California eggs are more expensive – thank pseudoscience

There are lots of things that annoy scientists. Creationists. Climate change deniers. The antivaccination horde. GMO haters. The list really is quite long.

I talk about most of them quite a bit, because they are so fun to mock. And their denial can be harmful to our society and many species (including our own, humans). And these anti-science groups seem to ignore the consequences of their denialism.

One day I was grocery shopping, and I noticed that my California eggs are more expensive – why? Then I investigated it, and found out there were two reasons: first our massive drought. Not much we can do about that, except glare at the climate change deniers.

But the second reason troubled me quite a bit. And that’s the point of this article.



There’s one anti-science group that can truly irritate the scientific community–animal rights activists. With little or no consideration of the effects of their “beliefs,” they attack scientific research on animals, they attack most kinds of livestock agriculture, and whatever else is the cause of the day.

Yes, these activists sometimes have good motives. They essentially rely upon the words widely attributed to Mohandas Gandhi, but not found in his works, “the greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated.”

Whether or not Gandhi ever said that (more likely not), it really should state that the “greatness of a nation should be judged on the way it treats its weakest citizens.”

You know, like making sure that all citizens are vaccinated against infectious and deadly diseases. Making certain that everyone has access to affordable and high quality health care. Not causing food prices to rise because of GMO labeling and other nonsense.

However, I will concede that the animal rights groups sometimes do good things. They fight against abuse against pets. They have fought for appropriate standards for how we treat animals in movies, laboratories, and other places.

The problem is that they then push some sort of pseudoscience as the basis of their activism, without any realization of the consequences of their activities.

For example, they make some really broad unscientific claims, especially in basic medical research that uses animal models. They think that biomedical research can be mostly done by using cell cultures or computer models. Yes, some of it can be, but those models are overly simplistic, and before we endanger human life with a new drug or treatment modality, mammals, everything from rats and mice to dogs and cats to primates are used as human proxies to understand if something is safe and/or effective.

Sometimes I wonder if these groups would rather we just drop new drugs in human volunteers without animal testing, because maybe they think the value of human life is different (let’s put it out there, less than) animal life. Sure, I might be pushing this to some extreme, but that’s how I feel.

What’s this got to do with why California eggs are more expensive? Well, there’s a story.

Proposition 2 and California egg prices


In 2008, California voters were asked to vote on Proposition 2, Standards for Confining Farm Animals.  The proposition required that calves raised for veal, egg-laying hens and pregnant pigs be confined only in ways that allow these animals to lie down, stand up, fully extend their limbs and turn around freely.

The proposition made exceptions made for transportation, rodeos, fairs, 4-H programs, lawful slaughter, research and veterinary purposes (surprising exceptions actually). The law provided for
misdemeanor penalties for violations, including a fine not to exceed $1,000 and/or imprisonment in jail for up to 180 days.

California does not raise much veal or pigs, so really this law was focused on egg-laying hens. And therein lies the problem.

The Proposition 2 proponents basically made one basic argument – chickens under stress, caused by intense confinement, have compromised immune systems. This then leads to contamination by pathogens such as Salmonella.

The problem is that the evidence is rather weak, probably nonexistent. Typical of many political arguments, both sides tend to over-exaggerate claims that support one side or refutes the other. It’s rather difficult to find a scientific consensus, because there is none.

But generally, the Centers for Disease Control make a case that the poultry industry does a pretty good job in controlling egg pathogens (pdf). Egg processors constantly test for Salmonella contamination, which is the best way to prevent contamination.

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Furthermore, “free range” chickens are less controlled. They can encounter animals that harbor avian flu or other pathogens, transmitting it to the eggs. The chicken’s food sources are less controlled which can lower productivity and increase risks of disease. So, it’s complicated, very complicated.

The research is this area is generally a back and forth with biased claims, although there is just no evidence that chickens raised in the tight spaces that were used in California mattered all that much in pathogenic contamination. That didn’t stop the proponents for jumping on the precautionary principle, that is, we should stop it until we have guaranteed evidence that it’s safe. That’s why it’s a logical fallacy.

But the Proposition 2 proponents then moved on from weak science to pure pseudoscience and economic misinformation. Here’s some of their other claims:

  1. The measure ends the cruel and inhumane confinement of specified animals on factory farms, requiring their living spaces to be big enough for them to turn around, lie down, and fully extend their legs and/or wings.
  2. The initiative does not require that they be kept outside of cages or live outdoors.
  3. The supporters claimed that “family” farms will have an increased competitive edge over larger factory farms.
  4. Finally, the proponents of the proposition stated that the Big Agra maximizes their own profits by compromising on animal welfare and human health.

As for “cruel and inhuman,” it’s hard for me to accept that, since it’s based on a magical doctrine that there is some sort of morality involved with a food animal. Since I completely and utterly dismiss concepts like souls or other nonsense, a chicken and its eggs are food. There is not a chicken god that will come down from Mt. Poultry and zap me.

There is no morality when it comes to food. It’s ridiculous, as much as it to think that a lion should consider whether killing a gazelle is morality. Sure, one could make a case that growing animal protein contributes to the carbon footprint of the planet, but that’s not really an argument regarding “cruel and inhumane” confinement (which are human-centric concerns). A carbon footprint can be objectively measured, and then that could become the basis for an argument that it contributes to global climate change.

Maybe if you think that chickens are sentient, a characteristic that is difficult to pinpoint, you could make an argument against the conditions that the chickens encounter. But I would need a lot of evidence to convince me that a chicken is aware of itself, one of the components of sentience. I am troubled that I would have to accept someone’s definition of what is “moral” on something so nebulous as a chicken’s self image. It’s food, and eventually it will be killed as food.

Nevertheless, the proposition passed by an overwhelming margin, 63.4% to 36.6%. The only counties in the state that voted against the Proposition were in California’s agricultural counties in the Central Valley. And regulations based on the proposition were effective 1 January 2015.

But let’s move away from the philosophical argument that will be pointless because once one accepts the pseudoscience that chickens are sentient, it’s not possible to have a logical discussion.

About those egg prices


The proponents used that hackneyed canard that “Big Agra” is evil. Their claims were essentially that small farmers would be more competitive in the market. Well, what it really means is that the expensive eggs from small farmers would be priced competitively with the now expensive eggs from Big Agra. That doesn’t sound like a good thing.

The average wholesale price of large eggs in the USA is around $2.00 per dozen. The average wholesale price of large eggs in California is around $3.00 per dozen, or 50% higher than the rest of the country. The difference would be greater in a normal year, because an avian flu influenza epidemic in the midwest and southeast (about which I was surprised to learn) reduced flocks by more than 47 million during the winter of 2014-2015, causing large increases in prices there.

That epidemic bypassed California (thank you Rocky Mountains). In a normal year, where non-California chicken stocks remained high, the differences in prices of eggs would be larger.

Once again, part of the California price difference is drought which increases the cost of feed and water. But it’s not all of it.

California egg producers have had substantially increased costs because of the implementation of Proposition 2. I was thinking that maybe less costly eggs could be shipped in from Iowa or something – great idea, except the animal rights activists, and, ironically, California egg producers, got the state legislature to pass a bill, AB1437, that blocks eggs from anywhere else in the country that were not produced under the regulations of Proposition 2.

Furthermore, because of the new regulations, according to the Los Angeles Times, “California chickens produced about 311 million eggs in April (2015), down nine million from March and down 78 million from April 2014. The number of laying hens was about 13 million, down from 16.7 million at this time last year.” One does not have to be an Nobel Prize winner in economics to understand that if supply drops with constant demand, prices go up. A lot.

And here we are. A new law that substantially raises the prices of eggs based on no science, bad science, and pseudoscience.

Eggs are a great protein source for many people. They are relatively cheap (except in California). They are easy to cook. They are fairly easy to store. And this law has it’s greatest effect on those who most need the protein in eggs – the disadvantaged.

This frustrates me beyond anything. Bad science, pushed, in this case, by those progressives who think they’re doing good things, causes harm to those who can least afford the price increase. Again, based on weak or bad science at best, pseudoscience at worse.

It’s the same exact ignorance pushed by other (or similar) groups that wants to label GMO foods, which has only one real effect – raise food prices for those who cannot afford it.

I know, you environmental fascists are happy in your anti-GMO, unvaccinated, free range world in Beverly Hills. But most Californians don’t live in that fantasy world.

And this is more evidence that you care more for your white privileged junk, cargo cult science than you do for your fellow human beings.

Well, every week I buy a few things, including 3 or 4 dozen eggs, and drop them by the local food center for the poor (this is how I knew egg prices went up). I do it because I am white and privileged, but I have a responsibility to humanity because I got where I got because of so many other people.

Maybe you don’t care. Maybe you don’t realize that school districts across the state, that have to feed kids who aren’t white and privileged, need to pay more to feed them properly. Or that a working mother has to decide to switch to a lower quality protein to feed her kids. Maybe you’ll just claim that if they ate organic lentils instead, it would be better for their children.

California eggs are more expensive, so I guess I can blame the climate change deniers and animal rights advocates. Irony meter broken, again.

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10 Replies to “California eggs are more expensive – thank pseudoscience”

  1. Feeding the poor is crucial, and I agree that humans are higher on the moral food chain, so to speak. In a topically related issue, many arguments against switching our energy base from fossil fuels to renewables are focused on a disproportionate burden on the poor, as energy would be more expensive. This effect is proposed to be stifling to developing countries. Given the moral issue of altering Earth’s environment and subsequently damaging its ecosystems, should cheap but dirtier energy sources be prefered because of the poor?

    These questions are imbued with nuance, even ones regarding relatively direct measures of cost/benefit/morality, like your chicken and the egg example. Morality is not the same thing as religion, so accusing people who disagree of possessing a fake belief system is not productive to conveying your argument. How do we know what proportion of price increase is caused from the drought versus the new law on egg production? Is it possible that there might be benefits to having chickens be able to move around more while in containment, like more resilient production or better health? Is the cost of production going to decrease over time given the new rules as a result of higher upfront costs to adapt facilities?

    I agree with the core of your message, but we also need to make sure we think about the proximal effects (as you do well highlighting the suffering of the poor) with measured consideration to the ultimate effects, which might be yet to be realized. Morality of animal suffering is a real thing, which is not the same as worshipping them.

    1. One more thing. I care more about humans than you and your fucked up beliefs in the morality of food. I’m not sure if that makes me superior to you, but if I am to use your worthless pop-psychology term “pathological”, you qualify. Because I am morally superior, because I care about my fellow humans.

      Now go worship at your religion of animals. Cute really.

  2. The definition of sentience is, basically, the ability to feel, which would include the ability to suffer. It does not, as you state, include self-awareness.

  3. I agree with you on many points, e.g. GMO, vaccines, etc. But you say:
    “There is no morality when it comes to food. It’s ridiculous…” and you cite the lion example. This is also a logical fallacy, called “appeal to ridicule”. You don’t actually explain why there is no morality when it comes to food, so please do.

    For me there is a morality: I eat animals, so it is necessary for me that they are killed so I can eat them, however, causing them any suffering before they are killed for food is unnecessary. I don’t feel good eating something I know has suffered because of me.

    Animals and humans have a complicated relationship, and there is more to it than very simply dividing them into “food=object” and “pet=anthropomorphised companion”, for example.

    1. Appeal to ridicule is not a logical fallacy, as far as I know. But whatever. It was more of a strawman argument.

      Again, what forms your belief? Some nonsense magical thinking? Really, why do we care, when the lion doesn’t care?

      Moreover, if you’re going to invent some “morality” about animals, what’s the consequence if I violate it. I mean I eat hamburgers, and I know that their death to make my burger is not painless, it’s quite traumatic. And avoiding morality has to have some consequence, what would that be? Magic again.

      You all make these unscientific comments about animals and their suffering. But what’s it based on? It is exactly the same as religion.

      I am not a lesser human being because I eat eggs or beef or cute little lambs or fluffy bunny rabbits. They taste good. They give me protein. And there are no fluffy bunny gods that will punish me.

      I just don’t get the moralization and rationalization of this topic. Again, death is the ultimate suffering. You ought to be a vegan. Then I can laugh more.

      1. Ok, let’s clear up some misunderstandings.
        I am not religious, neither prone to magical thinking as much as I can avoid it. And you have my absolute respect for your blog, I have read a lot of your posts in agreement, and the more people are educated in the kind of scientific point of view you represent, the better. So there is no need for personal attack and not everyone who disagrees with you on a single point is a religious nut.

        Saying that animals suffer is not “unscientific”, it’s a fact. Yes, as you say correctly in your last sentence, they suffer when they die, so if you want to prevent that, you have to make sure no humans eat meat or use animals at all, which would obviously not work.

        However, they also suffer while they are raised and kept, which is the part we could, in theory, prevent or reduce. Feel free to point out the “magical tinking” and “unscientific” claims here.

        You are completely right on the price, though I have never been to California, I am sure there are a lot of people there too who cannot afford it (though probably less than in the country I come from). And I never disputed this part.

        I merely disagreed with you on the “no morality in food” argument. And I don’t think the lion is a great explanation/reasoning, as lions don’t have any kind of morality at all, so oh well, let’s do as lions do and kill our new wife’s previous children and keep six wives.
        This fallacy is called “appeal to nature” 😉

    2. One more thing regarding your fake morality? What about the poor who can’t afford these expensive, useless, no “pain and suffering” eggs. A fucking chicken weighs more in your pseudo-moral universe than human suffering. Good to know.

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