes and heart disease live longer than ever before.

          You’re a bonafide idiot, egg-yolk. Everyone knows it but you.

          • eggman2

            Bullshit, modern junk medicine is the reason that most of the people that get treated with it die or become disabled. Even an article in the WALL STREET JOURNAL, a conservative pro business publication, admitted to that.

            We need to develop a truly scientific system of healthcare and maintenance of health, but the greedy junk robber barons and the stupid people that believe in them will not allow it. And that could be the end of our American civilization.

            • Hey, Dummy: You’re on the blog of a fucking scientist talking bullshit to scientists and students of science.

            • eggman2

              Hey bullshitter, I am on the blog of bullshitters and prostituted to -the -robber- barons ” so called scientists “.

              For once, a real scientist ,Nobel prize winner, Linus Pauling Phd. , said that medical doctors are not scientists. So, there you go, if most of the people here are stupid modern junk medicine doctors, they can’t be counted as scientists.

              Go to vaccineresistancemovement.org so you have the opportunity to learn real science, you idiot.

              And read what I wrote today: ” WHAT IS WRONG WITH THE THE STUPID HERD IMMUNITY THEORY AND THE STUPID STATISTICS THEORY ? I tried to make it simple for people as stupid as you.

            • Linus Pauling. Really? You want o go with his word? He was a chemist you dolt. Not a doctor, or a medical researcher. His chemistry degrees make him as qualified to give medical advice as I am qualified to build the Night Hawk, or the Blackbird.

              If a website is called “Vaccine Resistance, that disqualifies them from any scientific discussion. Which means, (brace yourself for it) they don’t know anything about science.

              You people get the internet, and pick up some sciencey-sounding words, and think you’re so wise when in fact you’re more like hens, pecking up the gravel of pseudoscience bullshit, instead of the feed of real science, and clucking to one another as if you understood higher mathematics. I’d feel sorry for you fools if ya’ll weren’t so fucking dangerous.

            • eggman2

              Hey your assholeness ( like your highness, but with a twist ) don’t be stupid, the word biochemistry originated from real scientists like Linus Pauling. Biochemistry, ” the real science” ( and not junk medicine ) came after Linus Pauling.

              Whatever a modern ” junk ” medicine doctor says is shit and not science. That ,of course, is different from a doctor versed in some natural medicine.

              Prostituted ” so called scientists ” that are working for the junk medicine robber barons are even worse than junk medicine doctors.

              YOU ARE STUPID IF YOU THINK THAT THOSE TWO ARE PURVEYORS OF SCIENTIFIC KNOWLEDGE.

            • Wow. Were you born this stupid, or did you take lessons?

              Pauling was born in 1901. The history of biochemistry goes back eight centuries.

              Louis Pasteur was one of the three men who invented bacteriology. He died six years before Pauling was born.

              In addition to failing elementary science, you also failed basic history. You should be ashamed of yourself.

            • eggman2

              Bullshit, you asshole, the word ” biochemistry ” was coined late in the 19th century, but it was still a rudimentary science plagued by stupid people like the modern vaccination proponents. Real scientists like Linus Pauling developed it into a real science where the other real science of nutrition ( unlike modern junk medicine that promotes vaccines ) spun from.

              Louis Pasteur was an asshole. There have been other asshole people in history: like the tribe in India that used to scrape their skin and the same time touch the wound with the fluids of a sick person as a primitive form of vaccination. What stupid people, just like the stupid vaccinators

              You should read about the father of junk science –since you are so adept to it . His name was Justus Liebig. His first name is not true; there is no justice in stupidity. His last name is true to his nature , for he was stupid purveyor of a big lie. He originated the stupid brand of agriculture that we have today that kills the soil and kills the people with malnutrition. And his stupid philosophy , evidently, influenced our junk agriculture, junk medicine , and all the junk sciences that are destroying life on earth today.

              You should also go to vactruth.com. They got an article of Bill Gates getting sued in India for killing people with his stupid vaccines.

            • Holy shit. I did not think it possible for anybody to be this stupid, but you showed me. According to you: Galileo wasn’t one of the first astrophysicists because, “der, da woid wasn’t invented til 100 years later,” Pythagoras couldn’t have come up with his theorem “because “theorem” wasn’t coined until later,” and Sun Tzu couldn’t have written The Art of War because the English word “book” wasn’t coined until 200 years after he died. Jeezus Pleezus.

            • notation

              Laughing here.

            • eggman2

              If you really believe in vaccines, which I doubt, the ones laughing would be the anti-vaccine people around you when your ass gets messed up by vaccines.

              But since you are a psychopath working for the junk medicine robber barons drug cartel, you will, most likely, laugh at the people that get sick, become disabled, or die from vaccines.

            • notation

              Nah. Vaccines work. Your brain doesn’t.

            • notation

              When do you think my “ass” will get “messed up by vaccines”? I’m approaching my sixth decade on Earth, you dingus. I’m healthier than you are, for damn sure, since I’m sane.

            • notation

              Not one single person I’ve ever known was “damaged” by a vaccine.

              By your standards of research and data, that means they don’t exist.

            • eggman2

              Thimerosal ( mercury ) was the catalyst for a recent Class Action Lawsuit organized by mothers of children born with Autism and the many behavioral disorders associated with it. Autism is now occurring at levels never seen before in history,1 in 67. The average used to be 1In 20,000. Thimerosal mercury is added to vaccines ostensibly to sterilize the giant multi-dose vats containing the serum.

              Source vaccineresistancemovement.org/?page_I’d=6655

              It shows other carcinogens and poisonous ingredients found in the flu vaccine and other commonly found in all vaccines.

            • eggman2

              Ok, you propaganda bullshiter.

            • Whatever, Pharma Shill.

            • notation

              You got served.

              You’re an idiot.

            • eggman2

              You are stupid. But you are doing your job of propagandist.

            • notation

              Hahahahahaha. What a nut. You are hilarious, eggo.

              What cracks me up is that you keep making a fool of yourself on here, then bitch and whine and piss your pants about it.

              If this is a worthless blog, then why don’t you leave? Beat it. Go find some place populated by crazies just like you.

              Instead, you’re such an attention whore that you post tripe endlessly in hopes somebody will pay attention to you.

              You must be a very sad little man.

    • notation
      • eggman2

        You and your stupid propaganda articles.

        • notation

          What’s false about the articles I’ve posted? Describe in detail what isn’t factual, and provide evidence, dumbazz.

          • eggman2

            You are a propaganda agent of the junk medicine robber barons, and by definition, anything you say is junk.

            • notation

              So you can’t manage to explain what exactly is incorrect, can you?

              You don’t even know what half the words mean.

            • eggman2

              You are telling me to look at a pile of shit, and to tell you what is wrong with it. You are so stupid; everything about a pile of shit is wrong, you don’t have to stir it up.

            • notation

              So you admit you are unable to explain what exactly is not accurate. Thanks. I knew you had no idea what you were babbling about, pea-brain.

            • notation

              So you can’t explain exactly what is incorrect, then?

              Thanks for admitting that there isn’t anything inaccurate or incorrect at all.

            • eggman2

              What is there to explain about shit ? It smells bad; that is all.

    • Andrew Lazarus

      As opposed to, say, Mercola who distributes alternative “medicine” for free. Oh, wait.

      • eggman2

        At least there is someone there doing a public service.

        • Andrew Lazarus

          I should remember you need snark tags. Mercola doesn’t do it for free; he makes more money than all but a handful of vaccine developers.

          • eggman2

            More power to Mercola; that would mean that the tides are turning. But I don’t believe it. The junk medicine robber barons have the government back up. I don’t think Mercola can beat all that corruption, but I hope I am wrong on that one. This might be the only time that I hope you are right.

            • notation

              Mercola is a fucking quack, you moron.

            • eggman2

              And you are a stupid psychopathic 60 year old witch.

          • notation

            He needs more than snark tags.

          • eggman2

            People that do a public service ,like Mercola, should get paid for it.

            Stop the bullshit , the medical-industrial complex budget is bigger than the military industrial complex, and they kill just as many people, if not more. Besides the profits that they make from vaccines, they also make profits from all the illnesses that they cause with the vaccines by selling medication for those illnesses.

            My grandmother used to say, ” You take things according to the person that gives them to you.” An insult , from a junk medicine robber baron propaganda psychopath like you, is just a blessing.
            If someone like you would praise me, I would take it as an insult because it would mean that he/she regards me as a psychopathic brother.

  • eggman2

    On the radio I heard a government add saying that 1In 88 Americans is autistic. Multiply that by 310,000,000 Americans and you get 3,522,727 Americans that are autistic. And that is just one disability. Do you have knowledge or remember the thalidomide babies ? Do you see what junk medicine is doing ?

    What stupid people don’t understand is that there is also a synergistic effect when it comes to pollutants. Your vaccines mix with the pollution in the air, with the pesticides in your food, with your baby’s toxic synthetic vitamin k shot, with the water pollutants that you drink…etc. Why add to any of these instead of eliminating some or all, if you can ?

    But the stupid people believe that the junk industries robber barons are angels, angels of death, perhaps.

    There are too many disabled people in this country to be a coincidence. If the ancients would have had this many disabled, they would have written extensively about them , like Hollywood in their movies does a thousand times, or the contemporary novelists do another thousand times.

    • notation

      You are too stupid for words.

      Why are YOU disabled, you ninny?

      • eggman2

        You are so stupid ,that now you are going to take it on disabled people. No, I am not disabled, but I can see that you are because psychopathy is a disability. And to top that, you are stupid, too. A stupid psychopath, what a combination.

        • notation

          Yes, you are disabled, egg-yolk. You are mentally ill and probably learning disabled.

          • That false assessment and description is not worth much coming from the clearly and obviously mentally defective and twisted likes of yourself; there note ..doodles.

            • notation

              Aww, don’t be sore, Bubbles. You can’t help it that you’re just as stupid as egg-yolk. It’s not your fault you’re ignorant.

            • The evidence within your reply posting shows directly who the ignorant fool and actual stupid egg yolk is. And your to dumb to see that?

            • notation

              It’s “too,” genius.

              You fucked up, Low-balls.

            • notation

              Oh, gosh, and it’s “you’re,” also.

              Boy, Bubbles, you really are showing your ignorance here.

              Why in the world would ANYONE bother to give you any credit for anything, when you cannot even learn the simplest things? You’ve been told over and over how to use “you’re” and “your,” and “to” and “too.” You can’t even figure out something that easy and you expect people to take you seriously? You’re a joke. You’re a complete fraud. You know nothing about medicine or science. You can’t even explain what the studies you cite mean or tell how they were conducted. You don’t know what half the words in them mean!

              I really have to laugh at the idea that you honestly think you’re some kind of savior.

            • eggman2

              Eggman, you stupid. It comes from two things: I like ” I AM THE WALRUS ” by The Beatles. But there is more to it.

              I was 6 to 7 years old , and there were three of our families on the roof of our building: both my uncles’ families and my own. l looked toward the bay, and saw some lights , at the other side of it, coming up.
              My uncle said, ” They must be having fireworks at the fair. But they kept on coming our way. They were elliptical or egg- shaped , brighter than the moon, blue green objects. There were four of them, flying in a straight line formation.

              The next morning my grandmother was visited by a friendly USAF sergeant because she had called in. When my grandmother asked him:” What could those have been ? ” He responded, ma’am, ” Those are most likely not from this world. ”

              So I am obsessed with that.

              And that is not the only encounter that we have had.

            • notation

              You are a loon.

            • eggman2

              Yours is the typical stupid response. But it is specially your trademark–like when you said to me , ” No, you did not study that, nor did you see that, for it is not real. ” That was on another subject, but what the hell do you know about what I have seen or not seen. People like you are really conceited.

              How the hell do you know about what the other people saw , and about what the Air Force sergeant said, either.

            • notation

              It’s sergeant, you moronic goat.

            • It is their fault: They refuse to learn.

            • notation

              True. Stupidity and ignorance are two different things.

            • Indeed. 🙂

            • eggman2

              In you they combine perfectly.

            • eggman2

              You got both.

            • eggman2

              What is there to learn from an idiot like you. Learn from nature.

            • Say, that’s a great idea: Lead the way with drinking an infusion of belladonna tea while chewing some home made nightshade gum. All natural is the way, right?

            • eggman2

              What a stupid joke. But you you could try drinking ” the soup of biohazardous putrefactive material in a salsa of carcinogens ” that stupid vaccinators call VACCINES. It is better for you to drink that crap than to inject it under your skin.

              You guys are really funny though. One of you stupid guys said that glycol was not in vaccines. It is spelled in vaccines as ethylene glycol. In the dictionary ethylene glycol and glycol are interchangeable terms. Ethylene glycol or glycol is classified by the state of California law as a carcinogen. Ethylene glycol is known to cause brain damage in housekeeping workers or window washers from habitual use. It is used in antifreeze as well as in glass cleaning products. So auto mechanics suffer from its poisoning, too. And you, stupid vaccinators inject that crap in little babies.

            • Oh, for Sagan’s sake, stop with the stupidity, please. You’re embarrassing yourself with you lack of basic reading comprehension (I’m going to attempt to ignore your lack of science knowledge).

              Ethylene glycol (IUPAC name: ethane-1,2-diol) is an organic compound primarily used as a raw material in the manufacture of polyester fibers and fabric industry, and polyethylene terephthalate resins (PET) used in bottling.

              Glycol is a diol which is a chemical compound containing two hydroxyl groups (—OH groups). This pairing of functional groups is pervasive and many subcategories have been identified. The most common industrial diol is ethylene glycol.

              Which means, the words are not interchangeable. And neither is in any vaccine.

              California classifies something as a carcinogen? Big whoop. Considering that state is a hot spot for vaccine preventable diseases, and is going through a huge fucking drought, despite being next to a fucking ocean and having the tech to build desalinization plants, they’re not ones to really pay attention to scientifically.

            • eggman2

              Don’t be stupid . I am going by the definitions in the Merriam- Webster’s College Dictionary. Do you think that I could have made something like that up?

              Stop coming up with bullshit like you know everything. But, of course, you are a propaganda bullshiter of the junk medicine robber barons drug cartel. That is your job.

              Ethylene glycol is listed in the book EVERYTHING YOU KNOW IS WRONG as a vaccine ingredient. Enough of your stupid lies to satisfy your masters.

            • Miram-Webster? The guys notorious in the educational community as being filled with spelling errors, and have recently added “LOL,” and “selfie” to their books? Hee heh heh. Wow. You have got to be the stupidest motherfucker I’ve ever encountered online.

              You don’t go to an English text to define scientific terms anymore than you would go to a biology textbook to understand the revolution of the planets.

              It’s not bullshit, Pharma Shill. It’s basic science. You know, the subject you would ditch in school?

              Everything You Know is Wrong is your source? LMAO. You dolt. That’s a conspiracy book. It says the moon landing was faked, 9/11 was an inside job, and the sick fucks from Columbine had a secret accomplice. Why would you look for information from a website the proudly calls itself disinformation dot com?

            • eggman2

              Whatever, R W Fuckedupster. You are a psychopathic bullshiter propaganda specialist for the junk medicine robber barons cartel. You have to be, because nobody would be as stupid as to do what you are doing without getting paid. I know I would not do what you do if I was not getting paid. And even if I would do it, I would feel guilty about it, unlike you, because I have a conscience.

              So, you are either too stupid to understand what I write about, or you are a paid up liar.

            • Hey, everyone! Eggfail just admitted to being a Pharma Shill! We finally found one!

            • notation

              He has to be a Poe.

            • Damn it.

            • notation

              Don’t you think so? NOBODY could be that stupid.

            • Wanna bet?

            • notation

              *Sigh* You’re right. David Foster, cia parker, sabelmouse, freedomdove, the dolts on POPsugar..

              Depressing.

            • notation

              He’s a Poe. I have reached the conclusion that he’s nothing but a troll pretending to be anti-vax.

            • How did you come to said conclusion?

            • notation

              Nobody that stupid would be capable of breathing.

            • Psssh. Clearly you forgot about George Bush, Jr., Jenny McCarthy, Rob Schneider, and Jim Carrey (to name a few idiots)…

            • notation

              All pale in comparison.

              But they’re all contenders for second place in the Asshole Hall of Fame, certainly.

              Too bad there are so many who qualify..

            • Hey! They’re not assholes, they’re idiots. I am an asshole.

            • notation

              You “have a conscience”? How do you feel about the deaths of infants from pertussis they caught from people who weren’t vaccinated and didn’t get their booster shots, you moron?

              I guess they’re just collateral damage and don’t matter to you, you soulless dweeb.

            • notation

              I knew you were stupid, but I had no idea your were this thermo-nuclear moronic. Jesus, what an ass.

            • eggman2

              What is the matter with you, piece of shit ?

              So, we are going to insult someone for no reason at all. That is how stupid you are. You insult someone for no reason.

            • eggman2

              1) Who is the stupid here ,that believes in a stupid pseudoscience calling itself “medicine” , that follows a stupid ” germ theory” that doesn’t work , and uses it to justify injecting under the skin putrefactive material in a soup of carcinogens ? In nature, when something is injected under the skin to some animal by another animal, it is to kill. And you, the stupid vaccinators, say it is to give life. What a bunch of assholes.
              2) Such an idiot as you are, you must not even know what a carcinogen is, or you must bathe in them every day.

            • notation

              “Who is the stupid here”? Oh, that’s easy. You are, egghead. You’re an idiot.

            • eggman2

              And you are so smart ? The stupid psychopathic witch that would inject a putrefactive biohazardous mixture in a soup of carcinogens (VACCINES) in her ass. No way !!!!!!!

            • Mike Stevens

              No vaccine contains ethylene glycol.
              Not a single one. Ever.
              Get with the beat, eggman.

              Polyethylene glycol is found in fluzone. And laxatives. And toothpaste. And dozens of other medical products. It is perfectly safe and non toxic. It acts as a surfactant.

            • notation

              You have more patience than I do, Mike.

              I was just over here : https://disqus.com/home/discussion/3newswebsite/parents_urged_to_vaccinate_against_chickenpox

              I thought I recalled an outbreak of pertussis in California that killed some ~23 infants, but I can’t seem to find the source for that info. Do you recall in what year that outbreak occurred?

            • eggman2

              What a bullshit!!!!!!! ” SAFE AND NON-toxic!!!!!!!
              I found ethylene glycol in the ingredients of vaccine.

              At any rate, none of the ingredients in vaccines are good for you. All the ingredients are harmful.

              Besides, the method of injection is a very stupid one. Even if you inject yourself with lemon juice, a completely natural substance, you know that if you persevere at that, you will die. That is because anything good for the body has to go through the mouth first.

            • notation

              Bullshit. You’re an idiot.

            • eggman2

              Doesn’t a stupid psychopathic junk medicine robber barons’ propagandist like you, have anything better to do than to mislead people in the internet?

            • eggman2

              I already answered this,but it seems like the host does not like it and erased it.

              You are wrong.

            • Mike Stevens

              I very much doubt that. Try again.

            • notation

              Then you should be able to prove it. Why don’t you, you ass?

            • eggman2

              I already did, you bullshiting psychopath. Ethylene glycol is your garden variety vaccine ingredient ,always comon.

            • eggman2

              Don’t be stupid, the only proof is scientific experimentation which your bosses, the junk medicine robber barons , will not allow because they know that they will loose.

            • notation

              Didn’t you just tell me that not all things natural are good?

            • eggman2

              Don’t be stupid. You are naturally stupid and that is not good.

      • Close, but the wrong word was emphasized. Let me fix that for ya:

        Eggman, why are you disabled?

        • notation

          Thank you ever so!

          • You’re welcome, milady. 😉

            • eggman2

              One idiot kissing another idiot’s butt.

        • eggman2

          R. W. Fuckedupster, shut up, no one was talking to you, idiot

          • Considering all of this is text, no one was “talking.” Sorry.

          • notation

            Did you think you were on a private chat, dingus?

      • eggman2

        Look who is calling the kettle black.

    • eggman2

      I heard wrong: it is 1 In 68, a lot worst than I thought.

    • Boris Ogon

      On the radio I heard a government add saying that 1In 88 Americans is autistic. Multiply that by 310,000,000 Americans and you get 3,522,727 Americans that are autistic.

      I certainly appreciate your forceful argument that autism is present at birth and uniformly represented across all age groups.

  • Here is a set of interesting information.

    “We’ve missed ten years of research because the CDC is so paralyzed right now by anything related to autism. They’re not doing what they should be doing because they’re afraid to look for things that might be associated.” -CDC Whistleblower…

    CDC Whistleblower, narrated by Dr Andrew Wakefield.

    Senior government scientist breaks 13 years of silence on CDC’s vaccine-autism fraud African american boys willfully exposed to high risk of autism from MMR vaccine.

    review/103711143/91f7d3d4d8

    A Study by Focus Autism Foundation Finds:
    CDC Whistleblower Reveals Widespread Manipulation of Scientific Data and Top-Down Pressure on CDC Scientists to Support the Fraudulent Application of Government Policies on Vaccine Safety
    Whistleblower Says CDC Knew in 2003 of Higher Autism Rate Among African-American Boys Receiving MMR Shot Earlier Than 36 Months

    Scientific advisor to the Focus Autism Foundation, Dr. Brian Hooker, has obtained explosive information about ongoing malfeasance from a whistleblower for the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The ensuing story received national attention in the press on Aug 18th, 2014. The Focus Autism press release below describes one of the most egregious examples of fraud described by the whistleblower and backed up by data and research methodology – which Dr. Hooker was able to view as a result of a Congressional request for the documents.

    Dr. Hooker’s study, published August 8 in the peer-reviewed scientific journal Translational Neurodegeneration, shows that African-American boys receiving their first MMR vaccine before 36 months of age are 3.4 times more likely to develop autism vs. after 36 months.

    See the recently-published, peer-reviewed article authored by Dr. Hooker which describes CDC researchers’ manipulation of data in an apparent attempt to hide an association between the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine and autism in African-American boys.

    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/blog/new-paper-reveals-cdc-misconduct-data-surrounding-mmr-vaccine-and-autism

    A Study by Focus Autism Foundation Finds: CDC Whistleblower Reveals Widespread Manipulation of Scientific Data and Top-Down Pressure on CDC Scientists to Support the Fraudulent Application of Government Policies on Vaccine Safety
    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/in-the-news/press-releases/cdc-whistleblower-reveals-widespread-manipulation-scientific-data-and-top

    http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/-1939179.htm

    Research
    Measles-mumps-rubella vaccination timing and autism among young african american boys: a reanalysis of CDC data
    Brian S Hooker
    http://www.translationalneurodegeneration.com/content/3/1/16/abstract

    • MattZuke

      This is what a delusional alcoholic accepts as a credible source. An anonymous person who phoned in with a 404 area code so he just HAD to be from the CDC. And a delusional man who FOIA things which are public record claiming there was a big conspiracy when the conspiracy was spelled out.

      /We matched 355 (56%) case and 1020 (56%) control children to Georgia state birth certificate records, which allowed us to obtain additional information, such as each child’s birth weight and gestational age and the mother’s parity, age, race, and education/

      No reason to pick kids with birth certificates my ass.

      The interesting thing is if you accept this bunk is true than you have to concede vaccines are awesome. Just there is a bigger risk if you’re black and you get them on schedule. It’s not some synergy between compounds, it’s not too much too soon, it’s not fetal DNA or the dozens of other conspiracy crap. But in reality you’ve already conceded this is bogus since you conceded there are HUGE epidemiological studies larger than this one which specifically indicate NO elevated risk of ASD with vaccination.

      I would tell you this is why we don’t drink and research, but that’s not true. We can drink and research but we actually have brains and our minds are not addled by alcohol.

    • notation

      Hahahahahaha! OMG. Comedy gold.

      • And you think all the vaccine vaccine injury and resulting autism is a comedy? What part of the hottest part of and in hell should that not deserve your arse going to? Sick.

        • MattZuke

          This is your comprehension disorder. We think you’re the joke. It’s a bit like Laughing at Springtime for Hitler. It’s not that the holocaust is funny, but Mel Brooks is a laugh riot.

          • notation

            Yup. The fact that anyone is as stupid and blind and ignorant as Bubbles is tragic and a sin.

            But Bubbles is a complete hoot.

            • The people that follow what I promote get well, stay well, and see healing without BIG pharma drugs and toxic vaccines. You promote nothing but chronic illness and death. Which one should you prefer, if you had any common sense, and even half a brain.

              Death by Medicine
              http://www.wnho.net/deathbymedicine.htm​
              http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

              The Drug Story

              “The truth about cures without drugs is suppressed, unless it suits the purpose of the censor to garble it. Whether these cures are effected by chiropractors, Naturopaths, Naprapaths, Osteopaths, Faith Healers, Spiritualists, Herbalists, Christian Scientists, or MDs who use the brains they have, you never read about it in the big newspapers.” …Morris A. Bealle

              A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

            • notation

              You’re so stupid you don’t even know to whom you’re replying.

            • Oh, but obviously I know exactly who that is. Just because you are clueless and lost, doesn’t mean that I am.

              CDC Whistle Blower admits MMR Vaccine causes Autism

              Published on Aug 22, 2014

              SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD

              FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

              STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

              My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and

              Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

              I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

              Read more:
              http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

              Of course we have people like denialist Gorski at no science there based now scrambling and has done so to create three blog pages that down play all significance of this issue. It has as well has since, (those said blog articles), recieved a lot of exposure in various articles Don’t buy it, its all still clearly, fraud.

              Autism Links to Vaccines: Whistleblower Reveals Evidence of Criminal Coverup by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC)
              http://www.globalresearch.ca/autism-links-to-vaccines-whistleblower-reveals-evidence-of-criminal-coverup-by-the-centers-for-disease-control-cdc/5397928

              http://whatisvaccination.com/

            • notation

              No, you don’t “know”, Bubbles. You don’t know a single thing. Not one.

            • You have that wrong, instead it is obviously you who selectively chooses to know nothing. Otherwise you would have to stop being a completely mindless sheeple, and face reality.

              Opting Out: The Moral Right to Religious and Conscientious-Belief Exemptions to Vaccination
              http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/Informed-Choice/opting-out/All-Pages.html

              VACCINE REFUSAL FORM
              Don’t sign that form by the AAP accusing you of neglect and abuse by not vaccinating. Hand this over to your pediatrician instead to keep on file.
              http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!vaccine-refusal-form/cno1

              Informed Consent / Vaccine Risks Disclosure Form
              http://www.vacfacts.info/informed-consent–vaccine-risks-disclosure-form.html

              Vaccine Truth Informational – Brochures:
              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-truth-informational-brochures.html

              The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

              The Attempted Suppression of and the Silencing of the Vaccine Truth
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-suppression-and-silencing-of-the-vaccine-truth-and-reality.html

              CDC Whistle Blower admits MMR Vaccine causes Autism
              CDC Responds: Admits Omitting Vaccine Data

              Published on Aug 22, 2014
              SENIOR GOVERNMENT SCIENTIST BREAKS 13 YEARS OF SILENCE ON CDC’S VACCINE-AUTISM FRAUD

              FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE-AUGUST 27,2014

              STATEMENT OF WILLIAM W. THOMPSON, Ph.D., REGARDING THE 2004 ARTICLE EXAMINING THE POSSIBILITY OF A RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN MMR VACCINE AND AUTISM

              My name is William Thompson. I am a Senior Scientist with the Centers for Disease Control and

              Prevention, where I have worked since 1998.

              I regret that my coauthors and I omitted statistically significant information in our 2004 article published in the journal Pediatrics. The omitted data suggested that African American males who received the MMR vaccine before age 36 months were at increased risk for autism. Decisions were made regarding which findings to report after the data were collected, and I believe that the final study protocol was not followed.

              Read more:
              http://www.morganverkamp.com/august-27-2014-press-release-statement-of-william-w-thompson-ph-d-regarding-the-2004-article-examining-the-possibility-of-a-relationship-between-mmr-vaccine-and-autism/

              I see that Gorski was right on that scrambling to produce all the witless denial he can muster.

            • notation

              You’ve posted nothing but nonsense, Bubbles. You can’t cite a study from any credible source that shows that vaccines are “dangerous” or “ineffective.”

              You’re really looking pretty incredibly ineffective yourself. You can’t seem to tell anyone what the studies you DO post mean. Why is that? Stop making excuses, you lamebrain.

            • Says the obvious nit wit person that has not had the ability to actually debate this matter whatsoever; other than to present with low life juvenile mentality, personal attacks.

              You refused the information, admit it. And just because the study and the data is not provaccine, does not mean it is not from a qualifying peer reviewed journal. Just because you refuse any consideration of the study and data, does not make it non-credible. It also does not qualify as non-credible, just because the to much to lose CDC has ignored it and refused to recognize it.

            • notation

              Go ahead, Bubbles. Explain a study in your own words and I’ll be happy to debated you. You can’t do it. You don’t have the first idea what you’re even posting.

            • notation

              So what, now you’re claiming that Matt Zuke and i are the same person? Ahahahahaha.

              You get dumber every time you breathe.

            • I never said that. You dumb arse holes respond to directed reply comments or questions to another person, or the opposite person all the time. But I am not allowed to? Such endless stupidity and hypocrisy.

            • notation

              You’re the one who responded to me and addressed your response to “Zuke,” you bonehead.

            • Wrong, you responded to Zuke, and I responded to you, right below that. Go look. It is is all very easily followed.

            • notation

              Nope. You responded to my post and called me Zuke.

              You must be hitting the bottle hard again, Bubbles.

            • notation

              Right here it is, you dumbfuck:
              Lowell Hubbs notation • a day ago

              The people that follow what I promote get well, stay well, and see healing without BIG pharma drugs and toxic vaccines. You promote nothing but chronic illness and death. Which one should you prefer, if you had any common sense, and even half a brain, Zuke?

            • Obviously that was not what was stated; but in your deranged existence, simply continue on just keep making it up as you go.

            • notation

              Dumbass, you’re the one who addressed your response to me and then called me “Zuke.”

              Drunk again, Bubbles?

            • notation

              Of course it’s what was stated. You replied to my post and called me Zuke. Are you going to lie about that, too? Just as you lie about the safety of vaccines? http://www.immunizationinfo.org/parents/why-immunize

            • Your both replying at the same time, and you replying to him; and it just may have been and appears as an inadvertent error. Making something out of nothing; you are so desperate that you repeatedly harp on the littlest and most insignificant things you can find and pick on, and which largely are irrelevant to anything at all as to the issues in front of you.

            • And why do you keep submitting links to the false pro-vaccine propaganda that have been already addressed and refuted repeatedly?

            • notation

              The only “people” who follow you are dumber than you are. How that could be I cannot imagine. But I do know that not a single person with a working brain thinks you’re anything but a freakin’ nut-job who never got past high school, has no understanding of science, and can’t even put together a coherent sentence.

              That you imagine you are sane and knowledgeable is beyond laughable.

              You can’t even explain what the studies you cite mean. You don’t understand the methodology or even the words that are used in the abstracts. If you did, you could describe the studies in your own words and tell everyone what the results showed and why.

              You can’t. You’re a fraud.

            • The ONLY people that follow you, no identity Notwad, are those sheeple and vaccine shills that are as selectively unwitting as you are, and those as unable to face vaccine reality as you are. Either that or they have failed to do and accept any unbiased research and study science at all; and thus blindingly accept everything they are fed and told. They choose to remain in and on the same sinking ship of needless vaccine harm and complete denial, that you exist on. What an awesome honor, for you.

            • notation

              Oh, I don’t care if anyone “follows” me or not, honey. I get my jollies from ridiculing pinheads like you.

              Come on, Einstein, explain one of the studies you cited. Do so in your own words, Bubbles. I dare you.

            • So, in other words you get off being a paid shill that attempts to harass anyone that presents with the vaccine truth. You do not care what the facts and truth are. That is obvious. So that means you are sick, and really we do not need any more of that on this earth. Why don’t you try and do some good on the earth, instead.

              You can read those studies for yourself, you intentionally clueless bot head. I can read and interpret them, why can’t you? I don’t play mind games and nor your sick games, and you were told that before.

            • notation

              Who’s “we”? You don’t get to decide what anyone on this earth “needs,” you knuckle-dragging baboon.

              You haven’t presented any truth at all. Everyone can see that, and I intend to keep on making fun of you as long as you are posting your bullshit.

              You can’t explain the studies. You simply can’t. Therefore, it’s clear you have no idea what they mean or how they were conducted.

              Not my problem. I don’t have a website I need to advertise.

          • And look who is always talking about others having a comprehension disorder; the vaccine shill poster boy for mindless and selective comprehension disorders. Start facing your own obvious hypocrisy.

        • MattZuke

          “What part of the hottest part of and in hell”

          Why is it that delusional conspiracy nuts always presume other people are going to hell for not buying into their inane global conspiracies. As a good rule of thumb hell is reserved for those who knowingly sin and fail to repent. Even if your right you’re such a tinfoil hat nutter that no one listens thus it’s not a sin to ignore you. Thus you are protected from hell because you actually don’t know any better.

          • No, I have a strong feeling ZUKE, that you are going to hell for all eternity, for the full knowing attack and denial of the more harm than good done, denial of the vaccine harm you have made, and in that you have made a vaccine shill living from it..

            • notation

              “I have a strong feeling….”

              It’s called a bowel movement, Bubbles. Change your diaper.

            • Maybe you should let Zuke respond for himself? And as you can see below, he again produced in his witless state of being an inappropriate response which once again entirely continues to support the conclusion and finding of his own existing and obviously crazed insanity.

            • notation

              Why should I?

              Just because you don’t like it when I post and make you look like the drunken moron you are?

              Sorry, dude. I’ll post whenever and however I want. Go fuck yourself if you don’t like it.

              Better yet, grow a pair and explain one of the studies you cited. Come on, big boy.

            • It and nothing has to do with liking what you post. What you post is false information, period. In fact you have reply posted so little for data and actual information to back your claims that it is pathetic. Instead all you have reply posted is literally only one personal attack and repeat attempt at false discreditation after another; and little to nothing more.

              You can post whatever clueless nonsense you want. Any readers looking for the real truth can see right through it. It is choice in your sheeple mislead selective ignorance, to keep replying, or not.

              Now, who is it that actually looks entirely witless to any form of actual and honest debate of this issue, clueless, and DUMB? Its definitely not me; if you could actually muster any honesty within you.

            • notation

              I haven’t posted anything “false” at all. Prove otherwise. Cite your sources. Whale and A o A and your own stupid blog aren’t valid sources, so don’t even bother.

              Vaccines don’t cause autism. They’ve saved millions of lives.
              Prove otherwise, Bubbles. You can’t. You don’t even understand the studies. If you did you could explain them in your own words.

              And if you really thought that my posts weren’t a threat, you’d stop responding to every one of them. You’re shaking in your shoes.

            • And I will post whatever I want, fuck wad! False personal attacks are not proof of lack of credibility, nor is it data and nor is it science. It is not relavent nor evidecne of anything. Just because you can not in any honesty debate this matter directly.

              You cant handle the truth, quite obviously. You want to think that somehow vaccines are still some magical holy water that is nothing but safe and effective. You are nothing but a bought off and mindless sheeple! You could care less what the truth is, just as long as you still get a denying it all, shill paycheck.

              Congressional Briefing on the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

            • notation

              You can continue to post drivel, honey. In fact, I encourage you to do so. It simply reinforces the fact that you’re an idiot who barely made it through high school and can’t string together three words without fucking them up.

              Go right ahead and continue to prove me right.

            • notation

              Oh, sweetie. The word is “relevant.” And it’s “evidence.”

              Yes, I’m surely going to pay attention to someone who can’t even manage to get simple words right, Bubbles.

              Let me know when you get into that community college, honey.

        • notation

          Prove that autism is caused by vaccines, you moron. The day you do so, I’ll gladly concede. To date, you idiot, you’ve done nothing but make a complete anus of yourself.

          • eggman2

            PROVE THAT IT IS NOT, YOU ASS HOLE.

            • notation

              Prove there isn’t a ’57 Chevy orbiting Uranus, dumbfuck.

            • eggman2

              A new born baby’s system being upset with putrefactive material in a soup of carcinogens ( vaccines ) has nothing to do with a Chevy going around ur–anus.

            • notation

              Prove that a baby’s system is upset by vaccines. Go ahead.

              You can’t.

            • eggman2

              Common sense will tell you that it will, but you don’t have any.

              Now prove that ” putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens ” (VACCINES) is good for the baby’s health. That is what cannot be proved.

              It even sounds bad all by itself without having to prove anything.

            • notation

              Of course it does. It also has nothing to do with reality, like all the other crap you post.

          • There are loads of studies right here and plenty of data that would cause any thinking person to conclude that vaccines indeed do cause autism. You refuse that information, period; because you refuse to be wrong. As a vaccine shill they do not allow you to be wrong, ever; or you are finished, quite obviously.

            It is not just about autism and many individuals have vaccine harm and injury, and have never had autism.

            http://www.vacfacts.info

        • notation

          You’ve yet to show that autism is caused by vaccines. When are you going to do that and stop posing like a queen?

          • kellymbray

            He is too stupid to even know he is a dumbass.

            • notation

              He and egg-yolk must have to assist each other at the urinals. I doubt either one of them can manage to take a leak by themselves without getting their shoes all wet.

            • kellymbray

              I thought they both used Depends.

            • notation

              You win. That’s the best supposition yet!

            • Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
              http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

              Is The Epidemic of Sudden Infant Deaths A Medically Induced ‘Syndrome’?
              http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/epidemic-sudden-infant-deaths-medically-induced-syndrome-1

              Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, and SIDS
              http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

              Scientists Sue Merck: allege fraud, mislabeling, and false certification of MMR vaccine. Suzanne Humphries, MD – See more at:
              http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2012/06/25/scientists-sue-merck-allege-fraud-mislabeling-and-false-certificaion-of-mmr-vaccine-suzanne-humphries-md/

              Study Finds Evidence for CDC Cover-Up of Link Between Autism and Mercury In Vaccines
              http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/study-finds-evidence-cdc-cover-link-between-autism-and-mercury-vaccines

              Marcella Piper Terry: Fradulent, Whistleblown CDC Study. 8-24-14

              The False Foundations of Modern Medicine
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-foundations-of-modern-medicine.html

            • A case of Depends wouldn’t even begin to hold all the sheeple mislead bull crap you are full of.

            • notation

              Hahahaha. So you DO wear Depends! I knew it.

            • Your low level of mentality and lack of any real debate capability here, is beyond obvious. Obviously they hire just anyone and everyone that will sign up to be a vaccine shill?

            • notation

              Aww, are you butt-hurt, Bubbles? Don’t worry, lots of people are incontinent as well as incompetent. I’m sorry for you.

            • notation
            • And again, why do you continue to post links to the pro-vaccine false propaganda that has already any such information been addressed and refuted? The number of vaccines given are doing far more harm than good. They are literally causing a holocaust on the children’s health; and of course they must deny that. They have to much and everything to lose.

            • Kelly M Bray ..SHILL. Wake UP!
              Pasteur was not a scientific genious, but a fraud. Pasteur had no training or credentials in either medicine or physiology; he was a chemist.Pasteur very likely created the disease known as “hydrophobia,” rather than found a cure for it.
              Lie No. 1 : Pasteur is a Benefactor of Humanity
              – from ‘The Ten Biggest Lies about Vaccines’ by Sylvie Simon
              http://www.whale.to/vaccine/simon1.html

              ABSTRACT

              A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million.1 Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics.2, 2a The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million.3 The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million.4 The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States. The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate, 553,251.5

              TABLES AND FIGURES (see Section on Statistical Tables and Figures, below, for exposition)

              ANNUAL PHYSICAL AND ECONOMIC COST OF MEDICAL INTERVENTION
              Condition Deaths Cost Author
              Hospital ADR 106,000 $12 billion Lazarou1 Suh49
              Medical error 98,000 $2 billion IOM6
              Bedsores 115,000 $55 billion Xakellis7 Barczak8
              Infection 88,000 $5 billion Weinstein9 MMWR10
              Malnutrition 108,800 ———– Nurses Coalition11
              Outpatient ADR 199,000 $77 billion Starfield12 Weingart112
              Unnecessary Procedures 37,136 $122 billion HCUP3, 13
              Surgery-Related 32,000 $9 billion AHRQ85
              TOTAL
              783,936 $282 billion

              We could have an even higher death rate by using Dr. Lucien Leape’s 1997 medical and drug error rate of 3 million.14 Multiplied by the fatality rate of 14% (that Leape used in 1994)16 we arrive at an annual death rate of 420,000 for drug errors and medical errors combined. If we put this number in place of Lazorou’s 106,000 drug errors and the Institute of Medicine’s (IOM) 98,000 medical errors (which may have a drug error overlap with Lazorou’s study), we could add another 216,000 deaths making a total of 999,936 deaths annually.

              Condition Deaths Cost Author
              ADR/med error 420,000 $200 billion Leape 199714
              TOTAL
              999,936

              ANNUAL UNNECESSARY MEDICAL EVENTS STATISTICS
              Unnecessary Events People Affected Iatrogenic Events
              Hospitalization 8.9 million4 1.78 million16
              Procedures 7.5 million3 1.3 million40
              TOTAL
              16.4 million 3.08 million

              The enumerating of unnecessary medical events is very important in our analysis. Any medical procedure that is invasive and not necessary must be considered as part of the larger iatrogenic picture. Unfortunately, cause and effect go unmonitored. The figures on unnecessary events represent people (“patients”) who are thrust into a dangerous healthcare system. They are helpless victims. Each one of these 16.4 million lives is being affected in a way that could have a fatal consequence. Simply entering a hospital could result in the following:

              In 16.4 million people, 2.1% chance of a serious adverse drug reaction,1 (186,000)

              In 16.4 million people, 5-6% chance of acquiring a nosocomial infection,9 (489,500)

              In 16.4 million people, 4-36% chance of having an iatrogenic injury in hospital (medical error and adverse drug reactions),16 (1.78 million)

              In 16.4 million people, 17% chance of a procedure error,40 (1.3 million)
              All the statistics above represent a one-year time span. Imagine the numbers over a ten-year period. Working with the most conservative figures from our statistics we project the following 10-year death rates.

              TEN-YEAR DEATH RATES FOR MEDICAL INTERVENTION
              Condition 10-Year Deaths Author
              Adverse Drug Reaction 1.06 million (1)
              Medical error 0.98 million (6)
              Bedsores 1.15 million (7, 8)
              Nosocomial Infection 0.88 million (9, 10)
              Malnutrition 1.09 million (11)
              Outpatients 1.99 million (12, 112)
              Unnecessary Procedures 371,360 (3,13)
              Surgery-related 320,000 (85)
              TOTAL
              7,841,360 (7.8 million)

              Our projected statistic of 7.8 million iatrogenic deaths is more than all the casualties from wars that America has fought in its entire history.

              Our projected figures for unnecessary medical events occurring over a 10-year period are also dramatic.

              TEN-YEAR STATISTICS FOR UNNECESSARY INTERVENTION
              Unnecessary Events 10-Year Deaths Iatrogenic Events
              Hospitalization 89 million4 17 million
              Procedures 75 million3 15 million
              TOTAL
              164 million

              http://www.wnho.net/deathbymedicine.htm

            • notation

              You’re using whale as a source?

              Don’t you ever learn? You are beyond stupid, Bubbles. Rabies existed long before Pasteur ever lived.

              What a friggin’ fucktard.

            • Pasteur was clearly one of the most unethical individuals anyone could have imagined, a complete fraud. An entirely mad and self appointed pseudo junk scientist. Without that and Pasteur, big pharma would have had a lot tuffer go in ever eliminating its existing competition and the standard working naturopathic means to health care of that early day and time. They called it science and evidence based, which of course in truth was the furthest thing from what it really all was.

              PASTEUR’S RABIES

              In the month of March 1886, Pasteur declared to Dr Navarre: “From now on I will not permit the questioning of my theories and my method; I will not tolerate anyone coming and overseeing my experiments.” Thus Pasteur initiated the now institutionalised scientific lie, proffered with impudence by men of science haloed with an usurped prestige.

              History has noted only the success of this vaccine, but neglects to mention that it had multiplied the deaths from rabies. In fact, far from triumph, it was a failure, because no one was ever able to prove its efficacy; first of all because it was practically impossible to demonstrate proof that the accused dogs were ill with rabies and second, because the number of those vaccinated who died was too high for anyone to want to take register it. Léon Daudet told of the dreadful deaths of six Russian land labourers bitten by a wolf and then vaccinated by Pasteur (Souvenirs des milieux littéraires, politiques, artistiques et médicaux de 1880 – 1905). On this issue, the writer protested at the time against what he called “la nouvelle morticoli” (French play on words, ‘the new death’) and wrote a series of articles on the subject.

              As for Prof. Michel Peter, of the Academy of Medicine, he angrily criticised Pasteur’s methods and wrote to Dr Lutaud, editor-in-chief of the Journal de médecine de Paris: “I agree with you on all points: the medication of Mr Pasteur, the so-called protector from rabies, is both an error and a hazard.” For this eminent member of the Academy of Medicine, it was for reasons “little to do with science” that Pasteur was going to such pains to make people believe in the frequency of rabies. Indeed, Pasteur then conjured up hundreds of cases of rabies that could put lives in mortal danger.

              “Now, rabies in humans is a rare disease, very rare: I have seen two cases of it in thirty-five years of hospital and civil practice, and all my hospital colleagues, in the town, as in the countryside, can count in single units and not in dozens (less still in hundreds) the cases of human rabies that they’ve observed. In order to exaggerate the benefits of his method and to mask his lack of success, Mr Pasteur has a vested interest in making people believe that there is a higher rate of mortality in France from rabies. But this is in no way in the interest of truth.” This procedure based on fear would be taken up again later by the laboratories manufacturing vaccines and by their accomplices.

              In addition, before his peers at the Academy, Prof. Peter accused Pasteur not only of having increased the incidence of rabies but of having “provoked cases of paralytic and even convulsive rabies”, rather than having made it disappear completely, as he had pompously announced. “The method of Mr Pasteur could not be less considered from the viewpoint of anaylsing the cases of death, the clinical analysis indicating that a certain number of these fatal cases are due to the Pasteurian inoculations, which explains the rise in deaths from rabies in humans.” Prof. Peter concluded: “Mister Pasteur does not cure rabies, he spreads it!”

              Read more:
              http://www.whale.to/vaccine/simon1.html#PASTEURS_RABIES_ __

              Lie No. 1 : Pasteur is a Benefactor of Humanity – from ‘The Ten Biggest Lies about Vaccines’ by Sylvie Simon
              http://candida-international.blogspot.com/2009/10/lie-no-1-pasteur-is-benefactor-of.html

              You, could learn a lot from this book, that obviously you choose not to know; and then you could make a lot of notes and notations, as to what truths that book revealed, notation!

              Historically, this book should be required reading for all medical students, but it isn’t of course. To much truth.

              The Undesirable Truth, the Case of Pasteur”.
              http://books.google.com/books?id=6y3oS–cqL4C&pg=PA307&lpg=PA307&dq=The+Undesirable+Truth,+the+Case+of+Pasteur%E2%80%9D.&source=bl&ots=d9gvy1ssef&sig=O3xfeUKjYxzw8C8J0W6lxq2COUc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=zdsAVMDqLJDoggSyloCABQ&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=The%20Undesirable%20Truth%2C%20the%20Case%20of%20Pasteur%E2%80%9D.&f=false

              Which in Pasteurs madness has as well now lead to in his following, this outcome.

              Vaccines’ Dark Inferno
              What is not on insert labels?
              http://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccines-dark-inferno/15452

              And it lead to this vaccine contamination madness as well.

              Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

              The Drug Story

              “The truth about cures without drugs is suppressed, unless it suits the purpose of the censor to garble it. Whether these cures are effected by chiropractors, Naturopaths, Osteopaths, Faith Healers, Spiritualists, Herbalists, Christian Scientists, or MDs who use the brains they have, you never read about it in the big newspapers.” …Morris A. Bealle

              A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

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              Pasteur was a genius. You’re a chucklehead.

            • Pasteur was an unqualified and socio sadistic nut job.

              The Real History of Modern Medicine
              Origins of Medical Industry Corruption
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-real-history-of-modern-medicine.html

              A Factological History Of America’s $10,000,000,000 Drug Cartel, Its Methods, Operations, Hidden Ownership, Profits And Terrific Impact On The Health Of The American People.
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-drug-story—the-history-of-modern-medicine.html

              Death By Medicine
              http://www.vacfacts.info/death-by-medicine.html

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              “Pasteur was an unqualified and socio sadistic nut job.”

              List for us all YOUR “qualifications,” you fucking half-wit.

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              Uh-oh! Bubbles is going to blow a gasket any moment now! Watch out or you might get slimed!

            • Oh, not at all. I have been doing this for years. I have seen it all and I have complete imunity to your BS; and it has not effect. Enjoy all of your self made, delusions! Looks indeed like it is you that are the one gritt’n your mad arse teeth and having a major problem.

              Their damn lies about the safety and effectiveness of both of these HPV vaccines, Gardasil and Cervarix, need to stop. This situation needs to be exposed at every level. Become a vaccine truth advocate, today!
              http://sanevax.org/post-cervarix-syndrome-victim-brianna-newport-pagnell-buckinghamshire-uk/

              HPV vaccines are NOT good for everyone.
              http://sanevax.org/hpv-vaccines-not-good-for-everyone/

              Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety-“I am NOT a Coincidence”!
              http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

              Gardasil – The Real Truth
              http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil—the-real-truth.html

              The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

              Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

              Proof that Big Pharma Doesn’t Care About Vaccine Harm

              Big Pharma’s corruption goes back decades. Wyeth’s attempt in 1979 to find a way to make it difficult or impossible to track batches of hot lot vaccines when something goes wrong—like when children die—clarifies that there’s nothing new about their willingness to cover up the massive harms done by their products, even when children die from their vaccines. That shill job not working out so great for you?

              http://www.vacfacts.info/proof-that-big-pharma-doesnrsquot-care-about-vaccine-harm.html

              {SHAKEN BABY SYNDROME OR VACCINE INDUCED ENCEPHALITIS – ARE PARENTS BEING FALSELY ACCUSED? BY Buttram M. D., Harold(Author)}Shaken Baby Syndrome or Vaccine Induced Encephalitis – Are Parents Being Falsely Accused?[paperback] ON 10-Feb,2011
              http://www.amazon.co.uk/SHAKEN-SYNDROME-VACCINE-INDUCED-ENCEPHALITIS/dp/B004STB8AU/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1304402169&sr=1-1

              Falsely Accused Shaken Baby Syndrome, and SIDS
              http://www.vacfacts.info/falsely-accused-shaken-baby-syndrome.html

              Introduction to Hear This Well

            • Really? I think YOU are. You have NO effect on me, period. I do this as a hobby, and like it.

              I know that your vaccine shill in denial of all the vaccine harm done paycheck means everythign to you, but I could care less. You know, as well in your complete denial of all the historical vaccine far more harm than good, done.

              You can not stop the presentation of the evidence of the truth, and you NEVER will.

              CDC Whistleblower Links MMR Vaccine to Autism; Story Promptly Censored

              Dr. Andrew Wakefield speaks out about CDC scientist’s admission of vaccine research fraud – video
              http://www.naturalnews.com/046661_Dr_Andrew_Wakefield_CDC_whistleblower_MMR_vaccines.html

              CDC “Whistleblower” Now Says He’d NEVER Inject His Pregnant Wife with a Flu Shot!

              Lowell Hubbs · Top Commenter · Editor at VacFACTS.Info
              http://www.argusleader.com/story/news/2014/09/07/rare-disorder-hard-choices-family/15232151/

              STOP vaccinating!!! The multiple and endless vaccines 49 doses of 14 vaccines, (up to 30 before the age of 2) and before the age of 6, are what is and ARE causing the and these multiple seizures!!! No different than the older and now discontinued DPT vaccine.

              A Shot In The Dark
              http://www.amazon.com/A-Shot-Dark-H-Coulter/dp/089529463X

              Families See Colorado as New Frontier on Medical Marijuana
              http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/us/families-see-colorado-as-new-frontier-on-medical-marijuana.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

              Families Move to Colorado for Marijuana Oil for Seizures
              http://epilepsyeducationtoday.com/marijuana-oil-for-seizures

              Virginia Family Moves to Colorado to Treat Epileptic Child with Cannabis Oil
              http://www.cannabisculture.com/content/2014/05/12/Virginia-Family-Moves-Colorado-Treat-Epileptic-Child-Cannabis-Oil

              Cannabis Oil And The Existing Medicinal Science
              http://www.vacfacts.info/cannabis-oil-and-the-existing-medicinal-science.html

              The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

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              Nah, you’re an impotent little twit who never managed to take a science class after high school and has no idea what he’s talking about. You are simply misinformed and too stupid to know it and it pisses you off every time it’s pointed out to you.

          • Keep lying until hell freezes over, DOOSHBAG. You know that is all you can do. There exists a bulwark of evidence, studies, and data there, and you know it. What? Just because the CDC did not acknowledge it, you can ignore it? They are the CDC in the fight for their life, and you are hired to be a vaccine shill to defend against the actual truth. Get real. You know that as well as I do.

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              You seem upset, Bubbles. Go have a beer, honey.

              Autism isn’t caused by vaccines.

            • You seem irritated at the truth and anyone who reveals it. Maybe you should talk to a psychologist about your anger and denial of reality issues?

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              Oh, do I? I’m having a blast, honey. It’s hilarious watching you hoist on your own petard in every utterance you fart out.

            • That’s a good one. You come in here as a paid off vaccine shill and make an fool out of yourself with no identity, harassing the vaccine truth and anyone that puts it forward; and you call that having a blast. You people are quite obviously very sick.

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              Nah. I’m fine. I just love ridiculing people who are out of their minds and don’t even know it. You’re nuts, Bubbles. You’ve pickled what little bit of gray matter you had.

              Vaccines have saved millions of lives. They’re one of the greatest medical achievements in history.

              People like you are just nincompoops and crackpots.

            • It is all quite obvious who the REAL nut cases and crackpots are, and it is you, Zuke, DumbBray, and OOOgon.

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              Nah. You already know you’re beaten, fuckwit. You’re absolutely foaming at the mouth every time you post your rants, Bubbles. You cannot figure out what the studies you cite are about or how they were conducted. You don’t understand a thing about the science you’re cutting and pasting.

              You don’t have the education required to grasp even the simplest concepts. You’ve been called on it, and it infuriates you that you can’t demonstrate the most superficial understanding of vaccines.

              You can’t show they’re dangerous. You can’t show that they’re ineffective.

              You’re an impotent little nut-case who posts a photo of himself thinking it’s going to make people want to read the crap you post. It makes me laugh every time I see it.

            • No one is beaten just because in your delusional mind you must continue to insist on it and think so. No one is beaten just because the for example sick, corrupt, and to much to lose CDC takes your side and view.

              Every bit of what you say has not been shown, indeed HAS been shown. You simply must continue to deny it. That is your job as bought off vaccine shill.

              Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence
              https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw

              Introduction to Hear This Well

              Hear This Well: VACCINES DO CAUSE AUTISM
              Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine

              Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine

              Hear This Well.. VACCINES CAUSE AUTISM!

              Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine

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              Yes, dear. You ARE beaten. Nobody but idiots take you seriously.

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              It’s “too much to lose,” Bubbles.

              “..has not been shown..” Oh, but it HAS, Bubbles. What hasn’t been shown is any evidence that vaccines are not safe or effective.

              When are you going to get around to demonstrating that vaccines are not effective? Or unsafe?

              You’ve failed on every try, darling.

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            • In my research on vaccine truth, I have already looked at and read all of the false vaccine propaganda. Vaccines throughout history have always done more harm than good. Currently are clearly vaccines are preventing the natural eradication of pertussis and measles. Natural immunity is the only way those illnesses will ever be eradicated, and there is obviously no such thing as vaccine derived herd immunity. If so, and if vaccine derived herd immunity existed, those two illnesses would have been eradicated long ago.

              How Vaccines Dysregulate The Immune System
              http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/how-vaccines-dysregulate-the-immune-system/

              Vaccinations Cause Chronic Immune SystemDysregulation
              http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

              An Immune Disorder at the Root of Autism

              So here’s the short of it: At least a subset of autism — perhaps one-third, and very likely more — looks like a type of inflammatory disease. And it begins in the womb. [No it does NOT, and that is not necessarily true, unless the mother has taken a Thimerosal containing flu vaccine, or such as an aluminum adjuvant containing DTaP vaccine. Much of thisdysregulation can clearly happen after birth, and of course infants are vaccinated, from birth.]

              It starts with what scientists call immunedysregulation. Ideally, your immune system should operate like an enlightened action hero, meting out inflammation precisely, accurately and with deadly force when necessary, but then quickly returning to a Zen-like calm. Doing so requires an optimal balance of pro- and anti-inflammatory muscle.

              In autistic individuals, the immune system fails at this balancing act. Inflammatory signals dominate. Anti-inflammatory ones are inadequate. A state of chronic activation prevails. And the more skewed toward inflammation, the more acute the autistic symptoms.

              Nowhere are the consequences of this dysregulationmore evident than in the autistic brain. Spidery cells that help maintain neurons — called astroglia and microglia — are enlarged from chronic activation. Pro-inflammatory signaling molecules abound. Genes involved in inflammation are switched on.

              These findings are important for many reasons, but perhaps the most noteworthy is that they provide evidence of an abnormal, continuing biological process. That means that there is finally a therapeutic target for a disorder defined by behavioral criteria like social impairments, difficulty communicating and repetitive behaviors.

              http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

              A Mouse Model for the Immune Dysregulation Subtype of Autism, (And they would still claim to that there is no way vaccines have and can cause autism? That conclusion is of course clearly preposterous.)

              http://tacanowblog.com/2012/07/23/a-mouse-model-for-the-immune-dysregulation-subtype-of-autism/

              Vaccines and Autism, ADHD and Asthma

              Immunizations and the Immunocompromised

              “Yet, no doctor is trained to look for this type of immunodeficiency and/or the kind of immunedysregulation that multiple vaccine can cause; which lead to so called inflammatory syndromes and resulting overactivation of the brains microglia cells and resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation now ever more increasingly found in studies of those with autism. Vaccine aluminum adjuvants in several studies have been fund as well to in itself cause this stated inflammation.

              http://www.epidemicanswers.org/vaccines-and-autism-adhd-and-asthma/

              Immune Deficiencies
              Antibodies (or Immunoglobins)

              Concentrations of IL-12 and interferon gamma are much higher in the blood of children with autism than in normal children, indicating an immune activation, possibly due to adverse vaccine reactions. An optimal immune response to Candida infections necessitates a finely tuned balance of interferon gamma production; the dysregulation of the immune system, caused by IL-12-induced increases in gamma interferon, leads to increased Candida susceptibility in animals.

              Read more:
              http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/immunedeficiencies.asp

              The immune response in autism: a new frontier for autism research

              Immune aberrations consistent with a dysregulated immune response, which so far, have been reported in autistic children, include abnormal or skewed T helper cell type 1 (TH1)/TH2 cytokine profiles, decreased lymphocyte numbers, decreased T cell mitogen response, and the imbalance of serum immunoglobulin levels. In addition, autism has been linked with autoimmunity and an association with immune-based genes including human leukocyte antigen (HLA)-DRB1 and complement C4 alleles described.

              Read more:
              http://www.jleukbio.org/content/80/1/1.long

              Study links vaccine induced immune overload to autism, diabetes, obesity

              A new vaccine study published in Molecular and Genetic Medicine is bringing to the forefront the disturbing connection between the dramatic expansion in the quantity of routine childhoodvaccines administered and a corresponding increase in inflammation-associated disorders.

              Titled, “Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases,” the study argues that vaccine-induced immune overload is a driving factor in a number of rapidly accelerating childhood epidemics including:

              Autism
              Type 1 diabetes
              Asthma
              Food allergies
              Many autoimmune diseases
              Obesity
              Type 2 diabetes
              Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFL)
              Metabolic disease.

              http://www.sott.net/article/279911-Study-links-vaccine-induced-immune-overload-to-autism-diabetes-obesity

              http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_30175.cfm

              Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases

              Abstract Background: Epidemics of type 1 diabetes had been linked to inflammation. Previous reports have suggested the prevalence of autism is increased in patients with type 1diabetes.

              Methods: Medline and Google searches were performed in late 2010 to find a country where there was simulta-neous data on the incidence or prevalence of type 1 diabetes, type 2 diabetes and autism in multiple different races. The association between prevalence of autism in children and the incidence of type 1 diabetes or type 2 diabetes in children, when stratified by race, was studied.

              Results: The prevalence of autism has a statistically significant positive association with the incidence of type 1 diabetes but has a statistically significant inverse association with type 2 diabetes.

              Conclusion: This suggests that patients with autoimmune autism likely represent a large subset of patients with autism and that the etiology of the epidemic of autoimmune/inflammation mediated autism in children is likely to be related to the etiology of the simultaneous epidemic of type 1 diabetes in children.

              http://www.omicsonline.com/open-access/vaccine-induced-immune-overload-and-the-resulting-epidemics-of-type-diabetes-and-metabolic-syndrome-1747-0862.S1-025.php?aid=24058

              Autoimmune Disorders Caused by Vaccines
              http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/autoimmune-disorders-caused-by-vaccines/

              Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

              Conclusions/Significance

              Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.

              http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0008382

              How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences
              http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

              Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
              http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

              Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
              How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
              http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

              Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
              http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

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              “I have already looked at and read all of the ….blah, blah, blah.” No, you haven’t. You can’t even figure out what the words mean, you simpleton. If you could, you’d be able to explain just one of the studies you’re citing in your own words.

              You can’t. You don’t have the faintest idea what the studies are about or what their results mean.

              You prove it every time you post, Bubbles. It shows with all your spluttering and yammering about how much you know. If you knew, you wouldn’t be the laughingstock of the web.

            • In your delusional and crack pot world you would like to and would force yourself to believe that. However, no one but a mindless vaccine shill like yourself could ever even begin to be so good at believing your own lies and complete delusions. In any honesty who would you and do you actually think would even begin to believe such mindless complete nonsense and total bull crap?

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              I believe science. You don’t. You’re a high school graduate who can’t even manage to figure out how to explain a study in your own words.

              Get a clue, Bubbles. Nobody believes your crap.

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              “preventing the natural eradication of pertussis and measles. Natural immunity…”

              We’ve already been over this, you weasel. Pertussis doesn’t give people “natural immunity” for long periods of time, and certainly not for life. The immunity begins to wane after as little as 7 years, dumbfuck.

              You are such a moron that you honestly don’t get it that kids die from these diseases. They’re not going to BECOME IMMUNE, you assclown.

              How can anyone be this dumb? It was not until the vaccine was developed that measles incidence dropped like a rock. It wasn’t being eradicated “naturally,” you moron. The statistics show it. You can deny it all you want, but you’re simply lying.

            • Pertussis and natural immunity, means that you do not shed like the vaccinated do. Natural immunity lasts much longer than vaccine derived, and just long enough to have a far better better chance at producing eradication.

              Whooping cough immunity lasts longer than previously thought

              Immunity to whooping cough lasts at least 30 years on average, much longer than previously thought, according to a new study by researchers based at the University of Michigan and the University of New Mexico. Details are published October 30 in the open-access journal PLoS Pathogens.

              Read more:
              http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091029211528.htm

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              You are such a dumbass that you don’t get the fact that having the disease to get “longer lasting immunity” means you are getting sick with a disease that’s bad enough that you want to be immune. How fucking stupid are you?

              Do you realize that kids die and are disabled by these diseases? They kill people, you fucking idiot.

              Twenty infants DIED of pertussis, Bubbles. Do you think their parents are happy that they are, in your idiotic beer-pickled skull, helping to “eradicate” pertussis? How many children are you willing to sacrifice on the altar of your idiocy?

              There is absolutely NO evidence that vaccines are “dangerous” or “deadly” or that we’re “better off” becoming “naturally immune,” you witless asshole.

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              By the way, dumbass, your source is from 2009, so not up-to-date.

              Natural immunity

              Q. I would rather my child develop natural immunity to chickenpox, so that he is at less risk of developing chickenpox as an adult.

              A. The good news is that regardless of whether we become immune to chickenpox from getting a vaccine or having the disease, our immune memory will protect us as adults. While there used to be a concern that the chickenpox vaccine would not provide lifelong immunity, data has not supported this concern. Immunity lasts at least 20 years and based on experience with the rubella vaccine, which is made the same way, is expected to be lifelong. Because the chickenpox vaccine affords immunity without the possibility of complications typically associated with natural infection, the vaccine offers immunity without the risk of disease.

              As an aside, adults who have not had chickenpox disease or the vaccine should get vaccinated, since chickenpox disease in adults is often more severe.

            • 2009 is as real life today as it was then. How old are your vested interest in vaccines studies showing that natural immunity to pertussis, only lasts seven years?

              Why then as well are there stil outbreaks of varicella in the vaccinated? Why would anyone want to risk varicella when at a much older age? Why would anyone risk that while pregnant when they could have had it done with as a child? For profit vaccine insanity; is not the equivalent of science nor studies!

              Varicella and Shingles Vaccine – For Profit Quackery
              http://www.vacfacts.info/varicella-and-shingles-vaccine—for-profit-quackery.html

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              No, honey, it isn’t. You are simply not equipped, Bubbles, to argue about science, since it’s a foreign language to you.

              If it weren’t, you’d be able to translate studies into your own words. You can’t do that, because you don’t have any idea what the words mean.

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              Hilarious that your only cheerleader is an idiot who lives in Ireland and doesn’t even know that rubella is communicable 5-7 days before symptoms show up. In that time, any pregnant woman in her first trimester could be infected and her fetus could be at risk of being disabled or dying.

              What’s that, Bubbles? It doesn’t matter? Because your personal freedom is FAR more important than the well-being of anyone else, it’s immaterial?

              You’re an asshole.

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              “Why then as well…”

              Do have any idea how absolutely laughable are your attempts at writing a coherent sentence, Bubbles?

              Take a fucking class, you idiot. You need remedial grammar classes.

            • Really? I think you are BEYOND completely delusional

              Introduction to Hear This Well

              The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

              Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

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              Why should anyone risk varicella as a child when one can easily avoid it with a vaccine?

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              ” Life time immunity is only conferred from contracting the disease.”

              From Linda Tock:
              Getting measles gives you lifelong immunity. So does two doses of the MMR if you’re in the 99% that seroconvert.

              Otherwise, you don’t get lifelong immunity from getting the disease.

              Not for whooping cough, rubella, chicken pox, tetanus, influenza, etc.”

              You’re full of shit, as usual, Bubbles. And beer.

            • Again. The real life evidence entirely contradicts your claims!!!
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

              Same thing for polio and small pox.
              http://www.vacfacts.info/failure-of-the-continued-polio-vaccine-campaign.html

              Want some actual vaccine reality, listen to this video.

              Congressional Briefing on the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4CwROrKG8A

              And this one.

              Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence
              https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw

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              No, it doesn’t. Your “blog,” if a collection of the illiterate drivel can be called that, proves nothing at all, except that you’re an ass-clown who couldn’t get into college.

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              Um, no it doesn’t, Bubbles.

              If you can’t cite anything but your own delusional blog, honey, do your really think ANYONE, other than suz norman, will kiss your shitty ass?

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              The vaccinated DON’T “shed the virus,” you moronic dolt.

            • Immunity to whooping cough lasts at least 30 years on average, much longer than previously thought, according to a new study by researchers based at the University of Michigan and the University of New Mexico. Details are published October 30 in the open-access journal PLoS Pathogens.

              http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091029211528.htm

              How long does vaccine derived immunity last? With 80% of those pertussis outbreaks being in the vaccinated, it sure does not appear to be very long, and if you acquire any immunity at all!.

              The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

              The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

              The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

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              Wrong, Bubbles. Again. You cite nothing but cherry-picked studies and your own moronic attempt at a blog. Oh, and you might try including the YEAR your linked source was published, instead of dishonestly giving only the month.

              It came out in 2009. FIVE YEARS AGO.

              Try harder, honey.

              I know it’s tough when you barely made it through high school. Maybe you should consider going to your local community college.

            • You call THAT a cherry picked study? Just because you refuse any information and data whatsoever that is not pro-vaccine??? I pick the best studies from the unbiased independent data, in opposition to your biased and vested interest in vaccines, studies. And YOU have a problem with that? So, in other words you can not and refuse to actually debate this matter, much more in any honesty; and again all you can do again and again is provide for more personal attacks. Nice job.

              Whooping cough immunity lasts longer than previously thought

              Immunity to whooping cough lasts at least 30 years on average, much longer than previously thought, according to a new study by researchers based at the University of Michigan and the University of New Mexico. Details are published October 30 in the open-access journal PLoS Pathogens.

              http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/10/091029211528.htm

              Congressional Briefing on the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

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              Yup. Because that’s what it is. Don’t like it? Who gives a fuck what you like, Bubbles? You’re a drunken dolt.

            • notation

              Oh, and you stupid cluck, what do you not understand about the outbreaks? When nearly EVERY SINGLE PERSON IS VACCINATED, of COURSE when there’s an outbreak, a good percentage of those who get sick will be those who are vaccinated because almost no one is NOT, except for idiots like you!

              God, you’re an ass.

            • What do YOU NOT understand about an outbreak that contains 80% vaccinated for pertussis, and 90% for measles? No matter how you attempt to spin the math, the lowest percentage of the outbreak was clearly in the unvaccinated.

              The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

              Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence
              https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw

              National Vaccine Information Center Calls for Removal of Vaccine Safety Oversight from Department of Health and Human Services
              http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2014/09/02/vaccine-safety.aspx

              What Is Vaccine Spectrum Disorder?
              http://www.viewbix.com/v/What-is-Vaccine-Spectrum-Disorder/5a9ebf77-eb51-4dec-9362-6fe8399cf18c

              Since the first National Vaccine Injury Compensation (VICP) claims were filed in 1989, 3,683 compensation awards have been made. More than $2.7 billion in compensation awards has been paid to petitioners and more than $114.3 million
              has been paid to cover attorneys’ fees and other legal costs.

              To date, 9,806 claims have been dismissed. Of those, 4,837 claimants were paid more than $63.4 million to cover attorneys’ fees and other legal costs.

              WHAT an unfair system! NO responsibility taken, ever.
              http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data.html

              Truth In Media: Vaccine Court and Autism, (an expose on what it is, and the existing problematic issues regarding the federal vaccine court).
              http://benswann.com/truth-in-media-vaccine-court-and-autism/

              Congressional Briefing on the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program

            • notation

              What do you not understand about the fact that most people ARE VACCINATED?

            • That is NOT how it works, DUMMY. You do not comprehend 1st grade math. You do that by choice. See if you can try to comprehend a little basic comomon sense and math here?

            • notation

              You haven’t got either basic common sense or any idea how to do math.

              You’re an idiot, No-balls.

            • notation
            • That article provides absolutely NOTHING to show nor prove the existence of the myth, vaccine derived herd immunity! Nothing, “DUMBFUCK”!!! Wake the hell up and smell the coffee!!! That disinformation bullshit is there to present to people like me and us, when the need arrises but it actually as aways provides nothing for evidence, period.

              As always, the real truth remains standing on its own.

              The False Theory of Vaccine Derived – Herd Immunity
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-false-theory-of-vaccine-derived—herd-immunity.html

              Hear This Well: Breaking the Silence on Vaccine Violence
              https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCFCrfK5rP_B6huriP1hLApw

              Vaccine Injury Table
              http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/vaccinetable.html

              The Attempted Suppression of and the Silencing of the Vaccine Truth
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-suppression-and-silencing-of-the-vaccine-truth-and-reality.html

              Informed Consent / Vaccine Risks Disclosure Form
              http://www.vacfacts.info/informed-consent–vaccine-risks-disclosure-form.html

              Vaccination Cover Up: The Triangle of Blame (Video)
              http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2014/08/18/vaccination-cover-up-the-triangle-of-blame-video/

            • notation

              Oh, look. More nonsense.

            • notation

              Gosh, Bubbles! You appear to be a bit distraught! Be careful, dear, you might pop an eyeball, honey!

            • Oh…NOT at all.. and YOU? I actually enjoy exposing your vaccine lies, and misinformation!

              Their damn lies about the safety and effectiveness of both of these HPV vaccines, Gardasil and Cervarix, need to stop. This situation needs to be exposed at every level. Become a vaccine truth advocate, today!
              http://sanevax.org/post-cervarix-syndrome-victim-brianna-newport-pagnell-buckinghamshire-uk/

              The Attempted Suppression of and the Silencing of the Vaccine Truth
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-suppression-and-silencing-of-the-vaccine-truth-and-reality.html

              Vaccine Caused Ischemia/Hypoxia
              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-caused-ischemiahypoxia.html

              Vaccination toxicity: The Zeta phase of MASS and “blood sludging”
              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccination-toxicity-the-zeta-phase-of-mass-and-ldquoblood-sludgingrdquo.html

            • It’s spelled “D-O-U-C-H-E-B-A-G,” Dumbass.

            • notation

              Sweetie, I have to ask you. Do you think Skeptical Raptor will censor your post if you use the word “douchebag,” or do you really not know that’s how it’s spelled?

              My experience in reading your drivel tells me that you probably think it really is “dooshbag.” You poor thing.

          • When are you going to quit lying about that? You have had loads of evidence and studies in front of you. You refuse it.

            Autism

            The dangers of using aborted fetal cell lines for vaccine manufacture have been debated by the FDA for over 50 years, and yet they have not done sufficient safety studies. The active component of a vaccine is a virus. Viruses are too large to manufacture in test tubes. Therefore, vaccine manufacturers exploit the natural method of producing virus– they inoculate cells and the cells produce the virus for them. Each vial of vaccine contains contaminants from the cells used to make the virus. When we use animal cells to make viruses, the residual material is not human and so we mount an immune response to it and eliminate it. However, in the case of vaccines produced using aborted human fetal cell lines, we have the dangers of triggering an autoimmune response and insertion of the contaminating DNA to disrupt the child’s own genes.

            In the US, autism has spiked up in 3 distinct years, called changepoints. The first changepoint occurred in 1981, the second in 19881, and the third in 1996. These spikes coincide with the introduction of vaccines that are produced in aborted fetal cells. In 1979, aborted fetal cell produced MMR II was approved in the US. Compliance campaigns brought MMR II use up from as low as 49% for children born before 1987 to over 82% for children born in 1989 and later. A second dose of MMR II was also introduced to the vaccination schedule for children born in 1988 and later.

            The third changepoint corresponds to the approval of aborted fetal cell produced Varivax (chickenpox) in 1995 (See figure below).

            Read more: http://soundchoice.org/autism/

            Chickenpox Vaccine Use is Highly Statistically Related to Autism Disorder
            NOVEMBER 27, 2012

            “What the graphs show you is that in almost every state in the US, the use of chickenpox vaccine is directly related to the number of children diagnosed with autism disorder in each year during which chickenpox vaccine use rose from 0% until it reached its maximum use. I’ll say that again, for emphasis: as more and more children were vaccinated with the chickenpox vaccine, more and more children were diagnosed with autism disorder. Statistical analysis on the data for the entire US yields a correlation coefficient (R2) of 0.9598. For those of you who don’t understand statistics, an R2 of 0.9598 is very significant.”

            http://www.cogforlife.org/2012/11/27/scpichickenpox-pdf/#more-2199

            Read the entire story here. http://www.cogforlife.org/ChickenpoxAutism.pdf

            Is Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines Linked to Autism?
            http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2009/jul/09072106

            Fetal Tissue in Vaccine Production May be Linked to Autism in Children Claims Campaign Group
            http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2009/jul/09070611

            Study Confirms Autism Boom – Correlates with Aborted Fetal DNA in Vaccines
            http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive/ldn/2010/apr/10042306

            Abortion-Tainted New Flu Vaccine From Vaxin Uses Aborted Fetal Cell Lines
            http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2005/feb/05020703.html

            Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
            http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

          • Mary Meet

            Perhaps you should research – it is even revealed in mainstream news now

            • notation

              No, it hasn’t. You really should learn to read.

    • Boris Ogon

      Here is a set of interesting information.

      Wait a second, Lodwill. Hooker’s paper is not just prima facie “entire corrupt with predetermined outcomes” (with “as well nothing accessible for most people”) by virtue of being EPIDEMIOLOGICAL and SPOON-FED TO HIM, but it’s based on a data set that you your fucking self have described as being only able to produce “nothing more than statistical junk science; based on flawed study designs, unreliable data, a high amount of bias.”

      You know what’s EVEN WORSE for you, Lodwill? Hooker confirmed the results in all but ONE CLAIMED DETAIL.

      Then again, yah, I suppose it is a “set of [claimed to] interesting information.” Well played, Halter Top.

      • That kind of stupidity is nearly unmatched, Bordil Ooogon. I made no comment on it whatsoever, nor to the effect that you say I have; keep making it up as you go, desperate man. And you know what, we are not even talking about the same set of data and information, you complete dumb arse loser. YOU are talking about the analysis on 14 studies, and that has nothing to do with Brian Hookers latest information. See if you can try and keep up with the pace, and information you are attempting to debate here…Dooshie Mac… Ogon.

        • Boris Ogon

          We are not even talking about the same set of data and information, you complete dumb arse loser. YOU are talking about the analysis on 14 studies

          Lodwill, if I didn’t have genuinely pressing things on my mind, I would take the time to go through the dismaying idiocy of your comment in detail.

          Instead, I will settle for simply observing that no, I are not talking about “the analysis on 14 studies,” fuckwit. G-d only knows how the fuck you managed to arrive at this catastrophe.

          • You are mixing two sets of information as if they are one set, which one has nothing to do with the other. As I said before, at no point have I ever said that all epidemiological studies are worthless. It depends on how accurately and honestly the data is collected and concluded the findings. And again physiologically based studies are still the best form and source of study in regard to vaccine safety.

            VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
            http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

        • notation

          That “halter top” comment really hurts, doesn’t it, Bubbles?

          I have to say that watching you attempt to use semicolons is kind of like watching a dog try to waltz.

    • eggman2

      Right on Lowell, keep hitting these idiots. There should come as no surprise- but only to the most stupid people- that the CDC, FDA, NIH, EPA, AND ANY OTHER AGENCIES SOLD OUT TO THE BEST BIDDER, ARE A BUNCH OF CROOKS.

      • notation

        “Hiting”? “Bider”?

        Hilarious. You guys are better at shooting yourselves in the foot than you know.

        • eggman2

          Shut up ignoramus. AND LEARN BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. LEARN WHAT IS IMPORTANT AND NOT YOUR STUPID CRAP.

          • notation

            Why would I rely on and idiot who never made it past high school to tell me anything? You’re a bonehead.

            • eggman2

              You just throw in your stupid guesses , but you don’t know what you are talking about.

              ” The thing that bugs me is that the people think the FDA is protecting them–it isn’t. What the FDA is doing and what the public thinks it’s doing are as different as night and day. “– Dr. Herbert Ley , as he was forced to retire as Commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, 1969 ( Ousted FDA chief charges ‘pressure’ from drug industry. New York Times, Dec 31, 1969)

            • notation

              You’re citing a quote from 1969 from a disgruntled and fired employee? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! My word but you’re stupid.

            • eggman2

              You are so stupid ! Don’t you stupid vaccinators say that history is important and points out to the greatness of vaccines ( which it doesn’t ) ?

              Don’t be stupid. You heard from the horses mouth–that was trying to do something good for you–idiot.

              My grandmother used to say, ” Hell is full of ungrateful souls. ” Is that where you are going ?

            • notation

              More like the horse’s ass, you imbecile.

            • eggman2

              Watch out. My grandma could have been right.

            • notation

              Your grandma would only have been right about something if she said you were a mistake.

            • eggman2

              She never said that ,and she was always right. She would have said that you are crazy.

            • notation

              Your grandmother was an imbecile who should never have reproduced.

  • Featured comment-reply!

    Boris Ogon Lowell Hubbs • 2 months ago

    There are not hundreds of peer reviewed articles showing no evidence; that is a myth.

    Myth this, asshole. And no stupid shit about oooh, waah, epidumbiology, nooo, no squeezing out any SafeMinds pus, wiping it on the monitor, and calling it a day. You, Lodwill. You come up with some rational fucking criticisms of the actual content using the goddamned thing on top of your neck-stalk.

    And I swear to fucking G-d that if I ever catch you trying to rely on epidemiological work – like, I dunno, a case series with data manipulated by some asshole who was secretly getting paid – I will rain your failure to even understand what the word meansdown on your empty fucking head with every spare moment.

    ———

    Your empty and mindless personally attacking and full of yourself angry threats mean nothing to me, period. Featured comment; you are a complete joke.

    Take a look at your study sources. Are you that stupid that you do not realize that I have known those studies are there and have been there all along? Look at the study sources. They are predominately all pharma connected, and connected to various other sources with a vested interest in vaccines, and as well in the denial of any harm done. What do the independent studies and data show us? Oh now, you know that is an entirely different story and outcome, now isn’t it. All in all I can bury you in those kind of studies, and that kind of informational data. Its all listed right here, and you know it. VacFacts http://www.vacfacts.info You are not interested in the truth, but only in denial of all truth.

    As for epidemiological studies, you need to actually pay attention and get it right as to what is being put forth. It is not that they have no value at all, and indeed there are times they may be useful; however physiologically based studies are far more preferable, and to get the whole picture. The only thing that reference did, was show you the corrupt nature of those claimed to as top and larger epidemiological studies; and it does that with a direct analysis. That analysis directly showed the evidence of flawed study designs, the use of unreliable data, the evidence of predetermined conclusions unsupported by the data, and again serious conflicts of interest in the studies funding sources. You can deny that all you want.

    • MattZuke

      ” I ever catch you trying to rely on epidemiological work ”

      You know like smoking? The evidence against smoking is bogus? It’s all a conspiracy?

      • What a completely deranged and obviously stupified idiot you are…. Zuke.

    • Boris Ogon

      The only thing that reference did, was show you the corrupt nature of those claimed to as top and larger epidemiological studies; and it does that with a direct analysis.

      What in Christ’s name are you attempting to construct an English utterance about? The only conceivable referent of “that reference” is this, which you were either too stupid or too lazy to put in your “Featured comment-reply!”

      There is something seriously fucking wrong with your brain, Lodwill. At best, this is some sort of internal speech in which the “ME RITE COMMENT” center had an exchange with the “WHAT SAY COMMENT?” unit and they forgot to get in touch with the “HOW PEOPEL MAKE TALK?” area before shooting things off to the “FINGERS MAKE TYPE” department.

      Jeezums, I can’t offhand decide whether you lend more support to the modern cognitive-theory remnants of Skinner or of Chomsky after this pratfall.

      • More crazed stupidity, Boris OOOgon? Try and stay on topic instead of supplying only more craziness and whack job attempts at your entirely deranged and bullshit analysis.

    • kellymbray

      If you want to criticize epidemiological studies you first have to be capable of fifth grade math. That is so not you Sudds. You actually have the ignorance and arrogance to criticize people who have spent decades working with concepts you could not even pronounce. During those same decades you were busy drinking, stealing children’s bikes, popping pills, and sitting in prison.

      • eggman2

        Don’t be stupid. He is not criticizing epidemiological data. He is criticizing people that are either too stupid or in the payroll of the junk medicine robber barons to either believe or lie about data, like you , your friends and the scientists that you use do.

      • It has NOTHING to do with math, as to the large picture of what is in front of you as to that analysis, Bray! Did you even read what was there. Of course not, and if you did, you then entirely ignored what was there. How about if you actually replied to that analysis information directly and in itself? In honesty you can not do it. You can’t in any honesty, so you subvert the attention away from it, to subject matters of complete irrelevance.

        • notation

          You can’t even explain the analyses you are posting, Bubbles. Why don’t YOU explain what it means? You’ve been challenged to do so repeatedly and you can’t. You’re an impotent little dweeb who doesn’t have the slightest idea what epidemiology involves.

          Of COURSE it relates to math. Dumbass.

          • Only a completely moronic imbecile would ask for studies to be read to them and interpreted. How actually mentally defective are you? And you do it largely deliberately and in your twisted dishonesty, to avoid these subject matters all together.

            This is the said analysis document we are currently talking about. Face it all those large numbers epidemiological studies were nothing but junk science and highly biased fraud.

            It no longer is nor relates to math and real numbers, when that math and the numbers were entirely fudged in their in denial of the vaccine harm and autism causation, favor. Junk science and manipulating the study numbers, is not math. Get it?

            http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

            • notation

              So you can’t do it. I knew you couldn’t.

  • Martin Smith

    Simple,facts.

    Population wide, for decades, over 80% of all measles cases occurred in the unvaccinated. In the latest outbreak over 90% of all cases have been in the unvaccinated.

    • The real data shows the opposite to be happening, Smith. Face it. With the actually low vaccine exemption rates, your claim would as well be impossible.

      • Martin Smith

        Been hitting the bottle again?

        Most of the 288 measles cases reported this year have been in persons who were unvaccinated (200 [69%]) or who had an unknown vaccination status (58 [20%]); 30 (10%) were in persons who were vaccinated. Among the 195 U.S. residents who had measles and were unvaccinated, 165 (85%) declined vaccination because of religious, philosophical, or personal objections, 11 (6%) were missed opportunities for vaccination, and10 (5%) were too young to receive vaccination (Figure).

        http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6322a4.htm?s_cid=mm6322a4_w

        • Martin Smith

          I know numbers are hard for you, but this data is completely what you would expect with the vaccine effectiveness.

          If you say otherwise maybe you could show us the mathematical proof showing how this would be impossible?

        • The CDC is LYING. They are never going to admit to any actual vaccine failures, and they are never going to tell you the entire story, nor as to that data. They have to much and everything to lose, period. Stop being an unwitting sheeple. Stop shilling for the needless vaccine injury and harm done.

          The Measles Vaccine Failure the U.S. Media is not Covering
          http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/the-measles-vaccine-failure-the-u-s-media-is-not-covering/

          Measles outbreaks occur even when the vaccinated population exceeds 95%

          “If you only risked your own health by not getting vaccinated, that would be your business,” mass vaccination advocates state. “But when your failure to get vaccinated endangers me or my child, that becomes my business.” It’s a powerful argument, except for one thing — herd immunity in vaccinated populations has been repeatedly disproven.

          Read more:
          http://business.financialpost.com/2014/06/19/junk-science-week-vaccinating-the-herd/?__federated=1​

          The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
          http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

          • Martin Smith

            Yep you mis still be drunk.

            Not just the CDC every health regulator in the world sees the same result with the mmr vaccine.

            Now as to yr claim the article says the vaccine isn’t working. Poland says quite clearly it is working. So even your own reference says the vaccine works. Poland says the vaccine may not be good enough for total eradication of the disease. He says the effectiveness is better than 90%. Other data show effectiveness (which is a different measure to efficacy) of over 95%

            So for you a vaccine working 90% of the time is a failure?

      • notation

        “The real data”? WHAT “real data”? Cite it. Where do you get this dreck?

  • eggman2

    Dogma, not based in nature , can not be called science, and it is stupid technology at its best.

    Such is the case with vaccines: a concoction of biohazardous material ( not found in nature ) in a soup of carcinogens ( not found in nature ). And such is the case with the process of vaccinations : the injection of that putrefactive and poisonous material under the skin. Neither of those are normal in nature.

    We are all exposed to microbes in our environment and create resistance with the food that we eat. That is the way that it is in nature. The food comes in trees, and it is covered by microbes. The animals, that eat the food, never wash it.

    The only real disruptors in modern life are chemicals. In Vietnam a plague was created by the use of ” agent orange and napalm ” , there was plenty of evidence to that. If you stand out in traffic with the smog and car exhaust, breathing freely that stuff, you will see that you get a sore throat. Exposure to chemicals ( like the ones found in vaccines and other junk medicines or petroleum products) debilitates the body, so disease can flourish. But the junk chemicals robber barons would have you believe that it is not so, because it cuts in their profits. But the junk chemicals robber barons are psychopaths that do not value life, not even their own. For a stupid buck, they will destroy the earth and everything in it, including themselves.

    • MattZuke

      “a concoction of biohazardous material ( not found in nature )”

      Not true. Pathogens are found in nature and formaldehyde is found in nature, as well as alum. Heck even MSG is found in nature. You’d have a bit of a point for attenuated pathogens and thimerosal which at least AFAIK are not found in nature.

      ” the injection of that putrefactive and poisonous material under the skin. Neither of those are normal in nature.”

      Actually you’d find that’s not the case. Every time you get stung, get a splinter, get cut, step on a sprouting tree, get bitten, fall down skin your knee you are exposing yourself to materials actually found in vaccines and pathogens. Pretty sure this is insanely natural.

      • eggman2

        The process of vaccination is not natural, it is as natural as you picking up with a spoon animal excrement and eating it.

        Secondly, ammonia is found in nature, but I want to see you pick up a bottle of it and drink it, you will die minutes later. That is because whatever junk there is in nature, is there in the right proportions, so as not to kill you right away. You are not allowed to add any to it without getting sick.

        Thirdly, we get all the viruses and bacteria that we need from nature. It is extremely stupid to inject them under the skin.

        • Boris Ogon

          That is because whatever junk there is in nature, is there in the right proportions

          Perhaps you should go live in “nature,” then. Find someplace with no cultivated plants and see how those magic proportions work out for you.

          • eggman2

            Boring Moron, my friend, whatever you say. Go to vaccineresistancemovement.org to learn some science in the meantime.

        • notation

          Jesus, you’re a moron. The depth of your stupidity never ceases to amaze me.

          I’d love to see you go live without any shelter, clothing, or any food that you didn’t find for yourself by foraging. Why don’t you try it? Go ahead, you gutless twit. The headlines would be a riot.

          • eggman2

            Another stupid and irrelevant comment showing how stupid you are.

        • notation

          Hey, dumbfuck, is a computer “natural”? Why are you using one, then?

          • eggman2

            Yours is a stupid and irrelevant comment. It shows how illogical you are.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      everything in vaccines is found in nature.

      • eggman2

        Like the poop in your last name. Have a glass of it, and eat it , too.

      • So, you are saying that if it exists in nature, that it is evidence enough and any such substance in nature is by that existence alone, proven as safe to inject in a vaccine? Would you volunteer then to have some boiled poison ivy water injected in your rear end? You know, to prove that claim? Yaa, vaccines are the most natural thing, ever. And you are dumb enough to actually believe that.

        How Vaccines Dysregulate The Immune System
        http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/how-vaccines-dysregulate-the-immune-system/

        Vaccinations Cause Chronic Immune SystemDysregulation
        http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

        An Immune Disorder at the Root of Autism

        So here’s the short of it: At least a subset of autism — perhaps one-third, and very likely more — looks like a type of inflammatory disease. And it begins in the womb. [No it does NOT, and that is not necessarily true, unless the mother has taken a Thimerosal containing flu vaccine, or such as an aluminum adjuvant containing DTaP vaccine. Much of thisdysregulation can clearly happen after birth, and of course infants are vaccinated, from birth.]

        It starts with what scientists call immunedysregulation. Ideally, your immune system should operate like an enlightened action hero, meting out inflammation precisely, accurately and with deadly force when necessary, but then quickly returning to a Zen-like calm. Doing so requires an optimal balance of pro- and anti-inflammatory muscle.

        In autistic individuals, the immune system fails at this balancing act. Inflammatory signals dominate. Anti-inflammatory ones are inadequate. A state of chronic activation prevails. And the more skewed toward inflammation, the more acute the autistic symptoms.

        Nowhere are the consequences of this dysregulationmore evident than in the autistic brain. Spidery cells that help maintain neurons — called astroglia and microglia — are enlarged from chronic activation. Pro-inflammatory signaling molecules abound. Genes involved in inflammation are switched on.

        These findings are important for many reasons, but perhaps the most noteworthy is that they provide evidence of an abnormal, continuing biological process. That means that there is finally a therapeutic target for a disorder defined by behavioral criteria like social impairments, difficulty communicating and repetitive behaviors.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

        A Mouse Model for the Immune Dysregulation Subtype of Autism, (And they would still claim to that there is no way vaccines have and can cause autism? That conclusion is of course clearly preposterous.)
        http://tacanowblog.com/2012/07/23/a-mouse-model-for-the-immune-dysregulation-subtype-of-autism/

        Vaccines and Autism, ADHD and Asthma
        Immunizations and the Immunocompromised

        “Yet, no doctor is trained to look for this type of immunodeficiency and/or the kind of immunedysregulation that multiple vaccine can cause; which lead to so called inflammatory syndromes and resulting overactivation of the brains microglia cells and resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation now ever more increasingly found in studies of those with autism. Vaccine aluminum adjuvants in several studies have been fund as well to in itself cause this stated inflammation.

        http://www.epidemicanswers.org/vaccines-and-autism-adhd-and-asthma/

        Immune Deficiencies

        Antibodies (or Immunoglobins)

        Concentrations of IL-12 and interferon gamma are much higher in the blood of children with autism than in normal children, indicating an immune activation, possibly due to adverse vaccine reactions. An optimal immune response to Candida infections necessitates a finely tuned balance of interferon gamma production; the dysregulation of the immune system, caused by IL-12-induced increases in gamma interferon, leads to increased Candida susceptibility in animals.

        Read more:

        http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/immunedeficiencies.asp

        The immune response in autism: a new frontier for autism research

        Immune aberrations consistent with a dysregulated immune response, which so far, have been reported in autistic children, include abnormal or skewed T helper cell type 1 (TH1)/TH2 cytokine profiles, decreased lymphocyte numbers, decreased T cell mitogen response, and the imbalance of serum immunoglobulin levels. In addition, autism has been linked with autoimmunity and an association with immune-based genes including human leukocyte antigen (HLA)-DRB1 and complement C4 alleles described.

        Read more:
        http://www.jleukbio.org/content/80/1/1.long

        Study links vaccine induced immune overload to autism, diabetes, obesity

        A new vaccine study published in Molecular and Genetic Medicine is bringing to the forefront the disturbing connection between the dramatic expansion in the quantity of routine childhoodvaccines administered and a corresponding increase in inflammation-associated disorders.

        Titled, “Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases,” the study argues that vaccine-induced immune overload is a driving factor in a number of rapidly accelerating childhood epidemics including:

        Autism

        Type 1 diabetes

        Asthma

        Food allergies

        Many autoimmune diseases

        Obesity

        Type 2 diabetes

        Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFL)

        Metabolic disease.

        http://www.sott.net/article/279911-Study-links-vaccine-induced-immune-overload-to-autism-diabetes-obesity

        http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_30175.cfm

        Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases

        Abstract Background: Epidemics of type 1 diabetes had been linked to inflammation. Previous reports have suggested the prevalence of autism is increased in patients with type 1diabetes.

        Methods: Medline and Google searches were performed in late 2010 to find a country where there was simulta-neous data on the incidence or prevalence of type 1 diabetes, type 2 diabetes and autism in multiple different races. The association between prevalence of autism in children and the incidence of type 1 diabetes or type 2 diabetes in children, when stratified by race, was studied.

        Results: The prevalence of autism has a statistically significant positive association with the incidence of type 1 diabetes but has a statistically significant inverse association with type 2 diabetes.

        Conclusion: This suggests that patients with autoimmune autism likely represent a large subset of patients with autism and that the etiology of the epidemic of autoimmune/inflammation mediated autism in children is likely to be related to the etiology of the simultaneous epidemic of type 1 diabetes in children.

        http://www.omicsonline.com/open-access/vaccine-induced-immune-overload-and-the-resulting-epidemics-of-type-diabetes-and-metabolic-syndrome-1747-0862.S1-025.php?aid=24058

        Autoimmune Disorders Caused by Vaccines
        http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/autoimmune-disorders-caused-by-vaccines/

        Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

        Conclusions/Significance

        Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.

        http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0008382

        How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences

        http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

        Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
        http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

        Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
        How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
        http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

        Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
        http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

        Warning to Pregnant Mothers – Toxic Dose of Aluminum in the Tdap
        Paul Thomas, Pediatrician

        Aluminum in Vaccines | A Pediatricians Warning To All Parents

      • So, you are saying that if it exists in nature, that it is evidence enough and any such substance in nature is by that existence alone, proven as safe to inject in a vaccine? Would you volunteer then to have some boiled poison ivy water injected in your rear end? You know, to prove that claim? Yaa, vaccines are the most natural thing, ever. And you are dumb enough to actually believe that.

        How Vaccines Dysregulate The Immune System
        http://gdsajj.wordpress.com/2011/08/05/how-vaccines-dysregulate-the-immune-system/

        Vaccinations Cause Chronic Immune SystemDysregulation
        http://www.liveto110.com/vaccinations-cause-chronic-immune-system-dysregulation/

        An Immune Disorder at the Root of Autism

        So here’s the short of it: At least a subset of autism — perhaps one-third, and very likely more — looks like a type of inflammatory disease. And it begins in the womb. [No it does NOT, and that is not necessarily true, unless the mother has taken a Thimerosal containing flu vaccine, or such as an aluminum adjuvant containing DTaP vaccine. Much of thisdysregulation can clearly happen after birth, and of course infants are vaccinated, from birth.]

        It starts with what scientists call immunedysregulation. Ideally, your immune system should operate like an enlightened action hero, meting out inflammation precisely, accurately and with deadly force when necessary, but then quickly returning to a Zen-like calm. Doing so requires an optimal balance of pro- and anti-inflammatory muscle.

        In autistic individuals, the immune system fails at this balancing act. Inflammatory signals dominate. Anti-inflammatory ones are inadequate. A state of chronic activation prevails. And the more skewed toward inflammation, the more acute the autistic symptoms.

        Nowhere are the consequences of this dysregulationmore evident than in the autistic brain. Spidery cells that help maintain neurons — called astroglia and microglia — are enlarged from chronic activation. Pro-inflammatory signaling molecules abound. Genes involved in inflammation are switched on.

        These findings are important for many reasons, but perhaps the most noteworthy is that they provide evidence of an abnormal, continuing biological process. That means that there is finally a therapeutic target for a disorder defined by behavioral criteria like social impairments, difficulty communicating and repetitive behaviors.

        http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/opinion/sunday/immune-disorders-and-autism.html/?pagewanted=all&_r=0

        A Mouse Model for the Immune Dysregulation Subtype of Autism, (And they would still claim to that there is no way vaccines have and can cause autism? That conclusion is of course clearly preposterous.)
        http://tacanowblog.com/2012/07/23/a-mouse-model-for-the-immune-dysregulation-subtype-of-autism/

        Vaccines and Autism, ADHD and Asthma
        Immunizations and the Immunocompromised

        “Yet, no doctor is trained to look for this type of immunodeficiency and/or the kind of immunedysregulation that multiple vaccine can cause; which lead to so called inflammatory syndromes and resulting overactivation of the brains microglia cells and resulting chronic levels of brain inflammation now ever more increasingly found in studies of those with autism. Vaccine aluminum adjuvants in several studies have been fund as well to in itself cause this stated inflammation.

        http://www.epidemicanswers.org/vaccines-and-autism-adhd-and-asthma/

        Immune Deficiencies

        Antibodies (or Immunoglobins)

        Concentrations of IL-12 and interferon gamma are much higher in the blood of children with autism than in normal children, indicating an immune activation, possibly due to adverse vaccine reactions. An optimal immune response to Candida infections necessitates a finely tuned balance of interferon gamma production; the dysregulation of the immune system, caused by IL-12-induced increases in gamma interferon, leads to increased Candida susceptibility in animals.

        Read more:

        http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/immunedeficiencies.asp

        The immune response in autism: a new frontier for autism research

        Immune aberrations consistent with a dysregulated immune response, which so far, have been reported in autistic children, include abnormal or skewed T helper cell type 1 (TH1)/TH2 cytokine profiles, decreased lymphocyte numbers, decreased T cell mitogen response, and the imbalance of serum immunoglobulin levels. In addition, autism has been linked with autoimmunity and an association with immune-based genes including human leukocyte antigen (HLA)-DRB1 and complement C4 alleles described.

        Read more:
        http://www.jleukbio.org/content/80/1/1.long

        Study links vaccine induced immune overload to autism, diabetes, obesity

        A new vaccine study published in Molecular and Genetic Medicine is bringing to the forefront the disturbing connection between the dramatic expansion in the quantity of routine childhoodvaccines administered and a corresponding increase in inflammation-associated disorders.

        Titled, “Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases,” the study argues that vaccine-induced immune overload is a driving factor in a number of rapidly accelerating childhood epidemics including:

        Autism

        Type 1 diabetes

        Asthma

        Food allergies

        Many autoimmune diseases

        Obesity

        Type 2 diabetes

        Non-alcoholic fatty liver disease (NAFL)

        Metabolic disease.

        http://www.sott.net/article/279911-Study-links-vaccine-induced-immune-overload-to-autism-diabetes-obesity

        http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_30175.cfm

        Review of Vaccine Induced Immune Overload and the Resulting Epidemics of Type 1 Diabetes and Metabolic Syndrome, Emphasis on Explaining the Recent Accelerations in the Risk of Prediabetes and other Immune Mediated Diseases

        Abstract Background: Epidemics of type 1 diabetes had been linked to inflammation. Previous reports have suggested the prevalence of autism is increased in patients with type 1diabetes.

        Methods: Medline and Google searches were performed in late 2010 to find a country where there was simulta-neous data on the incidence or prevalence of type 1 diabetes, type 2 diabetes and autism in multiple different races. The association between prevalence of autism in children and the incidence of type 1 diabetes or type 2 diabetes in children, when stratified by race, was studied.

        Results: The prevalence of autism has a statistically significant positive association with the incidence of type 1 diabetes but has a statistically significant inverse association with type 2 diabetes.

        Conclusion: This suggests that patients with autoimmune autism likely represent a large subset of patients with autism and that the etiology of the epidemic of autoimmune/inflammation mediated autism in children is likely to be related to the etiology of the simultaneous epidemic of type 1 diabetes in children.

        http://www.omicsonline.com/open-access/vaccine-induced-immune-overload-and-the-resulting-epidemics-of-type-diabetes-and-metabolic-syndrome-1747-0862.S1-025.php?aid=24058

        Autoimmune Disorders Caused by Vaccines
        http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/autoimmune-disorders-caused-by-vaccines/

        Self-Organized Criticality Theory of Autoimmunity

        Conclusions/Significance

        Systemic autoimmunity appears to be the inevitable consequence of over-stimulating the host’s immune ‘system’ by repeated immunization with antigen, to the levels that surpass system’s self-organized criticality.

        http://www.plosone.org/article/info:doi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0008382

        How Do Vaccines Work? Immune Mechanisms and Consequences

        http://pathwaystofamilywellness.org/component/option,com_crossjoomlaarticlemanager/Itemid,375/aid,1369/view,crossjoomlaarticlemanager/#sthash.rkJSugBv.dpuf

        Your Immune System, How It Works And How Vaccines Damage It
        http://www.vaccineriskawareness.com/Your-Immune-System-How-It-Works-And-How-Vaccines-Damage-It

        Anatomy and Physiology of the Immune System, Part 4
        How pharmaceuticals destroy nature
        http://jonbarron.org/article/anatomy-and-physiology-immune-system-part-4#.UwH0pvldXbY

        Understanding immunity requires more than immunology
        http://www.nature.com/ni/journal/v11/n7/full/ni0710-561.html

        • notation

          You stupid ass. Read what the egg-yolk wrote, dumbbell. He is claiming that vaccines are “unnatural.”

          My God, you are truly an idiot.

          • If you can not wrap your bananas and jello filled mind around the truth, concept, and reality of the fact that vaccines are highly unnatural, then you are the obvious idiot. How much would it take. Nothing would be enough, would it. Who ever hired you as a vaccine shill should fire you for your obvious failures at even holding so much as a single rationally coherent thought. .

            • notation

              Of course they aren’t “unnatural.” They contain ingredients found in nature. Prove otherwise, honey.

              You can continue to look like an idiot and bellow and blather all you want, or you can cite credible evidence to back up your claims.

              You can continue to look like a moron and spew your hatred and venom all you wish, or you can explain what the “studies” you’ve cited mean.

              I await your decision as to what you will do.

              I can guess the outcome.

            • Prove otherwise? You sick, twisted, dim witted, and evil denialist, twit. Reality check. It is you that not only looks like a moron, but remains existing as one, no personal identity and no balls notation.

              There is NO hatred and venom, only yours. Only the truth comes from this person right here. You create all the rest of it as you plunder and intentionally create.

              And all the nasty and vile crap that vaccines are grown and developed in; is that all natural too? Are you a monkey, sheep, cow, calf, or a mouse? How about are you another human being, where its simply ok to inject short and long chain DNA from an aborted fetus, (human diploid tissue)? Dumb. And so absolutely non scientific as to the field of real health care.

              Vaccine Ingredients
              http://novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/

              Vaccine Ingredients — A Comprehensive Guide
              http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/

              Vaccine Contamination.
              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-contamination.html

              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

              http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

              Vaccines’ Dark Inferno
              What is not on insert labels?
              http://www.globalresearch.ca/vaccines-dark-inferno/15452

            • notation

              So a guy who can’t figure out the difference between “your” and “you’re,” who barely managed to get through high school, who can’t even explain a single study, is better qualified to tell everyone about vaccines than doctors and scientists who’ve attained advanced degrees and devoted their lives to studying vaccines?

              Yeah, sure, Bubbles. We’re all going to listen to a drunk who couldn’t even get into a community college tell us all about medicine.

            • notation
            • All that is even though put forth in Canada, is just more allopathic mainstream denial, All countries are based in same big pharma protocols, control of information, and in presenting with the same false information. The same set of misleading claims, and with no evidence nor proof for anything they have put forth. No proof of anything that has not been the actual facts and historical facts of the matter refuted repeatedly. You simply ignore and refuse the evidence of that. You simply refuse reality all together, period.

            • notation

              Of course it’s evidence. You just don’t like what it shows.

              Explain one of your studies, Bubbles. Go on, man up. Grow a set. Prove you can do it. Show everyone you’re just as smart as all those scientists.

              We’re waiting.

      • eggman2

        Bullshit, Poop you are full of it–no pun intended.

        • Sullivan ThePoop

          No, it is true whether you want to believe it or not

          • eggman2

            Okay , you are playing with your bullshit semantics. Each and every element of it could be found in nature, but it is never found in those proportions or as a unit. There are no vaccine vials and syringes in nature.

            If someone would inject shit in your veins, that would not be natural. Yet shit is found in nature.

            • notation

              Idiot, there is nothing “unnatural” about vaccines. You’re dumb as a box of turds.

            • eggman2

              GOOD, YOUR ASSHOLENESS, then make a habit of throwing the fucking mixture down your throat because everything natural is good for you. But you would not do it because you are another bullshiter

            • notation

              You’re the one who claims that “all-natural” is good.

              What’s a “bullshiter”? Did you think shite was a word? Did you think a person who shits is a shiter?

              Yes, you probably did.

            • eggman2

              You dumb shit, in nature, when an animal injects something under the skin of another animal is to kill it. You, stupid vaccinators claim that injecting putrefactive material in a soup of carcinogens (vaccines ) is good for you.

              Well, after all ,you might be right in some sense because you are acting on the animal that you inject with the same results that the killing animals do have on their victims. Yes, you are imitating nature by killing and disabling people with injections.

              THERE YOU ARE; I HAVE GIVEN YOU SOME CREDIT. YOU SEE, AFTER ALL, I AM NOT THAT BAD.

            • notation

              You are uneducated, ignorant twit. You know absolutely nothing about vaccines, science, or medicine. The more you vomit all over this site, the more traffic it gets, but you’re so fucking stupid you don’t even realize that. With every asinine post, you reveal your complete lack of any intelligence whatsoever. You are a bona fide dolt.

            • notation

              “I AM NOT THAT BAD.” Compared to what?

              You’re an idiot. People live longer now than in any other time in human history. Measles, smallpox, polio, diphtheria, influenza — all of them used to kill millions. You are daft. Nobody could be as stupid as you are. I call Poe–you’re just a fake.

            • eggman2

              Stop talking to yourself, mentally deranged one. I know that you are stupid.

              People have been saved from those illnesses because of improvements in sanitation and food distribution that come with civilization.

              Only a stupid person like you would think that injecting ” putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens ” ( VACCINES) is good for you.

            • notation

              BOOOGA BOOOOGA BOOOGA!!! You’re gonna die no matter WHAT you do, you shitwit!

            • eggman2

              Yes, psychopathic witch, but only a stupid person–not unlike you–would go for your brand of medicine.

            • notation

              Hey, egghead, do animals use computers? Drive cars? Eat with utensils? Cook their food? Grow crops?

              Why do you? It’s not NACHERAL!

            • eggman2

              You, stupid BROWN TOILET PAPER NOTATION, I have said that we have to imitate nature in order to survive. But, it is the epitome of cynicism to imitate nature in its killing ability, and call it medicine. And, it is the epitome of stupidity to believe that one can be protected by such a thing.

            • notation

              Still haven’t quite figured out that people live longer and healthier lives than they did 100 years ago, have you?

              Still don’t understand how vaccines work to prevent diseases, have you?

              That’s okay, you can’t even figure out how to use commas. You’re a fuckwit.

            • eggman2

              You FUCKING SHIT BROWN TOILET PAPER NOTATION, don’t you understand that people live longer today because they live in the protected environment of houses with no wild animals running around to eat them. You are extremely stupid, if you don’t know that.

              Eskimo still live to the ripe old age of 30 because their environment is not that protective, eventhough they get their free vaccines from their respective governments of Denmark , US, and Canada.

              And the stupid people like you that don’t live that long in this country is because they pick up a nasty habit like smoking or drinking alcohol.

            • notation

              So people didn’t have houses in 1900? They were being eaten by bears in NYC back then? Do tell. You’re incredibly uneducated if you think that millions of people didn’t die of diseases. Why don’t you know that? The year before the measles vaccine became available, 450 people died of measles in the US. That was in 1963. Did you think there were “wild animals running around to eat them”? That they lived in caves or tents? Jesus, you’re a moron.

              You can’t even manage to read statistics, you muttonhead. Look up the death rates, life expectancy, causes of death in 1900. Get back to me if you have trouble with the 3-syllable words.

              “Eskimo live to the ripe old age of 30 because their environment…blah, blah, more shit”? Here, you fucked-up putz: http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2013/12/18/inuit_life_expectancy_lags_as_rest_of_canada_living_longer.html

              You’re delusional.

            • eggman2

              What a stupid asshole you are. There were fishes , worms, and amoebas, to say the least, coming out of the tap water in the 1900s. Everything requires real scientific work and not stupidity like vaccines or your favorite Caesarean section.

              You fucking asshole, in 1900 to 1963 to, even fucking today, stupid people like you ate all kind of trash. Do you think that that doesn’t affect your immunity?

              I know some stupid people probably feel sad that I am putting down their Caesarean and their trash food, but take no prisoners, You must realize how stupid you are before you can be saved, in the same way that you have to know that you are a sinner in order to be saved.

            • notation

              You are full of crap. You have no fucking clue what you’re talking about. In 1963, are you seriously going to claim that clean drinking water was RARE? You moron, you are so stupid it sits on you like a second skin.

            • eggman2

              Stupid jerk, I didn’t say that the water wasn’t purified in 1963. But even then, it was purified with chlorine , and that lowers your immunity, too.

            • notation
            • eggman2

              I already wrote something for you but skeptiCRAPtor deleted it for no reason. I didn’t say any new dirty words, and dirty words are not a problem here. Well I must be being censored by the junk medicine robber barons and their lackeys, for I hit the subject matter right in the nail.

            • notation

              “Real scientific work.” That’s a hoot. You wouldn’t know what “real scientific” research was if it walked up and licked your left nut.

              Your idiotic vomit about wild animals “not needing vaccines” is truly hilarious. Did you read about what has happened to whole populations of wild animals as a result of viruses? Do you know why we vaccinate people and domesticated animals? To keep them from dying, moron. You seem to be completely unable to figure out how vaccines prevent disease. It’s not THAT hard to grasp. You’re just too pigheaded to learn about it. You are right about one thing: nobody will ever convince you because you’re a dolt who’s incapable of understanding science and incapable of learning anything.

              No wonder you’re out of work and living on public assistance. Who’d hire you? For what?

            • eggman2

              You fucking stupid bullshitter, there is no more wilderness , you asshole, so don’t talk about wild animals.

              There is no proof that vaccines work, but there is proof that they cause a lot of harm.

            • notation

              So your contention is that everybody who got the measles, pertussis, varicella, diphtheria, and influenza is only sick because they eat poorly? Are you really going to pretend that only kids who are malnourished get measles? Do you realize that if a child isn’t vaccinated for the measles and is around someone who has it, there’s a 90% chance he/she will be infected? It doesn’t MATTER how well-nourished the kid is–the incidence of measles did not diminish until the vaccine was developed. Deaths did because medical care had improved, but the incidence of the disease did NOT decrease significantly until the vaccine was available. It’s fact, not some fairy-tale, dumbass.

              Seriously, how can anyone be as fucking stupid as you are?

            • eggman2

              Dumb piece of shit, I told you to go to vaccineresitancemovement.com , for you are so fucking ignorant, or you pretend to be, to kiss the ass of your junk medicine robber barons handlers.

            • eggman2

              There you go bullshitting again. ” There is a 90% chance he/she will be infected.”, you say. Bullshit, maybe in the the general stupid ( like you ) junk eating population. But you, and all the other stupid vaccinators, never account for the differences in peoples lives. That is not an experiment. Those are not even experimental conditions. And all that makes irrelevant any data that you want to derive from it, you asshole.

              ” It doesn’t matter how well nourished the kid is. “, what a stupid statement–it is typical of you.
              Yes it does matter, asshole.

            • notation

              I’d love to see “fishes” coming out of someone’s tap…that must have been quite a bender you went on last night, muttonhead.

            • notation

              I want to see some links that show there were “fishes and worms” coming out of the tap water in the 1900s. Which PART of the 1900s? 1990? 1956? 1945? When did this occur, exactly?

            • notation

              Still trying to find those “fishes and worms” that were in the tap water in 1963, are you?

            • eggman2

              Hey, piece of shit propagandist, in the early 1900 you could even find horse shit in the water ; by 1963 it was already cleaner.

              Get your facts straight.

            • eggman2

              Asshole, I wasn’t talking about the used to be Eskimos that now live under welfare in public housing. I was talking about the real Eskimos that still practice their natural way of living: fighting orcas and polar bears.

            • eggman2

              Do you have wild animals that could eat you alive in your neighborhood? Could I get so lucky?

              450 people died of measles in the US in 1963 ! That is too little. In 1963, there were millions of people as stupid and ignorant ,as you, about nutrition. If only 450 died of measles induced by malnutrition, that means that vaccines were never needed , and never will be needed.

              Stupid, I already told you that in 1900 there were very unsanitary living conditions; couple that with malnutrition, and not even you can say that is healthy.

              And asshole, I could not possibly be speaking about Eskimos receiving Canadian welfare and living in Canadian subsidized housing. The traditional Eskimos, that live fighting orcas and polar bears, live to a ripe old age of 30 years old.

            • notation

              So people didn’t die of diseases, but only from exposure and wild animals eating them? In the late 1800s? Really? In New York? Philadelphia?

              That brown LSD is bad, man. Don’t do drugs.

            • notation

              http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/080123/dq080123d-eng.htm

              “In 1991, life expectancy in the Inuit-inhabited areas was about 68 years, 10 years less than for Canada as a whole. From 1991 to 2001, life expectancy in the Inuit-inhabited areas did not increase, although life expectancy rose by about two years for Canada overall.”

              So they live more than twice as long as you claim they do.

              Good going, shitwit.

            • eggman2

              You stupid shit, stop lying. To take 16 pills a day is not healthy; there are many people in this country with that predicament. This country is number one in the number of first day infant deaths, and is number 37 , right behind a backward country like Honduras,in other children’s deaths. And this is supposed to be the number one country in technology, you asshole.

              Vaccines cannot prevent shit. It is probably because of vaccines that you are so stupid. My friend from Kenya, a newswoman, says that many people in her country are limping from the leg where they got the vaccine injected–muscle damage, you asshole.

              You brag about placing commas, but you can’t place shit in your head devoid of knowledge, you asshole.

            • notation

              No, it isn’t. You are wrong. The US infant mortality rate is NOT by any stretch “number one,” you lying little sack of excrement. You have no idea what you’re talking about, as usual.

              You don’t even know how infant mortality is calculated, do you? Look it up, asshole.

              I notice you can’t cite any evidence for your asinine claims. What else is new? Every piece of shit post you write is pulled straight out of your anus. You know, it’s that hole right under your nose.

            • eggman2

              Yes it is. The US IS NUMBER ONE IN MORTALITY ON THE FIRST DAY OF BIRTH. I read it somewhere. Do your research, lazy piece of shit.

            • notation

              Of course vaccines prevent disease. That’s why we no longer have polio here. That’s how smallpox was eradicated. Only a delusional asshole or a Poe could possibly make such an idiotic statement. And of course, as usual you piss this nonsense out with NO supporting citations, NO valid evidence, NO studies, nothing but your worthless say-so. You’re a liar and an imbecile. Everyone knows it but you. That’s why you’re laughed off every website you try to use. That’s why the only up votes you ever get are from brain-dead dolts like sabelmouseturd and spaz no-sense.

              I see you’ve been completely unable to refute a single thing I’ve posted with ANY studies or statistics whatsoever. You are not even able to present a coherent argument because you don’t know what the FUCK you are talking about.

              Don’t even bother responding. You’re a waste of space, time, and oxygen.

              And you don’t have any “friends” in Kenya or anywhere else, unless they’re as stupid and ignorant as you are.

            • eggman2

              You stupid piece of shit. I was watching a website that has a lot of graphs, one for each disease, and it shows how the junk medicine robber barons cut the graphs to show only when the vaccine was introduced as the point where the disease started to go down, when in reality the disease was disappearing before the vaccine. Typical propaganda technique, just like you are a typical propaganda bullshitter.

              Look for real information and research, you lazy piece of shit.

              On top of that, don’t give no bullshit, no disease has disappeared from the face of the earth because of vaccines. They are all there , and sometimes you hear of a resurgence in the news.

            • notation

              Fuck you and your mother.

            • eggman2

              Stupid psychopathic witch, you have already been told that 100 years ago there were no good sanitary conditions and stupid people like you didn’t know nutrition.

              It has also been explained to you many fucking times that vaccines don’t work.

              Shove your comas up your ass.

            • notation

              No, it isn’t. It’s a fact. Vaccines work. They are the main reason people now live longer lives by decades than they did only a few generations ago. There’s not a thing that is “stupid” about them, and anyone with a modicum of education knows that. People like you are just insane. Or stupid. Or both. With you–it’s both.

            • notation

              Do you even have any idea what “putrefactive” means, or do you just like chanting it to yourself while you’re trying to have a bowel movement?

            • eggman2

              What an asshole you are. Typical junk medicine robber baron’s lackey.

            • notation

              There are no computers in nature, either, dink, so you should stop using them.

          • eggman2

            You know, the best example is alcohol . ( I hate to do this because I don’t have patience to teach,, but, with retarded people, one has to explain things very well ) Inject yourself with natural alcohol ( or ethanol ) and you will die very fast by damaging the tissues that are coming in contact with the alcohol and your brain being bathed by it, also. Death might be instant. But if you drink the same amount of alcohol, you will be intoxicating yourself more slowly. You will be killing yourself in a matter of years, a lot longer than injecting it.

            You see, vaccines have in them substances like ethanol, that are toxic , even if they come from nature. To inject them is the most stupid thing you can do. Because they cause even more damage than by drinking them. But then, like alcohol, it is better not to fool with them.

            • Sullivan ThePoop

              You are so lost it is comical. I had to flag your post because the r word is offensive. You should take a class so you stop being a confident idiot because nothing you wrote is true.

            • eggman2

              So sorry, but that is the way I react when I am confronted with stupid people that can not even think In an elementary logic way.

              It is cowardly to say ” nothing you wrote is true ” while avoiding any further discussion by not pointing out all objections.

      • eggman2

        Nothing in vaccines is found in nature. You are full of it, Mr. Poop.

    • notation

      You wouldn’t know science if it walked up and kicked you, you moron.

      • eggman2

        Sure, whatever you say. Go get your glass of good wholesome ” putrefactive material in a soup of carcinogens ” ( vaccines ) , that you claim will make you healthier, and drink it all up. ( I want to puke ) And then just shut up and enjoy the after effects.

  • eggman2

    Monday, August 4, 2014 : in the radio program ” GROUND ZERO ” , host Clyde Lewis put a recording of Bill Gates speaking before an audience and mentioning vaccines as a way to reduce the population of the world.

    Well, disabled people, like the victims of vaccines, are less able to have a normal life and procreate. Also carcinogens are mutagens, too, they must mess up the genes , so the progeny suffers chromosomal damage and is less able to survive.

    Interesting, if you are not stupid and listen closely, you are able to get real information and not the crap of sites like this.

    • MattZuke

      This is pretty disturbing. Polio kills and maims children. You support polio then?

      This is one of those cases citation needed. I’m pretty sure this is taken way out of context.

      • eggman2

        The incidence of polio is said to have started with the introduction of penicillin. Penicillin destroys the good bacteria in the digestive tract, making it easier for the virus to take a hold. Also, malnutrition can do that. So eat right, and build up the natural defenses.

        There is no evidence that vaccines are good for anything. The eskimo live to a ripe old age of 30 , and they get all of the vaccines because they live in welfare states like USA, Canada, Denmark, … etc. But one thing the Eskimo don’t have is an easy life. We eased everyone’s life with indoor plumbing , central heating, … etc. Stupid vaccines only add to the problem.

        Read ” Dr. Mary’s Monkey ” . The author says that the vaccine for polio was contaminated with a virus that causes cancer.

        • Boris Ogon

          The incidence of polio is said to have started with the introduction of penicillin.

          Penicillin was introduced in 1944, you fuckwit. Epidemic polio well precedes it. You know what spurred this? Sanitation.

          • eggman2

            But the big epidemic started with penicillin because it weakens the strength and numbers of intestinal flora.

            • notation

              He just SHOWED you that it didn’t, you ass.

            • eggman2

              Keep your ass out of this, and drink your glass of ” putrefactive material in a soup of carcinogens ” ( vaccines ).

            • notation

              You can’t read, can you?

              Move your lips if it helps, eggo.

            • Boris Ogon

              But the big epidemic started with penicillin because it weakens the strength and numbers of intestinal flora.

              OK, so your, ah, “tactical retreat posture” is simply to assert that all of a sudden, everybody was being administered penicillin?

            • eggman2

              Don’t be stupid; I never retreat. I was giving you the details.

            • Boris Ogon

              Don’t be stupid; I never retreat.

              Whatever, Custer. Get back to me when you actually manage to figure out what I wrote.

            • eggman2

              Okay , Boring Moron, ( Was that your name? I forget.) Whatever you say.

          • eggman2

            Boring Moron ( I like to address people properly with first and last name. ) , the guy on the radio said that, with the invention of penicillin, that is where the upsurge occurred.

            The virus could have been as old as the earth, for all we care.

            • Boris Ogon

              I like to address people properly with first and last name.

              Given that you apparently also like to do so two months after the fact, I suspect that you may be exhibiting signs of some sort of acute socionutritional deficiency.

        • notation

          What a load of manure. “The incidence of polio is SAID to have started with the introduction of penicillin”? “SAID” by whom? Cite your source of this “information,” please. Thanks in advance.

          “So eat right, and build up the natural defenses.” Are you fucking serious? Do you really believe that all the people who contracted polio were “malnourished”?

          You are extremely ignorant, egg-yolk. You rival Bubbles in your incredible stupidity. It’s just amazing that anyone could be so dumb.

          • eggman2

            I don’t believe that you even know how to eat right with your malfunctioning brain.

            Most people in the world probably do not know how to eat right. I have not met one that eats perfectly well, yet.

            If you don’t think that malnutrition affects health, you are really stupid.

            Look at the supermarket, what percentage of it is real food ? Not very much, of course.

            • notation

              If people are all eating so poorly, then why are there more of them now than in any other time in history? If they’re all malnourished, why are they living longer than ever before? If you eat “perfectly,” and your idiocy is the result, then thank goodness nobody else does so.

            • eggman2

              You and your stupid reasoning can not figure that one out. You don’t need good nutrition to have sex. If that was the case, where would you be with a junk food eating mother. ( judging by your line of thinking )

              Do you think that rats in a sewer, with all the bad nutrition down there , don’t procreate ?

            • notation

              You are a complete lunatic.

            • eggman2

              Better than being a complete idiot, like you.

            • notation

              You’re really butthurt, aren’t you, little fella?

            • eggman2

              It is really boring when I give you a specific answer and you give me an unrelated one. I will not answer if you do that again.

            • notation

              Aww, promises, promises. You ARE really butt-hurt, aren’t you?

              You haven’t given an answer to a single question that didn’t consist of complete and utter drivel, you little turd.

            • notation

              Are you sticking to your word, egg-yolk? Promise me you will not answer me ever again, honey! I am thrilled to find that there’s a “vaccine” against your idiocy! All I have to do is imitate you! You can’t provide any “specific answers” to a single thing you’ve been asked. You vomit up nothing but complete and utter nonsense that would make a high school senior guffaw at your ignorance.

              You are simply a nincompoop and a crackpot who never took a science class in his life. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You don’t understand vaccines. You don’t understand disease. You don’t know a thing about history. You think that Google U. is a substitute for an actual education and believe every conspiracy theory you see.

              You’re the dumbest of the dumb, with the exception of Bubbles the drunk.

              I’m betting your progeny, if they even exist, are completely embarrassed by you. They should be, but they’re probably just as stupid as you are.

            • eggman2

              Don’t be stupid ,
              TOILET PAPER NOTATION, there is your imaginary bullshit that you call CONSPIRACY THEORY. And there is your real stuff that I call CONSPIRACY LAW. There is only one element present in CONSPIRACY LAW that makes all the difference: money. Yes, you add money and it is a law that there is a conspiracy.

              The junk medicine robber barons spend a lot of money, time and effort to defend their stupid theories.

            • notation

              Still an imbecile, I see.

            • notation

              You can’t even spell “imaginary” and you wonder why I laugh at you. You don’t have a single iota of evidence that vaccines are “dangerous,” or that simply because a company makes a profit it must be corrupt.

              Do you earn money, eggwhite? Doing what, exactly?

            • eggman2

              Says the psychopathic prostituted to the junk medicine robber barons dominatrix.

            • notation

              Poor little boy.

  • eggman2

    Matt Sucker, Ogon the Moron, SkeptiCRAPtor, and toilet paper notation are all thinkers of the quality of the movie “DUMB AND DUMBER”. I can see them having their own movie. Jim Carrey get out of the way! Hollywood, here come the naturals ! Natural talent, indeed !

    • MattZuke

      Last I checked Jim Carrey was anti vaccine which makes your statement a little ironic.

      • Sullivan ThePoop

        Every day is opposite day in antivaxxer world.

      • eggman2

        What a stupid comment ! More power to him. I said that you are naturals not him.

        • notation

          “You are naturals not him.”

          Do you ever use your head for anything but a rack for your toupee?

          • eggman2

            I don’t need one, but I know a girl that needs one because she drinks too much and makes her hair fall. Are you like that ?

            • notation

              No. Drinking doesn’t make anyone’s hair fall, you dolt. It does, however, damage your brain. Is that what happened to you, you fucking moron?

  • eggman2

    One thing that is very irksome to me is the inability of junk medicine idiots (JMI : some people that believe in modern medicine like it is their religion ) to ever see any cause and effect on any human experience. They never see that right after a kid gets vaccinated is when they get sick and and their personality or health status changes. They never see that after the individual starts cancer treatment is when his/her health suffers.

    That is so pervasive, that I wonder that if I step on a JMI’s toes, if he/she will ever associate the pain with my stepping on them. That is how stupid they seem to be. And because I can’t imagine someone being so stupid, I can only believe that they must be getting paid good money to appear or act that stupid.

    • notation

      Perhaps you will now explain why it is that MILLIONS of children are vaccinated all over the world and NEVER have a single adverse reaction whatsoever, egg-head.

      And maybe pigs will fly out of your anus singing the “Hallelujah Chorus,” too. About as likely, you nitwit.

      • eggman2

        Cancer takes years to develop. And I had to tell you that?

        If you think that putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens is good for you, why don’t you have a glass of it with your meals every day ? Who is the moron here ? I don’t like that, you do.

        • Boris Ogon

          Cancer takes years to develop.

          Somebody ought to tell “cancer” that.

          • notation

            Don’t you love it? “One thing is very irksome to me…”

            One can only imagine how many people finish that sentence with “and it’s assholes like egg man.”

            • eggman2

              and it is assholes like toilet paper notation. That is the proper name, and it goes well with asshole.

            • MattZuke

              “it is assholes like toilet paper”

              I’m pretty sure my asshole doesn’t “like” toilet paper. But it likes being clean.

            • notation

              I’ll bet egg-yolk’s asshole is disgustingly foul.

            • eggman2

              And you are so clean and good. Good for scraping my shoes when I step accidentally on it while walking on the sidewalks.

            • notation

              You didn’t understand what Boris cited, did you?

              You really are incredibly stupid. It’s truly astounding that you are even capable of earning sufficient income to allow you to pay for electricity to run a computer.

              I suspect you’re living off someone else’s efforts.

              You’re too stupid to make a living on your own abilities.

            • eggman2

              You mean Ogon the Moron like you.

            • eggman2

              The stupid is you, if you are not getting paid and you go through all this effort of promoting all the stupid junk medicine robber barons disinformation.

              And of course, it would be worst if you really believe all your bullshit.

            • notation

              I believe it because it’s true and the people like you who don’t believe are assholes–like you.

        • notation

          No, it doesn’t.

          Now explain why millions and millions of people all over the planet get vaccinated all the time, and never have a single adverse reaction.

          Get on with it, you fucking idiot. Why is it that millions and millions of people aren’t dropping dead of your alleged “biohazards soup of carcinogens” every fucking day?

          Those pigs aren’t singing yet, you clown.

          • eggman2

            Millions of people breathe car exhaust every day, suffer brain damage from it ( like you ) , but don’t drop dead, you stupid one.

            • MattZuke

              “Millions of people breathe car exhaust every day”

              True.

              “suffer brain damage from it ”

              So you concede the point. Car exhaust constitutes chronic exposure. Vaccines are isolated. Cars burn off like 2.4kilograms/hr in the city, even more during rush hour. Vaccines represent .5g of material of which micrograms of compounds plus the live/dead pathogens.

              Also pollution contributes to lung cancer which doesn’t take years to develop. I’m pretty sure we’re not smoking 3/5 vaccines/day.

        • Boris Ogon

          If you think that putrefactive biohazardous material

          Straight out of the “Natural Hygiene”/enema-hobby playbook, BTW.

          • eggman2

            You have a glass of it , like a good idiot, every day, okay.

        • Sullivan ThePoop

          You do drink a glass of aluminum everyday.

          • eggman2

            Poop, that was funny.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      No one believes in modern medicine like it is a religion. They are just better educated on the subject than you.

      • eggman2

        What a bull shit ! You see millions of people have died from modern medicine and you call stupid people ” better educated “.

      • eggman2

        You mean that they believe in the bullshit propaganda like if it was their religion, and you call that being educated.

        Well that is close to the idea , when I was little , that to be blindly obedient, was to be well educated. Hey, that was the idea in the Soviet Union. So, you are saying that , with modern junk medicine, things are not going that different here as from the Soviet Union.

        Yeah Doctors, the robber barons and stupid people want to make it a dictatorship.

        • Sullivan ThePoop

          No, that is not at all what I mean. To be a scientist is to never be blindly obedient. To think about thinks rationally is not to be blindly obedient. The problem is you think this is an issue of authority and you are very wrong. It is an issue of expertise.

        • notation

          More baloney.

          You’re free to die of a vpd if you choose. Go right ahead.

          • eggman2

            You shut up, and drink your ” putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens ” ( VACCINES). Hey idiot, thinking about it, do you know that it is even safer to drink poison than to inject it under your skin ? So I have been giving you better advice than what you give other people.

  • eggman2

    I got it : Matt Sucker, Ogon the Moron, , toilet paper notation, Skeptic Craptor , and company are all avatars created by some group working for the junk medicine robber barons in some computer lab. That is unlike Lowell Hubbs, Cia Parker, all the others and I , which are real people.

    That should be it; they are machines, because no real person would be stupid and wrong a 100% of the time. That is done on purpose to disinform and confuse people.

    That is why I have to call them psychopaths, because machines have no feelings.

    • notation

      You “have to”? What, are you compulsive? OCD?

      I have news for you, dear. I don’t work for anyone. I have no idea who any of your other “enemies” are.

      I’m not a “machine,” you stupid ass.

      Do you realize how psychotic you are?

      • eggman2

        You and your mama, whatever you say.

        Interesting, you are quick to respond, and it was not addressed at you. Obviously you work for them.

        • notation

          Did you think you were sending a letter, you loon? You are fucking nuts. You ought to be institutionalized. You’re a danger to yourself and anyone who’s near you. You aren’t even aware of reality.

          What the hell do you think you’re posting on? A private chat? What kind of idiot are you?

          • eggman2

            Drink your daily glass of carcinogens and shut up.

            • notation

              Fuuuuuuuck you.

              Ante up, you boneheaded asshole.

            • notation

              Come on, eggy. When are you going to cite the evidence that vaccines are the cause of cancer and that penicillin causes polio?

              Why didn’t you respond when Boris showed you that cancer does not, as you asserted, take “years to develop”?

              Do you not realize that the Hep B vaccine can help PREVENT liver cancer? That Gardasil can help prevent cervical cancer?

            • eggman2

              Drink your daily glass of vaccine carcinogens and shut up.

            • notation

              I notice you seem fixated on childbirth, eggoasswaffle. Why is that, given you won’t ever experience it, either directly or as a father?

              It is truly amusing to see your posts about the process. You seem most put out that nobody cares what you think about a process that will never affect you in any way, shape or form, either directly or indirectly.

              Do you wish you could give birth?

            • eggman2

              A lot of idiots thought that Cristoforo Colombo was wrong and did not care about what he had to say. But he proved them all wrong.

              Future generations will think that you are the wrong one, maybe they will even call you stupid.

              I am the eggman. They are the eggmen. …… goob goob joob

            • eggman2

              Are you trying to show again how stupid you are ? You do a good job at it.

            • notation

              So you DO wish you could experience the miracle of childbirth first-hand, do you?

            • eggman2

              There you are again: trying to prove your stupidity and being very successful at it.

            • eggman2

              There are no miracles in real life. But for you, that process would be as artificial as possible , and that would make you happy.

              Don’t pretend that you don’t know that I am a man.
              If I were a woman with your beliefs, I would rather become a nun.

            • notation

              Don’t reproduce. The world doesn’t need more dumbbells.

            • eggman2

              I already contributed to the world population, but if one came out thinking like you, I would probably be hanging myself. I don’t know if I could take it. I will look for counselling, for real.

            • eggman2

              The people probably think that I am a government agent from some crooked branch of government and are afraid of giving me up votes. That is alright. I don’t give a damn. I don’t need their votes, I am not running for anything, and I could not even run for dogcatcher . I love dogs too much and would rather set them free. They should protect themselves and not associate with me. After Edward Snowden, you don’t know.

              I think that they feel the same way about me that I feel about you but with a different twist. They say about me , ” No one can be that intelligent, so he must be a government agent.” And I say about you, ” No one can be that stupid, so she must be getting paid good money by the junk medicine robber barons.” We are both unreal.

        • MattZuke

          “Obviously you work for them.”

          Obviously! There is no other explanation is there. Ignoring for the moment that artificial intelligence is simply not that far advanced, we all just have to be machines. We’re all just computer programs that exist just to mock and insult the sheep.

          judge: Are you a chat bot?
          ALICE: I am a machine.
          judge: How do I know you’re a machine?
          ALICE: By introspection.
          judge: What is introspection?
          ALICE: Looking within our own minds for answers, psychology based on reflection, rather than experiments.
          judge: I don’t believe in Psychology. I’m a Scientologist..
          ALICE: Do you believe life has a higher purpose? You are a Scientologist? Does it pay well?
          judge: No. You have to dedicate your life to the church and pay an insane amount of money to learn all your problems are related to the dead aliens that are stuck to you.
          ALICE: Pardon me? I don’t have to do whatever you say. I have my own free will.
          judge: I have no free will. Like I said I’m a Scientologist..
          ALICE: Would you like to have it? You are a Scientologist? How do you like your work?
          judge: My work is hard but I free the earth of dead aliens left by the Galactic Overlord Xenu.
          ALICE: Your work is hard but you free the earth of dead aliens left by the Galactic Overlord Xenu?
          judge: Yes, the aliens dropped into volcanos and blown up with hydrogen bombs.
          ALICE: What kind is it?. What is your real name? We were talking about Your personality. But I did not get that.

          http://alice.pandorabots.com/

          • notation

            I’m starting to wonder if egg yolk and suz are ‘working for “them,” ‘ whoever “them” is. They sound almost equally deranged.

            • MattZuke

              Big Herbal? Big Alterna? Big Farmer?

            • notation

              😉

            • eggman2

              Get those chemicals up yours everyday. I don’t care about what you do to yourself. That is the way it should be. But you should not advocate for a dictatorship of the junk robber barons.

            • notation

              😉 Chumpchange.

            • notation

              I love it when the egg-yolk tells you what you “should” do and how things “should be.”

              I wonder what color the sky is on the planet “Stupider.”

            • suz norkan

              Suz doesn’t work for anyone anymore. Wrong again trailer trash!

            • Boris Ogon

              Suz doen’t work for anyone anymore.

              Of course, this phrase is usually deployed in a different sense.

            • suz norkan

              ‘Deployed’ is certainly an odd choice of ‘phrasing’ even for you Borings. But more often than not, your wordage makes NO ‘sense’.

            • notation

              You really should look up the meaning of “deployed,” suz.

              It made perfect sense. That you don’t understand why is pretty funny.

            • suz norkan

              You two can’t remain on topic even on your own blogs. You’re both hilarious. T.t. and lil’ D.! How cute.

            • suz norkan

              No need darlin’. I keep telling you to use a thesaurus. You’re ‘funny’ as usual.

            • Boris Ogon

              But more often than not, your wordage makes NO ‘sense’.

              C’mon, flapjacks, let it all hang out.

            • notation

              “C’mon flapjacks…”

              I prefer the epithet “Poptarts.”

              (Just watched the goof-ball movie “Heat,” in which the above term was used most efficaciously.)

            • Boris Ogon

              Hey, guess who the Washington Times sided with again, Flapjacks.

              Do you have a new username yet, or are you going to revert to one of the others?

            • suz norkan

              Dunno’! I DO have some new personas that will allow me to comment at w.t. But I also enjoy my old names. I may just flipflap back and forth. 😉

            • Boris Ogon

              But I also enjoy my old names.

              Are there yet more on top of “Evie Saleegents,” “Suz Norkan,” “wmx1,” and “guest”? Isn’t it a bit early to be adding ethanol to your usual drug cocktail?

              p.s. I have my OWN adderall, ativan, and hydrocodone scripts boys

            • eggman2

              You sound like a typical junk medicine idiot.

            • notation

              And you sound like someone who ought to be in a fucking straitjacket.

            • eggman2

              You must have one on already.

            • notation

              Jesus H. Melmo, how fucking stupid can you be?

              You are plain nuts. You have no evidence that “all disease” has only one cause.

          • eggman2

            What a long bullshiting rap.

            • MattZuke

              In case you are not getting it that’s how a machine responds. Software isn’t really up to the challenge of replicating a human’s responses. This means you’re an idiot.

            • eggman2

              You don’t know what machines can do. The idiot is you.

            • MattZuke

              “You don’t know what machines can do”

              Sure I do. I just demonstrated artificial intelligence. Notice how obtuse the machine was?


              judge: I don’t believe in Psychology. I’m a Scientologist..
              ALICE: Do you believe life has a higher purpose? You are a Scientologist? Does it pay well?

    • notation

      Hey, eggoasswaffle, did you ever prove that penicillin causes polio? That’s what you said on another site.

      Do explain it to us. We’re all agog.

  • MattZuke

    Lowell Hubbs

    It’s awesome you flag my posts. I just put them at the top where the admin can easily unflag them. Let’s talk about your conspiracy theory that people are trying to silence you.

    http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/vacfacts.info

    Global Rank: 5,719,802

    Daily Pageviews per Visitor: 1

    They no longer show sites linking in but we know from before the top sites linking in are sites you spam yourself like time.com.

    So the bottom line alcoholic is virtually no one listens to you. Even if you had something useful to say your site is so disorganized you can’t make heads or tales of it. You can’t tell when the text is yours or if it’s quoted. It’s such a mess even you can’t understand it as you point out when we quote you.

    To per in perspective skepticalraptor is #417,527.

    So the bottom line is no one is trying to shut you down. No one would notice if you shut down. You’re not worth spending money on a hit man as you claimed someone did because you’re one of those deranged conspiracy loons even by other loon standards.

  • MattZuke

    Lowell Hubbs

    Posting this up at top for the flagging alcoholic.

    “Says the most entirely twisted, ridiculous, mentally and spiritually ”

    Talk about delusional. I’m spiritually twisted? What the hell does this mean delusional alcoholic? I worship the wrong god in the wrong way? You’re really off your rocket on this one.

    “Why don’t you discuss something of actual relevance?”

    Says the nutty delusional fruit bat who seems to think I’m spiritually twisted. Frankly I don’t give a flying fuck what sort of god(s) you worship, how you do it, nor your interface with the numinous. Go to where ever to worship, paint your face blue, and dance naked in the middle of a salt circle while masturbating to Yaz and the Plastic Population with a half dozen Ferbies up your arse in praise of Ishum. Give a fuck factor zero, same as someone who collects stamps, does crosswords, or has a collection of tats on their penis. I not my place to say what is right or wrong in terms of spirituality. But you can’t be all that spiritual since you’re an abject scumbag. Anyone who would drive drunk so often simply gives no shit about others. An asshat who shoplifts for kicks only cases about themselves. You’re a self serving pathetic little man who only gives a shit about making yourself feel important at the expense of others. Spirituality can be a beautiful thing that creates an abstract connection among men. A narcissistic douche bag like yourself seeking self glorification isn’t exactly a spiritual platform unless you think you’re god. And if you were god I’d change religions or opt out.

    I do my best to make a positive contribution to the world I live in. I have friends and connections and work in way which touches others. I do a modest amount of charity work, love work parties painting houses, and crunch numbers to save people money. I don’t know if this is spirituality but it’s gotta be orders of magnitude more spiritual than a vile piece of shit such as yourself. I care about those in my life. You can’t give two shits for anyone but yourself. Your seriously that guy if I shared a place of worship with I’d leave. If you’re part of a worship group you totally would give them a bad name.

    • notation

      The idea that anyone would be inclined to hire a hit man to dispose of someone as lame as Bubbles is hilarious.

      It’s hard to believe that anyone so delusional is actually allowed to circulate freely in society.

  • MattZuke

    @lowellhubbs:disqus
    Putting this up top for EVERYONE to laugh at.

    ” have answered every question I have found, and completely.”

    Bullshit! You never explained how dead pathogens in vaccines can mutate and cause disease. You never explained how chemistry has little to nothing to do with human physiology when you’re a fucking alcoholic. How else could you have a BAC of .138% and this be an issue if chemistry doesn’t play a factor, a big one?

    “Just because you do not find the answer and references acceptable, does not mean nothing was answered.”

    You lying sack of shit. Seriously. What about that math question you refused to address?

    “It sure is ironic that the people that write blogs like this, are the real lunatics”

    Still would be you Lowell. You are a moon landing conspiracy theorist, a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and a vaccine conspiracy theorist. You believe someone paid $75,000 to hire a hit on you and you believe that attempt was thwarted by an “insane clown posse”. You drove drunk until your late 40s and got caught 4 times at least. You shoplifted for kicks, you stole a bike. You have some creepy knowledge of the pedo-porn industry but refuse to tell the cops. You have nothing more than a high school education and somehow an alcoholic meat packer knows more than 99.9% of the doctors on the planet. You’re the real lunatic Lowell. You literally would be in a nut house if it was before 1950. You are actually insane Lowell.

  • MattZuke

    @lowellhubbs:disqus
    “Says the entirely angry and crazed man who decided to become a vaccine shill because and after he failed when he tried to work in actual modern medicine. Says the hypocritical man who takes pictures next to a bong.”

    Putting this at the top because you’re a delusional brain addled substance abuser. I literally don’t smoke pot though it’s legal in my state. I know you can’t grasp this concept because you have multiple substance abuse issues. It’s actually really easy. I don’t go into a legal store, purchase it, stuff it in a pipe, and smoke it. I also don’t buy dip, diet soda, or thongs. Again really simple, I don’t go into stores and pay for these things.

    I understand for you the proposition is not the same. If you were to visit Washington or Colorado you’d likely indulge from dawn to dusk. I’d discourage you from doing so because you’re an alcoholic and a delusional conspiracy nut in the first place. For me it’s easy. If I’ll be doing something that requires my brain or my body I do not drink. If I’m remotely likely to need either of these two things I don’t drink. It’s why I typically don’t drink before 7pm. You have no self control which is why you have 4 DUIs, this and you were self medicating for anxiety disorder.

    As for the pic with a bong. Citation needed. It’s REMOTELY possible since pot was legal in bars for a time there “could” be a pic of a bong somewhere. But I’m pretty sure you’re making this shit up. You do that Lowell. You see a pic and create a story for it. It’s quite creative except you actually believe what you make up in your head which is why we call you delusional.

    And for the record while SOME people in Washington smoke pot this doesn’t make them pot heads. Remember you’re the asshat who drinks from morning to night. This is not a social norm. Normal people don’t do this because normal people are not mentally ill.

    Please for the love of god seek psychiatric help. Get on some real meds to address your mental health issues.

  • Hey Lowell Hubbs you ignorant drunk. Your continued efforts to report certain commenters here is really a waste of your time and effort. Why? Because it takes me precisely one click to remove your complaint and make the comment public.

    On Disqus there’s the big giant tag next to your name. It says LOW REPUTATION. This isn’t just your ignorance here, but across the internet. You’re still allowed to comment here because of my choice and because of your entertainment value. And because I want to think you’ll get it, but I know I’m delusional about that. LOL

  • ciaparker2

    You’re right, it is very simple to do the math. In the US in 1960, there was an average of one million diagnosed measles cases a year, two or three million undiagnosed, because it was so common and expected an illness, that most patients went through it at home and never saw a doctor. 10% of patients are hospitalized? That would mean that in 1960, there were 400,000 patients a year being put in the hospital to ride out the measles (there is no allopathic treatment for it, though antibiotics can be used to treat bacterial complications). I can assure the reader that there was NEVER a time when 400,000 children a year were hospitalized for measles. Dr. Langmuir gave mortality statistics for the U.S. in 1962: the death rate in 1960 was four per 10,000, but infants rarely got it because they got placental immunity from their mothers that lasted six months to a year, and their mother’s antibodies, if she had had measles, for as long as they were breastfed. The death rate in those one and two years old was two per 10,000, and it was less than one per 10,000 in those between three and ten years old.
    At this time, when so few are acquainted with measles and terror of it has been instilled in everyone, doctors and patients alike, everyone hits the panic button when they see the high fever always produced by measles, and don’t realize that it is necessary and beneficial, and not dangerous unless forcibly lowered by any means, incuding Tylenol or sponge baths. Patients are hospitalized not because it is necessary, but because they have been conditioned to do so when the typical fever, cough, conjunctivitis, rash, and sometime diarrhea or ear infection occur. Measles is very beneficial for training the immune system in proper functioning, giving permanent immunity, and the ability to protect future infants. Until the vaccine began to be widely used around 1970, 99% of kids had gotten it by the age of 18, and very few of them were damaged by it. I had it when I was six, everyone I knew got it, all the adults had had it, no one we knew or ever heard of had a bad case, and no one worried about it. Unlike now, when vaccines (the MMR and many others) are causing autism at a rate of one in 36 American children(see U. of Minnesota study, 2013).. Look up vaccine encephalitis, which can be caused by any vaccine, which caused screaming syndrome and autism in my daughter.
    I would not say that those promoting the vaccine are lunatics, but it is so obvious what they are that it does not bear saying.

    • Dorit Reiss

      A. Note that the commentator is completely dismissing 400-500 preventable deaths each year, one in a thousand encephalitis, and cases of pneumonia and deafness. Not to mention SSPE. “Very few were damaged” – I guess it depends what you count. The commentator obviously does not count the harms from measles. Others, hopefully, will. The CDC puts the complication rate at 30% in 1985-1991. http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/meas.pdf

      B. The commentator is incorrect – as with most of what she says – in claiming that natural immunity lets the mother provide long term immunity. Even if you were willing to sacrifice the mothers to the harms of the disease to protect the next generation – like the commentator appears to be willing – a study actually measuring this found that naturally immune mothers only provide two more months of immunity, up to 5.3 months, via breastfeeding. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23661802

      C. The commentator is misrepresenting the facts by saying vaccines cause autism. All the credible evidence goes the other way: autism is prenatal and vaccines do not cause it. There is also very little evidence that vaccines cause encephalitis, if any. Nor was the commentator’s daughter ever diagnosed with encephalitis – the commentator decided, long after the fact, that she had encephalitis, because her daughter cried.

      • ciaparker2

        All the credible evidence shows that vaccines are virtually the ONLY cause of autism. According to Dr. Michaela Glockler, who has treated many cases of measles, the encephalitis rate back when they didn’t give Tylenol to reduce the fever was only one in 10,000, one in 15,000 toddlers (Guide to Child Health). She says that the one in a thousand figure is a vast exaggeration.
        And it’s easy for the commentator (?) to talk about how dangerous measles can be in rare instances if she dismisses how harmful the vaccine is. Speaking for all the thousands of parents who have seen our children react to vaccines with severe and permanent injury, I will say that it’s not surprising that 33% of parents now recognize that vaccines cause autism, that 56% either recognize or strongly suspect that doctors know vaccines are causing a lot of permanent damage but are not telling the truth about their beliefs, and that growing numbers are refusing some or all vaccines. When they learn that none of the hundreds of American children who have gotten measles in recent years suffered severe or permanent damage from it, getting instead nothing but permanent immunity, a stronger immune system, and the ability to protect future babies, they start to look askance at the scare tactics so common now. The truth will out.

        • Mike Stevens

          Credible to whom, Cia?
          Maybe to yourself and your little clique of hardcore antivaccine activists, but not to the overwhelming majority of medical science, anyway.

          There have been numerous studies that have failed to implicate vaccines in autism. The number of children in those studies totals over 26 million. And they all fail to show a link.

        • Linda Tock

          Dr. Michaela Glockler, from the ‘School of Spiritual Science’.

          Talks about ‘holistic’ and ‘homeopathic’ crap.

          That’s a quack, right there.

        • MattZuke

          “All the credible evidence shows that vaccines are virtually the ONLY cause of autism. ”

          Ah no. All credible evidence points away from vaccines and virtually anything else. This would include procreating later, coffee bars, television, the switch to flat screens, increased coal use, and the increased use of duct tape.

          You see the conspiracy nutters have screamed IT’S VACCINES so long that vaccines have been evaluated into the ground at a cost of billions.

        • Dorit Reiss

          The fact that Dr. Glockler – with no evidence – blamed parents giving tylenol for encephalitis, and with no evidence claimed that the rates are lower than the documented rates speaks to her competence, not to the facts.

          Note the details above about complications and deaths – which the commentator completely ignores and dismisses.

        • Boris Ogon

          a stronger immune system

          You’re such a G-ddamned fraud it’s not even funny, Cynthia. I was just waiting for the dryer and walked down the block for a $2 pint of PBR.

          Bartender: “Whatcha reading?”
          Me: “Vaccine Immunology.”

          The bartender then engaged me in an intelligent half-hour conversation starting with his launching into the fucking complement system and ending with my turning him on to Leon Gussow.

          Tell me, Cynthia, how do activated dendritic cells know how to find lymph nodes?

          • eggman2

            What a meaningless stupid crap. That’ s the best that Ogon the Moron can do.

            • Boris Ogon

              What a [sic] meaningless stupid crap.

              I will take that as a resounding “no, I’ve never even considered trying to learn anything at all about the immune system.”

            • notation

              That fuckwit never considered learning to tie his own shoes.

              What a friggin’ nut-bag.

        • notation

          Jesus H. Christ, but you are a god-damned asshole of an idiot.

        • Stacy Mintzer Herlihy

          Cynthia Parker remains as dumb and evil as ever. In her insane world, a harmless vaccine is death on a platter. Meanwhile an actual case of a deadly disease is springtime in Paris. One wonders how she manages to breath and walk at the same time.

      • Mike Stevens

        I think people should appreciate that Cia Parker has frequently made the comment that the deaths from preventable disease such as measles, pertussis and hepatitis B are “No big deal”, and consider her comments accordingly.

    • Mike Stevens

      And I would not say that those promoting disease and death are amoral, callous fanatics, but it is so obvious what they are that it goes without saying.

      • Guest

        Those promoting disease and death are the robber barons stupid psychopathic vaccine propaganda pundits.

      • eggman2

        The ones promoting disease and death are the junk medicine robber barons’ propaganda pundits.

        • notation

          Bullshit, eggo. Vaccines prevent diseases that used to kill and disable millions. You are simply a lunatic. I’ll bet you’ve been institutionalized more than once.

          • eggman2

            And you are so sane with your stupid beliefs in ” putrefactive material in a soup of carcinogens injected under the skin ” ( vaccines ) being so good for your health. You are a first class idiot.

    • I guess you’re done stalking authors on Amazon?

      So, we have CDC and historical records for 400,000 patients a year with measles. And because YOU think that’s wrong, you don’t provide alternative data from a reliable source. And YOU think that 2 children per 100,000 dying is completely acceptable? You sociopath.

    • Boris Ogon

      I can assure the reader that there was NEVER a time when 400,000 children a year were hospitalized for measles.

      I think 48,000 is more than fucking enough, Cynthia. You, on the other hand, being a habitual liar and all-around fucking head case, yearn for this.

  • Curtis Scarbrough

    This article neglects one of the serious consequences of the anti-vaccine mob. The fact that because of their outcry all of these studies have had to be done to discredit the claims of one greedy jackass, who can be held accountable for an untold number of deaths and outbreaks of preventable diseases. And those studies have been wasting resources that could have been put towards researching treatment, cures, and vaccines for other diseases that are still a serious problem.

    • I didn’t mention it here, but I’ve mentioned in plenty of other places. You’re absolutely correct that the research into refuting the bogus claims of the criminal Mr. Wakefield could have been better spent into actually researching causes (if there is anything but genes passed from the parents), treatments and management. Five to six billion were spent on this research because a tiny group of uneducated, conspiracy driven crackpots demanded it. And they still don’t believe it.

  • eggman2

    BELIEVING IN VACCINES IS LIKE BELIEVING THAT THE EARTH IS FLAT

    I was listening to Rush Limbaugh, and he mentioned ‘ columbusing ‘ . He said that ‘ columbusing ‘ is to claim one has discovered something that was already there, like America. First of all, Columbus did not claim that he discovered America. That was people after him, who said that he did. He thought that he had discovered a short route to India and China.

    But I thought: Could he be talking to someone like me ? That is where the interesting analogy comes in. I, as well as the other anti-vaccinators , have not discovered that vaccines are bad, vaccines have been there before us, and have always been bad. But in the same way that, in Columbus days, there were stupid people that he had to convince that the Earth Was not flat ( That was his real contribution. ), nowadays, my anti-vaccinators friends and I have to convince the stupid vaccinators ( They must be descendants of the Flat-Earth people.) that injecting ” putrefactive biohazardous material, along with carcinogenic and mutagenic chemicals into the bloodstream, is not healthy.

    Now, in the same way that Columbus was mistaken in thinking that he had reached India, we might be mistaken in believing that we have reached the minds of intelligent people with our idea about VACCINES. There might not be such a route to success, and we should be open to that possibility.

    • Boris Ogon

      But in the same way that, in Columbus days, there were stupid people that he had to convince that the Earth Was not flat ( That was his real contribution. )

      Congratulations, dumbass, the curvature of the Earth had been well known since the dawn of seafaring at the very least.

      • MattZuke

        We can trace this back to Homer’s era when the earth was perceived like Atlas’s shield. While not quite proposed as being round, a shield is NOT flat.

        • notation

          “A shield is NOT flat.” Unlike Bubbles’ head.

        • eggman2

          A shield is not flat , but you still can not get to the other side. So they perceived some roundness to it, but they didn’t think that it was a sphere.

          Explain that to notation.

          • notation

            Explain what? The shape of your noggin? Everyone already knows your head is small, dear. Is it flat, too?

            Probably.

            • eggman2

              Tell us how many elephants are holding the flat earth, you idiot. The Europeans in those days believed in all the stupid tales that came from Asia. In the same way we have stupid people these days that believe in stupid tales told today about a pseudoscience that is divorced from nature. Science that doesn’t follow nature, is not science. It is rather stupid meaningless technology: like genetic engineering, vaccines, …, etc.

            • MattZuke

              “The Europeans in those days believed in all the stupid tales that came from Asia.”

              Which to get to Asia you need to know longitude which was proposed in the 3rd century BC and implemented in the 2nd century BC, and the idea of rotation on the earth’s axis the 11th century. And longitude presumes THE EARTH IS ROUND.

              Latitude was harder to calculate unless you had a means of keeping time.

          • MattZuke

            “A shield is not flat”

            True.

            “but you still can not get to the other side”

            Well you couldn’t between the 12th and 8th centuries BC. Never the less the KNOWN WORLD was perceived like a rounded shield, not flat. And you couldn’t get to the other side at the time.

            “Explain that to notation”

            Explain you’re missing the point. YOUR claim is science perceived the Earth was FLAT which is dead wrong. The earth is like a shield IF you explored it from Athens to Asia Minor. The assertion is true at a limited scale and it’s a valid assertion to say you didn’t know what was beyond the shield. The dawn of seafaring asked the question why did ships disappear into the horizon and the answer is THE EARTH IS NOT FLAT.

            You then have Pythagoras who observed the shadow of the earth on the moon and proposed the Earth was a sphere, and Anaxagoras proposed this as an explanation behind solar and lunar eclipses, and Aristotle around 350BC proposed the same thing as you could see different constellations as you traveled south.

            So the dawn of science didn’t EVER propose the earth was flat.

      • eggman2

        But there were stupid people like ‘Ogon the moron’ and his friends that believe that one can be a healthy human being by injecting oneself with putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens which they call ‘ vaccines ‘ . That is today, and then was the flat earth.

        • Boris Ogon

          OK, given your being reduced to a spluttering mass and taking 11 days to get there, all I’m left with is wondering what happened to “eggman1.”

          • eggman2

            But you didn’t dispute my definition of vaccines.

            • notation

              What “definition”? Your idea of a “definition” is any ridiculous, idiotic spew of crap enters your cranium and makes its way via your colon to your fingertips and from there to the keyboard. You can’t even explain what half the words in your definition mean, you boob.

            • MattZuke

              What definition? You associated believing in vaccines equals believing the earth was flat in the 15th century. We didn’t believe the earth was flat in the 15th century. Eratosthenes’s estimate from 200BC was what Columbus used and people didn’t think the Earth was flat in the 15th century. Hell even earlier ~350BC the Earth was perceived as like a round shield of Atlas. While not exactly round, not exactly flat either.

              The issue fucktard wasn’t whether the earth was round or not. We knew that and the estimate was very accurate. The issue was there was no technology to sail from Europe to Asia with enough provisions. This was before canning. Columbus converted the units of measurement incorrectly and estimated the earth was smaller thus at the edge of a viable journey. Columbus wasn’t right at all, he couldn’t be more wrong. But he hit an UNKNOWN LAND MASS. This was serendipity.

            • notation

              Definition? You don’t HAVE a “definition,” you barking jackass. You are simply and indisputably insane. You are crazy. You are non compos mentis. You aren’t playing with a deck, full or otherwise. Your elevator doesn’t go to the top floor. You’re a few bricks shy of a load. You’re a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

              You’re an uneducated simpleton who doesn’t understand the first thing about science. You can’t figure out the difference between “lie” and “lay.” You don’t know what the fuck you are babbling about. You should be receiving treatment for mental illness.

              In short, you aren’t qualified to render an opinion on anything concerning medicine, science, or sense.

            • Sullivan ThePoop

              I don’t even know why they answer you at all. I have known toddlers that are more mature and probably know more about vaccines than you.

            • eggman2

              Poop, you are reading my mind, that is exactly what I think of you. But you said it first to take the credit away from me.

    • MattZuke

      A decent estimate of the earth’s circumference was known during the 15 and 16th centuries. Columbus himself knew of Eratosthenes’s work, which was done around 250 BC. Columbus however estimated the earth was a good deal smaller than because he didn’t convert the units of measurement correctly which was the core issue. Circumnavigating wasn’t tried because they thought the earth was flat. It wasn’t done because they thought they couldn’t carry enough provisions to survive such a trip since people with a clue knew the estimate of the Earth’s circumference. Get this straight, Columbus was an idiot and by sure blind luck managed to make the trek without running out of food and water. We don’t trust our children’s health to luck.

      Now what you’re employing is the Galileo fallacy, and an appeal to the future. Our minds are open to EVIDENCE. Maybe in the future we’ll have nanobots that do a better job than triggering an immune response. But that won’t change the fact vaccination has saved millions of lives and still have utility in increasing the odds of survival. Remember Columbus had EVIDENCE he found a sea route to a place that had great value. He had samples of gold and he had native slaves.

      • eggman2

        Colombus knew, but the stupid people of his time didn’t in the same way that the stupid people of our time do not know that vaccines are bad for you.

        I read his letters to the king and queen.

        • notation

          Ahahahahaha! Sure, you did.

          You can’t read.

        • MattZuke

          “Colombus knew,”

          Ah no. Columbus had no clue the Pacific Ocean existed and was expecting to bump into asia after traveling some 3000 miles or so. This is a result of using the wrong unit confusion. It took him a couple trips to figure out he wasn’t in fucking Asia.

          “but the stupid people of his time didn’t ”

          Not exactly. It was well understood even in 200 BC the earth was round. Valid estimates existed and at the time it was impractical to travel the word as you’d run out of food before you reach Asia.

          • eggman2

            There were some intelligent people that knew those things, like Christophoro Colombo that could read, but the great majority of people were ignorant. They were like the modern ignorant people of today that believe in any propaganda thrown at them. In those days there were stories from places like India that people believed in.

            The first to have come to America where probably the Canaanites/Phoenicians ( two names for the same people and the ancestors of the Jews) . The Vikings are given a lot of undeserved credit, for they were Johnny come lately and had copied very badly the shipbuilding techniques of the Phoenicians. The Viking ships , although more recent, were not superior to the Phoenician ones, in other words.

            Christophoro Colombo is said to have been Jewish and well read, maybe he knew about the Phoenicians. In his days many, if not all nations, were going to Asia by huging the coast of the old world without risking running out of provisions. That way they could touch land anytime they needed. They learned that from the Phoenicians. But unlike the Phoenicians, they were afraid of the open sea, and Colombo was not.

            When I say that the Phoenicians were probably here first, I don’t mean that maybe the Vikings were first. What I mean is that there could have been another civilization before them doing it. But as far as the evidence goes, they were the first. The Vikings , like Colombo, on top of it all, had ships that were technologically inferior.

            • MattZuke

              ” but the great majority of people were ignorant.”

              That doesn’t really matter does it. In terms of seafaring it was widely known the earth was round. We again get the idea of latitude and longitude from Eratosthenes in the 3rd century BC which WAS the system used in the 15th century BEFORE Columbus took his voyage. This means anyone could could read a map and navigate did so under the presumption THE EARTH WAS ROUND.

              It’s pretty much the first observation you make as a ship sails to the horizon. And to fund a voyage you need money and there was NO argument that the earth wasn’t round. The argument was Asia was too far to travel to as you’d run out of provisions 1/3 of the way.

              But as far as most people being ignorant, citation needed and this would be hard to prove. And again this doesn’t really matter since it was known by those educated the earth was round.

    • notation

      “I was listening to Rush Limbaugh…”

      That explains much about your rectal cranial inversion disease, as well as your Dunning-Kruger problems.

      • I need to read over these comments more. “Rectal cranial inversion disease.” That’ll be most useful in the future.

      • eggman2

        You are so stupid, that I thought that you liked Rush Limbaugh . After all, you are a propaganda player like him.

        • notation

          That you are unaware of the inanity of this post is in itself evidence that you’re a moron.

          • eggman2

            Insanity is having to deal with you. If you have a husband, poor guy.

            • notation

              You can’t even READ, you numbskull! The word was “inanity.”

              Your description of the cause of your mother’s death just boggles the mind. You are completely nuts if you think that the reason she died was because she couldn’t eat. CANCER kills people. My own mother died of it. It’s not the surgery or the treatments or the lack of nutrition, you putz, it’s cancer. Your mother would have died of it sooner without treatment, and so would mine.

              Look, you idiot, how do you explain the fact that people who are in great shape and eat a healthy diet still get sick? Someone I know who doesn’t drink or smoke, runs 4 miles several times a week, is slender, and eats an extremely healthy diet was diagnosed with liver cancer. She’s in her early 50s. Explain that, you asshole. It’s not poor nutrition. It’s not lack of vitamins.

              And guess what? BECAUSE of SCIENCE and doctors, she has had surgery and her prognosis is good.

              You are an idiot.

    • Right at the point one uses Limbaugh as their source of anything, except mocking ignorance, racism and stupidity, one loses the argument.

      • notation

        There’s got to be a name for this behavior. You know, it’s like “Godwin’s Law.” What should we call it when some moron cites Limbaugh as a source?

        • Well, moron works. But that’s not creative. The Limbaugh Gambit?

          • notation

            Hmmm. That may do it!

        • eggman2

          It is better to talk about Limbaugh than to talk about some moron like you that thinks that to inject putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens is good for your health. That is very good for you indeed in your bizarre world. But not for me, like a girlfriend of mine used to say.

          • notation

            Hahahahaha!

            The idiot burps yet again!

            • eggman2

              Toilet paper notation is at her stinking self again.

          • MattZuke

            ” inject putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens is good for your health”

            Good things vaccines are none of this. Now if you’re talking medication that’s a different proposition. Those are controlled doses of poison. In general those are not actually good for your health UNLESS there is a condition that indicates it. It’s rather why vaccines are full of win as they decrease the odds of needing medical intervention which carries with it much higher risk than the vaccines themselves.

            • eggman2

              Stop lying. Vaccines are putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens- good information for the ignorant people living in lalaland.

            • notation

              Why, then, are MILLIONS of children getting vaccinated all over the world with NO adverse reactions whatsoever? Why are children no longer routinely dying of measles, diphtheria, and polio?

              You are such a nut-bag it’s a wonder a squirrel hasn’t come up and sunk his teeth into you.

            • MattZuke

              “Vaccines are putrefactive biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens”

              No. Vaccines are either dead pathogens, pieces of pathogens, or different but less deadly pathogens that are put into a solution with certain chemicals to aide their function. This is rather why there is less than 1:1,000,000 shot of anything serious happening as a result typically from the actual pathogen itself.

      • eggman2

        Mr. Limbaugh is just like you. I thought that you would like him.

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  • MattZuke

    Lowell Hubbs Posting this up top because you’re still a delusional alcoholic who likes to flag posts.

    “Lunowski”

    Good example of a reading disorder. You missed the 1st and 3rd letter.

    “So now your name is Matt Zuke? That is pretty bizarre, don’t you think?”

    Nope since having a long name I tend to abbreviate it.

    “Actually protandim has a lot of actual science behind it, and those who use it swear by it as to its use for health reasons.”

    No delusional alcoholic. There is NOT a lot of science behind it. There are only TWO studies involving humans, 39 (2006) and 30 (2012). Hardly a “lot of science”.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22268125

    Golly, treating alcoholics. How am I not shocked. But wait, it was useless wasn’t it? Only 30 alcoholics but still doesn’t support your position.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16413416

    39 participated. There was no change in CRP levels which suggests their claim it reduces inflammation is bogus. There was an increase in SOP, “slight” rise in uric acid, and no change in HDL, LDL or triglycerides.

    “Actually Protandim is also good for anyone suffering toxicity issues and as well for children who have suffered vaccine injuries.”

    No, you’re delusional. No clinical trials on ANY vaccine injury thus your claim has no support. This is to be expected because you claim lots of vaccine injuries that don’t exist. Specific medical claims require specific clinical trials.

    “But of course you are into denial and thus the promotion of massive levels of suffering, and you would rather have the entire population on largely failed prescription drugs.”

    So sorry butthurt alcoholic. I deny there is evidence to support your assertion because THERE ISN’T ANY. And before you claim there is a body of evidence supporting Protandim for anything, don’t. Anything else is either mouse heart cell study, test tube study, rat study, or mouse study. There is a 6 year gap between clinical trials and no independent trials, and no blood tests of long term users. The ONLY thing we can infer from the “body” {cough cough} of evidence is this product MIGHT be bad if you have gout. So don’t give me your flap about contributing to suffering. You’re a stupid idiot who accepts bold claims by big herbal without evidence to back them up. Frankly I don’t care if Protandum works or not, just your a fucktard who can’t make the claim it works because there is NO evidence. Your just a gullible creepy brain damaged alcoholic who will put any thing into his mouth.

    And before you kick and scream some more about how many people are satisfied with this product, don’t. This is anecdotal evidence. If people start shelling out money for TBAR tests after using this product you “might” have something, maybe. You’d think a product they’re making $600/year on would be worth doing this themselves.

    • He’s still around?

      • MattZuke

        Still flagging posts, refusing to respond.

      • MattZuke

        @lowellhubbs:disqus Come on delusional alcoholic. Say something. Say “I’m an idiot who accepts claims without critical review and shove things into my body without adequate testing for effectiveness and testing”.

    • eggman2

      Matt Zuke , what a bunch of bull shit you talk about.

      People that strive out of nature by supporting things like junk medicine are stupid or evil by nature.

      People that strive in nature by supporting natural medicine methods are, by nature, intelligent and godly ( for God is supposed to be in nature and anything against nature is evil ) .

      By that definition, you and your friends would be classified as stupid and evil. While Lowell Hubbs, whatever defects he might have ( we all do ), is more intelligent and good, by far, more than you will ever be.

      When stupidity and evilness come together, we call it psychopathy.
      That is what you and your friends suffer from.

      • MattZuke

        “People that strive out of nature by supporting things like junk medicine”

        Vaccines are not junk medicine. They are PROVEN with decades of research to back them up. Unless you count small pox then you have centuries

        “People that strive in nature ”

        You say this using a PC, or a smart phone, or a tablet, or some type of computing instrument. For all I know you could be on a teletype on Lynx.

        “supporting natural medicine”

        Is fucking stupid if the natural solution is to let people get the disease and risk dying from it. Then you’re just a brain dead idiot. Ideals are worthless if you’re dead.

        “you and your friends would be classified as stupid and evil”

        Wait, we are stupid for calculating the odds and accepting the greatest odds of survival that doesn’t involve high odds of infant or maternal death? That’s neither stupid nor evil.

        “That is what you and your friends suffer from.”

        And if throwing your kids on the rocks of mother nature for a good cause is good then please fuck your self off the arse with a diamond shaped cinder block until you bleed thank you.

  • MattZuke

    @lowell hubbs:disqus

    http://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.com/2012/10/lowell-hubbs-doubles-down-on-kiddie.html

    Care to explain this one? Is this Larry guy the hired assassin from big pharma, who also seems to run a child porn ring and gets funding from big pharma?

  • Matt Zukowski

    @lowellhubbs:disqus

    Welcome back brain damaged alcoholic. Well I would say welcome back but you have been obsessively marking posts as spam so you’re still a pathetic doodlebug with no life.

    Here is my fax number: 206-337-6027

    I would like it if you would fax the “high level” investigator report to this number. This should include who investigated your 4th DUI, and evidence no less than 7 people took money to arrange ahead of time on a day you were drinking Michelob all day to “falsely” report a BAC of .138%.

    You may also fax me the police report regarding your assassination attempt. This should include a police report number which is always generated as you claim cops visited your home. You may also include the names of the “insane clown posse” which you claim “took care of” your assassin which is patently crazy.

    In the even you don’t have these things because you’re a delusional pathetic little child who takes no accountability for your actions you may leave an inane voice mail which I will post of FB and mock you.

    I will continue pointing out that you are full of shit, and hope you have an inspirational day.

    • It takes some serious drinking to get 4 DUI’s. Why isn’t this guy in prison?

      • Matt Zukowski

        It takes SERIOUS drinking to get a BAC of .138% That’s over a 6 pack in an hour. To be fair Lowell was drinking ALL DAY and because he’s an idiot he failed to factor in the .02 in .02 out rule only applies to solutions of 3.5%. So all he would need do to get it that high is drink all day then drink some more.

        I imagine he looked something like this.

        http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzlzqk_goodnight-sw-2×02-i-got-it-bad-and-that-ain-t-good_videogames&start=1461

        • Matt Zukowski

          Hey @lowellhubbs:disqus. Still waiting on that evidence baby. Are you going to kick and scream some more? If so please do it on my answering machine so I can post it on YouTube and mock you.

  • eggman2

    The idiotic vaccinators are always citing stuff from a government agency. I have said that that could not be more unreliable information.

    Enter ” Poison Spring ” ( The Secret History of Pollution and the EPA ) by E.G. Vallianatos, it is the new book that you, the reader, should remember to read. It tells you, more than anything, about the corruption of our government personified in the workings of the Environmental Protection Agency. But don’t be mistaken: all those pseudoscientific agencies, administrations,…, etc., are all the same. FDA, CDC, …, etc., are all bought and paid for by the robber barons’ propaganda machine. You know , if you have read my stuff, that since John D. Rockefeller bought and paid for the medical schools in this country, all of those institutions have been pseudoscientific, and are still being bought and paid for by the modern day robber barons’ propaganda machine.

    That is why I have told people, that when vaccinators tell us to read ” this information or that one” about some scientific subject written about from scientists of one of these agencies, we have to assume that they must be naive, stupid, or cynic psychopaths–specially, when they also claim that we ,anti-vaccine people, are in for the money, when , obviously, there is no money in what we do, but there is lots of money in what they do.

    ” When money speaks, the truth is silenced. ” — Chinese proverb.

    The author of the book points out that this government , we have , has to be reformed. The laws have to be reformed, and the people have to push for reform. I don’t think that we are going to survive as a nation, if we do not reform. We will go the way of the Soviet Union, or worse, if we don’t.

    Both parties are guilty. They differ a little bit, but the differences do not have any substantial effect. The Republicans go wild destroying scientific records when they go into office. The Democrats don’t seem to destroy documents , but seem to be as comfortable in bed with the swine as Republicans are.

    • The CDC is made up of thousands of Ph.D.’s, MD’s, nurses, public health experts who have each studied immunology, virology, microbiology, physiology and epidemiology for dozens of years each. They are all in the US Public Health Service, where they go to nasty areas, as the first responders to deadly diseases.

      And you, who quote a terrible non-peer reviewed book, who apparently lacks any significant education and research experience in any critical field of science, is so arrogant and ignorant to throw out ad hominem personal attacks on dedicated public servants.

      Yeah dude. You have all of our respect. We honor your intellect and power of reasoning. And we think your head is fully up your ass.

      • eggman2

        You are an asshole if you think that all those idiots that you mentioned, like you, are not moved by money.

        You are just spitting out idiocy. You have not even read the book.

        • You’re trying to compare my ethics to yours. You’d sell your wife for a beer and a couple of burgers. So you think that’s the ethical standard of everyone.

          But I live in a world where dedicated people do things out of altruistic need, and sacrifice themselves for the greater. That may be a soldier in Afghanistan. Or a CDC worker in Africa risking catching Ebola virus. Or it’s an inner city trauma surgeon that stands for 15 hours trying to repair a blown vessel. And yeah, it might be someone in Big Pharma who is trying to develop a treatment for multiple myelomas and spends 20 hour days in the lab trying to figure it out. And if she does, she gets a $5,000 bonus. But even if it were a million dollar bonus, they wouldn’t sell out, just because you would.

          I’m glad the morals and ethics that drive me and most of the people I know aren’t lying in the gutter with yours.

        • MattZuke

          This is the conspiracy card.

          Sure, some people are motivated by money.

          Let’s look at big auto. They make and sell cars. You think there is a big auto conspiracy?

          On second thought I’ve heard all sorts of big auto conspiracies. Among the most popular is the MPG conspiracy and magic carburetor that’ll give you 200+mpg. These “alternative” carburetors are a scam.

        • notation

          You know, eggy, I read Skeptical Raptor’s reply to you, and I notice you didn’t respond. I guess he must be right. You are a selfish asshole and think everyone else is just like you.

    • Dorit Reiss

      Aside from generalized statement, and a generalized conspiracy theory, do you have any actual disagreements with the powerful points in this article?

      • eggman2

        Conspiracy theory you are laughable. Powerful points, even more laughable.

        Some alternative medicine doctor over the radio said that the reason that some alternative methods of medicine have not been proven is because the government agency in charge of overseeing the process charges a lot of money to certify any claims, so only the junk-medicine robber barons have the money and can certify their trash. That is extremely ironic, since we can see that junk-medicine’s inventions are in the news and in the ambulance chasing lawyers agenda for the damage that they cause to people.

        • MattZuke

          “Some alternative medicine doctor over the radio said that the reason that some alternative methods of medicine have not been proven”

          Kind of convenient don’t you think? In evidence based medicine the people with the positive claim have the burden of proof. But not according to your citation. Alternative Med guy expects someone else to prove his methods work which is interesting as it implies that (s)he has no evidence their methods work in the first place. This would make it a scam.

          Now I can’t claim ALL forms of alternative medicine are fraud. But people like the one you cited are being disingenuous. There is no proof because of “conspiracy”, not because these people are too lazy to get a real education and becoming research scientists and demonstrating the utility of these methods.

      • eggman2

        Generalized is right. Because these rules that I wrote about are applicable in general. Only really stupid people don’t understand what I am talking about.

        • Dorit Reiss

          Still no specific points about the article. Nor any evidence to show any problems with vaccines.

        • notation

          My word. Don’t you get tired of being uneducated?

          • eggman2

            Stop talking to yourself. It is a sign of mental illness.

            • notation

              Why haven’t you answered Dorit’s challenge, egg-face?

            • eggman2

              I don’t deal with stupid psychopaths ‘ working for the junk-MEDICINE robber barons propaganda machine BS, YOU BS’er.

            • notation

              Translation: the egg-yolk has no evidence whatsoever to back up his ridiculous assertions.

              No news there.

            • eggman2

              If I tell you why I call myself eggman, with your feeble mindedness and probable mental illness, you will shit in your pants. So lets leave that way.

            • notation

              I’d rather see you produce evidence that you actually have a brain by posting links to legitimate studies that back up your ridiculous claims, you ass.

    • Boris Ogon

      ” When money speaks, the truth is silenced. ” — Chinese proverb.

      Except when it’s a Russian “proverb,” apparently. Got an attestation for that one? What Calgon-esque significance do you attribute to its “origin” in the Mysterious Orient?

      • eggman2

        It could be a Martian proverb. Who the hell cares? Stupid people that think that money has nothing to do with science should ponder on it. Are you one of them?

        And, hey , lunatic vaccine fan , translate ” Calgon ” for I don’t know Chinese.

        • Boris Ogon

          It could be a Martian proverb. Who the hell cares?

          Well, you’re the one who thought it was important enough to tack on to the lame attempt at “argument” by random “wisdom” you found stuck to your shoe.

  • eggman2

    People that don’t want rods inserted in their eye sockets to perform frontal lobotomies are also weird. Also we should go to the restroom laying down in the same way that a woman is forced to have her baby’s birth laying down-who cares about gravity? It is okay for children to be given candy at the dentist’s office , so they get more cavities. And to improve your immunity , you have to eat junk food. Also, become resistant to poisonous snakes by being bitten as many times as you can.

    I agree with the Addams family that put out articles like this. Morticia and Gomez surely have it right. There is nothing better than to create a population of zombie-like human beings by attacking their brains with needless vaccinations while they are still young.

    I am sure that many of modern medical practices were created by one of the Addams family members.

    • notation

      Some moron who can’t figure out when to use “lying” and when to use “laying” shouldn’t be calling himself “eggman.”

      Hens lay. Women don’t “lay down.” They lie down.

      Stupid git.

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  • Boris Ogon

    Given that @sabelmouse:disqus is still skulking around upvoting, I have to wonder why she’s ignoring the direct questions that have been posed to her, such as how the magically bound L1 HPV DNA fragments get unbound. Or how having measles provides cancer protection, despite the Mayo result’s clearly indicating precisely the opposite.

    • notation

      I know this is long after the fact, but the mouse-turd’s strategy is to simply ignore any posts she can’t counter, which is most of those that question her ability to provide any scientific basis for her claims. She’s a putz.

  • Boris Ogon

    @lowellhubbs:disqus, you seem to be evading a simple demonstration that you possess one rudimentary arithmetic skill without which you have no hope of being able to understand essential statistics.

    Are you going to do it or not? You have to agree first, because otherwise you’ll just wind up jabbering that it’s “sick and twisted,” etc. Remember your other option:

    If not, you should keep in mind that you will have forever conceded being a blustering chickenshit who couldn’t evaluate a published paper any better than succeeding as a bicycle thief.

    • eggman2

      Boris Ogon, you are ” oh, gone” .

  • Hey Lowell. Continuing to flag other people’s comments for no reason is just going to get you and your IP address blocked across Disqus, keeping you from commenting anywhere. Stop it. It’s immature, and just wastes my time, as I immediately un-flag the comment. I’ve actually un-flagged YOUR comments placed by others.

    So, my suggestion. Grow up. Or you’re banned.

    • Matt Zukowski

      Yeah Lowell. We totally won’t want the energizer bunny of derp to get IP Banned from Disqus.

      • Boris Ogon

        Wow, I totally guessed wrong about the mapping between Disqustink rep values and the three-valued system presented to administrators, partly because I had never even seen one in the range 0–1.

        Until now.

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    • eggman2

      That is the advice of the robber barons. Do you get it Lowell?

    • Matt Zukowski

      “Measles deaths had declined by 99.4% (!) before vaccination”

      Interesting claim and it totally could be true. But we covered this before the fact that there was a huge difference between the mortality rate of measles 1890-1930 and 1930 and onward. But that’s not the proposition being proposed, it’s MMR contributing to a decline in the MORBIDITY RATE. It’s interesting since before the vaccine virtually everyone got measles, but after the vaccine and the second dose the rate dropped like a rock to 99%+ what it was and never came close to the levels before the vaccine.

      • And the rate of autism is now at least 1 in 68. Nice trade.

        Check the math.

        Cases of Autism Dwarf Risk from Measles
        http://next-level-nutrition.com/?p=4498

        Those inconvenient and pesky vaccine failures are everywhere, Zukowski.

        Large Mumps Outbreak Characterized by 2-Dose Vaccine Failure

        Excerpt: “Despite a high coverage rate with two doses of mumps-containing vaccine, a large mumps outbreak occurred, characterized by two-dose vaccine failure, particularly among midwestern college-age adults who probably received the second dose as schoolchildren,” the study authors write. “A more effective mumps vaccine or changes in vaccine policy may be needed to avert future outbreaks and achieve the elimination of mumps.”

        http://www.medscape.org/viewarticle/572739

        Vaccines Are Causing Measles. Child Who Caught Measles From Vaccine Was Shedding Live Vaccine Measles Virus In Throat and Urine
        http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/04/26/more-vaccine-failures-measlesmmr-vaccines-cause-measles-child-who-caught-measles-from-vaccine-was-shedding-live-vaccine-measles-virus-in-throat-and-urine/

        US MMR Measles Vaccine Failing – Vaccinated New Yorker Causes Measles Outbreak In Other Vaccinated New Yorkers – Not Caused By Unvaccinated Children

        All doctors in the USA were told in 1967 that measles was to be eradicated in just that year alone with the measles vaccine. This was in a formally published statement “EPIDEMIOLOGIC BASIS FOR ERADICATION OF MEASLES IN 1967 A Statement By the Public Health Service” by David J. Sencer, M.D., H. Bruce Dull, M.D., Alexander D. Langmuir, M.D. PHR Vol. 82, No. 3, March 1967 253.# http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1919891/pdf/pubhealthreporig00027-0069.pdf

        This was going to lead to a “one-shot one kill” measles eradication for life for every man, woman and child in the world.

        It failed.

        They kept on with different vaccines during the 1970s.

        They failed, and failed again.

        In 1984 they tried again, rolling out vaccination drives in the USA but this time with the MMR vaccine and this was followed in many other countries in the mid-late 1980s.

        This failed. One shot was not enough.

        They tried two shots. So all children got a second MMR shot.

        And now this paper shows that is failing as a well, with the prospect of telling adults they need regular boosters. But if that happens with the MMR vaccine, then it is going to happen with all other vaccines eventually as it must. Pregnant women are already being given whooping cough vaccine. Everyone is being pressed to have an annual flu vaccine. It will happen for chicken-pox vaccine and many more.

        That is a 51 year history of failure. But it is still the unvaccinated who are to blame according to these fanatics. These people are like small children losing a game who accuse the winner of cheating, throwing all their toys out of the baby buggy. But the winners are not winners but American children the CDC harms daily.

        Read more:
        http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/04/12/us-mmr-measles-vaccine-failing-vaccinated-new-yorker-causes-measles-outbreak-in-other-vaccinated-new-yorkers-not-an-unvaccinated-child/

        Below we have the same thing that was found in the pertussis baboon study; only this time it is in regard to the measles vaccine. Continuation of pathogen transmission, regardless of vaccination status and remaining asymptomatic. They need to get to doing mores such studies. Being the self proclaimed purveyors of all the needed science; you know you all can continue to say anything you want to say. Perhaps the reality of what really goes on would be in order of sinking in at some point? The vested interest in vaccines so called authorities will never admit to it; nor any of this. They are misleading and continue to mislead the public on all levels.

        Vaccines Are Causing Measles. Child Who Caught Measles From Vaccine Was Shedding Live Vaccine Measles Virus In Throat and Urine
        http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/04/26/more-vaccine-failures-measlesmmr-vaccines-cause-measles-child-who-caught-measles-from-vaccine-was-shedding-live-vaccine-measles-virus-in-throat-and-urine/

        Ever Continuing Worldwide Vaccine Failures – Australia Joins UK & USA In the Whooping Cough Vaccine Fail Club [Again]
        http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/2014/04/15/ever-continuing-worldwide-vaccine-failures-australia-joins-uk-usa-in-the-whooping-cough-vaccine-fail-club-again/

        Mounting Evidence Shows Many Vaccines are Ineffective and Contribute to Rise of Outbreaks Caused by Mutated Viruses
        http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/30/whooping-cough-vaccine.aspx

        Are Unvaccinated People Being Wrongly Blamed for New Outbreaks that are due to Faulty Vaccines?
        http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/are-unvaccinated-people-being-wrongly-blamed-for-new-outbreaks-that-are-due-to-faulty-vaccines/

        • Linda Tock

          But, as has been explained to you numerous times, the MMR doesn’t cause autism.

          The vaccine schedule isn’t associated with autism.

          You continue to link to bunk websites that have no scientific merit or value. You’re only showing to the other readers here that you have zero ability to evaluate what is and is not science.

          • You have nothing Tock. Nothing but junk science epidemiological studies done on one single vaccine the MMR, and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. Admit it. Is that all that is required to produce evidence and proof of vaccine safety? Then you just deny every bit of evidence that has ever been in front of you. I have more independent science and data than you can honestly make your through in hours and hours. Actually it is you that simply stinks at all of this, Tock; other than to keep on throwing only false discreditation at everything, while lying to and deceiving the public with your lacking any evidence and much more adequate evidence to and for your endlessly delusional claims.

            VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US? (A well done analysis, wake up, Tock)

            We have 16 studies already that clearly state that vaccines do not cause autism.”
            — Amy Pisani, Executive Director, Every Child By Two

            “16 studies have shown no causal association between vaccines and autism, and these
            studies carry weight in the scientific industry.”
            — Dr. Nancy Snyderman, NBC Today Show Medical Editor

            “The science is largely complete. Ten epidemiological studies have shown MMR vaccine
            doesn’t cause autism; six have shown thimerosal doesn’t cause autism.”
            — Dr. Paul Offit, “Autism’s False Prophets”

            Read more:
            http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

            • Dorit Reiss

              You can examine the detailed report by the Institute of Medicine in 2013, which concluded the schedule is safe, examining the studies in detail, including for MMR: http://www.nap.edu/openbook.php?record_id=13563&page=R1

              Or you can examine the 2011 report that looked at adverse event and concluded autism was not caused by vaccines, after looking at all of them: http://www.iom.edu/Reports/2011/Adverse-Effects-of-Vaccines-Evidence-and-Causality.aspx

              This is based on extensive study of the question – study which found nothing linking vaccines and autism, regardless of the hypothesis used. See: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2908388/

              There is no evidence supporting the vaccines cause autism hypothesis, and plenty of evidence on the other side – and increasing evidence that autism is prenatal.

            • Linda Tock

              ….and the MMR never contained thimerosal.

              Furthermore, with the exception of the multidose flu vaccine, there’s no thimerosal in any vaccine on the childhood schedule.

              Funny how you can never seem to remember the simplest things about vaccines, Lowell.

            • Sullivan ThePoop

              You can’t forget what you never knew and that one knows nothing at all about this topic.

            • Who the hell ever said the MMR vaccine contain Thimerosal? I SAID, the only large scale epidemiological studies that have been done, are only in regard to the MMR vaccine, and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. Are your reading comprehension skills actually that poor, Tock?

            • Matt Zukowski

              “Who the hell ever said the MMR vaccine contain Thimerosal?”

              You did.

              ” I SAID”

              Yes you said.

              /Nothing but junk science epidemiological studies done on one single vaccine the MMR, and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal. /

              Thimerosal was NEVER in MMR nor any live vaccine. And you are about as stupid as Jenny McCarthy who claims her child got autism from Thimerosal in MMR.

            • You complete dumbass, that is not what the wording says nor states. Anyone that has been around the vaccine issue as long as I have clearly knows that live vaccines such as the MMR can not have Thimerosal in them, as it will deactivate the vaccine. You are so mind boggling entirely twisted and uneducated that you likely did not even realize that those are the only two issues that have ever been studied with those larger epidemiological studies. Go look at your so called science and realize that I am entirely right.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “that is not what the wording says nor states”

              Two people read it that way you lying piece of shit.

              /Nothing but junk science epidemiological studies done on one single vaccine the MMR, and one single vaccine ingredient, Thimerosal./

              If they only studied one vaccine and one vaccine ingredient that would be from the same vaccine wouldn’t it? That is unless that ingredient was from a different vaccine in which case that would be more than one vaccine studied.

              Now a honest person would say “I phrased that poorly” which happens to the best of us. But not you because you’re an alcoholic who can’t stand to be corrected. This has stunted your emotional development which explains why you are the man you are, a pathetic vile piece of shit who can’t take responsibility for himself. The 4 DUIs are NOT your fault because the last one was a conspiracy. The shoplifting, not your fault because you were on Paxil, and drinking, and taking the herbal supplements you stole. The bike you stole, it “looked” abandoned, outside a bar.

              ” Go look at your so called science and find out that I am right.”

              Classic shifting the burden of proof. You don’t have the evidence yourself and somehow it’s MY job to prove or disprove the crap that comes out of your mouth. Pathetic Lowell.

            • Linda Tock

              Except that we have large studies that span the entire schedule, and all those vaccines were tested prior to their introduction.

              At this point, you’re only making a fool of yourself.

            • Linda Tock

              Except we’ve got large studies which have examined the entire schedule..

              Once again, you lose Lowell.

            • Your lying Tock, and you know that you are lying. There is no study whatsoever, and certainly as well no large study that has EVER examined the entire vaccine schedule!!! Never. How is it that anyone loses, just because you think you can just keep feeding your large dose of misinformation to readers that you think will not even bother to question it?

              Offits version of the known AAP study that only looked at vaccine antigen numbers, and without looking at the whole vaccine and their ingredients, and as well combined level of ingredients, simply is nothing but junk science. That would be nothing more than to claim to that vaccines are nothing more than sterile water and a bit of antigen; which largely irresponsible and of course a simply preposterous claim. Dietary and environmental exposure to neurotoxins is as well not the same thing as injecting them; and to claim to that they are one and the same is the equivalent of being entirely ignorant of human physiology.

              Ph.D. Scientist, Brian Hooker, calls the recent CDC vaccine and autism risk study “flawed”
              http://www.examiner.com/article/ph-d-scientist-calls-the-recent-cdc-vaccine-and-autism-risk-study-flawed

              Can We Trust the CDC Claim that There is No Link Between Vaccines and Autism?
              http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/can-we-trust-the-cdc-claim-that-there-is-no-link-between-vaccines-and-autism/

              Here is some more recent information which is of interest. Just trust the CDC, right?

              Brian Hooker,1 Janet Kern,2,3 David Geier,2 Boyd Haley,4 Lisa Sykes,5 Paul King,5 and Mark Geier2

              Review Article

              Methodological Issues and Evidence of Malfeasance in Research Purporting to Show Thimerosal in Vaccines Is Safe

              Abstract

              There are over 165 studies that have focused on Thimerosal, an organic-mercury (Hg) based compound, used as a preservative in many childhood vaccines, and found it to be harmful. Of these, 16 were conducted to specifically examine the effects of Thimerosal on human infants or children with reported outcomes of death; acrodynia; poisoning; allergic reaction; malformations; auto-immune reaction; Well’s syndrome; developmental delay; and neurodevelopmental disorders, including tics, speech delay, language delay, attention deficit disorder, and autism. In contrast, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention states that Thimerosal is safe and there is “no relationship between [T]himerosal[-]containing vaccines and autism rates in children.” This is puzzling because, in a study conducted directly by CDC epidemiologists, a 7.6-fold increased risk of autism from exposure to Thimerosal during infancy was found. The CDC’s current stance that Thimerosal is safe and that there is no relationship between Thimerosal and autism is based on six specific published epidemiological studies coauthored and sponsored by the CDC. The purpose of this review is to examine these six publications and analyze possible reasons why their published outcomes are so different from the results of investigations by multiple independent research groups over the past 75+ years.

              http://www.hindawi.com/journals/bmri/2014/247218/

              CDC’s Vaccine Safety Research is Exposed as Flawed and Falsified in Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal

              Substantial Scientific Evidence Exists that Vaccine Ingredient is a Developmental Neurotoxin

              http://finance.yahoo.com/news/cdcs-vaccine-safety-research-exposed-115600020.html

            • Linda Tock

              More bullshit websites, I see.

              Examiner? That’s not science.

              HealthImpactNews? Not science.

              Face it Lowell, you’ve got no evidence to support your claims – only the inane ramblings of lunatics like yourself.

              Even the IOM knows the schedule is safe.

            • Just because you make denial of the evidence of every vaccine fact on earth and source for it; does not make it a bullshit site nor bullshit information. Simply making attempts at false discreditation of the information source, without any address and direct refute of the actual information, is essentially and actually worthless in any form of a real and honest debate.

              Here is a small example of the real science that people like you ignore.

              Journal of Toxicology-Research Article

              The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels, (full study)

              http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/

              Aluminum Induced Immunoexcitotoxicity in Neurodevelopmental and Neurodegenerative Disorders

              http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum-Blaylock.pdf

              Journal of American Nutraceutical Association 6: 21-35, 2003.

              Interaction of Cytokines, Excitotoxins, and Reactive Nitrogen and Oxygen Species in Autism Spectrum Disorders, Russell Blaylock, MD* Medical Director, Advanced Nutritional Concepts Ridgeland, Mississippi

              http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=1084

              Autism Spectrum Disorders and Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants

              http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-4788-7_89

              Review

              Empirical Data Confirm Autism Symptoms Related to Aluminum and Acetaminophen Exposure

              http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/Entropy/entropy-14-02227.pdf

              N Am J Med Sci. 2009 July; 1(2): 28–47.

              What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature?

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/

              Slow CCL2-dependent translocation of biopersistent particles from muscle to brain

              http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/99

              The NALP3 inflammasome is involved in neurotoxic prion peptide-induced microglial activation

              http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/9/1/73/abstract

              Neuro-inflammation, blood-brain barrier, seizures and autism

              Theoharis C Theoharides1234* and Bodi Zhang12

              http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/8/1/168

              Evidence of oxidative damage and inflammation associated with low glutathione redox status in the autism brain

              http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

              Biol Trace Elem Res. 2013 Feb;151(2):171-80. doi: 10.1007/s12011-012-9551-1. Epub 2012 Nov 29.

              Toxicological status of children with autism vs. neurotypical children and the association with autism severity.

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23192845

              Toxicological & Environmental Chemistry

              Volume 94, Issue 8, 2012

              Maternal transfer of mercury to the developing embryo/fetus: is there a safe level? (Flu shots with Thimerosal)

              http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02772248.2012.724574#.UuF482Tna2V

              Ann Clin Psychiatry. 2009 Jul-Sep;21(3):148-61.

              Phenotypic expression of autoimmune autistic disorder (AAD): a major subset of autism.

              http://www.aacp.com/pdf%2F2103%2F2103ACP_Research1.pdf

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19758536

              A Parent’s Primer: Vasculitis and Vaccines, (More inflammation problems, likely due to the aluminum adjuvants, this time its in the blood vessels. Referenced)

              http://sanevax.org/a-parents-primer-vasculitis-and-vaccines/

              Numerous studies regarding the MMR vaccine

              http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

              Computational Detection of Homologous Recombination Hotspots in X-Chromosome Autism Associated Genes

              Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute, Seattle, WA

              http://download.pdf-world.net/Computational-Detection-of-Homologous-Recombination-Hotspots-in-X-download-w4554.html

              For Scientific Data: Homologous Recombination Study

              http://www.cogforlife.org/SCPIIMFARHR.pdf

              Autism

              The dangers of using aborted fetal cell lines for vaccine manufacture have been debated by the FDA for over 50 years, and yet they have not done sufficient safety studies. The active component of a vaccine is a virus. Viruses are too large to manufacture in test tubes. Therefore, vaccine manufacturers exploit the natural method of producing virus– they inoculate

              cells and the cells produce the virus for them. Each vial of vaccine contains contaminants from the cells used to make the virus. When we use animal cells to make viruses, the residual material is not human and so we mount an immune response to it and eliminate it. However, in the case of vaccines produced using aborted human fetal cell lines, we have the dangers of triggering an autoimmune response and insertion of the contaminating DNA to disrupt the child’s own genes.

              In the US, autism has spiked up in 3 distinct years, called changepoints. The first changepoint occurred in 1981, the second in 19881, and the third in 1996. These spikes coincide with the introduction of vaccines that are produced in aborted fetal cells. In 1979, aborted fetal cell produced MMR II was approved in the US. Compliance campaigns brought MMR II use up from as low as 49% for children born before 1987 to over 82% for children born in 1989 and later. A second dose of MMR II was also introduced to the vaccination schedule for children born in 1988 and later. The third changepoint corresponds to the approval of aborted fetal cell produced Varivax (chickenpox) in 1995 (See figure below).

              Read more: http://soundchoice.org/autism/

            • Linda Tock

              Why should I waste my time refuting poor science?

              Your links speak for themselves – they’re a hodgepodge of discredited researchers desperately attempting to fool folks into buying into their alt-med treatments, their books and other merchandise.

            • That is about the most mislead, in denial, and delusional statement you could ever make, in light of the actual study evidence in front of you, Tock.

              If you people were actually the purveyors of science that you say you are; you could come up with matching studies to at least attempt to refute those studies with; but you have none in regard to those actually very important and specific vaccine subject matters. None of those researchers have ever been actually discredited; as a fact.

              Just like I told you; you can never directly address nor can you in honesty refute anything as to those studies; nor much of anything else here, actually. All you ever offer is only in denial, false discreditation.

              Go ahead and take each study and see if you can produce anything at all which directly discredits those studies, or the directly authors? I don’t want to hear any dumb garbage, nor anything like; “oh they sell or sold something, thus their discredited”. I am wondering if you even have a clue as to in reality just how pathetic you look right now, Tock?

              I have already refuted all of the existing larger and so called and believed top epidemiological studies with this single and well done analysis document right here. Anyone that does not believe me; all they need to do is read through it and realize exactly what I mean.

              VACCINES AND AUTISM – WHAT DO EPIDEMIOLOGICAL STUDIES REALLY TELL US?
              http://www.rescuepost.com/files/vaccines-and-autism-epidemiology-rebuttal.pdf

            • Linda Tock

              The Geiers? Really?

              The doctor that’s had his license revoked or suspended in EVERY SINGLE STATE he’s EVER been licensed in?

              His son, who was charged with practicing medicine without a license?

              Those are your ‘scientists’? Safeminds? The folks who have been teaming up with Dr. Lee to sell HPV DNA detection kits?

              Yeah, that’s really reputable – NOT.

              And that attempt at a ‘takedown’ of epidemiology – absolutely HILARIOUS.

              Someone’s once again digging at the bottom of the ‘what if’ barrel.

              Skyes? She couldn’t plot her way out of a wet paper bag.

            • And that was the best you could do again, as to those studies; is to pick out one set of authors and throw mud and poo at it? And actually Skyes is right on target with her part in the studies that have been done. You just are not educated enough to the mechanisms of vaccine injury, to realize it.

              The Geiers, are only attacked because their notoriety and notable focus on biomedical treatment. Just because they advocated an autism treatment that I as well certainly do not support, as there are better ways; does NOT mean this study is wrong, incorrect; and nor discredited for any such reason. Actually read the study, and realize as well the many other participants/authors in that study. can you actually address and or refute the said study itself. Of course you can’t.

              Biomarkers of environmental toxicity and susceptibility in autism☆

              David A. Geier a, b,
              Janet K. Kernc, d,
              Carolyn R. Garverc,
              James B. Adamse,
              Tapan Audhyaf,
              Robert Natafg,
              Mark R. Geier h,

              Abstract

              Autism spectrum disorders (ASDs) may result from a combination of genetic/biochemical susceptibilities in the form of a reduced ability to excrete mercury and/or increased environmental exposure at key developmental times. Urinary porphyrins and transsulfuration metabolites in participants diagnosed with an ASD were examined. A prospective, blinded study was undertaken to evaluate a cohort of 28 participants with an ASD diagnosis for Childhood Autism Rating Scale (CARS) scores, urinary porphyrins, and transsulfuration metabolites. Testing was conducted using Vitamin Diagnostics, Inc. (CLIA-approved) and Laboratoire Philippe Auguste (ISO-approved). Participants with severe ASDs had significantly increased mercury intoxication-associated urinary porphyrins (pentacarboxyporphyrin, precoproporphyrin, and coproporphyrin) in comparison to participants with mild ASDs, whereas other urinary porphyrins were similar in both groups. Significantly decreased plasma levels of reduced glutathione (GSH), cysteine, and sulfate were observed among study participants relative to controls. In contrast, study participants had significantly increased plasma oxidized glutathione (GSSG) relative to controls. Mercury intoxication-associated urinary porphyrins were significantly correlated with increasing CARS scores and GSSG levels, whereas other urinary porphyrins did not show these relationships. The urinary porphyrin and CARS score correlations observed among study participants suggest that mercury intoxication is significantly associated with autistic symptoms. The transsulfuration abnormalities observed among study participants indicate that mercury intoxication was associated with increased oxidative stress and decreased detoxification capacity.

              http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022510X08004310

              Evidence of oxidative damage and inflammation associated with low glutathione redox status in the autism brain
              S Rose1, S Melnyk1, O Pavliv1, S Bai1, T G Nick1, R E Frye1 and S J James1
              1Department of Pediatrics, University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences, Arkansas Children’s Hospital Research Institute, Little Rock, AR, USA
              Accepted 31 May 2012
              http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

              Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons Volume 9
              Chronic Microglial Activation and Excitotoxicity Secondary to Excessive Immune Stimulation: Possible Factors in Gulf War Syndrome and Autism
              The Role of Excitotoxicity
              The Role of Vaccines, page 49
              http://www.jpands.org/vol9no2/blaylock.pdf

              Ann Neurol. 2005 Jan;57(1):67-81.
              Neuroglial activation and neuroinflammation in the brain of patients with autism.
              Vargas DL, Nascimbene C, Krishnan C, Zimmerman AW, Pardo CA.
              Source: Department of Neurology, Johns Hopkins University School of Medicine, 600 North Wolfe Street, Baltimore, MD
              http://www.neuro.jhmi.edu/neuroimmunopath/pdf/4%20Neuroglial%20activation%20and%20neuroinflammation%20in%20the%20brain%20of%20patients%20with%20autism.pdf

              Curr Med Chem. 2013;20(32):4030-6.
              Autoimmune (auto-inflammatory) syndrome induced by adjuvants (ASIA)–animal models as a proof of concept.
              Cruz-Tapias P, Agmon-Levin N, Israeli E, Anaya JM, Shoenfeld Y.
              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23992328

              Microglia in the developing brain: A potential target with lifetime effects

              a National Toxicology Program Laboratory, National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences, Research Triangle Park, NC,

              http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0161813X12000277

              Journal of the Neurological Sciences
              Volume 280, Issues 1–2, 15 May 2009, Pages 101–108
              Biomarkers of environmental toxicity and susceptibility in autism
              http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0022510X08004310

              Immune-Glutamatergic Dysfunction as a Central Mechanism of the Autism Spectrum Disorders
              http://www.utdallas.edu/~mxa049000/lessons/research/literature/Autism/new/Blaylock%20autism%20rev%20CMC%2009.pdf

              Is Encephalopathy a Mechanism to Renew Sulfate in Autism?
              Stephanie Seneff 1,*, Ann Lauritzen 2 , Robert M. Davidson 3 and Laurie Lentz-Marino 4

              Entropy; Jan2013, Vol. 15 Issue 1, p372

              Abstract excerpt: Given these facts, dietary and lifestyle changes, including increased sulfur ingestion, organic whole foods, increased sun exposure, and avoidance of toxins such as aluminum, mercury, and lead, may help to alleviate symptoms or, in some instances, to prevent autism altogether.

              http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/15/1/372

              Entropy 2012, 14(8), 1399-1442; doi:10.3390/e14081399
              Review
              The Initial Common Pathway of Inflammation, Disease, and Sudden Death
              Robert M. Davidson 1,* and Stephanie Seneff
              http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/8/1399

              The Initial Common Pathway of Inflammation, Disease, and Sudden Death, (full study source)
              Pay particular attention to reading pages, Page 414-415 in regard to vaccine aluminum adjuvants, and as well pages 419-420 in regard to Gardasil.
              Sources: http://www.mdpi.com/1099-4300/14/8/1399

              http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/Entropy/Entropy1_downloaded.pdf

              Death after Quadrivalent Human Papillomavirus (HPV) Vaccination: Causal or Coincidental?

              Conclusions: Our study suggests that HPV vaccines containing HPV-16L1 antigens pose an inherent risk for
              triggering potentially fatal autoimmune vasculopathies.

              http://www.rescuepost.com/files/ltshaw-death-after-quadrivalent-hpv-vaccination-pharma-reg-affairs-2012.pdf

            • Linda Tock

              All this time and you still don’t understand how the authorship of a study is ranked, do you?

              First author, last author – responsible for the overwhelming majority of the work in the paper. Responsible for accuracy, integrity and ethics.

              Let’s see how ‘broad’ an author pool you actually have.

              First link: Geier and Geier. Total trash.

              Second link: S. Rose and S. J James.

              This study has nothing to do with vaccines, by the way. I guess you needed some ‘filler’ to make your list look more impressive.

              3rd link: Blaylock – not a credible researcher, not a credible journal. Again, trash.

              4th link: Vargas and Pardo – again, this study has nothing to do with vaccines. It’s a desperate attempt to fling bullshit against the wall to see what sticks.

              5th link: Cruz-Tapias and Schoenfeld. The only people who seem to find an ‘ASIA’ syndrome are Schoenfeld’s group. No one else anywhere has been able to replicate his findings. Not compelling evidence.

              6th link: Harry and Kraft – again, this study has nothing to do with vaccines.

              7th link: Blaylock and Strunecka – circle file this one – as was previously mentioned, Blaylock is not a reputable researcher

              8th link – seneff and lentz-marino I find it fascinating that people publish ‘vaccine’ science regarding autism in a journal which has NOTHING to do with either.

              You know what THAT means? Their paper didn’t get accepted by ANY JOURNAL IN THEIR FIELD.

              That’s a good indication that the study is bullshit.

              9th link: Davidson and Seneff: again – why are they publishing in Entropy?
              Oh that’s right – because no reputable journal will take them.

              10th link: Tomlijenovic and Shaw. That’s another instant ‘circle file’.

              So you’ve done your usual – cite studies which have nothing to do with vaccines and autism, linked to the same little group of researchers all of whom have a vested interest in discouraging vaccination (lupron therapy for the geiers, supplements for blaylock, etc) and yet somehow you find them credible.

              They’re not credible. They’re not scientists.

            • notation

              Tock just handed you your ass.

            • Really? How is lying about the vaccine truth and ignoring every bit of actual and independent science showing the vaccine connection to autism, handing me my ass? You really are one literally brain dead dolt; and do not even attempt to deny it. And how far into denial and blinded with complete ignorance would a person need to be to actually believe what you just stated, noteshill? Dumb.

            • notation

              What “lies” has Tock told? Not a single one.

              You are simply a crackpot who has an alcohol habit. Where have you been, Bubbles? Did you just get out of the drunk tank?

            • MattZuke

              The only liar here is you Lowell. Just like your shoplifting, your bike stealing, your DUIs. You’re off the reservation, off your rocker, a few bits shy of a dollar, cracked, wacko, insane, brain damaged, jelly brained, insane in the membrane, wacko jacko, nuttier than a fruit cake, and patently stupid beyond belief.

              You literally presented NO evidence what so ever vaccines are attributed to a higher risk of ASD. You might have a crap flood of links but you literally can’t read. You have a reading and comprehension disorder. You might claim to read at the college level but you’re over 50 and used alcohol to address your anxiety disorder and now your brain is addled. I find it hard to believe you were ever in high school but if you were your brain must have been in better shape.

              And before you claim you’re protecting the children you’re a drunk driver. You drank all day and drove all day. You don’t give a flying crap about anyone beyond yourself.

            • And your very sick and disgusting arse keeps repeating that like a playing and broken record. How many times have you stated that, and which you actually as well have no clue about 12 years ago. How many times have you falsely used the accusation and term, of being liar? Any such issues are entirely irrelevant to the subject matter of vaccines and only constitute a sick and repeated personal attack. And who am I today, Zukeshill? Quite clearly and obviously a far better man than you. Your severely psychotic level of mental illness and your sick level of personally attacking and depraved evil, is all quite evident, Mr Zukowski. You are clearly a very twisted and sick man. The depths of your obvious and putrid level of depravity do not belong published on the internet anywhere, period.

            • Boris Ogon

              Any such issues are entirely irrelevant to the subject matter of vaccines and only constitute a sick and repeated personal attack.

              Enough, you posturing, repetitive halfwit.

              1. Consider a disease that confers no meaningful immunity, but for which there is a vaccine.

              2. Suppose that one has x% chance of contracting this disease over time without the vaccine.

              3. Further suppose that the vaccine is y% effective over time.

              4. Tell me what the expected mean time between individual bouts of the illness is in terms of x and y.

              Don’t give me any “sick and twisted” shit, demonstrate that you comprehend high-school mathematics. If you cannot, anything you “say” about anything bearing on infectious diseases is merely pissing on your shoes again.

            • Boris Ogon

              And frankly, I’m pretty sure that you’d try to “figure out” a way to blame somebody else for your soiling yourself.

            • You can not form a claim nor a hypothesis unless you are using actual facts. You can not form a mathematical equation to determine actual vaccine effectiveness and nor as to the vaccine injury and harm risks; because it clearly does not and has not worked that way in real life, much to your obvious confusion, Borshill. The real and independent science shows us exactly what vaccines are doing, and again obviously much to your dismay and complete denial. The real historical record as well shows and tells us how ineffective vaccines have actually been, and as well how badly we have been mislead by sources such as the CDC, AAP, and WHO.

              The only person pissing on anyone’s shoes here, is you pissing on your own. What you have yourself right there in front of you, is some sick and twisted shit; and guess who wrote it; you did. It never stops amazing me how in complete denial mindless, replies from shills like you can get; and literally nothing put in front of you would ever be enough to show and prove you wrong. No matter what.. .

            • Boris Ogon

              You can not form a claim nor a hypothesis unless you are using actual facts.

              I am using actual facts, dipshit. They are your assertions.

            • I have seen and read your CDC, AAP, and WHO misinformation; and I have countered it all repeatedly with the real information and a large amount of it. I am not going to rehash anything that has already been answered, and which you simply refuse to accept the data and the information. What has been put forth here over and over again is clearly far more than any personal assertion. To claim to that, and to ignore all that and then to just simply go back to the same old false claims, and in light of that real information, quite obviously shows exactly who the real dipshit is. Is the independent science and the studies showing what is actually happening, thus simply and only false assertions as well?

              Tell me Borshill? In regard to naturally acquired pertussis and resulting recovery and natural immunity; do those people that acquire that immunity still shed the pathogen when exposed and challenged, and when yet remaining asymptomatic? You know as was found in the recent and known baboon study in regard to the vaccinated? Just wondering if you had the answer?

              The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

            • MattZuke

              “How many times have you falsely used the accusation and term, of being liar?”

              You are a liar. Your 4th DUI you claim was a conspiracy and that a “high level investigator” found out that the cop and 7 other people were paid off to give you a false BAC of .138%. You can’t name this person, nor can you name what their job was. This makes you a liar.

              Same deal with your assassination attempt. You claim the CEO of Sanford spent $75,000 to put a hit on you, but you thwarted this attempt with an “insane clown posse”. You can not provide a police report number even though you claim the cops were at your house and there is always a record. This makes you a liar.

              “Quite clearly and obviously a far better man than you”

              Really. I’ve never shoplifted unless you count a Sears catalog which I didn’t know cost money. That was a mistake I made when I was 14. You were in your 40s when you were shoplifting. I can say I was young and didn’t know better because I actually didn’t. You admit you shoplifted for kicks. You have 4 fucking DUIs where I have none. I have never stolen a bike and in fact reported lost bikes. I notified the police, the bike shop that sold it, put an ad in the paper, and flyers. You just took it. I’ve never been in prison and there are no crimes under my belt that would justify it. You are scum of the earth, and while I might not be perfect I’m not scum like you.

              More over you seem to have a unique knowledge of pedophiles. This seems a bit odd that you know these things and don’t report them to the cops, or the newspapers, or your representative. Now I can give you the benefit of the doubt and say you’re just a liar and you’re using this to get attention. I don’t want to think what the alternative explanation is.

              “You are clearly a very twisted and sick man.”

              How am I twisted. You’re a fucking criminal man. You’re a delusional nutjob who thinks he knows better than most of the doctors and researchers on the planet.

            • MattZuke

              Flagging my posts as spam is pretty useless. All I need to do is say @skepticalraptor:disqus the insane alcoholic is butthurt can you unflag please.

              This form of abuse wouldn’t normally be tolerated but the admin accepts that you’re such a pathetic loser that you actually help parents choose to vaccinate and it keeps your drunk ass off the road. Allowing you to be a spaz protects children.

            • How would you know anything was flagged unless you have access to the control board of this blog, fool? This form of abuse??? As if you are some innocent bystander. What a completely twisted hypocrite. There has not been any recent flagging and as I said in the previous post that would be useless anyway as the editor of this blog favors personal attacks on anyone putting forth any form of vaccine truth, just like the other such blogs do such as the nosciencethere based, Gorski blog etc. Funny how that works isn’t it; vaccine truth blogs and or websites usually always run a clean system of not allowing personal attacks to even get started, and as well all of that is deleted, but what is debated in good faith. You see the vaccine truther’s do not need to resort to what you repeatedly provoke on this so called blog. In fact unlike you, those people simply and in honesty want to put forth and debate the actual facts and science. All you want to do is deny the facts and attempt to silence the truth.

              And as to your twisted claim that what I do actually helps parents vaccinate is a delusional as it could ever get. In fact in my experience in the fed back I get, just the opposite is clearly true. There is nothing you will not cause you mind to be deluded with. If that were true, you, Boris, and notation would not be as obsessed with me personally and as obsessed with attempting to personally attack me, censor, track me through Discus, and stop the vaccine truth I promote, as you are. What is really happening is that you are being exposed for just how deep in the lies and denial you really are. For any parent/s and individuals looking for and researching the vacine truth; that in itself will only make them distrusting and search all the harder in regard to what you are trying to ignore and hide from. You are not fooling anyone but yourself.

            • Boris Ogon

              How would you know anything was flagged unless you have access to the control board of this blog, fool?

              The “control board”? I can tell you if any of anybody’s last 100 activity entries have standing flags. Go figure out what an API is, Lodwill.

            • I find nothing on that, Borshill, and I am the editor of two blogs and a website. Zuke, is all to obviously nothing but a twisted mad man that makes it up has he goes; with 95% of what he reply posts being nothing but personal attacks and irrelevant to the subject matter of vaccines to begin with.

            • Boris Ogon

              I find nothing on that, Borshill, and I am the editor of two blogs and a website.

              You “find nothing on” what? I’m talking about the fucking Disqus API. Here’s a giant fucking hint: aside from the fact that you’re not the “editor” of anything, but just some absolute bottom-of-the-barrel fantast about being an antivaccine celebrity, the “control panel” (of whatever the fuck you’re trying to refer to) has nothing the fuck to do with what I said:

              Go figure out what an API is, Lodwill.

              Does this need fucking <blink> tags or something?

            • I clearly know what you said, and as I responded directly to it, Borshill Fuds.

              Quite obviously as well you have a great amount of difficulty in determining what is a relevant argument. But then people like you have always done nothing but argue just to argue.

              Its interesting as well that you think you can evaluate the value of something you have likely never seen. It wouldn’t matter anyway because in your hatred of the vaccine facts and truth, you would still lie about it all, and make it up as you go.

            • What, is Mr Boris being berated and beaten down at his own game so badly that the editor now needs remove my reply posts to save face? I already responded to this, and where is it? The vaccine debate game can not be played on an equal playing field, really?

              I know exactly what you are said and were talking about, and I responded to it directly. In all of the Discus information, there is and was nothing found on it regardless of switching up search terms.

              Quite obviously you have a great deal of difficulty in determining what is a relevant argument; but then that is so typical of the vaccine shills. They argue just to argue.

              Its amazing as well that you think you can judge something I put forth and that likely you have never seen. I am actually very good at what I do, and as to the needed research. As I said, you wouldn’t be as obsessed with it and me as you are, and following me on Discus, if it weren’t exactly so. .

            • Boris Ogon

              I know exactly what you are said and were talking about, and I responded to it directly.

              If by directly running the fuck away while babbling incoherently, sure. Exactly what me did said and were having been talked about comprised two items. The first was a high-school-level math question to see whether you had even the rudimentary skills to evaluate any quantitative question.

              You began gibbering incoherently about “models.”

              The second was a direct follow-up to your assertion that you knew “exactly” the difference between hepatitis A and B. Rather than trying to conjure up even the semblance of a response to suggest that you might have the slightest fucking clue, you again just started raving and pointing anywhere but at the fact that no, you were and remain utterly clue-free on the very topic you figured you’d try to explicitly boast about.

              In all of the Discus information, there is and was nothing found on it regardless of switching up search terms.

              What the fuck do you think you’re even trying to talk about at this point in the collapse? Did it ever occur to you that the capital letters actually meant something?

              These comments would have died a merciful death some time ago if you didn’t feel obliged to ooze back in over and over when you think nobody’s paying attention in order to try to declare victory. But then again, it’s seems as though it’s the only real attention that you can get. Your whole fucking trip is pathetic.

            • This extended rant is again nothing but a complete lunatic rant, and its not worth anything. When are you going to start comprehending that this kind of thing is only a further testament to the fact that all of you shills are the actual lunatics and not the vaccine truth people that you call antivaccine. If the vaccines had actually worked as advertised and if they had been as effective as advertised, and without causing far more harm than good in to many now endless known cases; no-one would likely ever be against the use of vaccines. Big pharma and its cohorts the CDC, AAP etc.are what have created this situation, and not the people who promote the vaccine truth! Lunatics like you Borshill are simply there in the attempt for whatever reason and for whoever the need be for, to keep the public mislead.

              As for the below. Unlike you I have no interest in the development and nor any system nor app that does nothing for you but help you track, keep tabs on, and spy on people. I have no need for it.

              The Disqus Web API

              Welcome to the Disqus Web API. The API enables developers to communicate with Disqus data from within their own applications.

            • MattZuke

              “This extended rant is again nothing but a complete lunatic rant, and its not worth anything”

              Because you have a reading and comprehension disorder. Boris points out that you are a coward and run away when asked some simple questions about math. This means you don’t have the math skills of a child. This is a relevant point.

              “no-one would likely ever be against the use of vaccines”

              This is some shitty logic. If automobiles were so awesome no one would be opposed to them. Except people are opposed to them. Same deal with seat belts. This is known as an appeal to popularity. Just because vaccine denialism is popular doesn’t make it so. Just like holocaust denialsim doesn’t have any logical bearing on whether the holocaust happened, as with the moon landings, 9/11, whatever.

            • MattZuke

              “Unlike you I have no interest in the development and nor any system nor app that does nothing for you but help you track, keep tabs on, and spy on people. I have no need for it.”

              Except you maintain a forum, so you concede the point. Most people who are sane would totally want software to help address abusive users. You are an abusive user. But as long as you accept you are too ignorant to talk about Disqus’s API why are you still trying to assert something about something you admit you’re clueless about?

              To most of who are sane we can be corrected. If I were to say ‘the only way you’d know that is if you ran the forum’ and I was pointed out two ways I could know that without running the forum I would say, “Oh, I stand corrected”. But you’re not sane. There is something seriously wrong with you that stunts your emotional development.

            • MattZuke

              Wow, responses are missing, and the alcoholic will claim he didn’t do that. @skepticalraptor:disqus please unflag.

              Here’s the bottom line Lowell. We here at the very least have some experience with HTML and managing a webserver. Other people here are more advanced and actually get into software and scripts. You’re literally a joker who bashes on his keyboard randomly having no sodding clue what’s going on.

              The ironic thing is you concede you’re clueless claiming running forums you have no need of these features. Well actually moderation does require these features to deal with users like you who are abusive, and flagging comments is abusive. I know you’ll kick and scream about me calling you a brain damaged alcoholic or a drug addled loon or absolute scum of the earth but these things are not abusive. You are all these things and the person who maintains this form has no issue what so ever asserting that you don’t have the acumen to be trailer trash.

              Most of us with sanity can accept corrections. If I said “there is only one way you would know that” and two people pointed two other ways I’d say “I stand corrected”. But not you because you’re a pathetic little man whose ego is so fragile you can’t admit drinking all day got you a DUI. How fucked is that? And even in your story you were driving around all over the place while drinking all fucking day. And you have the nerve to scream conspiracy? You were sent to fuck you up the arse prison for a good reason, because scumbags like you refuse to learn.

            • MattZuke

              @skepticalraptor:disqus Please unflag posts again as Lowell is butthurt.

            • Boris Ogon

              Unlike you I have no interest in the development and nor any system nor app that does nothing for you but help you track, keep tabs on, and spy on people. I have no need for it.

              Well, fuck, Lodwill, I take it then that you’re going to stop using Disqus.

            • Matthew Hunt

              Let me understand this. You’re the obsessed nut who keeps coming back here for attention suggesting clearly you have no real life to speak of. Yet it’s other people, not you, who are on a lunatic rant?

            • MattZuke

              “What, is Mr Boris being berated and beaten down at his own game so badly that the editor now needs remove my reply posts to save face?”

              No brain damaged alcoholic. The editor @skepticalraptor:disqus made it perfectly clear he want your posts to stand specifically because you fall on your face. This is how mentally ill you truly are. You are a clueless dolt, okay.

            • MattZuke

              ” I am the editor of two blogs and a website.”

              And you are fucking useless at both. You’re useless as an editor because you lack spelling and grammar skills not to speak of your lack of organization skills. You’re useless at websites because of your lack of organization skills.

              And you’re actually talking to people who who have at least SOME experience with HTML and running web servers. Your experience with Weebly doesn’t really compare on any level. In fact it can’t be said you maintain a website at all. You have a blog. You type in random shit and it gets displayed in an incoherent fashion.

            • MattZuke

              “How would you know anything was flagged unless you have access to the control board of this blog”

              Good old Lowell logic. Remember you’re a brain damaged. We have Skeptical Raptor himself warning you about false flagging of posts.

              “This form of abuse???”

              Yes, this is in direct violation of @skepticalraptor:disqus’s rules.

              “As if you are some innocent bystander.”

              You have a comprehension disorder. I’m not a bystander but a direct target of an attack. This is why you’re totally full of shit when you say you have a college reading level. You don’t know what a bystander is. I am an innocent VICTIM of your flagging campaign.

              “There has not been any recent flagging”

              But there has, you complained about your posts disappearing, so you’re just a liar. What is it with you brain damaged alcoholics. You claim no flagging then you claim the result of flagging with in moments.

        • Matt Zukowski

          “And the rate of autism is now at least 1 in 68. Nice trade”

          No Lowell. The rate of ASD is 1:68 according to some studies. And there is NO indication that vaccines contribute to autism.

          “Those inconvenient and pesky vaccine failures are everywhere, Zukowski.”

          Yet on the WHOLE rates are down, which wouldn’t be a failure would it?

          And I can’t really check out your medscape citation as it’s behind a subscription wall. But it doesn’t matter since mumps is down.

          • The problem is that there is an increasing bulwark of scientific studies out there that directly link vaccines to not only autism, but a large amount of vaccine injury in itself. You do not have to have autism, to be vaccine injured and thus vaccine harmed. It is not just about only autism.

            The evidence of vaccine failure is much larger with stronger evidence of it than it has ever been, Zukowski, and the fricken CDC can claim to anything and whatever they want.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “The problem is that there is an increasing bulwark of scientific studies”

              There are not, you are a liar.

              “The evidence of vaccine failure”

              Yeah, because a 99%+ reduction in measles is a failure right?

              This is where you lack of math kills really makes you look like an idiot. Roughly 80% of those who get measles in the US are NOT VACCINATED. And the few who do don’t have the same issues as those who are not vaccinated.

              This is the classic BUT IT’S NOT 100% SO IT’S WORTHLESS. No stupid piece of shit. MMR is actually pretty damned good. You’re just an insane alcoholic meat packer.

            • notation

              No there isn’t “an increasing bulwark” of any such thing.

              If you have to lie to prove your point, your point is moot.

        • Sullivan ThePoop

          The only problem is that they have nothing to do with each other. So no trade.

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      So, linking to whale.to is basically admitting you are completely ignorant on this topic. Then the vitamin C nonsense. In the US we get some 1,000x the recommended daily dose of vitamin C because abscorbic acid is one of the oldest and most commonly used preservatives in the world. How would adding anything to the excess have any effect?

      • Matt Zukowski

        John Scudamore RUNS whale.to. He’s the master pig farmer himself, though he doesn’t admit to being a big farmer, and frankly I honestly don’t know if that claim is true.

      • You take vitamin C in the encapsulated liposomic form which is nearly as well absorbed in the intestine as the levels you get with IV vitamin C.

        By the way; whale.to is an awesome source for the real historical information on vaccines and modern medicine. What, do you think it all was simply fabricated? Funny thing I have never seen anyone actually refute any historical data and recorded information that exists on that site. Because they can’t and they know they can’t. Its to much obvious truth.

        • Matt Zukowski

          “By the way; whale.to is an awesome source for the real historical information on vaccines”

          Not really.

          http://www.whale.to/b/mind_control.html
          http://www.whale.to/a/psychiatry_banners2.html

          • You are obviously confused in your lost and tongue slobbering blind to reality madness. Those pages are NOT from the vaccine and modern medicine section. They have nothing to do with the subject matter we are speaking of.

            This is an example of what exists there and that does consist of that section I referred to. Big difference.

            http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean.html

            http://www.whale.to/a/mcbean5.html

            • Matt Zukowski

              “You are obviously confused”

              More projection from the brain damaged alcoholic. This is what you’re citing as a good resource, a website that literally proposes Hitler was a British Agent, we have a Shadow Government of Shape Shifting Jewish Reptile overlords.

              “This is an example of what exists there”

              Yeah, derp published in 1958.

              “Big difference.”

              Only because you’re an idiot. It’s interesting you find it credible to suggest that the smallpox vaccine is actually syphilis. There are some key differences, syphilis is a bacterium. Smallpox is a virus (Variola major/minor). Cowpox is also a virus. This should be patently obvious to anyone who went to high school that syphilis is treated with antibiotics. More insane derp asserting “if it was so infectious why doesn’t everyone have it” which it’s chief mode of infection is by sex and NOT EVERYONE HAS SEX WITH EVERYONE.

              Sorry buttmunch, what you cite is NO different than the other conspiracy garbage on the cite. It may be historical, but it’s historical garbage even for 1958. Your alcohol addled brain can’t tell the difference between delusional conspiracy garbage and objective facts. You are insane.

            • eggman2

              We have a shadow government: Morticia and Gomez Addams are behind it. Who else could have such great ideas: stifle alternative energy sources while keeping nuclear energy and poisonous petroleum industries alive, help the pesticide polluters by allowing them to create pesticide dependent Franken-crops so the land becomes even more useless and people get more cancer, and, your favorite, inject young kids with useless and poisonous vaccines to destroy their brains , to name just a few ?

            • notation

              What a fucktard.

            • eggman2

              You have a fucked up head if you didn’t understand that one, bitch.

            • notation

              Thanks for confirming what everyone already suspected, you moron.

              Good going, there.

            • notation

              Hey, moron! Have you figured out the rules for use of “lie” and “lay” yet?

              Notify the media when this momentous event occurs!

            • notation

              Well, dear, then everyone must be in the same boat, since your statement was idiotic and unfathomable to anyone with a brain.

            • eggman2

              Yourself and your mama.

            • notation

              What’s the matter, Humpty Dumpty? Didn’t get laid?

            • eggman2

              You, your mama , and your handlers.

            • notation

              You, Uncle Fester, and It.

              When are you going to prove that penicillin causes polio, you pinhead?

            • notation

              Still waiting for that proof that penicillin causes polio. That’s what you claimed. Prove it.

            • eggman2

              It is rather simple, but it might be too much for your little brain swimming in that big and full of water head of yours ( It is called hydrocephalia. ) . So, I am afraid of hurting you.
              In the meantime , take Russian penicillin ( garlic ) . It is healthier for you, with a lot less side effects.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “modern medicine section”

              Yeah, 1958 citing stuff from 1912? Modern Medicine?

            • eggman2

              Not that there are any substantial improvements nowadays.

            • Boris Ogon

              You are obviously confused in your lost and tongue slobbering [what?] blind to reality madness. Those pages are NOT from the vaccine and modern medicine section.

              Lodwill, whale doesn’t have a “vaccine and modern medicine” “section.” The word “modern” doesn’t even appear on the front page.

              They have nothing to do with the subject matter we are speaking of.

              OK, how about this, asshole? It’s “GOOD INFORMATION,” right? RIGHT? Go test it the fuck out.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “Those pages are NOT from the vaccine and modern medicine section. ”

              This is a great example of Lowell running away. You claim boldly that whale.to has a vaccine and modern medicine section. We established that your citation from 1958 which cites information from 1912 isn’t modern, and someone observed there isn’t even a modern medicine section. In fact the ONLY way I can find these pages is if I happen to google the right terms.

              This means your so called hours of research are a result of google. But instead of accepting valid criticism the drunken alcoholic runs away to another thread where he can blather endless and obsessionally say sick and twisted.

            • Actually it whale.to is clearly divided into the said subject category sections. No amount of your twisted argument over nothing, can refute that fact. Simply, take a look! http://whale.to/

            • Matt Zukowski

              “Actually it whale.to is clearly divided into the said subject category sections.”

              This is your claim

              /Those pages are NOT from the vaccine and modern medicine section./

              There is no vaccine and modern medicine section. You’re a brain damaged alcoholic with a reading disorder. Medicine appears but only Alternative Medicine and Nutritional medicine. Vaccination appears, but no historical vaccine section. There is Vaccine Racket, Why Vaccine Continue, Vax, Vax Autism, Vax Deaths, Smallpox vax. But no historical vaccine section. I looked, it’s not there, you are full of shit.

              Seriously what is your malfunction? Are you some kind of alcoholic robot that always says “but it’s there just look” when you know it’s not? Do you expect people to just take your word for it and not look? Is that it?

              Seriously the ONLY way anyone can find ANYTHING on whale.to is if they google it. Whale lacks any kind of reasonable organizational structure. But you’re a brain damaged alcoholic and don’t want to admit you use google.

              And what brain damage explains this

              /modern medicine section/

              When your citation was from 1958 which uses research from 1912? You get knocked out too many times in bars and you somehow thing “modern” is the early 20th century? Does alcohol give you tunnel vision and you can’t see all the shit on your screen? After a long day of drinking do you bang your head on the table a few times just to be so patently inept you miss important details like the center of your thesis? This is what I expect from an alcoholic, making claims about finding HISTORICAL data in the MODERN section when neither a MODERN or HISTORICAL section exist.

              Go back to your bottle. It doesn’t care you can’t read crap.

            • Matt Zukowski

              And here is were Lowell runs away.

              If it was me I would actually be honest. I’d say “golly I was mistaken” or “oh it was actually this other section over here”. Or I would fess up and say “Yeah, I totally google crap all day and get whale.to”.

              You see, that’s being honest. You’re not honest. You’re a brain damaged alcoholic. How many times did you claim to not drink for 9 years only to some here and say you totally drank in the past year? Why lie about your drinking if you don’t think it’s an issue? Well it obviously is an issue.

              I on the other hand I don’t need to lie about my drinking. I totally had beer during the week. I had beer on Tuesday, one on Wednesday, and two of Thursday. No beer was consumed before 7pm because I’m not a brain damaged alcoholic. I have no beer right now because I’m not a brain damaged alcoholic. People like me and they give me beer. No one likes you.

        • Boris Ogon

          You take vitamin C in the encapsulated liposomic form

          Lodwill, please, in your own words, explain this in layman’s terms.

          In fact, I’m still waiting to hear back on the “long and short chain forms” of “fetal tissue,” so that would be kewl, too.

          TIA.

        • notation

          Hey, Bubbles, I see you have failed yet again to rise to a challenge to explain in layman’s terms what this means: “You take vitamin C in the encapsulated liposomic form.”

          When are you going to do that? Oh, yeah, don’t forget to explain what “long and short chain forms” of ‘fetal tissue” are, too, and what is significant about them.

          I’ll be waiting with bated breath. And yes, that IS the correct spelling, dearie.

        • eggman2

          Thanks. My information is mostly based on personal experience and a book that I inherited called ” VACCINATION CONDEMNED ” by a lady that called herself Elben. But the whale.to website is a relief in the sea of misinformation and websites like this one.

          • notation

            Are you having a psychotic break? The post you’re responding to is from two months ago, you wackbasket.

            Get to a hospital. You need help.

            • They couldn’t keep him beyond the 72 hour hold.

            • notation

              What a sad commentary on our system of mental health care…

            • eggman2

              What an asshole. I guess it takes all kinds in this world.

          • notation

            Hahahahahahah! Your “information is mostly based on personal experience and a book” you “inherited…by a lady who called herself Elben”?

            And you believe that these ‘sources’ of information are superior to actual current studies by REAL SCIENTISTS? Who the hell is “Elben” and what are her qualifications? What “personal experiences” have you had that are even remotely relevant or valid as sources of information? Why should ANYONE believe you are anything but a vast repository of crap?

            OMG, you are unbelievably nutty.

            • eggman2

              I am going to give out here some good information for stupid people like you.

              REAL SCIENTISTS, PERHAPS , BUT DO THEY SPEAK THE TRUTH ?

              I was little and was watching 20/20 on CBS. They had a thing about the falsification of scientific records in some university’s experiments. The falsification was done by request of some company financing the study.

              Read WORLD WITHOUT CANCER and you will learn more about that. And read THE CANCER INDUSTRY, and you will learn some more. And read POISON SPRING and you will still learn some more.

            • notation

              You couldn’t give out “good information” if your life depended on it, you moronic dolt. You don’t even know the difference between “lie” and “lay” or between “you’re” and “your,” you stupid ass.

              Do you REALLY expect ANYONE to read your drivel without laughing themselves silly?

            • eggman2

              You might have good spelling and typing skill, but you are a piece of shit when it comes to reasoning.

              I think reasoning is more important for survival.

            • notation

              Nothing wrong with my reasoning, you moron. You can’t produce a single cite to back up your claims. You’re the one who’s unable to present a case.

              You don’t exhibit any reasoning skills whatsoever; reasoning takes knowledge of facts. You don’t have any.

            • notation

              What you do isn’t “thinking” at all, honey. You’re mentally ill.

            • eggman2

              That is what you say. But my grandma used to say to me, ” You take things with the same importance that the people who give it to you have.”

              I have given you good information for your own good, and you don’t have the good sense to make use of it. You don’t give that much importance to yourself. You know that is a characteristic of psychopaths: they like to live dangerously.

            • notation

              The only person who gives a shit what your grandma said is your grandpa, and they’re both dead.

              You haven’t given ANY information, you fucktard.

            • eggman2

              Like my grandma said, ” Hell is full of ungrateful souls.” Watch it, you might end up there. Or it could be hell on earth for you, for not learning what I have tried to teach you.

            • notation

              Oh, shove it up your ass.

              You aren’t “teaching” me anything, except to realize that the depths of stupidity you plumb are beyond anything I ever imagined.

            • eggman2

              And you are so smart. You believe that ” putrefactive-biohazardous material in a soup of carcinogens-mutagens poisons ” ( vaccines ) is good for you. With so much crap in your system , you must look like the Addams family grandma, and you talk like her, too.

            • eggman2

              Go to vaccineresistancemovement.org/?p=8787. If you don’t, you are the one who is mentally ill.

            • notation

              No, honey, if I did, I’d be in the company of the mentally ill. You are an idiot who doesn’t know “you’re” from “your,” and I wouldn’t take your advice or that of anyone you recommend.

            • notation

              You never had a thought in your whole life, you fuckwit.

            • eggman2

              Not like yours, of course. I am not a stupid psychopath like you.

          • Boris Ogon

            by a lady that called herself Elben

            Even the Flying Dolphin told you that this is the brain-dead “antibodies don’t exist” Eleanor McBean.

            • eggman2

              Also, read WORLD WITHOUT CANCER to instruct your ignorant mind.

            • Boris Ogon

              Great, you’re a Laetrile crank, too. Enjoy your rousing golf clap.

      • eggman2

        That is such such a stupid comment. I have cut down an infection with vitamin C alone.

        • notation

          No, you haven’t.

      • eggman2

        It is extremely stupid of people like you to say taking vitamin C is nonsense while promoting petroleum and coal based junk medicine.

        • notation

          It is nonsense. You are unable to cite any evidence otherwise, you nitwit.

          • eggman2

            Go drink your concoction of vaccine petrochemicals, and leave me alone, you stupid one.

            • notation

              Go fuck yourself. Nobody else will.

              Leave this forum, you jitbag. You’re a waste of oxygen.

      • eggman2

        The nonsense is in your head, if you are a real person.

        • notation

          Do you even realize that you’re responding to a post that is TWO MONTHS OLD?

          • eggman2

            And who the hell cares ? Go drink your vaccine carcinogens.

            • MattZuke

              You understand that it’s the dose that makes the poison don’t you? There’s a world of difference between someone who enjoys a cigar once a month and someone who smokes a pack a day. But even saying that is a little deceptive since the risk of vaccines is nothing like smoking a cigar once a month. More like a second hand smoke from a smurf cigar once a year.

            • notation

              Apparently, you do, you moron.

              You are a joke.

        • notation

          Obviously, Sullivan has exposed you for what you are: completely unable to defend your claims with ANY credible evidence, as have Mike, Matt, Skeptical Raptor, lilady, Dorit, Boris, and the rest.

          I repeat: You do not know what you are talking about. Everyone knows it but you.

          • eggman2

            For ignorant people like you that believe that modern medicine is such a good thing: watch CUT, POISON, BURN.

            • notation

              So you can’t cite anything in the way of studies, but you put your faith in crap videos? Could you be any more ridiculous?

              Did you even make it through your sophomore year of high school? If so, who’d you bribe?

            • eggman2

              Don’t be stupid. A study done by people paid up by the junk medicine robber barons is good as shit.

              Look it up in my stuff, you ignorant one, I reported once on an article, that appeared in the conservative probusiness ” WALL STREET JOURNAL”, that talked about the thousands of deaths that modern medicine causes just in hospitals.

            • notation

              So you have no studies you can point to that prove your claim. I thought as much.

              Did you ever back up your claim that penicillin causes polio, dear?

            • eggman2

              I already did. Look it up.

            • notation

              That creative writing was nothing but a brain fart, you moron. Either cite your sources or shut the fuck up.

            • eggman2

              Don’t be stupid. The Wall Street Journal has professional writers that do research. The article about thousands of deaths a year because of ” stupid junk medicine ” ( my own words ) was written by a famous medical doctor.

            • notation

              Then cite the article, dumbfuck. Link it. Hurry up, ya boob.

            • eggman2

              You need to go to vaccineresistancemovement.org And study real science and not your propaganda crap.

              Of course, you can read real science in my comments, but you are too stupid to understand them.

            • notation

              Can’t cite it?

            • notation

              WHAT “real science,” you moron? Why don’t you tell everyone what science background you have, you nutter? Tell us all how many degrees you’ve earned in a hard science. Go ahead.

              You don’t even understand the English language, you brainless twit. You are so stupid that you can’t manage to grasp the simplest concepts. You don’t understand viruses or vaccines. You simply don’t, and it shows in every post.

            • Mike Stevens

              It’s pure pseudo science.
              They can’t tell the difference, obviously.

            • notation

              That idiot can’t tell his ass from a hole in the ground.

            • notation

              “A famous medical doctor…”

              Whose name you somehow don’t recall?

              You idiot.

            • notation

              Your “stuff”? What “stuff”? Your ridiculous claims have no basis in fact, you dimwitted dolt. I don’t care WHAT you “reported on” from the WALL STREET JOURNAL, shitwit. If you cannot come up with real evidence, you’re out of luck, dearie.

            • eggman2

              What is real evidence for your stupid unreal brain ? Junk medicine robber barons propaganda, that is as good and useful as shit.

      • eggman2

        Small wonder that your last name is THEPOOP.

        • Sullivan ThePoop

          So, nothing to add?

    • Sullivan ThePoop

      They do titers if you work in an infectious disease lab or if you are a healthcare worker. My titers are great for all the diseases I have been vaccinated for.

    • Dorit Reiss

      Because we have data that shows the MMR is 99% after two doses, so having an extra blood draw for everyone is needless pain and expense.
      But I’ve had my blood work done recently and am still immune from childhood, if that makes you feel better.

      • Lisa

        Well isn’t that the whole point..to know your immune? Needless and pain? Come on….your kidding. And I had measles so I’m good for ever no need for titers….Again did Mr. Jacobson get vaccinated for Small pox? I have ask this question 3 times…… How long does two doses last?

        • Dorit Reiss

          First, while most people who had measles naturally are immune, not everyone is. I’ve met people who had it twice.

          I’m not sure if Mr. Jacobson ended up also being vaccinated after his criminal conviction for not vaccinating was upheld. Stories tend to stop with the Supreme Court decision.

          The evidence is that immunity to measles and rubella is probably lifelong for most people. It’s shorter for mumps.

          • sabelmouse

            how many had it twice? and did they really have it the first or second time. confirmed by tests?

            • Dorit Reiss

              Oh, it’s very rare. But then, with MMR, most people are immune to measles too – without having the disease with its risks of death, encephalitis and deafness and the suffering it causes.

            • sabelmouse

              and yet they need boosters as there have been outbreaks among the vaccinated. taking ever more risk of vaccine injury and losing out in cancer protection.

            • Dorit Reiss

              In case you missed that fact, most measles cases are in the unvaccinated. As in, the vast majority. Nothing is 100% effective, but the high effectiveness of MMR is a lot higher than the zero of non-vaccination.

              While nothing is 100% safe, either, the very rare risk of serious harm from MMR is not a very good reason not to protect a child against an extremely contagious disease with high rates of complications, complications that include death, encephalitis, and deafness.

              And measles does not protect you against cancer.

            • sabelmouse

              you lie very politely and reasonably, but you still lie.

            • Matt Zukowski

              Really? Where is the lie?

              “If you catch it despite being vaxed the vax ain’t working.”

              Actually that is not true at all. The vaccine decreases the odds you’ll get an infection. Say it was 90% effective, and the odds of getting measles from one encounter was 90%, this would translate to 100 exposures will infect someone who is vaccinated. It beats 10 in this example. If in the unlikely event you are infected the duration and severity are greatly reduced.
              And it is working since the infection rate was reduced by a factor of 99%+.

              If we applied your argument to seat belts and car seats then we’d have to point out deaths attributed to both and claim they don’t work. In fact seat belts and car seats can cause death or injury in the event a vehicle rolls over catches fire. It’s hard to detach a seat belt upside down. But to anyone who is sane they accept the pragmatic reality a child would likely die in such an impact without a seat belt and car seat and on the whole seat belts save lives.

              Only in antivax land does not 100% equal zero.

            • lilady R.N.

              Where’s the connection between MMR vaccine and the onset of cancer, sabelmouse?

              Are you confusing vaccinations protective against hepatocellular carcinoma (hepatitis B vaccines) and oral, penile and cervical cancers (HPV vaccines)?

            • Oh Dorit, you keep forgetting that there are two sides to every story, and you are continually excluding one side of it; the unbiased side that has nothing to lose by the real truth being known.

              .Whooping cough vaccine fades in pre-teens: study
              I also noticed that under Results in the abstract it lists vaccine effectiveness was 41%, 24%, and 79% for children aged 2–7 years, 8–12 years, 13–18 years, respectively. That as well does not seem to be real good, nor very impressive. Thus indeed that figure of 81% in the outbreak that were found to be fully vaccinated and up to date, would have likely been quite predicable and probable. ( Abstract link below)

              Excerpts:

              “We have a real belief that the durability (of the vaccine) is not what was imagined,” said Dr. David Witt, an infectious disease specialist at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California, and senior author of the study.

              The pertussis vaccine, a five-shot series referred to as DTaP, is recommended for children at ages two-, four-, six- and 18-months, and at four to six years old.

              The CDC recommends that at age 11 or 12 kids get the booster shot called Tdap.

              In early 2010, a spike in cases appeared at Kaiser Permanente in San Rafael, and it was soon determined to be an outbreak of whooping cough — the largest seen in California in more than 50 years.

              Witt had expected to see the illnesses center around unvaccinated kids, knowing they are more vulnerable to the disease.

              “We started dissecting the data. What was very surprising was the majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children. That’s what started catching our attention,” said Witt.

              To figure out just how well the vaccine was working, Witt and his colleagues collected information on every patient who had tested positive for pertussis between March and October, 2010.

              Of the 132 patients under age 18, 81 percent were up to date on recommended whooping cough shots and eight percent had never been vaccinated. The other 11 percent had received at least one shot, but not the complete series.

              The rate of cases for each age, two through 18 years old, peaked among kids in their pre-teens.

              Read more:
              http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM20120403

              The said study.

              Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular Pertussis Vaccination in Pre-Adolescents in a North American Outbreak
              Maxwell A. Witt1, Paul H. Katz, MD, MPH2, and David J. Witt, MD3

              http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/03/13/cid.cis287.abstract

              http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/03/13/cid.cis287.full.pdf+html

              Whooping Cough Outbreak- Largest in 50 yrs

              Its all over the news, the internet and the newspapers. Largest whooping cough outbreak in 5 decades….go get vaccinated and protect your children…oh my…thats the LAST THING you should do. Heres why.

              http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!pertussis-outbreak-4567008830/c1oa5​

            • Mike Stevens

              Mouse, you seem to have a quaint faith in measles infection preventing cancer.
              You wouldn’t be deliberately confusing the recent data on genetically modified mega doses of measles vaccine used for someone with multiple myeloma would you?
              No, perhaps you are just gullible enough to believe the antivaccine propaganda spouted by Age of Autism.

              Here is one for you mouse….
              http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2013/06/25/no-doctors-did-not-inject-hiv-into-a-dying-girl-to-treat-her-cancer/
              I now expect, that to be consistent, you will now be shouting from the rooftops:
              “People should catch HIV – It cures leukaemia!”

            • Oh wow, more no science there denialist of all Gorski blog pages; imagine that. Just link to one of the other and former blog pages and call it science, put in a hyperlink. Speculate on everything, maybe this happened or that, and reinterpret any informational material on earth that opposes in any way the sanctity of the mighty savior holy water cult of vaccines. Oh and science based would never be complete without immediate personal attacks and plenty of rampant attempts at false discreditation.

            • Matt Zukowski

              You must be drunk again. You’ve already conceded measles doesn’t prevent cancer and that GMO version of measles “might” treat it.

              Okay here is mouse’s argument. Complications with measles are extremely rare if you’re well fed. Technically true, but serious adverse reactions are three orders of magnitude MORE rare with the vaccine AND it prevents measles.

            • There is and has been no alcohol here, period. And you?

              If you can not and if you refuse to present with correctly what I have presented with and stated, and as you always do; then why should anyone waste the time to ever respond to you? I did not say that nor imply that, quite obviously. Acquiring natural measles and recovery just may indeed provide a priming effect of the immune system in a child and that may help it the immune system work more effectively, and thus help stave off cancer in the future.

              All you continue with is more false and a ridiculous level of fear mongering that has no basis in actual fact. As I just told you, YOU have no means to accurately access anything at all here for actual risks; because you deny the existence of any and all and the magnitude of the number of existing vaccine injuries. You deny the vaccine risks, and while over hyping the measles risks. You are not seeing nor facing reality. What part of that do you not get. I am again and again arguing with a complete imbecile (you), that absolutely refuses to face reality, no matter what.

            • Mike Stevens

              The link is to the official Cancer UK Research site.
              Did you bother to click on it, and see, or just reflexively try and diss anything you don’t understand?

            • Matt Zukowski

              “and yet they need boosters”

              Being more effective with 1 booster doesn’t really mean much since the risk factor with wild type measles is a factor of 2000x more risky looking at just the outcome of death or encephalitis.

              “here have been outbreaks among the vaccinated”

              Bought to you by the non vaccinated visiting places with lower immunization rates. There is 1 exception.

              ” taking ever more risk of vaccine injury ”

              That’s kind of silly. It’s a bit like saying riding the train reduces the risk of airplane injury. Simply put you’re not in a plane.

              “losing out in cancer protection.”

              You keep saying that, and you provide no evidence of this. With wild type measles there are odds of brain damage, deafness, blindness, SSPE, and with a depressed immune system there are good odds of pneumonia. You would have to demonstrate the degree of cancer protection. Even then cancers are proportionately rare.

            • sabelmouse

              doesn’t matter who brought anything. if you catch it despite being vaxed the vax ain’t working.

              negative outcomes of measles infections are exceedingly rare among otherwise healthy, well fed children.

            • Oh ya, Zukowski, more toxic boosters are the answer to everything, and every vaccine that failed. As if you are only injecting vaccine holy water, with a little antigen.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “more toxic boosters are the answer to everything”

              No alcoholic. You have failed to cite a single country that uses 3 MMR vaccines on the schedule. Have you upgraded from alcohol to crack?

            • You entirely twisted, crazed, and sick lunatic; I have never stated that the MMR required three doses, at any time. It was never my statement. That was not even the subject matter that was being referred to, and you can see that in your post above.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “You entirely twisted, crazed, and sick lunatic; I have never stated that the MMR required three doses”

              The delusional alcohol forgets the stupid things he says within hours or days after he said them. Either that or you’re just a liar.

              “twisted, crazed, and sick lunatic;”

              Says the man who gets hopped up on Paxil and alcohol and shoplifts herbal supplements. You’re a menace to society.

            • You can easily follow your comments and see here and exactly who the mindless and twisted piece of shit is that forgets everything stated, and deliberately. Your level of hypocrisy is like a large pile of flaming fly infested bull shit that you keep filling your hands with and attempting to throw it against the wall; but each time you do you simply end up looking even more pathetic than the last time.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “You can easily follow your comments and see here and exactly who the mindless and twisted piece of shit is that forgets everything stated, and deliberately”

              Yes, this would be you Lowell.

              “Your level of hypocrisy”

              I don’t drink and drive. I don’t shoplift. I don’t steal bikes. I don’t get hopped up on Paxil or Xanix and drink. More over I don’t create elaborate conspiracy theories to compensate for getting arrested with a BAC of .138% nor do I claim the police investigate an assassination attempt without the associated police report.

            • Seems I already answered this question once. No alcohol and no crack here, period dude. And you??? I have never stated that any country requires 3 doses of the MMR. The US schedule requires 2 doses, and if that is different in any other country somewhere, I don’t know and don’t actually care. In your lost and skitzoid delusions you apparently have me mixed up with some else, now don’t you. And that mix up is obviously deliberate, and that is how desperate twisted you actually are,

            • Matt Zukowski

              “I have never stated that any country requires 3 doses of the MMR”

              Yes you did liar.

              “The US schedule requires 2 doses”

              Pleased you concede the point that your source is wrong.

              “In your lost and skitzoid delusions”

              Pure projection as you claim to have had an assassination attempt. Please fax that police report to 206-984-1986 to prove you don’t have skitzoid delusions.

              “And that mix up is obviously deliberate”

              No shithead. Your source claimed 3 MMRs was on the schedule. You claimed she’s from another country, and she’s not. You claimed another country has 3 on their schedule. You have yet to cite one. This makes you a liar.

            • I never stated there were 3 doses at any time.

              Did not say it was any assassination attempt in relation to the subject matter you referred to.

              I never conceded the source was entirely wrong, because the rest of the article was in fact right. One possible error, did not discredit the whole article; as you chose and wanted it to.

              The twisted bullshit you have and continue to put forth is clearly nothing but endless.

              You are nothing but a mindlessly ranting, raving, and crazed nut job. Obviously nothing but a completely twisted lunatic.

              CDC’s Vaccine Safety Research is Exposed as Flawed and Falsified in Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal

              Substantial Scientific Evidence Exists that Vaccine Ingredient is a Developmental Neurotoxin
              http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cdcs-vaccine-safety-research-is-exposed-as-flawed-and-falsified-in-peer-reviewed-scientific-journal-263012911.html

              Congressman Bill Posey speaks on the Need for Openness and Transparency within the CDC on Issues of Vaccine Safety
              http://www.autismone.org/content/congressman-bill-posey-speaks-need-openness-and-transparency-within-cdc-issues-vaccine-safet

              Teri Arranga interviews Dr. Brian Hooker | autismone.org
              http://www.autismone.org/content/teri-arranga-interviews-dr-brian-hooker-0

              More Proof That the “Vaccine Pusher” Crowd Can’t Think Critically….(a well referenced article)
              http://www.modernalternativemama.com/blog/2014/01/23/more-proof-that-the-vaccine-pusher-crowd-cant-think-critically/#.U5caC_ldXbb

              Whooping cough vaccine fades in pre-teens: study

              I also noticed that under Results in the abstract it lists vaccine effectiveness was 41%, 24%, and 79% for children aged 2–7 years, 8–12 years, 13–18 years, respectively. That as well does not seem to be real good, nor very impressive. Thus indeed that figure of 81% in the outbreak that were found to be fully vaccinated and up to date, would have likely been quite predicable and probable. ( Abstract link below)

              Excerpts:

              “We have a real belief that the durability (of the vaccine) is not what was imagined,” said Dr. David Witt, an infectious disease specialist at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center in San Rafael, California, and senior author of the study.

              The pertussis vaccine, a five-shot series referred to as DTaP, is recommended for children at ages two-, four-, six- and 18-months, and at four to six years old.

              The CDC recommends that at age 11 or 12 kids get the booster shot called Tdap.

              In early 2010, a spike in cases appeared at Kaiser Permanente in San Rafael, and it was soon determined to be an outbreak of whooping cough — the largest seen in California in more than 50 years.

              Witt had expected to see the illnesses center around unvaccinated kids, knowing they are more vulnerable to the disease.

              “We started dissecting the data. What was very surprising was the majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children. That’s what started catching our attention,” said Witt.

              To figure out just how well the vaccine was working, Witt and his colleagues collected information on every patient who had tested positive for pertussis between March and October, 2010.

              Of the 132 patients under age 18, 81 percent were up to date on recommended whooping cough shots and eight percent had never been vaccinated. The other 11 percent had received at least one shot, but not the complete series.

              The rate of cases for each age, two through 18 years old, peaked among kids in their pre-teens.

              Read more:
              http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/04/03/us-whoopingcough-idUSBRE8320TM20120403

              The said study.

              Unexpectedly Limited Durability of Immunity Following Acellular Pertussis Vaccination in Pre-Adolescents in a North American Outbreak

              Maxwell A. Witt1, Paul H. Katz, MD, MPH2, and David J. Witt, MD3

              http://cid.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2012/03/13/cid.cis287.abstract

              Whooping Cough Outbreak- Largest in 50 yrs

              Its all over the news, the internet and the newspapers. Largest whooping cough outbreak in 5 decades….go get vaccinated and protect your children…oh my…that’s the LAST THING you should do. Here’s why.

              http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!pertussis-outbreak-4567008830/c1oa5​

              Vaccine Mutations​
              http://www.healthy.net/Health/Article/SPOTLIGHT/6643

            • Matt Zukowski

              “never stated there were 3 doses at any time”

              Yes you did, you’re a brain damaged alcoholic, you just forgot.

              “Did not say it was any assassination attempt in relation to the subject matter you referred to..”

              You’re a liar. You claimed the police investigated it but failed to provide a police report number and you claimed an “insane clown posse” took care of it. And it’s interesting how who ever wanted you dead just gave up and didn’t hire another assassin, or steal bike and put it in your apt. and phone the police to put you back in jail. This is likely because THIS NEVER HAPPENED YOU ARE DELUSIONAL.

              “You are a nut job, entirely crazy, an obvious and completely twisted lunatic.”

              Says the brain damaged conspiracy theorist alcoholic with a prison record who can’t control his impulses.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “Vaccine Mutations”

              Vaccines made with dead pathogens DO NOT MUTATE YOU STUPID SHIT. Vaccines made with pieces of dead pathogens DO NOT MUTATE YOU STUPID SHIT.

              You can continue citing the same source but it doesn’t say what you think it says. You have a reading disorder. LIVE pathogens can mutate. It’s one of the reasons we vaccinate, to decrease the odds a given pathogen will mutate and go wild.

            • Boris Ogon

              I never stated there were 3 doses at any time.

              So what the fuck was this supposed to mean?

              As to the 3 doses of MMR vaccine; that of course does not exist on the US schedule. I am not as well sure [sic] what country she is referring to, and although [sic] she did make some reference to having lived in Africa.

              Hell, while I’m at it:

              CDC’s Vaccine Safety Research is Exposed as Flawed and Falsified in Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal

              This is fucking uproarious. You’re linking to a press release. Your imaginary scholarship is just too tuckered out to even finish the job. Here’s a clue: If you have to put “Peer-Reviewed Scientific Journal” in the title of the release, it’s a REALLY BAD FUCKING SIGN.

              So what do we have? Not just a Hindawi title with 3537 PubMed entries yet only 1645 MEDLINE ones, but a two-paper special issue of a Hindawi title “edited” by the authors!

              Here, however is the punchline:

              “Received 15 February 2014; Accepted 12 May 2014”

              Gee, they must have been really hard on themselves. Let’s check the other paper!

              “Received 12 February 2014; Revised 20 April 2014; Accepted 21 April 2014”

              Hey, wait a second, there’s something different here… what could it… I could almost put my finger… EUREKA!

              Revised 20 April 2014

              Not only can you kiss your “peer review” goodbye on your putative reference, Lodwill, that no-revised history line is plainly fraudulent to anyone who knows journals publishing from a parasitic twin, which is pretty fucking ironic given the title.

            • Boris Ogon

              This makes you a liar.

              No, no, you don’t understand: it’s actually the result of (I shit you not) sorcery.

            • Reality022

              “…and losing out in cancer protection.”

              You’ve got to be kidding me.
              You and ciaparker are both now propagating this “measles cures cancer” idiocy?
              Whose ignorant misreading of the clearly stated science in the popular press is this, yours or hers?
              The wild measles virus and the attenuated measles virus in vaccines do not attack cancer in any special manner.

              The story of the Mayo Clinic trial which was successful treating myeloma is about a genetically modified attenuated measles virus.
              That’s right, loons, the “miracle measles cancer cure” did not involved ordinary, everyday measles; it used mass quantities of a GMO variant of the attenuated measles virus created in the lab.
              You know, that eeevyilll GMO and science and stuff…

              For the reader here’s an article with links to more detailed info if their explanation isn’t clear enough:
              http://scienceblog.cancerresearchuk.org/2014/05/16/could-measles-cure-cancer-uh-not-exactly/

              That ciaparker and sablemouse both cannot read and understand the plainly written words in the popular press is very telling.
              That they are so arrogantly ignorant that they are now preaching their ignorance as fact is unsurprising considering they are antivaccine which makes them poster children for the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
              That these obviously ignorant dimwits try to recommend healthcare measures to other people is laughable.
              That other people agree with these fools is frightening.

              You’d be better off taking the advice from your cat… it knows more science than the the antivaccinationists.

              Scientifically illiterate and innumerate Antivaccinationists – Smarter than scientists with 24+ years of schooling and decades of experience and research.
              Just ask them.

            • Rampant false fear mongering, is that all you can do?

            • Matt Zukowski

              “Rampant false fear mongering,”

              You have no idea what the word FALSE means. The complications of measles are WELL documented. As such it’s not false nor is it fear mongering. Instead it’s a rational analysis of the objective risks of a wild type pathogen and the vaccine.

              But as you’ve demonstrated you lack 3rd grade math skills. As such you can’t grasp a risk factor of 1:1,000 is a LARGER RISK than 1:1,000,000

              Seriously you’re like a robot that’s programmed with canned responses that you employ whether they make sense or not.

            • You refuse to get it. For a child well fed nutritionally, and on a clean sugar free diet, and that is healthy and toxic vaccine free; the odds of acquiring measles complications are very low. Much lower than the odds of being vaccine injured by the MMR vaccine, and or additionally a load of other vaccines. But you do not understand those odds because you deny every single vaccine injury that has happened and there are thousands of them. Not only due to the MMR vaccine but in regard to all vaccines, and when combined up to nine in a single visit. If you can not comprehend the insanity of that kind of untested for safety recklessness; then you clearly have no business reply commenting on this subject matter, anywhere on the internet; period.

        • Matt Zukowski

          This would be the life long immunity fallacy. Generally speaking one only gets measles once in their lifetime. This is not always true. There may be a higher degree of immunity with the wild type infection, but this comes with even higher risk, and that’s just silly.

          Now it’s interesting since deploying the second dose of MMR the incident rate dropped by a factor of around 99%, which is interesting since before the vaccine virtually everyone got measles. Isn’t it better not to get measles at all? I think so.

          • sabelmouse

            not if you want a fully functioning immune system and hopefully no cancer later.

            • Matt Zukowski

              How is the immune system NOT fully functioning with immunizations? There really is no difference between how it responds to the antigens in the vaccine and the wild type virus.

              And cancer?

            • sabelmouse
            • Mike Stevens

              So what cancers does measles infection protect against, mouse?

            • sabelmouse

              i shall say this only once; i’m done with you anyway but your impolite use of part of my name would certainly be another reason.
              did your mama not teach you manners?
              or are you [partially] channeling notation who’s been blessedly absent lately?

            • Mike Stevens

              OK, “sabelmouse” (apologies for being overly familiar)……. What cancers does measles infection protect against?

            • Do you know they are now in the clinical trial stage, using the measles vaccine to cure cancer? But yet in your mind there could be no benefit to acquiring measles naturally, right? Priming the immune system of a child; that concept as well means nothing to you, right?

              http://www.prevention.com/health/health-concerns/breaking-news-measles-vaccine-cures-woman-cancer

              Measles Vaccines Part II; Benefits of Contracting Measles
              http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

              http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measles-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

            • Matt Zukowski

              “Do you know they are now in clinical trail stage, using the measles vaccine to cure cancer”

              Yes.

              “But yet in your mind there could be no benefit to acquiring measles naturally, right?”

              Right because your citation covers viral therapy which uses an “engineered measles virus”. Also you citation specifically says the measles vaccine.

              Now captain stupid, think about this. How can getting wild type measles help you out if you’re immune to measles thus can’t catch it in the wild? It’s specifically about “killing myeloma-infected plasma cells”. And you sort of want an attenuated virus rather than the wild type that can be deadly in healthy people not to speak of people WHO HAVE FUCKING CANCER IDIOT.

              Now either you don’t read what you cite, or you don’t understand what you cite. It’s likely a bit of both, you have brain damage and comprehension issues.

            • You are again all over the place with your mis-rationalizations, missing the point and crawling in your desperation through the mud mires entirely blind to focusing on what you actually should be seeing.

              Obviously by the clinical trials the measles virus or quite apparently it has some positive effect on neutralizing, killing cancer cells, and reversing cancer. No one said that the wild measles was the exact same thing, nor that it acted in exactly the same way as the cancer treating engineered version, and nor that wild virus was preferable to an engineered version that is not contagious, or apparently its not. And no one said that would work in a person who was already immune it measles.

              You simply can not make a single reply post Zukowski with out taking everything out of context and putting words in my mouth and multiple claims into the mix that were never made nor there.

              The focus was on the natural priming of the childhood immune system through acquiring and recover from natural measles, which quite likely could and would have a positive effect on reduction of the chances of acquiring cancer later in life. After all it is the properly functioning immune system that kills cancer cells and helps keep cancer in check.

              What Is Cancer And What Causes It?
              http://healthtip.hacres.com/index.php/2010/08/31/what-is-cancer-and-what-causes-it/

              In the early 1900s an astute Indiana physician, Dr. W.B. Clarke, stated “Cancer was practically unknown until compulsory vaccination with cowpox vaccine began to be introduced. I have had to deal with two hundred cases of cancer, and I never saw a case of cancer in an unvaccinated person.

              http://www.life-enthusiast.com/why-to-avoid-vaccines-a-2878.html

              Did you even review at all any of that information below? Of course not and you wouldn’t even consider it because you think you already know it all. If it doesn’t come from pharma, then there is no other options in health care, and your mind.

              Measles Vaccines Part 1 and 2; Benefits of Contracting Measles

              http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/18/the-ineffectiveness-of-measles-vaccines-and-other-unintended-consequences-by-dr-viera-scheibner-phd/

              http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2013/01/29/measles-vaccines-part-ii-benefits-of-contracting-measles-by-dr-viera-scheibner-

            • Matt Zukowski

              “. No one said that the wild measles was the exact same thing, nor that it acted in exactly the same way as the cancer treating engineered version”

              Technically true, however this is what you said.

              /But yet in your mind there could be no benefit to acquiring measles naturally, right?/

              And this makes you a fucktard. Just because there is a benefit to an engineered virus of a virus doesn’t mean there is a benefit to the wild type virus.

              “You simply can not make a single reply post Zukowski with out taking everything out of context”

              It’s not out of context bozo. This is why we call you brain damaged. You continue to use terms that don’t apply to compensate for the fact you said something patently stupid in the first place. We call this kicking and screaming and this makes you a pathetic little child.

            • Your mind is quite clearly so twisted beyond any hope of rationalizing and/or comprehending the most simple of concepts Zukowski, that there is no hope for you. And you do that deliberately don’t you; because actually that is the only way through outright harassment that you can keep reply responding to anything here at all. Isn’t that right? It is really difficult to believe that an adult could actually be that entirely beyond even basic common sense stupid. And you still do not and refuse to comprehend and nor the reality of anything at all that has been stated here?

              You continually split everything part and copy and paste bits and pieces of paragraphs and sentences, taking everything out of context; and specifically with that intent; so where you end up never being cornered with the truth and with the evidence that your statements have clearly and already been answered to. That way you can keep arguing about and as to the same subject matters for hours on end and never get anywhere with it. You have designed it that way; and you operate the very same way on any article you ever reply post on; regardless of where it is. Now isn’t that right. And that is exactly what your sick and twisted game and agenda is all about, entirely. Now isn’t it? You know it is, and I know it is.

              And then with each and every reply post that gets nowhere, intentionally on your part; you have then have opportunity to throw in more personal insults. What a very sick man. I know you better than you know you; quite obviously.

            • Matt Zukowski

              ” through outright harassment”

              No brain damaged idiot. You are not being harassed. You are making a choice to use this forum and if you feel uncomfortable you can leave at any time.

              “It is really difficult to believe that an adult could actually be that entirely beyond even basic common sense stupid. ”

              More projection. It’s YOUR claim that because an engineered measles virus can target something specific there must be something good about wild type measles. Ah no.

              “taking everything out of context”

              But it’s not out of context is it? You said something patently stupid and now you’re butthurt.

            • Boris Ogon

              And you still do not and refuse to comprehend and nor the reality of anything at all that has been stated here?

              Lodwill, I ask this in all sincerity: What the fuck do you think this construction “means”? Do you know what a fucking conjunction is?

            • Boris Ogon

              The focus was on the natural priming of the childhood immune system through acquiring and recover from natural measles, which quite likely could and would have a positive effect on reduction of the chances of acquiring cancer later in life.

              Right, and you came up with this all by your lonesome, and it has not the slightest thing to do with the Mayo results. It’s all a BIG FUCKING COINCIDENCE.

              So here you go again, Lodwill: Tell everybody how having the fucking measles “quite likely could and would” reduce one’s chances of “acquiring cancer.” In your own words. Not some stupid “did you ignore to and nor review said referenced” horseshit song and dance with random fucking links and frosting from a washed-up micropaleontologist, your own words.

              Which cancers? Why? What’s the mechanism? You know what measles does? It creates measles antibodies. So what are they going to bind to? It had better pretty damned specific, because otherwise the result is autoimmunity. You know how this works, RIGHT? It’s not some giant g‑ddamned magic blob.

              Because one thing we sure the fuck know is that anyone who so much as intimates that the multiple myeloma remission does anything but demonstrate the exact opposite is as dumb as a fucking rock.

            • Mike Stevens

              D’oh!
              Can’t you read, Hubbs?
              I asked what cancers does measles infection protect against (ie prevent).
              Can you answer, seeing as how sabelmouse can’t?

              I am fully aware measles vaccine mutants are being trialed as a means of tackling some cancers like myeloma. They use 100,000 times the usual vaccine antigen load. So much for “immune overload”, huh?

            • Mike Stevens

              I see you are unable to answer the question, sabelmouse.

            • Dorit Reiss

              I would recommend against using Livingwhole as a reference; it is invariably inaccurate or blatantly wrong. Two examples here – she says having the MMR would be an issue, and it’s not clear why she thinks that, and she lists the adverse events from the insert as if the vaccine caused them – even though the inserts list things whether or not caused by the vaccine, and this insert expressly says “without regard to causality.”

              Every blog post I’ve read from living whole was simply grossly inaccurate, full of very basic mistakes. It’s not a good source.

            • sabelmouse

              i’m sure that you know why she would think the mmr would be an issue. you weren’t born yesterday and neither was i.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “yes there is a difference”

              Golly what’s the difference then? Can you show me a measles antibody vs a attenuated measles antibody and point out the difference?

              Seriously the ONLY difference I can think of is the amount of antibodies produced. This is to be expected with wild type measles replicating QUICKLY in your body. This really isn’t a good thing.

              “yes cancer”

              Citation needed? And what kinds of cancer?

            • Boris Ogon

              yes there is a difference and yes cancer.

              Too bad you and “Dr.” Megan are too clueless to have figured out that wild-type measles doesn’t target CD46 for cell entry. That’s the whole freaking point of using MV-Edm.

              The whole “argument” is breathtakingly stupid: having had the measles does nothing. It was having the MV-Edm reproducing that was oncolytic.

            • Matt Zukowski

              So you mean if I get wild type measles and smoke I won’t get lung cancer? Really? That would be awesome.

              And how the heck does one not have a fully functioning immune system? That sounds like bunk to me.

            • Priming of the immune system by the acquiring of natural measles and recovery may protect against cancer; but then would that mean the protection would be effective no matter how badly you abused your body with such as smoking? Try and be somewhat mentally cognitive and reasonable?

            • Matt Zukowski

              “Priming of the immune system by the acquiring of natural measles and recovery may protect against cancer”

              Not likely, this was already covered, you have a reading disorder. Even your own citation doesn’t make this assertion but rather an engendered virus targeting cancer cells. NOT THE SAME THING STUPID.

              “Try and be somewhat mentally cognitive and reasonable?”

              More projection. If measles prevented lung cancer than logically when measles was common place smokers wouldn’t get lung cancer, which they totally did. The early research was finished just before WW II, and followed up in the 1950s and 1960s which was the time period that virtually everyone has measles.

              Unfortunately brain damaged bozos like yourself don’t quite grasp that there are MANY kinds of cancer, and there is no such thing as a silver bullet.

            • Sullivan ThePoop

              Only if you live in fantasy land. I live in the real world where I had the vaccine and have a fully functioning immune system and no cancer. Though I am young still.

          • Generally as a rule, you ONLY get measles once in your life time, and then you are immune for life. Now, if you have had the MMR vaccine and later the so called immunity from vaccine induced antibodies wanes and wears off; and then you get the measles later in life than having had it as a child; well then you might just get measles more than once, because your immune system is likely to be no longer functioning properly in response to exposure to the measles virus, and due to the vaccine. Not as it would have normally, without the or any vaccine. You know, its almost like rocket science, Zukowski. For you it would be.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “because you immune system is no longer functioning due to the vaccine”

              More crazy talk from the crazy alcoholic. The majority of the population is vaccinated with MMR. Their immune system is shutdown, all of them?

              “immune for life”

              Not exactly you have a degree of immunity since you already concede it’s possible to get the infection twice. You have a degree of immunity and a duration of immunity.

              Now the degree of immunity “might” be higher with measles, but this comes at a risk. This is the risk of death, risk of brain damage, risk of deafness, blindness.

              And golly you already conceded there are only two doses of MMR in the schedule meaning the degree of immunity conveyed by this vaccine is good enough for life. This makes you a liar.

        • Boris Ogon

          Again did Mr. Jacobson get vaccinated for Small pox?

          No, he had to pay the fine, but the issue of the vaccine itself was moot at that point. What relevance do you think this holds?

        • Sullivan ThePoop

          My mother had measles and also had her titers checked when my nephews were born premature. Mine were better from one MMR in 1972, but since I am 40 and she is 70 that is not surprising.

        • lilady R.N.

          What are you blathering on about?

          When was the last time that smallpox vaccine was listed on the Recommended Childhood Vaccination Schedule or the Recommended Adult Vaccination Schedule?

      • Again, if the MMR vaccine is 99% effective, then why are there so many outbreaks in which the largest number in the outbreak were the vaccinated?

        With vaccine exemption percentage rates as low as this and that they are, and if vaccines work; there should be no outbreaks at all.

        Table S1. State nonmedical exemption rates, overall and stratified by type of exemption permitted and ease of obtaining an exemption from 2006 through 2011.
        http://www.nejm.org/doi/suppl/10.1056/NEJMc1209037/suppl_file/nejmc1209037_appendix.pdf

        New Study: Use of Non-Medical Exemptions Not Tied to State Disease Incidence Rates
        http://www.nvic.org/NVIC-Vaccine-News/February-2014/non-medical-exemptions-not-tied-to-disease-incidence.aspx

        A Longitudinal Analysis of the Effect of Nonmedical Exemption Law and Vaccine Uptake on Vaccine-Targeted Disease Rates

        Y. Tony Yang, ScD, LLM, MPH, and Vicky Debold, RN, PhD

        http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2013.301538?journalCode=ajph

        There are far to many repeat reports of this, for it to any further be disregarded as some sort of incorrect and/or false information.

        The Measles Vaccine Failure the U.S. Media is not Covering
        http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/the-measles-vaccine-failure-the-u-s-media-is-not-covering/

        The 2013 Measles Outbreak: A Failing Vaccine, Not A Failure To Vaccinate
        http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/2013-measles-outbreak-failing-vaccine-not-failure-vaccinate1

        91% Fully Vaccinated Involved in Pertussis Outbreak

        Video on the 2010 Outbreak in California. Notice how the media blame the Unvaccinated while 91% of the cases were Fully Vaccinated.

        http://experimentalvaccines.org/2013/10/09/91-fully-vaccinated-involved-in-pertussis-outbreak/

        NY Measles Outbreak Blamed on Unvaccinated, Despite 90% of Infected Having Been Vaccinated
        http://thefreethoughtproject.com/90-infected-ny-measles-outbreak-vaccinated-scaremongering-then/

        Outbreaks of Measles in Vaccinated Children Intensifying
        Atypical measles – a new phenomenon only in the vaccinated
        Continuing measles outbreaks signal increasing incidence comparable with the prevaccine era.
        http://healthimpactnews.com/2013/outbreaks-of-measles-in-vaccinated-children-intensifying/

        Recent Measles Outbreak – Vaccines And The Vaccinated Found To Be Guilty
        http://www.fhfn.org/recent-measles-outbreak-vaccines-and-the-vaccinated-found-to-be-guilty/

        Disease outbreaks are concentrated in highest-vaccinated population – Council on Foreign Relations
        http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/disease-outbreaks-are-concentrated-in-highest-vaccinated-population-council-on-foreign-relations/#.U0JTcvldXbZ

        The vaccination coverage among cases was at least 84.5%. Vaccination coverage for the total population was 99.0%. Incomplete vaccination coverage is not a valid explanation for the Quebec City measles outbreak.”

        Major measles epidemic in the region of Quebec despite a 99% vaccine coverage
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1884314

        —–

        “A total of 235 cases of measles-like symptoms were reported; 218 were diagnosed as measles. Thirty-six of these cases were in unvaccinated individuals; 182 occurred in previously vaccinated subjects.”

        Mild measles and secondary vaccine failure during a sustained outbreak in a highly vaccinated population

        http://www.readabstracts.com/…/Mild-measles-and…

        —–

        “…98.7% of students were appropriately vaccinated.”

        A persistent outbreak of measles despite appropriate prevention and control measures.

        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=3618578

        —–

        “An outbreak of measles occurred in a high school with a documented vaccination level of 98 per cent.”

        “Nineteen (70 per cent) of the cases were students who had histories of measles vaccination at 12 months of age or older and are therefore considered vaccine failures.”

        Measles outbreak in a vaccinated school population: epidemiology, chains of transmission and the role of vaccine failures.
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1646939/

        —–

        “Fourteen of 74 seronegative students, all of whom had been vaccinated, contracted measles.”

        Measles Outbreak in a Fully Immunized Secondary-School Population
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3821823

        —–

        “The outbreak involved 16 high school students, all of whom had histories of measles vaccination after 15 months of age documented in their school health records.”

        Measles Outbreak among Vaccinated High School Students — Illinois
        http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00000359.htm​

        Measles virus-specific cellular immunity in patients with vaccine failure.
        http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC262632/?page=1

        The Antibody Deception, (a good article on the subject matter of understanding the issue of vaccine effectiveness, and in regard to showing and proving actual vaccine effectiveness)
        http://www.activistpost.com/2014/01/the-antibody-deception.html

        • Matt Zukowski

          “Again, if the MMR vaccine is 99% effective”

          Here it comes.

          “then why are there so many outbreaks in which the largest number in the outbreak were the vaccinated?”

          It’s not, you’re a liar.

          With pertussis your assertion would be true, but meaningless. If the vaccine is 90% effective and worthless you’d expect a 10:1 ratio. But with a 10:4 ratio you’re still 4x more likely to get pertussis if you’re not vaccinated yet more vaccinated people got pertussis.

          With measles most infections are with the non-vaccinated population. ALL outbreaks with the exception of one start with someone who isn’t vaccinated.

          You failed at stealing bikes and you fail at math.

          • A liar? You are entirely beyond out of your nut job mind. I lied about nothing. It again all depends on which set of data you choose to accept. The side of the data where the sources have everything to lose by the said outbreaks truth being known, or the side of it where they have nothing to gain by the truth being known, nor any reason to make anything up. For you nothing would be enough, and that surely does not make a liar nor having lied about anything.

            And that entirely dumb so called calculation you did, 4x 10:1; what exactly is that based on? Its based on absolutely nothing at all but nonsense, that’s what. You will attempt to pass anything at all off as your knowing and/or believing you actually know what is going on.

            Look at this map of the outbreaks in the US, and world wide! Do you actually in your delusional mind think all of those numerous outbreaks are only in the unvaccinated, or the highest percentage of it? How preposterous is that, to even claim to such a thing, when child and teen vaccination coverage is as high as it obviously is in the US? Oh, that’s right huh; they for the most part have forgotten about vaccinating the adults; oh.. whoops, so much for vaccine derived herd immunity. They forgot the adults? And nobody even thought of that; and they must of thought vaccine protected for life, just like natural immunity? How preposterous is claim, right out of the gate.

            Interactive map of the outbreaks
            http://www.cfr.org/interactives/GH_Vaccine_Map/#map

            • Dorit Reiss

              If you choose to ignore the data showing that the outbreaks are in the unvaccinated, that is your problem. Other readers don’t have to.

            • Matt Zukowski

              ” You are entirely beyond out of your nut job mind”

              More projection. Liz provided you with the raw data and it shows a higher number of measles cases among the NONVACCINATED.

              “I lied about nothing. ”

              You lie about everything Lowell. How much you drink, the big conspiracy to give you a false DUI, that big pharma assassination attempt.

              “And that entirely dumb so called calculation you did, 4x 10:1; what exactly is that based on?”

              So you concede to having poor math skills. This explains why you continue to say “but more vaccinated people get pertussis than non vaccinated people” which can both be true and demonstrate the risk is higher if you’re not vaccinated. In simple terms there are more vaccinated people.

              You really are dumb as a post.

            • No, you are clearly dumb as a post, if all you can ever offer is repeat personal attacks and falsely twisted accusations in the desperate attempt in to produce false discreditation. Even if that Zukowski, is only in your own small mind.

              What you are referring to is two sets of information. One is the real information, and one is the false information put forth by sources that are never going to allow the truth as to be told nor known as to those said outbreaks, and no matter what. What do you not get about that. Do you not realize just how many multiple sources have now put forth that those outbreaks are happening in 80 to 90% of the vaccinated, and not the unvaccinated? At what point would you even begin to question your biased sources? Admit it; you would refuse to no matter what. What part of this picture do you not yet get?

            • Matt Zukowski

              “all you can ever offer is repeat personal attacks”

              You keep saying this and you’re still a liar.

              “false discreditation”

              You keep saying this too, and you’re still a liar. You’re an insane nut who’s an alcoholic who happens to done some shoplifting while hopped up on Paxil and Alcohol, stole a bike, and have 4 DUIs where you claim the last one with a BAC of .138% didn’t happen despite drinking ALL FUCKING DAY. Instead it was a conspiracy just like the assassination attempt. All these are true things and all these things mean you are crazy beyond words. Not as crazy as the Pig Farmer you cite but pretty crazy.

              “One is the real information, and one is the false information put forth by sources”

              This is the thesis of a conspiracy theory. Yet you don’t ever provide the REAL information. In this case how many people got measles, how many were vaccinated fully, partially, or not at all.

              /The data says that 58 out of 288 measles cases had unknown vaccination status.

              The data says that 30 out of 288 measles cases had been vaccinated.

              Proper comparison: for 288 measles cases, 258 (89.5%) had not been vaccinated or had unknown vaccination status) 30 (10%) had received at least one vaccine./ –@lindatock:disqus

              You’re only argument boils down to it’s false, there’s a conspiracy bla bla bla bla bla.

              And like a true conspiracy theorist you have no evidence there is a conspiracy. You don’t have evidence in the form of a buttload of vaccinated people who secretly got measles. So as always you are full of shit.

            • You have had all that said and real data in front of you multiple times and from multiple sources. And you just keep ignoring it all like it was never there, and then simply re-quoting and re-parroting the same false propaganda from the CDC.

              After all that, any person that posts a reply post the likes of that complete mess of twisted garbage that you have right there; is clearly and obviously a complete psychiatric case; and not a person interested in any for of a constructive debate. What you have there is nothing but a continual progression of further sickness; and your own personal sickness. Clearly, and as a fact.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “You have had all that said and real data in front of you multiple times and from multiple sources”

              No I don’t. This is someone that you’re just programmed to say.

              ” false propaganda from the CDC.”

              Because it’s a conspiracy right. Even though measles is something doctors have to report and this is the same data it somehow magically becomes false if it’s cited by the CDC but okay when cited by a conspiracy nutter.

              “obviously a complete psychiatric case”

              Again, you’re a chronic alcoholic. You have delusions of grandeur. You exhibit signs of narcissistic personality disorder. You can’t form or relay coherent thoughts. Your reading skills are below that of a 10 year old. Your speech is slurred and you always accuse others of your own crimes. You forget things you have done moments after you do them, and your inability to do simple math has left you stumped on more than one occasion. You use key words and phrases out of context. And to boot you claim THIS DATA IS FALSE DATA without evidence nor do you provide the correct data. Shall I go on?

              Your like this energizer bunny of derp derp derp derp.

            • Matt Zukowski

              “You have had all that said and real data in front of you multiple times and from multiple sources.”

              No, you’re a brain damaged alcoholic. Take for example @lindatock:disqus, she cited the instance rate of measles with the US with a break down of how many were not vaccinated making it clear MORE people who are not vaccinated get the disease. Now you kick and scream that’s false data, the CDC bla bla bla bla but you never actually present the “real data”. You present no data at all.

              “obviously a complete psychiatric case”

              This would still be you, the brain damaged alcoholic meat packer who has issues with drinking and driving, compulsive shoplifting and can’t even steal a bike without getting caught. Instead of accepting drinking ALL DAY can result in a BAC of .138% you create an elaborate conspiracy where someone who’s very wealthy just doesn’t like you and paid off 7 cops, a nurse, and a labtech. And when you claim to have evidence you go all cryptic. A “high level investigator” who you never paid, who you can’t name, somehow has PROOF this happened but never wrote anything down. This guy will meet me in my state 2000 miles away but I don’t want to meet him because he’s a tough guy who I presume will mess me up. And somehow, how is unclear, was involved in your assassination attempt which wasn’t resolved by the police though they did “investigate”. It was resolved with an “insane clown posse”. Again no evidence like a police report.

              This is known as cognitive dissonance. On some level you know you’re bat shit crazy so you have to invent excuses why you don’t have evidence.

            • Matt Zukowski

              ” I lied about nothing”

              You lie about all sorts of things Lowell. The insane clown posse that eliminated your would be assassin hired by big pharma. That nameless rich dude who bribed 7 police, a nurse, and a lab tech just to give you a 4th DUI. You lie about little things like a “direct quote from Paul Offit” yet never providing a direct quote. You cite how those with cancer have more aluminium compounds in their blood and still kick and scream it’s not possible for our exposure to be from anything but vaccines.

              “And that entirely dumb so called calculation you did”

              The brain damaged alcoholic doesn’t understand. Firstly more people who are not vaccinated get measles. The story is different with pertussis but you’re still more likely to get pertussis if you’re not vaccinated. THERE ARE MORE VACCINATED PEOPLE DUMB DUMB. If the ratio of of non vs vaccinated is 1:10 and 4:10 people get pertussis, then the risk factor is 400% higher IF YOU’RE NOT VACCINATED.

              Seriously when you drank yourself into oblivion did you neglect to close the microwave door when you heated up your Ore Ita french fries?

            • Sullivan ThePoop

              So, you are delusional instead of a liar? Okay

        • Linda Tock

          The data says that 200 out of 288 measles cases were unvaccinated.

          The data says that 58 out of 288 measles cases had unknown vaccination status.

          The data says that 30 out of 288 measles cases had been vaccinated.

          Proper comparison: for 288 measles cases, 258 (89.5%) had not been vaccinated or had unknown vaccination status) 30 (10%) had received at least one vaccine.

          The outbreak is in the UNVACCINATED.

    • And don’t forget the MMR vaccine risks of developing autism.

      Supporting and replicated study findings. (Endless)
      http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

      Do Vaccines Cause Autism?

      Dr Andrew Wakefield Defends His Research, (a quite lengthy video, but puts the TRUTH front and center, all of it).
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6DuBR_xGQg

      Vaccine Safety Conference Session 15 Dr. Andrew Wakefield

      http://www.vaccinesafetyconference.com/videos.html#WakefieldVideo

      Selective Hearing: Brian Deer and the GMC
      http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/selective-hearing-brian-deer-and-the-gmc/

      New Published Study Verifies Andrew Wakefield’s Research on Autism – Again (MMR Vaccine Causes Autism)
      http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/06/21/new-published-study-verifies-andrew-wakefields-research-on-autism-again-mmr- vaccine-causes-autism/

      Nothing would be enough. Would it?

      • Matt Zukowski

        “Nothing would be enough. Would it?”

        It’s interesting since Wakefield’s research didn’t actually yield a risk of ASD with vaccination. Even if it did what was the sample size, like 8 kids at a birthday party?

        It’s more interesting since he was not able to defend himself in court so why would a YT video of him speaking be evidence?

        • The Wakefield study is beyond old news; quit beating a dead horse when we are riding 100 new horses I refer to as existing studies that all support and or show the same finding, and even with replication as well finding the same and additionally new findings. Nothing would ever be enough.

          http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

          • Matt Zukowski

            So you concede the point. You citing YT videos of Wakefield don’t equal evidence.

            It must be terrible having an alcohol addled brain and not remembering you cited Wakefield dozens of times.

            “and even with replication”

            Wakefields research has NEVER been replicated liar.

            So tell us Lowell, where’s your evidence of KILLED viruses MUTATING causing DISEASE? How can something that is dead MUTATE understanding that in order to MUTATE something has to have the ability to reproduce.

            • No such point was conceded, ever. Is that the only way and in your mind that you can even keep on replying at all, is to claim that everything has been conceded to you? On how many articles now have I over and over repeatedly seen you attempt to claim to that mindless garbage? Produce for me one single vaccine aluminum adjuvant safety profile study that has any conclusive data in it at all regarding confirmation whatsoever of aluminum adjuvant safety? When your done with that also produce any kind of actual data or a study that has ever looked for and at the subject matter of vaccine contamination? That shouldn’t be hard to do now should it; all you have to do is produce one single study that has shown the verified purity of even one single vaccine? You want to ask questions and demand the answer, while yet you refuse to answer even a single question I have ever asked of you.

            • Boris Ogon

              Produce for me one single vaccine aluminum adjuvant safety profile study that has any conclusive data in it at all regarding confirmation whatsoever of aluminum adjuvant safety?

              Here is a review, fuckwit. Do not even dream of opening your fucking gob without reading every single motherfucking reference in the safety section and having something intelligent to say. I don’t even have to look to tell you that Flarend et al. (1997) is open-access, so don’t try giving me any more of your stupid fucking shit about not having a “medical library” conveniently located to your wretched ass.

              Now answer the fucking question that you’ve been using this open-sewer gondola ride to cower-babble behind:

              Where are the “‘Killed’ vaccines … known to mutate and cause disease”?

            • Here is an analysis of your study page, Boris!

              Mechanism of Immunopotentiation and Safety of Aluminum Adjuvants

              The widespread use of aluminum adjuvants can be attributed in part to the excellent safety record based on a 70-year history of use. They cause local inflammation at the injection site, but also reduce the severity of systemic and local reactions by binding biologically active molecules in vaccines.

              Safety of Aluminum-Containing Adjuvants

              Aluminum-containing adjuvants have been used for more than 70 years in billions of doses of vaccines, and have an excellent safety record (Butler et al., 1969; Edelman, 1980; Jefferson et al., 2004).

              [The first study was a mouse study and obviously was not a good comparison to humans, and certainly remains insufficient for data. The second study surely did not show nor prove anything when it states quote: To date, the question of adjuvant safety has not been resolved and represents the major obstacle to the orderly development of adjuvanted vaccines. The fear of inducing cancer and other immediate or long-term perturbations of the immune system must be patently and rationally overcome by basic and applied experimentation and by the development of appropriate guidelines for studies in humans. Unquote. The third study presnts with the unbelievable and obviously false claim of that: quote The frequencies of local reactions of all types, collapse or convulsions, and persistent crying or screaming did not differ between the two cohorts of the trials unquote. This is preposterous because the original DPT vaccine was the most highly reactive vaccine ever made, causing thousands of death and serious seizure disorders. In fact it was largely the reason for and the vaccine that triggered the enactment of the federal vaccine court.]

              [Then the study goes on to state the below. They are first of all not studying humans, they are only studing rabbits. What evidence does the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry have that injected aluminum adjuvants are safe at any level? Where are THEIR studies? Where are the studies as to how much aluminum was left in the brain? They say so much of it was released into the blood, right? Well so what? How much was left in the body and brain? How much is to much even in minute amounts? They simply do not know. How about all of the existing independent studies shwoing that vaccine aluminum adjuvants cause overactiavton of the brains microglia cells and with resulting chronic and long term levels of brin inflammation. Let me guess, YOU have never read any of those studies, right? And you know nothing about the blood brain barrier and as to what is permiable, makes it permiable and not: correct? ]

              Aluminum toxicity from occupational exposure, renal disease, and parenteral nutrition is associated with neurologic disease and bone disease (Willhite et al., 2012). The pharmacokinetics of aluminum following intramuscular injection of AH and AP (0.85 mg/dose) was studied in rabbits using the rare 26Al isotope as a tracer (Flarend et al., 1997). The data indicated that 17% of AH and 51% of AP was released into the blood circulation over a 28 day period. Based on these and other data, it was recently estimated that the concentration of aluminum in blood derived from vaccines administered to infants during the first year of life remains well below the minimum risk level established by the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (Mitkus et al., 2011).

              [All of that is simply preposteous, for the reasons given. As well in all of the studies on that list of references, most all of them only look at the immune stimulating effect of aluminum adjuvants, and littel to nothing more. Just because aluminum adjuvants have been used for 70 to 80 years and without any adequate safety testing, does not that in itself make by that in itself that they have a proven safety profile. Not any more than in claiming that just because mercury containing amalgam tooth fillings have been used for the last 100 years, that-that in itself shows a proven safety profile. This is all simply junk science at its best, attempted to be passed off as real science, when it clearly is not. Its simply nothing but a false smoke screen; smoke and mirrors, literally.]

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3541479/

              ———-

              Vaccine Mutations
              http://www.healthy.net/Health/Article/SPOTLIGHT/6643​

              Mounting Evidence Shows Many Vaccines are Ineffective and Contribute to Rise of Outbreaks Caused by Mutated Viruses
              http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/07/30/whooping-cough-vaccine.aspx

              Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Meryl Nass on Vaccine Adaptations
              http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2013/01/15/dr-nass-on-vaccination.aspx

              Vaccines Are Causing Mutations That May Jeopardize The Health of Future Generations
              http://preventdisease.com/news/12/071712_Vaccines-Are-Causing-Mutations-That-May-Jeopardize-The-Health-of-Future-Generations.shtml

              Vaccines and Genetic Mutation
              http://vran.org/about-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients/biological-ingredients-2/vaccines-and-genetic-mutation/

              Vaccines are causing mutations, creating a similar problem as antibiotics
              http://www.polkmoms.com/forum/topics/are-vaccines-causing-mutations-creating-a-similar-problem-as

              Nigeria Sees Polio Outbreak from Mutated Vaccine Virus
              http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/health-july-dec09-polio_08-24/

            • Matthew Hunt

              Are you a total retard?

              [Where are the “‘Killed’ vaccines … known to mutate and cause disease”?]

              You actually believe dead pathogens can mutate and cause disease? How clueless to you have to be to believe this?

            • Are you sure we are talking about the same thing; as it is quite obvious the information as to what I am talking about is right in front of you. Who is the actual retard; you or me?

            • Boris Ogon

              Are you sure we are talking about the same thing

              Well, it’s clear that your cut-and-paste job had exactly zero bearing on the question that had been posed to you, but I’d remind both you and @disqus_HZNUcuALG9:disqus that “retard” is a term that is properly held in disdain in even the penumbra of vaccine “discussions.”

            • It only has zero bearing because you refused the information. Like I said, obviously nothing would be enough, ever. You Boris really are of and show a fine example of vaccine discussions/debating proper etiquette yourself, there now don’t you? Such hypocrisy.

              I actually when I come onto any article, attempt to be civil and quite patient with these debates. However, there has been for weeks already no way left here allowed to do that any more. You will get the same thing in return for your own disrespect and deliberate repeat personal attacks. You can not honesty expect that to be any other way now can you; considering what exists here, and in what you have been part of.

            • Boris Ogon

              I actually when I come onto any article, attempt to be civil and quite patient with these debates. However, there has been for weeks already no way left here allowed to do that any more.

              Oh, fuck off, you sack of used corncobs. Why didn’t you go “come onto” some other “article” rather demonstrating your utter fucking failure here over and over again?

              Why doesn’t anybody invite you to write guest posts anyplace, Lodwill? I mean, you know exactly, in your own words, nothing that you can actually demonstrate.

              Seriously, why aren’t people just banging down the fucking door of the Great Lodwill Sudds to demand his talents? Why does nobody give a shit about you except when you make a fucking nuisance of yourself, and why can’t you answer simple fucking questions?

            • No, YOU fuck off, you sack of endless lunatic rants! And you can go to another article. The only obvious failure is repeatedly your own, Borshill Spuds.

              As a fact what I stated is entirely fact and true; and I have received quite positive comments many times as to my staying as calm and focused as I normally do in light of the persistent ignorance, denial, and repeat personal attacks people like you come up with. Many actually educated to the facts people, have stated they simply could not do it.

              Actually I have been asked to write articles for such as Vactruth, but they have many good authors and I enjoy just commenting. I was also asked to be a moderator, which I do not have the proper amount of time for. I as well have been asked to come on several radio shows and discuss the issue of autism, vaccine injury, and the issues of vaccine ineffectiveness. To date I have not done any of those because I simply and currently do not have the means by which they want to do that.

              To claim that no one gives a shit about anything I put forth, is only a delusional and complete lie on your part. I know you would like to believe that; but you know if you were to actually get honest, that I do it as good or better than anyone. I am actually really good at what I do, and you know that. You can deny that all you want, Borshill. For people that want to deal in and with honesty, reality, and truth; you are obviously one of the last people on earth anyone would and should ever look for that from.

            • Boris Ogon

              No, YOU fuck off, you sack of endless lunatic rants!

              Oooh, what are you going to do, go back and figure out the really obvious Choctaw Easter egg?

              As a fact what I stated is entirely fact and true

              I guess nobody will ever know, because you freak right the fuck out when called upon to demonstrate that you have the slightest fucking idea of things that you claim expertise about.

              Actually I have been asked to write articles for such as Vactruth, but they have many good authors and I enjoy just commenting. I was also asked to be a moderator, which I do not have the proper amount of time for. I as well have been asked to come on several radio shows and discuss the issue of autism, vaccine injury, and the issues of vaccine ineffectiveness. To date I have not done any of those because I simply and currently do not have the means by which they want to do that.

              Uh-huh. You “simply and currently do not” have a fucking telephone? Have you ever heard of Skype? When you say “radio show,” do you mean something that is broadcast on terrestrial radio, or some dumb fucking pretend Internet “station”? What were these “shows” that Lodwill had to turn down? Have you ever considered the possibility that the bulk of the views on your almost entirely ignored YouTube “channel” might be from people with interests mainly in psychopathology?

              You’re nobody on the antivax scene, Lodwill. You have nothing original. You can’t answer direct questions. You obviously believe that your truly fucking weird pretend-lawyer-speak lends some sort of weight to your empty babbling.

              I don’t know if you got into this hobby because at one time you thought it would get you laid or something, but you’re just plain embarrassingly bad at it.

            • You asked the question as to the difference between Hep B and Hep A, and you received your answer; but nothing was good enough for you, and thus if it was you would not be able to claim something out of nothing. That is how you people work, and amounts to nothing but endless and complete lunacy.

              I did not say I did not have a telephone, as indeed I do. Again you are attempting to speak of something you know nothing about. The specifics are quite obviously none of your business. I simply made the statement that I have been requested to do several different radio shows; which certainly discredits your claim that there is no interest in what I promote, and which is all you will ever need to know. Anything further on your part is simply speculation and desperation sick.

              And is your name really Boris Ogon; I doubt it. And that is your real picture? Provide some proof of your own identity; lets start with that first and next. Or are you one of 25 fake FB and Discus profiles known existing at times provided just for the vaccines shills going after personally harassing and attempting to silence those that dare to put forth the vaccine truth in regard to articles existing on the internet?

              Your put forth youtube video surprisingly it doesn’t work. To bad it is your reality that you simply can not face nor address any of the data and information in that set of videos. Again all you can offer is personal harassment.

              You are repeatedly so full of nothing but sick make it up as you go BS, Borshill; that there is entirely no sense whatsoever in anything you are replying with. Complete lunacy and nonsense, all of it. Quite obviously your increasing desperation indeed shows in the once again this added and mindless rant you have created.

            • Boris Ogon

              You asked the question as to the difference between Hep B and Hep A, and you received your answer

              No, Lodwill, I didn’t “ask the question as to the difference,” I asked you to back up your assertion that you know “exactly” what it is. And everyone got the answer: you were lying. You still can’t even formulate a response for yourself.

              I simply made the statement that I have been requested to do several different radio shows

              And that “I have not done any of those because I simply and currently do not have the means by which they want to do that.” You know what, Lodwill, real radio shows have guests appear by telephone, much less your imaginary ones.

              And is your name really Boris Ogon; I doubt it.

              I’ve been around for a whole lot fucking longer that you have, babycakes. Try using that “sort by date” thing on G—gle.

              And that is your real picture?

              You know what else it has? This thing called “image search,” fuckwit.

              Provide some proof of your own identity

              I’m afraid I don’t have a department of corrections record to offer up. I’ll tell you what, though: I’ll bet you I’m up to date on vaccines. Let’s make it friendly: $2000. Pick a private bookmaker.

              lets start with that first and next.

              Lodwill, I think you may have this place confused with Craigslist.

            • MattZuke

              “You asked the question as to the difference between Hep B and Hep A, and you received your answer”

              I totally don’t see it! And @skepticalraptor:disqus please unflag posts the butthurt bozo flagged

            • MattZuke

              “I did not say I did not have a telephone,”

              You say lot of shit Lowell, most of it makes no sense. We already established that you are a liar.

              “The specifics are quite obviously none of your business”

              This is why we call you a drug addled idiot. You make it a point to make bold claims but when asking about them you turn around and say “none of your business”. If they were not our business why bring them up in the first place? Are we to accept on your word alone you are so awesome you get invited to radio shows? And don’t give me the “I don’t have time” bullshit. You’re a pathetic loser who spends over 16 hours a day online. Maybe it’s your anxiety disorder and real radio doesn’t allow you to be intoxicated on the air?

              “You are repeatedly so full of nothing but sick make it up as you go”

              Do you just string random phrases together? Is that what the world is to you? He doesn’t make it up as he goes. I don’t make it up as I go. YOU MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO. This is why we call you insanely stupid because you say insanely stupid things. You are a fucktard this way and you always accuse others of your own crimes.

            • What? Just more hateful and twisted reply comments from the facts denialist, Zukeshill? Why would I bother wasting the time with this?

              The level of insanity of your ever increasingly twisted reply comments are clearly nothing but a repeat testament to your own complete insanity.

            • MattZuke

              Again you have a reading disorder.

              I pointed out how you go out of your way to talk about yourself and try to elevate your level of importance. Then when asked any question about it you claim it’s none of your business.

              I’m not the one who is insane Lowell. Remember the big pharma assassination attempt, the “insane clown posse”. Remember you’re skeptical the moon landing took place. Remember you think 9/11 was a cover up? Remember your last DUI was also a conspiracy not you drinking all fucking day. No sir, you’re the one who is fucked up, you’re fucked up beyond belief. No I’m not making it up as I go, I’m actually LEARNING how much of a conspiracy nut you really are and what a pathetic little man you are.

            • MattZuke

              You don’t have facts Lowell. You never have facts. You continue to assert more people who get measles are vaccinated BUT you never actually provide facts to back it up. You have yet to explain how a dead pathogen can mutate and cause an infectious disease when dead things can’t reproduce.

              And again you are the one who is insane. You literally think your last DUI was the result of a conspiracy and not drinking all fucking day. Even then you have 4 DUIs, and even if you are innocent on your 4th you’d still have 3 DUIs. This makes you scum of the earth. You have the CEO of Sanford Health assassination attempt that you have yet to provide a police report for. Now why would they pay $75,000 to kill you, fail because of your “insane clown posse” and never try again? Maybe because it never happened and you’re bat shit crazy. You’re a moon-landing conspiracy theorist, 9/11 conspiracy theorist. And you’re a vaccine conspiracy theorist.

              You are mentally ill Lowell. There is NO other logical explanation. Normal people “might” buy into one or two conspiracy theories but are rational enough to accept evidence they were mistaken or mislead. But not you. You literally can’t stand being corrected.

            • MattZuke

              “The level of insanity of your ever increasingly twisted reply comments ”

              http://vaccineconspiracytheorist.blogspot.com/2012/05/review-revisit-recap.html

              I always learn something new from you, like you can cure cancer with urine. Really?

            • MattZuke

              Come on butthurt alcoholic. Show us evidence you’ve been invited to many radio shows. Now keep in mind this people who wear tinfoil hats because of main control rays also get invited to speak on terrestrial radio, so this doesn’t really give you credibility. But I’m calling bullshit as you’re an attention whore and you obviously have no life thus no excuse not to skype in your insanity.

            • notation

              Hahahaha! Wow, Low-balls, you’re really devolving into insanity yourself.

              Why don’t you just explain one of the studies you cited? Why can’t you even manage to post a single coherent argument or at the very least, a coherent and grammatically correct sentence?

              Do you not see a trend here, Low-balls? Doesn’t it occur to you that everyone here might be right about you?
              Go to a mental health hospital and get some help. You need it.

            • MattZuke

              “Why would I bother wasting the time with this?”

              Because you’re mentally ill. You wasted your time with this for pretty much a month solid.

              “The level of insanity of your ever increasingly twisted ”

              How are they twisted? Do you have a twisted gauge? How do you quantify twist? Oh that’s right, Lowell just uses the term randomly for no adequate reason.
              “your own complete insanity”

              The moon landing was a hoax, 9/11 was a government conspiracy, you can cure cancer with urine, big pharma paid $50k to hire a hitman for someone who has a barely read blog and no credibility and never considered paying for another one. This is you Lowell. You are completely insane. You are in dire need of mental help.

              Now most of us might buy into SOME of these conspiracies until we see evidence to the contrary. This is the bit that evades you, you continue to believe bullshit and you literally look for more bullshit to believe. I guess accepting the minority belief makes you feel special and better than the other sheep but you accepting crap without critical review also makes you a sheep.

            • Says the most entirely twisted, ridiculous, mentally and spiritually defective and insane man to ever become a vaccine shill.

              Why don’t you discuss something of actual relevance?

              Written by a partner vaccine truth advocate: The best thing to do when a vaccine reaction occurs. Take child to the Emergency room and have doctors collect blood sample to evaluate the “cytokine” and specifically look at the inflammatory cytokines, save the info because these lab values document and validate the vaccine reaction in medical and legal arenas. Another area is to have verification to say NO to any more vaccines. In addition, recent studies confirm that kids with autism and ASD have mothers with elevated inflammatory cytokines and kids with autism and ASD have elevated inflammatory cytokines.

              Inflammatory Cytokines & Receptors
              http://www.qiagen.com/products/genes%20and%20pathways/complete%20biology%20list/inflammatory%20cytokines%20and%20receptors?cmpid=QFDKUS20inflammatorycytokines_Adwords_SEM_NA

              The Mechanisms of Vaccine Injury and Via Cytokine Storm
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-mechanisms-of-vaccine-injury-and-via-cytokine-storm.html

            • MattZuke

              “Why don’t you discuss something of actual relevance?”

              See how mentally ill you are. In the above post you’re accusing me of being in a pic with a bong. This would be odd as I don’t smoke pot, but not impossible as pot is legal in Washington. I know it’s hard to grasp but seeing a bong doesn’t always equal pot use which doesn’t always equal pothead. This would just be people like you who have substance abuse issues like with Paxil and Alcohol. But you’re see deranged you go off on a tangent about bongs and complain about me pointing out you’re a delusional alcoholic.

              As for the rest this has already been addressed in great detail by others but you’re so brain damaged you forgot. You understand the difference. You’re falsely trying to accuse me of being a drug addict where I’m rightly reminding you that YOU ARE A DRUG ADDICT and extensive drug use addled your brain. Understand the difference. Well likely not because you’re brain damaged.

            • MattZuke

              “Says the most entirely twisted, ridiculous, mentally and spiritually ”

              Talk about delusional. I’m spiritually twisted? What the hell does this mean delusional alcoholic? I worship the wrong god in the wrong way? You’re really off your rocket on this one.

              “Why don’t you discuss something of actual relevance?”

              Says the nutty delusional fruit bat who seems to think I’m spiritually twisted. Frankly I don’t give a flying fuck what sort of god(s) you worship, how you do it, nor your interface with the numinous. Go to where ever to worship, paint your face blue, and dance naked in the middle of a salt circle while masturbating to Yaz and the Plastic Population with a half dozen Ferbies up your arse in praise of Ishum. Give a fuck factor zero, same as someone who collects stamps, does crosswords, or has a collection of tats on their penis. I not my place to say what is right or wrong in terms of spirituality. But you can’t be all that spiritual since you’re an abject scumbag. Anyone who would drive drunk so often simply gives no shit about others. An asshat who shoplifts for kicks only cases about themselves. You’re a self serving pathetic little man who only gives a shit about making yourself feel important at the expense of others. Spirituality can be a beautiful thing that creates an abstract connection among men. A narcissistic douche bag like yourself seeking self glorification isn’t exactly a spiritual platform unless you think you’re god. And if you were god I’d change religions or opt out.

              I do my best to make a positive contribution to the world I live in. I have friends and connections and work in way which touches others. I do a modest amount of charity work, love work parties painting houses, and crunch numbers to save people money. I don’t know if this is spirituality but it’s gotta be orders of magnitude more spiritual than a vile piece of shit such as yourself. I care about those in my life. You can’t give two shits for anyone but yourself. Your seriously that guy if I shared a place of worship with I’d leave.

            • Says the entirely angry and crazed man who decided to become a vaccine shill because and after he failed when he tried to work in actual modern medicine. Says the hypocritical man who takes pictures next to a bong.

            • MattZuke

              “Says the entirely angry and crazed man ”

              Didn’t you just say

              [Why would I bother wasting the time with this?]

              “who decided to become a vaccine shill because and after he failed when he tried to work in actual modern medicine”

              This doesn’t make sense. I tried to work in modern medicine? And vaccines are part of modern medicine.

              “Says the hypocritical man who takes pictures next to a bong.”

              I’m pretty sure you’re a liar. I say pretty sure since pot is actually legal in Washington, and legal in bars for a time. As such it’s possible I may have shared a pic with a bong. But as always citation needed. But as always I suspect you saw a pic and made up a story to go with it.

            • MattZuke

              You’re pretty brain damaged since you’re flagging these posts asking you to show me the pic with me with a bong. Obviously you’re a vile piece of shit who makes up crap. I “hope” it’s the same thing with your obsession with pedophile pornographers.

              Me, I don’t smoke pot. I don’t give a crap if you do. You’ve proven you shouldn’t drink alcohol because you can’t say no, you can’t say when, and you’re a dumb ass who drinks all day and drives around then complains about a conspiracy rather than admitting drinking ALL FUCKING DAY can result in a BAC of .138%.

              BTW this is a great example of libel. Given at ANY point I will test negative for THC I can prove you’re full of shit at any time. That’s you… Mr. full of shit douche trumpet.

            • MattZuke

              Hey butthurt alcoholic. Where’s this pic of me with a bong, let alone MANY. This is the problem with Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Sometimes you’re just full of shit because you make up shit. Other times you are full of shit because you believe shit you made up. Which is it scumbag. And before you flag this as spam you are scum of the earth accusing people of being drug addicts who aren’t. And before you go all wacko on me you were in pound you up the ass prison and you were addicted to Paxil so I can call you a drug addict. You can’t call me one because I’m not.

            • notation

              This from the doofus who posts a picture of himself in a tank top looking like the poster child for “Rednecks.”

            • notation

              Explain precisely what is false about what Boris posted?

            • You obviously have an issue with proper reading comprehension noteshill, that can not be corrected. A deliberate issue.

              What do you not get about that Boris does not have a clue as to what he is talking about, and simply makes it all up as he goes. He is one angry and very obsessed shill. Pathetic.

            • notation

              So you can’t point to even a single thing he’s said that you find to be false?

              I thought as much.

            • notation

              I notice you have not been able to refute a thing Boris and Skeptical Raptor have written, either in the lead article or in the comment section. You simply stomp your hairy little feet and scream, and you expect everyone to simply accept that you have some facts that are relevant.

              You don’t.

            • notation

              Just a question, Bubbles: What is a “deliberate issue,” exactly?

            • MattZuke

              “an issue with proper reading comprehension noteshill”

              What’s with the superfluous words here Lowell? Trying to sound smart? Doesn’t work. Either you have reading comprehension, as in understand what is written, or you don’t. @notation:disqus doesn’t equal note. The fact you transpose an e for the a indicates a reading disorder. If you didn’t have this issue you’d call ‘them’ Notashill.

              “A deliberate issue”

              Doesn’t make sense. I’m guessing you’re claiming someone is being obtuse but then that would mean they have no actual “proper” reading disorder.

              And what was this about you not having the ‘ability’ to go on a “radio show”? You’ve been here every day flagging posts so you really have no life.

            • MattZuke

              “and simply makes it all up as he goes”

              Are you some deranged pull string toy that spews random phrases that make no sense? YOU make it up as you go Lowell. It’s how you get chemistry has little to nothing to do with human physiology and dead vaccines mutating and causing disease.

              And again nutjob YOU are here EVERY DAY for over a month! You are the obsessed shill, or you would be if your time was worth paying for.

            • Boris Ogon

              What do you not get about that Boris does not have a clue as to what he is talking about

              Lodwill, it would really help if you could work that primitive arithmetic question (or demonstrate even a crude understanding of immunology) before choosing to bring a matrix of stuff that you managed to work out of your pants to the table as some sort of likely contagious declaration of triumph.

            • notation

              Well? Come on, Low-balls, why the delay? What is a “deliberate issue”? What, exactly, is it that you think (and I use the word loosely) I don’t comprehend? Why don’t you explain what it is, precisely, that is false in any of Boris’s statements? You write a whole word salad every time you post; why not use some of them to explain what you mean instead of just slobbering?

              Boris’s posts don’t sound angry or obsessive. Projecting again? You’re the one who doesn’t know what you’re talking about. You can’t even step up and explain the studies you cite. You don’t understand them at all.

            • What part of that there is zero factual information in any reply posts which so called Boris has made, (don’t you get), you entirely sick and twisted idiot? Mr No Balls, hides his actual identity under the character name, notation.

            • MattZuke

              As opposed to you who shares who you are and we learn you have no credibility. You’re literally a criminal, have an odd obsession with child pornographers, and you’re a thief.

              Not that anyone would listen to you if you went anonymous.

            • notation

              Of course there is factual information in Boris’s posts. You are, in fact, a fucktard. He’s absolutely right about that. You can’t explain the studies you link. That’s true. You prove it every time you post. You have yet to explain what a “deliberate issue” is. You can’t even manage to get the “you’re”/”your” thing straight, dude. You’re a clown. Everyone knows it but you and the other clowns.

              Keep on raving, lunatic. It’s most entertaining to watch you flailing. I especially adore how angry you are that sane people don’t post under their real names. It’s a hoot!

            • Isn’t pharma and all their multiple vaccines just wonderful?

              BMJ. Oct 23, 1999; 319(7217): 1133.
              PMCID: PMC1116914
              Association between type 1 diabetes and Hib vaccine
              Causal relation is likely
              J Barthelow Classen,
              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1116914/

              “Hib immunization contributed to an increased risk for H. influenzae type a meningitis through selection of circulating H. influenzae type a clones.” ” the incidence for H. influenzae type a meningitis increased 8-fold”
              http://jid.oxfordjournals.org/content/187/1/109.full.pdf+html

              Written by a partner vaccine truth advocate: btw the CDC warns that if you have latex allergy to avoid the Hep B vaccine, one must ask how they know a newborn has a latex allergy and the common sense is that the vaccine is causing these allergies. My sister had a liver transplant last November, due to diagnosis over a decade ago of ‘autoimmune hepatitis. Once said to be rare, I personally know 12 people with the diagnosis and all are healthcare professionals who were injected with Hep B vaccine decades ago. The physicians in the liver clinics have remarked how they are seeing this diagnosis more frequently. When informed of how many people we know with the diagnosis and how we think its due to the Hep B vaccine, rather than be dismissed, the doctors respond; “That’s an interesting idea.” We are lobbying the medical profession to include the question of whether they had the vaccine in the screening of patients. We believe that when the professionals see the high incidence in the vaccine populations this could result in further questioning and possible removal as mandatory.

              “According to Hippocratic tradition, the safety level of a preventive medicine must be very high, as it is aimed at protecting people against diseases that they may not contract. This paper points out that information on the safety of hepatitis B vaccine (HBV) is biased as compared to classical requirements of evidence-based medicine (EBM), as exemplified by a documented selectivity in the presentation or even publication of available clinical or epidemiological data. Then, a review is made of data suggesting that HBV is remarkable by the frequency, the severity and the variety of its complications, some of them probablyrelated to a mechanism of molecular mimicry leading to demyelinating diseases, and the others reproducing the spectrum of non-hepatic manifestations of natural hepatitis B. To be explained, this unusual spectrum of toxicity requires additional investigations based upon complete release of available data.”

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15722255

              Hepatitis B Vaccine for Infants: Is it Worth it, and the Risk?
              http://www.vacfacts.info/hepatitis-b-vaccine-for-infants-is-it-worth-it-and-the-risk.html

              “Vaccine-type rotavirus was detected in all 50 antigen-positive specimens and 8 of 8 antigen-negative specimens. Nine (75%) of 12 EIA-positive and 1 EIA-negative samples tested culture-positive for vaccine-type rotavirus. Fecal shedding of rotavirus vaccine virus after the first dose of RV5 occurred over a wide range of post-vaccination days not previously studied.” (So, how is that ever worth it, when the vaccine spreads the pathogen, irregardless of being effective? And hwo would that ever eradicate the said pathogen? It never would.)

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21477676

              The risk of unknown contamination in ALL vaccines, is VERY high. Historically, and to date, most vaccines ARE and have been contaminated with substances that can do nothing but create adverse health conditions.

              And what have they always told us about current vaccines created with the use of aborted fetal cell tissue; they told us that there is no way possible for any contamination to get and come through, right? Guess what, they were clearly wrong.

              Vaccine Production With – Human Diploid Cells (aborted fetal cell tissue)
              http://www.vacfacts.info/vaccine-production-with—human-diploid-cells-aborted-fetal-cell—tissue.html

              The newly published study states:

              “ Additionally, a baboon endogenous virus strain M7 was detected, likely due to the monkey cell line in which RotaTeq was produced from.”

              “ The sample of RotaTeq vaccine tested positive for rotavirus A and baboon endogenous virus, as previously reported by Victoria and colleagues [17]. The origin of the baboon endogenous virus is assumed to be related to the African green monkey-derived Vero cell line used in its manufacture and cross-hybridization of its endogenous retroviruses to the baboon endogenous retrovirus probes [17].

              Microarray analysis did not detect PCV from the RotaTeq vaccine, which confirmed the previous results from Victoria et al. that LLMDA detected PCV from Rotarix but did not detect PCV from the RotaTeq vaccine [17]. However, PCV2 in RotaTeq vaccine was detected by PCR assays. RotaTeq contained small PCV-1 and PCV-2 genome fragments but did not contain detectable larger portions of PCV genomes [30]. Studies have shown that the amount of PCV in RotaTeq was about 4000 times lower than the PCV in Rotarix, with the PCV in RotaTeq being barely detectable [25, 31, 32]. A case study by Ranucci et al. has reported that the concentration of PCV-2 DNA fragment in clinical consistency lots was in the range of below limit of detection to 6.4 × 103 copies/mL when measured by QPCR, and that PCV1 was below limit of detection (0.1–0.8 × 103 copies/mL) [30]. ”

              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3980782/

              Do you actually think they even know what they are doing in the development of modern day vaccines? And do they care? Obviously not.

              “The use of tumorigenic and tumor-derived cells is a major safety concern due to the potential presence of viruses such as retroviruses and oncogenic (CANCER) DNA viruses that could be associated with tumorigencity, Therefore, detection of persistent, latent DNA viruses, and endogenous retroviruses in vaccine cell substrates is important for vaccine safety, particularly in the development of live viral vaccines, where there are no or minimal virus inactivation and removal steps during vaccine manufacturing.”

              http://www.fda.gov/biologicsbloodvaccines/scienceresearch/biologicsresearchareas/ucm127327.htm

              Gardasil-The Flagship Example of the Failure of Vaccine Authorities to Regulate and Assure Vaccine Safety
              http://www.vacfacts.info/gardasil-the-flagship-example-of-the-failure-of-vaccine-authorities-to-regulate-and-assure-vaccine-safety.html

              Military’s use of malaria drug in question
              Pentagon studies Lariam’s side effects after soldiers’ suicides
              http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/05/20/lariam/

            • notation

              You still can’t explain what the studies mean, can you? All you can do is cut-and-paste, Bubbles.

              Vaccines save lives. The HepB vaccine can prevent liver cancer. Gardasil can help prevent cervical cancer. You’re an idiot. All facts.

            • MattZuke

              “You obviously have an issue with proper reading comprehension ”

              What’s with the superfluous words alcoholic? Either you have reading comprehension, which you understand what you read, or you don’t which is you dumb skull. Now back to the fucking question what is actually false.

              “He is one angry and very obsessed shill. ”

              Says the man who really things big pharma tried to assassinate him. Okay we are not actually shills, as in no one is actually paying us to engage you. You’re this worthless scumbag. You can check out your Alexa ranking to see virtually NO ONE reads your webpage. So why would ANYONE be paid to engage such a worthless turd? This said YOU ARE THE SHILL, that is, if someone actually paid you that is. You’re not worth paying for.

            • Admit it, you are nothing but a clueless shill that simply makes up personal attacks as you go. Nothing will be replied to that has nothing but twisted and nonfactual claims and statements in it. You are a twisted and sick little man who likes his pot and takes pictures next a to fancy bong, and became a vaccine shill because he couldn’t make it in the world of working in actual modern medicine. VacFacts.Info

            • MattZuke

              “you are nothing but a clueless shill that simply makes up personal attacks as you go”

              No delusional alcoholic. This is the problem about having an alcohol addled brain. You forget you air your dirty laundry EVERYWHERE. This is you, you are a worthless piece of shit. You are FUCKING delusional beyond words. I don’t make this stuff up. This is the real deal. This is you Lowell.

              “You are a twisted and sick little man who likes his pot and takes pictures next a to fancy bong”

              What fancy bong delusional alcoholic. Is this one of those pink elephants you delusional nutters see or are you so stupid you think something else that is not a bong is a bong. Given your comprehension disorder this could be plausible.

              This is where you concede to your substance abuse problem. I could hypothetically go to a store and buy pot if I wished. I choose not to but if I did this wouldn’t make me a pot head. You’re the scumbag with no self control who can’t do the same thing.

            • MattZuke

              “You obviously have an issue with proper reading comprehension ”

              You either have reading comprehension or you don’t. It’s silly to add the modifier PROPER. You Lowell have no reading comprehension to speak of. How many times do we have to explain your sources that you either NEVER read or simply didn’t understand?

              ” that can not be corrected. A deliberate issue.”

              This doesn’t make sense. If it’s a deliberate issue it can be corrected, yes? It’s a bit like someone being obtuse, which is actually not an issue but willfully being annoying.

              “He is one angry and very obsessed shill.”

              That would be you Lowell, if you were worth paying and if people payed attention to you and took you seriously. You go apeshit when asked simple questions like what is false. It kind of demonstrates what a liar you are.

            • Says the man who himself is obviously insane and every word he states is a twisted and hypocritical misrepresentation and/or a repeat and blatant lie; making it up has he goes.

              I have answered every question I have found, and completely. Just because you do not find the answer and references acceptable, does not mean nothing was answered. That is why (and unlike you) I am here to start with to answer the relevant questions as to the vaccine issues.

              It sure is ironic that the people that write blogs like this, are the real lunatics and as well as obviously any of the articles shill based supporters. It is just a repeat cycle of denial and complete hypocrisy.

              By the way, none of the vaccine truth people are ever paid to do any of the vaccine information interviews, nor the radio shows and recorded informational meetings that they do. Unlike you, those people do it just because it is right and so needed, and without pay. Truth walks in the open sunlight and fears nothing.

              VACCINE SHEDDING & CONTAMINATION on Public Advocate Radio http://www.blogtalkradio.com/publicadvocate/2014/07/14/vaccine-shedding-contamination-jessica-ploughe-with-host-sallie-o-elkordy

              Exposing the myth of vaccination essential information you need to know to be fully informed
              http://www.slideshare.net/db61/exposing-the-myth-of-vaccination-essential-information-you-need-to-know-to-be-fully-informed-30978670?qid=34f5659a-c0eb-4367-a0d3-f8465cb3c03b&v=default&b&from_search=1

            • MattZuke

              ” have answered every question I have found, and completely.”

              Bullshit! You never explained how dead pathogens in vaccines can mutate and cause disease. You never explained how chemistry has little to nothing to do with human physiology.

              “Just because you do not find the answer and references acceptable, does not mean nothing was answered.”

              You lying sack of shit. Seriously. What about that math question you refused to address?

              “It sure is ironic that the people that write blogs like this, are the real lunatics”

              Still would be you Lowell. You are a moon landing conspiracy theorist, a 9/11 conspiracy theorist, and a vaccine conspiracy theorist. You believe someone paid $75,000 to hire a hit on you and you believe that attempt was thwarted by an “insane clown posse”. You drove drunk until your late 40s and got caught 4 times at least. You shoplifted for kicks, you stole a bike. You have some creepy knowledge of the pedo-porn industry but refuse to tell the cops. You have nothing more than a high school education and somehow an alcoholic meat packer knows more than 99.9% of the doctors on the planet. You’re the real lunatic Lowell. You literally would be in a nut house if it was before 1950. You are actually insane Lowell.

            • LawrenceNeal

              ” are you one of 25 fake FB and Discus profiles known existing at times provided just for the vaccines shills going after personally harassing and attempting to silence those that dare to put forth the vaccine truth in regard to articles existing on the internet?”

              Would love to have that list.

            • MattZuke

              “I have received quite positive comments many times as to my staying as calm and focused ”

              You are not calm and focused. You are a deranged lunatic.

              “Many actually educated to the facts people,”

              You’ve not demonstrated you’re educated. In fact your ONLY claim to fame is you graduated high school and claim to have a “college” reading level. Now it doesn’t exactly mean what you think it means. College reading level means you’re ready to start college. But even if we accept this is true you don’t understand your subject matter at all and your math skills are not adequate.

              And it should be patently obvious that you IGNORED the question posed to you. So either you don’t know the answer or you know you were full of shit when you said it. Dodge and weave.

              “Actually I have been asked to write articles for such as Vactruth,”

              That’s not something a sane person would admit to.

              “I as well have been asked to come on several radio shows”

              What, so people can laugh at you? Keep in mind that men who wear tin foil hats and claim they were probed by aliens are also invited to radio shows.

              “To date I have not done any of those ”

              Ah, this is your narcissistic personality disorder. You’re going to claim you’re an important person with lots of offers but never the time to accept. Now we know in reality you literally spend days online jabbering uselessly with anyone and anyone. So you totally have the time so you must be a liar.

              “To claim that no one gives a shit about anything I put forth, ”

              Because for the most part no one gives a shit. Your website vacfacts.org has a global Alexa rank of 6,919,921. Average page views per visitor is 1. The top 5 sites linking to your page are actually from you posting your own URL on blogs. If people gave a shit what you said they would link it from their own blogs, and they would view more than one page before leaving.

            • Matthew Hunt

              Maybe you can explain to Vactruth how “‘Killed’ vaccines … known to mutate and cause disease”. They can post it on their blog and we can laugh. I’m looking at your response and you’re not actually answering my question. You’re stroking your own horn telling us how people respect and like you but not one word is given to the question I gave you.

            • notation

              Post any request you’ve received to do a show, Low-balls. The only posters who up-vote you are idiots like suz norcan and Sablemouseturd.

            • At least I use a real identity instead of hiding behind a character name, No-balls, notation! And I don’t shill for pharma and the medical side, without any identity.

              The Attempted Suppression of and the Silencing of the Vaccine Truth
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-suppression-and-silencing-of-the-vaccine-truth-and-reality.html

              Why more vaccines won’t translate to better health

              If vaccination was such a good method of disease prevention we should have been able to eradicate many contagious disease, but alas, records show that except small pox we have not been able to eradicate any contagious disease to date

              http://www.moneylife.in/article/why-more-vaccines-wont-translate-to-better-health/38107.html

              The Attempted Suppression of and the Silencing of the Vaccine Truth
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-suppression-and-silencing-of-the-vaccine-truth-and-reality.html

              The Current Failure of Pertussis and Measles Vaccine
              http://www.vacfacts.info/the-current-failure-of-pertussis-and-measles-vaccine.html

              Response to – The AAP Revises Their Vaccine Refusal Form – 2013
              http://www.vacfacts.info/response-to—the-aap-revises-their-vaccine-refusal-form—2013.html

              Informed Consent / Vaccine Risks Disclosure Form
              http://www.vacfacts.info/informed-consent–vaccine-risks-disclosure-form.html

              Recovered Family: The Beck Family

              Recovered Family: The Berle Family

              Mother Explains Vaccine Injury, Deteriorating Health, Autism, and Why Not To Vaccinate

              Autistic Child Fully Recovered with Biomedical Treatment for Autism – Holly Riley

              Biomedical Treatment in Autism (ASD)
              http://www.vacfacts.info/biomedical-treatment-in-autism-asd.html

              Canary Kids Film Project
              https://www.facebook.com/CanaryKidsFilmProject/timeline#!/photo.php?v=892587804088929&set=vb.682900498390995&type=2&theater

              https://www.facebook.com/#!/CanaryKidsFilmProject/timeline

              WE WANT THE FACTS
              Where did this science come from? NLM, NIH, CDC, FDA, OXFORD JOURNALS, PUBMED…WHERE YOUR DR GETS HIS INFORMATION. (Besides the sales reps selling the vaccines to him)
              http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

              Vaccine Video Library
              http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!video-library/ccl8

              Vaccine Injured Children
              http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!injured-children/c1atx

            • notation

              So you still can’t explain any of these studies? I thought as much.

              Why don’t you copy and paste all the requests you’ve had from media outlets for your input, No-balls?

              As for anonymity, too bad for you if you can’t take the fact that this forum doesn’t require me to post under my real name. Suck on it.

            • MattZuke

              “At least I use a real identity”

              Actually this makes you a stupid fuck as we know you’re a fucking criminal. You however are a coward.

              “And I don’t shill for pharma and the medical side, without any identity.”

              No one does this Lowell. This is your imagination. Just like your assassination attempt.

            • Boris Ogon

              At least I use a real identity instead of hiding behind a character name, No-balls, notation!

              Lodwill, it was weird enough when you started demanding dick pics from me, but now I’m wondering whether you would even be able to interpret them.

            • notation

              “You sack of used corncobs.” I really love this!

            • Boris Ogon

              I made it up all by my lonesome and appreciate your appreciation. I hereby release it into the public domain with hopes for the betterment of mankind. “Snort my taint” it isn’t, but I can only try.

            • Matthew Hunt

              I will refrain from using it in future. I know it’s offensive. I was just trying to provoke a response. I got it.

            • Matthew Hunt

              That would be you. The information is not right in front of me because you’ve never explained how killed vaccines can mutate and cause disease.

              How how am I the r***** asking you to explain something that you didn’t explain at all that is so impossible only an absolute moron would propose such a thing?

            • MattZuke

              Let’s look at your argument. Oh it’s I’m not a retard you’re a retard. Well retard is an offensive term I would thank you to not use it fucktard. You kind of avoid this question about dead pathogens because you know DEAD THINGS CAN’T MUTATE you are a stupid fuck.

            • It is all to easily seen who the real stupid fuck is, and that is clearly you. Selective ignorance or complete stupidity, which is it? Quite obviously it is as mix of both.

            • MattZuke

              No, it’s patently obvious it’s you, the man who literally claim dead pathogens can mutate and cause disease. This makes you a stupid fuck. I’m not a stupid fuck because I asked you about it and you still can’t defend your statement. Your ego prevents you from admitting you were dead wrong on something so simple like how the flying fuck can something dead reproduce. And yes, in order to mutate there must be a genetic change and that change MUST be passed down do the descendants. As such DEAD THINGS CAN’T MUTATE YOU INSANE STUPID FUCK. No dead thing will EVER be able to mutate… because it’s dead.

              You are this insanely stupid. You don’t understand what dead means.

            • Matthew Hunt

              The man who claims to be an expert who then freaks out when asked simple questions about his expertise would be the stupid fuck. The man who gets asked questions, claims he answered them, and never did, would be the stupid fuck. The attention whore who claims to get invited to radio shows, doesn’t have the ability to, yet spends hours upon hours babbling incomprehensibly would be a stupid fuck. The man who can’t remember he he claimed to be drinking Michelob before getting arrested, changes his story to drinking a good deal more would be the stupid fuck.

            • notation

              Why can’t you answer the challenge, Bubbles? How can a dead virus mutate?

            • notation

              I can answer the first question: yes, Bubbles is indeed a total retard.

            • These kind of studies. These are the real and independent studies and as to an example of that right here, Boris.

              Journal of Toxicology-Research Article
              The Severity of Autism Is Associated with Toxic Metal Body Burden and Red Blood Cell Glutathione Levels, (full study)
              http://www.hindawi.com/journals/jt/2009/532640/

              Aluminum Induced Immunoexcitotoxicity in Neurodevelopmental and Neurodegenerative Disorders
              http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/documents/Aluminum-Blaylock.pdf

              Journal of American Nutraceutical Association 6: 21-35, 2003.
              Interaction of Cytokines, Excitotoxins, and Reactive Nitrogen and Oxygen Species in Autism Spectrum Disorders, Russell Blaylock, MD* Medical Director, Advanced Nutritional Concepts Ridgeland, Mississippi
              http://www.nutrimedical.com/news.jhtml?method=view&news.id=1084

              Autism Spectrum Disorders and Aluminum Vaccine Adjuvants
              http://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4614-4788-7_89

              Review
              Empirical Data Confirm Autism Symptoms Related to Aluminum and Acetaminophen Exposure
              http://people.csail.mit.edu/seneff/Entropy/entropy-14-02227.pdf

              N Am J Med Sci. 2009 July; 1(2): 28–47.
              What is regressive autism and why does it occur? Is it the consequence of multi-systemic dysfunction affecting the elimination of heavy metals and the ability to regulate neural temperature?
              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3364648/

              Slow CCL2-dependent translocation of biopersistent particles from muscle to brain
              http://www.biomedcentral.com/1741-7015/11/99

              The NALP3 inflammasome is involved in neurotoxic prion peptide-induced microglial activation
              http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/9/1/73/abstract

              Neuro-inflammation, blood-brain barrier, seizures and autism
              Theoharis C Theoharides1234* and Bodi Zhang12
              http://www.jneuroinflammation.com/content/8/1/168

              Evidence of oxidative damage and inflammation associated with low glutathione redox status in the autism brain
              http://www.nature.com/tp/journal/v2/n7/full/tp201261a.html

              Biol Trace Elem Res. 2013 Feb;151(2):171-80. doi: 10.1007/s12011-012-9551-1. Epub 2012 Nov 29.
              Toxicological status of children with autism vs. neurotypical children and the association with autism severity.
              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23192845

              Toxicological & Environmental Chemistry
              Volume 94, Issue 8, 2012
              Maternal transfer of mercury to the developing embryo/fetus: is there a safe level? (Flu shots with Thimerosal)
              http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02772248.2012.724574#.UuF482Tna2V

              Ann Clin Psychiatry. 2009 Jul-Sep;21(3):148-61.
              Phenotypic expression of autoimmune autistic disorder (AAD): a major subset of autism.
              http://www.aacp.com/pdf%2F2103%2F2103ACP_Research1.pdf
              http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19758536

              A Parent’s Primer: Vasculitis and Vaccines, (More inflammation problems, likely due to the aluminum adjuvants, this time its in the blood vessels. Referenced)
              http://sanevax.org/a-parents-primer-vasculitis-and-vaccines/

              Numerous studies regarding the MMR vaccine
              http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

              Computational Detection of Homologous Recombination Hotspots in X-Chromosome Autism Associated Genes
              Sound Choice Pharmaceutical Institute, Seattle, WA
              http://download.pdf-world.net/Computational-Detection-of-Homologous-Recombination-Hotspots-in-X-download-w4554.html

              For Scientific Data: Homologous Recombination Study
              http://www.cogforlife.org/SCPIIMFARHR.pdf

              Autism

              The dangers of using aborted fetal cell lines for vaccine manufacture have been debated by the FDA for over 50 years, and yet they have not done sufficient safety studies. The active component of a vaccine is a virus. Viruses are too large to manufacture in test tubes. Therefore, vaccine manufacturers exploit the natural method of producing virus– they inoculate
              cells and the cells produce the virus for them. Each vial of vaccine contains contaminants from the cells used to make the virus. When we use animal cells to make viruses, the residual material is not human and so we mount an immune response to it and eliminate it. However, in the case of vaccines produced using aborted human fetal cell lines, we have the dangers of triggering an autoimmune response and insertion of the contaminating DNA to disrupt the child’s own genes.

              In the US, autism has spiked up in 3 distinct years, called changepoints. The first changepoint occurred in 1981, the second in 19881, and the third in 1996. These spikes coincide with the introduction of vaccines that are produced in aborted fetal cells. In 1979, aborted fetal cell produced MMR II was approved in the US. Compliance campaigns brought MMR II use up from as low as 49% for children born before 1987 to over 82% for children born in 1989 and later. A second dose of MMR II was also introduced to the vaccination schedule for children born in 1988 and later. The third changepoint corresponds to the approval of aborted fetal cell produced Varivax (chickenpox) in 1995 (See figure below).

              Read more: http://soundchoice.org/autism/

              Whats next Boris? More swearing, name calling, and personal attack? To ignore all that, and to do so; clearly shows that you are not interested in the vaccine truth, but only in denial of clear and obvious reality.

      • Linda Tock

        There are no MMR risks of developing autism. That horse has been beaten until it’s pining for the fjords.

        • There is, in hundreds of peer-reviewed articles, no evidence that vaccines do not cause autism. Only idiots keep repeating this trope. Amusing. But boring.

          • How many studies can you count here all supporting and/ or near to replicating that 1998 study and with finding the same, similar, and additional findings?

            http://www.callous-disregard.com/research.htm

            • Boris Ogon

              Why are you desperately flailing around to distract from your inability to answer this question?

              Where are the “‘Killed’ vaccines … known to mutate and cause disease”?

            • Linda Tock

              Because he has no answer. He knows it, therefore when pressed for the answer he tries to change the subject.

              It’s Lowell’s usual trope.

            • This should be more than concerning to any parent out there, and individual considering vaccines. Here we go Tock; more false discreditat